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FORKNI-L Digest - 21 Nov 2003 to 22 Nov 2003 (#2003-41)

Sat, 22 Nov 2003

There are 15 messages totalling 375 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Turnabout
  2. Nick's Piano (What does NICK have in his home?) (5)
  3. Send in the Clowns! (DVDs STILL Denied!)
  4. 1966 Freeze Frames (3)
  5. Major YKYBWTMFK...
  6. piano (2)
  7. piano (Sorry About Overquote...)
  8. piano2

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Date:    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:16:29 -0800
From:    Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y.......>
Subject: Turnabout

Hello fellow FK friends, and how is everyone?  I just saw Turnabout and my
father taped it for me and it was weird.  He so young and thin in this one, but
looked great.  Something new in that dream I had mentioned, we stood closer and my
hand was on his heart.  Stay safe.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight12281992@y.......


He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com


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Date:    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:23:55 -0500
From:    Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: Nick's Piano (What does NICK have in his home?)

Michele Canterbury said:

>I was thinking more in terms of what kind of piano the set designers of the
>TV show used.  I dont think they went out and purchased an antique piano,
>but I have been wrong before.

     There's no discernible name on Nick's piano where the "logo" (Steinway,
Bosendorfer, etc.) ought to be. You're right -- there's some sort of little
silver plate there, but you can't begin to see if anything's written on it. Most
of these I've seen are dedication plaques. ("Donated to the Poughkeepsie Ballet
Co. by Mildred Mudge, Patron of the Arts" and so on.)

Maybe FK's producers picked it up cheap at an estate or rummage sale. (!)

It's not an antique; from the look of it, it's no older than the 1950s. Grand
pianos, in fact, are a fairly recent modification to the instrument. IIRC, the
first ones didn't appear until early in the 20th century. In the 19th c., pianos
were short little spinnets (western saloon style) or huge "uprights" (my
parents still have the one I learned to play on -- it weighs a ton!) -- or, if
you were wealthy enough to afford one for your parlor, you could buy a big
cabinet-like affair that looked a lot like a boxcar with fancy wood carving all
over it.

Nick probably first learned to play on a harpsichord. Those *did* look a bit
like grand pianos (same general shape), but were much smaller. You didn't have
all the length grand pianos need to produce that deep, resonating sound, because
harpsichord strings were "plucked" rather than struck by a hammer mechanism,
and didn't need the space. I believe harpsichords also didn't "sustain" or
"damper" the sound, which a piano does when you use the various pedals.

If there are any music history majors/buffs on list, let me know if I
remembered all that correctly. (!)

I'd love to have had a flashback with Nick playing the harpsichord!

--Jean G.
   FOREVER KNIGHT Fiction Archive:  http://members.aol.com/JeanB7

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Date:    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:52:50 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Piano (What does NICK have in his home?)

I only questioned Jean's fantastic post because I'd recently rewatched "Sense
and Sensibility" with its frequent mention of the "pianoforte" and Col.
Brandon's "Broadwood Grand".  I wondered if they'd fudged the sound for the film
and modern ears, so I did a little research on the age of pianos and grand pianos
and when harpsichords began to go "out" and found these great sites

http://www.uk-piano.org/history/history.html
http://www.uk-piano.org/history/d_grover.html

I think Jean's right that Nick most likely would have learned on a harpsichord,
which is indeed a plucked-string instrument.  The clavichord, which was an
earlier keyboard instrument from 1400, turns out to have had struck strings as
well--struck from below.  The pianoforte, the precursor to modern pianos, came
about in the early 1700s (much earlier than I'd thought), and John Broadwood
advanced the development of the instrument a great deal over the course of the
1700s.  By the late 1700s/early 1800s, owning a pianoforte was an important
aspect of respectability in good society.

Very interesting.

Amy

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Date:    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:59:10 -0600
From:    Lyn Palmer <wizkid2u@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Piano (What does NICK have in his home?)

  I love this list because you learn the most amazing thing that have
nothing to do with television, and everything to do with interesting
people!
  LYN

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Date:    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:16:00 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Piano (What does NICK have in his home?)

