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FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Jul 2002 to 10 Jul 2002 (#2002-203)

Wed, 10 Jul 2002

There are 9 messages totalling 352 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Ben in Monk
  2. FK movie (3)
  3. trunk
  4. Search Engines
  5. Today's Birthday:  July 10
  6. YKYBOWFKW... (2)


Date:    Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:53:49 -0400
From:    jmtof@j.......
Subject: Ben in Monk

> Just a reminder that Ben is in the "Monk" pilot on USA Television at 9PM
> this Friday the 12th.  It will repeat at 11PM and on Saturday the 13th at
> 7PM EST.  Please check listings in your area for times.

Any word on what his role is or whether it will be recurring?

Laurie of the Isles

He's just in the pilot ep that will air this Friday - the show will run
for 11 weeks with one hour eps every Friday night on USA.



Date:    Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:10:33 -0700
From:    Steve Hood <nexus_dragon@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK movie

--- Teresa <tfloyd@n.......> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Megan Hull
> "I've always wondered: when we talk about pitching for
> an FK movie, just what exactly are we looking for? "
> <edit>
> I'd guess that unless we're actually in the position
> of pitching a story
> it might be better to be a bit general--we don't
> want them to think that
> doing the 'wrong' story would mean that half the
> fans of the 'cult
> classic reunited' are going to be upset and
> disappointed.
> LapLor

There's a double-edged sword to pitching a movie
script verses petitioning to have one made. Generally,
most scriptwriters approach producers/executives with
a pitch on original material opposed to copywrited
material (FK falls into the copywrited material).
We're talking about the film/television industry - not
the publishing industry. Publishing is an entirely
different animal.

Regarding FK - since Sony Television Entertainment
(aka Sony-TriStar) still makes a lot of money on
Forever Knight in reruns and foreign markets, the
predisposition is going to lean toward making as much
money they can off it opposed to investing more money
into making a movie. Let's say that Stephen Chao is
interested in making a two hour FK movie. He needs to
come up with a valid reason to get Sony to finance the
project when in their eyes, the amount of money a two
hour FK movie might make will probably not cover the
amount put in to make the film. If you factor that an
episode costs anywhere between $800,000 to $2 million,
depending on your budget, that means a two hour
television movie is going to run at the low end, about
$1.6 mil up to $4-5 million on the higher end (we're
talking about television - not film).

Don't let the numbers scare you - I'm talking about it
as a producer does and what makes or breaks a film or
television series getting out of
development/pre-production into production. There are
a few ways to get around this, and it goes back to
what the original question was in this chain. The
pitch - if you can pitch a story right, a producer can
take that pitch and turn it into a sales pitch to the
investors (ah, those people that actually finance the
films and television shows).

Now about the double-edge. If you're a scriptwriter
and you're going to attempt to pitch an FK movie,
chances are 'if' you can get Sony-TriStar to agree to
let you develop the story (meaning permissions),
you're going to have to release any kind of rights to
it. You can retain the rights to the story itself, but
if you're going to do something with it you have to
remove any kind of reference to Forever Knight. That's
the trade off in film and television for this sort of


Date:    Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:55:40 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK movie

I missed the beginning of this thread so I don't know
what the original question was exactly. I guess someone
was asking if it was a good idea to write a FK script and
pitch it for a movie. I once thought about that too, I
actually wanted to ask about it on the list but then,
after seeing what is considered preferred show on TV in
the past year, I reconsidered.  Mean, in the midst of all
the reality shows and nude female body displays, what are
the chances that a movie, based on a low budget, early
90's Canadian syndicated show will catch any attention,
no matter how well made it is? Besides, I would also like
to know "what" exactly the story would be, a retelling of
the original, a continuation of where the original left
off, or an entirely stand alone story within the


LaCountess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!"
--Homer Simpson


Date:    Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:18 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FK movie

I've never had anything make it into production (yet - I'm helping someone
develope a video movie), but I do know a little (and I do mean A LITTLE)
about scripts.

First off, not just anyone can walk in and pitch a movie. Won't work. You
have to have major connections, already be in the business, and have an agent
most of the time.