> http://www.uk-piano.org/history/d_grover.html
So it seems, from this website, that the first "grand" pianos were made
in 1777. But they had fewer octaves than the modern ones, and a slightly
different action. Verry interesting.

For those interested in other piano sightings, you can see a studio
upright in Jody's house in Blind Faith, and there's a glimpse of a very
similar studio upright in Vachon's place in, I think, Fever.

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:19:13 EST
From:    Lisa Knust <LthePoet@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Piano (What does NICK have in his home?)

Hi!
       And, of course, one of the important differences between a harpsichord
and pianoforte (and later pianos) is the ability of the piano to play both
soft (piano) and loud (forte) tones.  Striking the strings with a hammer
allowed this dynamic range, whereas one can only really pluck strings on a
harpsichord at one volume.  So, (to make this FK relevant) although Nick may
have learned on a harpsichord, it probably wasn't until the pianoforte came along
that he had an instrument that could more accurately reflect the range and depth
of his emotions in musical dynamics.

Lisa Knust  (who possibly needs just a bit more sleep)
LthePoet@a.......
"For the Blood is the Life..."

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:38:26 -0500
From:    Phoenix <phoenix@s.......>
Subject: Send in the Clowns! (DVDs STILL Denied!)

At this point, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  I /do/ know I
won't ever be using Barnes and Noble again for my online bookstore
purchases.

When last you folks heard, all as well and they'd promised they'd send me
the DVDs at the original price (but with free shipping!)

Three guesses which amount they charged (the first two don't count).

So I yelled at them in email.  I get this very nice reply about how no, I
was only charged the $24.99 price, and to check with my bank.

Funny how $71.95 doesn't much look like $24.99 on my bank statement.

However, I don't see a $24.99 on it.  And I got an 'item shipped' note
from B&N.  Does this mean they charged me $24.99 /and/ $71.95?  Who knows.
At this point, I think I should get the stupid thing free.  I'm not even
too keen on watching it after hearing some of the reviews here, but at
this point, it's the principle of the matter.

And to put things in perspective, when I'd ordered the 5th Harry Potter
book from Amazon.uk, and it'd arrived a bit battered, they not only said I
could keep the original book, but sent me a new one gratis.  None of this
'we need to charge your CC five million times' sort of stuff.  From the
stinking UK!  The shipping was almost more than I'd paid for the book due
to the discount, and they still sent it.

So I know which of the two companies I'll be patronizing in the future.

Blah, sayeth the Elder List Stateskitty.

--

Jean Prior
aka Jayekitty
or Phoenix

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:04:49 -0500
From:    Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: 1966 Freeze Frames

Nick's 1966 passport says his name is Nicolas Thomas (No "H" in Nicolas); that
he was born 09/05/35 (making him 31 in 1966); and that the passport was issued
10/04/64 and would expire 10/04/68. (Weren't US passports usually good for 10
years? Well, at least they are now.)

The sign on the side of the Archive building reads:
  IN FESTER KAMPFGEMEINSCHAFT MIT DER SOWJET
...and you can't see the very end of it, so I'm guessing here. But my German is
realllllly rusty. Maybe some of our German list members can translate. "In
solid battle/teamwork with the Soviets"??? Am I even close?

At the very end of this episode, Nick sits down in front of his piano while
listening to Lily's message. The weird little silver plaque appears to be gone and
you can see the blurred outline of the piano's name brand. But you can't read
it. (Drat.) From the general shape, tho (lettering with something roundish
centered on top of it), I'm guessing Steinway. They once used the graphic of a
lyre/harp over the name STEINWAY & SONS. But then, I think Kawai also put its
name on its grand pianos with a little rising sun over top, so it could also be
that.

Ah well. Either way, Nick has excellent taste in grand pianos!

--Jean G.
   FK Fiction Archive: http://members.aol.com/JeanB7

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:46:23 -0800
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@c.......>
Subject: Major YKYBWTMFK...