As someone else pointed out, you sometimes don't get to write the script. You
pitch the idea and the idea itself is pitched. Then even if you do the
script, your script WILL be changed. You may not like the changes but you
have no choice. I remember talking once to a man who lost a major
money-making deal with a studio as he refused to change a word. It does NOT
work that way. It isn't like fan fiction ;-) LOL! (One reason I love writing
fan fiction is I only have to please myself, not my publisher or an editor -

Of course there's also the money concerns another poster mentioned. The
studio has to *know* they are going to make a bundle of money.

Then you have to see which actors will sign. Some of the FK actors probably
will, others will probably refuse due to other commitments, concerns, or they
are in retirement. Some may want script approval. Others may want too much

Then there's studio/movie politics. *shudder* The thought of it is worse than

When FK is revived in some form, it will be at the "already professional"
level - in other words, almost certainly by people already in "the Biz."



Date:    Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:33:38 -0500
From:    DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: trunk

Bumper sticker found:

Caution Vampire in trunk!

Did nick get caught in the sunlight again,
Or is it nick's turn to be "trunk boy" at the drive in movies?


Date:    Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:25:28 -0700
From:    Janice Cox <jancox46@a.......>
Subject: Search Engines

Those trying to get their Forever Knight related web site listed with Google
and many of the other major search engines might try submitting to the Open
Directory Project. ODP is the largest human-edited engine out there, and you
stand a much better chance of getting your site looked at by an editor
within a day or two than with a behemoth like Yahoo.

Info on ODP can be found at: http://dmoz.org/about.html

Submissions should be made to the appropriate category within the ODP
"Forever Knight" category. You'll find it at:


If your site has moved in the past year or so you might want to make sure
that ODP has the new URL--there's no forwarding address cards for the

May the 'net be with you!


There's something very weird going on here...

Fan Fiction and Internet Humor at:


Date:    Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:39:56 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday:  July 10

Hi Y'all!

Today is the birthday of:  Anne Gudnason        anne.gudnason@s.......

You can send birthday greetings to Anne at the above e-mail address.
Please NOT to the list!

People who share this birthday include:
Saul Bellow, Novelist
David Brinkley, Newscaster, Journalist
Arlo Guthrie, Folk Singer, Songwriter
Fred Gwynne, TV/Movie/Stage Actor, Children's Author, Illustrator
Ima Hogg, Scientist, Philanthropist, art collector; founded the Houston
Symphony (and YES, that's her real name)
Joseph "Joe" Schuster,  Cartoonist, co-creator with Jerry Siegel of
James Whistler, Painter, Etcher

Significant events on this date:
1040, Lady Godiva rode horseback through a Coventry while naked, as part
of a bargain with her husband to lower taxes in Coventry.
1890, Wyoming was admitted to the Union as the 44th state, the first
state with female suffrage.
1958, first parking meter installed in England.
1962,  "Telstar 1", the first geosynchronous communications satellite,
was launched from Cape Canaveral, Fla. It allowed voice and video to be
beamed between the U.S. and Europe.

I hope you have a VERY Happy Birthday, Anne!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed), and e-mail address to me PRIVATELY
at eowyn3@j....... and I'll be glad to add you.

eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List


Date:    Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:37:21 -0700
From:    Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: YKYBOWFKW...

You Know You've Become Obssessed With Forever Knight When...

-You see a dead mouse on the sidwalk and think "Someone should
teach the carouche around here to clean up after themselves"
- You're making a list of things it's okay to be obssessed with
and it reads: 1) Forever Knight
2) Forever Knight vampires
3) Vampires in general?


Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly


Date:    Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:45:54 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...

LOL!  I could've used a carouche in my garage last month.  Had baby mice.  I'm
sure Screed would've found them to be a tasty snack.  :D
--- Viv <viv11374@y.......> wrote:
> You Know You've Become Obssessed With Forever Knight When...
> -You see a dead mouse on the sidwalk and think "Someone should
> teach the carouche around here to clean up after themselves"

Emily M. Hanson
Homepage - http://www.starbase-eprime.us
My Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.us


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