I just got some new Genealogy software and was doing a search for my 8th
great grandfather Dietrich Koger. I got a hit on a woman's home page that
also lists some Brabants in the 13th century as also being some of her
ancestors!

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/a/k/Lynn-D-Baker/BOOK-0001/0003
-0010.html

Seeing if the Brabants are in the same direct line as my ancestor will take
some time, but it should be fun. ;)

--
Cloud

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:02:14 EST
From:    Shenandora DeWynst <Shenandora@a.......>
Subject: Re: 1966 Freeze Frames

> The sign on the side of the Archive building reads:
>  IN FESTER KAMPFGEMEINSCHAFT MIT DER SOWJET
> ...and you can't see the very end of it, so I'm guessing here. But my German
> is realllllly rusty. Maybe some of our German list members can translate.
> "In solid battle/teamwork with the Soviets"??? Am I even close?

You are very close.
First the complete sign is "IN FESTER KAMPFGEMEINSCHAFT MIT DER SWWJETUNION"
...and means " In solid battle community with the Soviet Union" That's the
way German people called it during that time.

> ...But you can't read it. (Drat.) From the general shape, tho (lettering
> with something roundish centered on top of it), I'm guessing Steinway. They
> once used the graphic of a lyre/harp over the name STEINWAY &SONS. But then, I
> think Kawai also put its name on its grand pianos with a little rising sun
> over top, so it could also be that.

My family has an old piano from the 19th century and it is from STEINWEG &
SOEHNE. It's German and means STEINWAY & SONS. You could be right. It also has
a harp over the name.

Heike
*Shenandora@a.......*
*shenandoradewynst.com*
"Don't do anything I wouldn't do!" - Uncle

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 04:43:41 -0800
From:    Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y.......>
Subject: piano

RUMOR HAS IT:  Geraint requested a Steinway because that's what he used for his
music.  He would not play on anything less.   I don't know if the rumor is true
but it was said at time, and it would also fit in with the 19th century
time-period.  Stay safe friends.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight12281992@y.......


He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:24:43 EST
From:    Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano

In a message dated 11/22/2003 4:44:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
fknight12281992@y....... writes:
Geraint requested a Steinway because that's what he used for his music.  He
would not play on anything less
It is the ONLY and very best paino to play, after all <VBG>

Elton John generally plays a Steinway
Liberace would only play a Baldwin (and I do mean only, period, the end <g>)

I have a Baldwin because I cannot affor a Steinway.  GWD/Nick has
tremendously good taste :o)

Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee
Billie-Lee/Suzi
RN, Ph.D., et al :)
"Oh Master Grant that I may never seek, to be consoled so much as to console"
(Saint Francis)

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:30:07 EST
From:    Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano (Sorry About Overquote...)

In a message dated 11/22/2003 5:25:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
McCelt2003@a....... writes:
I have a Baldwin because I cannot affor a Steinway.  GWD/Nick has
tremendously good taste :o)
GOSH, I don't know what happened, my apologies.  I somehow managed to stick
the whole previous post in my last quote!!

Big oops, not intentional, just got up, no enough caffeine, very sorry!! ;O)

Have a great day, all........

Hugs,
Billie-Lee

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:37:43 -0800
From:    Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y.......>
Subject: piano2

Well, Mr.Wyn Davies was brought up in Wales and spent time in France.  He was
surrounded by the best things, and with his talen t on the keys, he should only
play on the best.  A Steinway has the 19th century look upon it so it fits the
loft.  Stay safe friends.  Happy Turkey.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight12281992@y.......


He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com

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Date:    Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:39:19 -0600
From:    CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: 1966 Freeze Frames

At 05:04 AM 11/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> that the passport was issued 10/04/64 and would expire 10/04/68. (Weren't
> US passports usually good for 10 years? Well, at least they are now.)
>
No, back then they were not valid for 10 yrs.  I received my first passport
in 1969 and when I went back overseas in 1974 I had to get a new one as
the old one had expired.   So this time we can save the cheese, FK got it
right <G>

Marci C
cstar@a.......

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