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FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Jan 2002 to 25 Jan 2002 (#2002-26)

Fri, 25 Jan 2002

There are 17 messages totalling 565 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. GWD/My Fair Lady picture (5)
  2. mild astonisment , among other things
  3. YKYBWTMFKW.....
  4. Ben Bass on CBC
  5. My fair Nick (was Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture)
  6. The appeal of the Screedster (3)
  7. challange? (2)
  8. A long overdue post
  9. Evil Colours   was  Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture
 10. New Videos

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:52:22 +0800
From:    Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture

Hi all,

Delurking briefly to provide my $0.02 regarding GerNick.

I always thought that Nick's blonde, blue-eyed look was to show the
deceptiveness of the vampire and was definitely a crucial element in Nick's
appeal. Here is someone who is beauty and light outwardly but tormented and
dark within. Fit in with the whole "fallen angel trying to return to grace"
theme.

The Caddy colour, well...that's still open to debate.

Going back to lurk mode.

Ell


>From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture
>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:12:56 -0800
>
>--- Quinn <quinn@g.......> wrote:
> > As promised, the Stratford Festival has uploaded the
> > picture of Ger
> > as Henry Higgins! You can see the picture at
> >
>http://www.stratfordfestival.ca/imagegallery/images/LadyG%26C.jpg
>
>
>Is this a recent picture?
>
>If so, I have to say that Ger is looking much
>fitter/leaner than he has recently.  :-)  I like the
>darker hair.
>
>If it's not recent, any idea of when it was taken?
>
>Hm.... here's the question of the day:  would the
>character of Nick have played as well if Ger had
>played him with the darker hair?   Or, was the blonde
>hair and blue eyes necessary to the persona to evoke
>the appropriate emotional response to our fair knight,
>and indicate that deep down, he was truly "good?"
>
>I'm thinking back to RickNick, and while I adore Rick,
>the "dark" vampire is such a cliche.  Black, red....
>we all know the visual clues.
>
>And lets not leave out the Caddy.... RickNick's caddy
>was black, while GerNick's was that lovely
>blue/green/turquoise/seafoam/pick a color in that
>spectrum. :-)  Was the Caddy color a calculated choice
>as well?  Did it indicate a lightness of spirit that
>even Nick was unaware of?
>
>I'm sure we've covered this topic somewhere in the
>past, but for the life of me, I'm drawing a blank.
>
>
>Carla
>copper6500@y.......
>

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:28:28 -0800
From:    chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y.......>
Subject: mild astonisment , among other things

Goonnessgracious!  I neglect my email for a few days
and what happens?  stampede!  one thing i wanted to
say: in Macie's defence, I can see where she's coming
from.  for my part however, I feel as if my fellow
listies are friends, and so i don't mind being asked
to help in situations such as the one in question.  i
like to be able to help if i can.  having just said
that, regarding the bit about Screed, all I can say
is: WHAT WERE ANY OF YOU THINKING??  naughty!
naughty!  i'd slap you all up good if i had the
chance! <jk>

And I have some exciting news!! A couple of weeks
back, I put in application papers to serve a mission
for the LDS church, and I heard back today! I will be
serving in Canada--in the Manitoba vicinity.  yaay!!
not near toronto, but oh well.  I hope to eat some
Vachon snack cakes. *snicker*  that always makes me
smile.

my cat is sitting on my lap. :)

chris ;?

=====
I'm not a fatalist, but even if I were, what could I do about it?
    ~Emo Phillips

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:14:19 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture

> Elliza Rahim wrote:

> I always thought that Nick's blonde, blue-eyed look was to show the
> deceptiveness of the vampire and was definitely a crucial
> element in Nick's appeal.

It also made him immediately intriguing, because up to that point I don't
believe there were many, if any at all, blond vampires in film. Central Casting
said they were dark and sinister, not fair and boyish. I remember my initial
reaction was, "A blond vampire? Get outtahere!"

> Here is someone who is beauty and light outwardly but
> tormented and dark within. Fit in with the whole "fallen angel trying to
> return to grace" theme.

Absolutely. And of course, for Nick, it makes hiding in plain sight all that
much easier. Sure, he never goes out in the day, and you never see him eat, but
c'mon, a blond vampire? Nah....

> The Caddy colour, well...that's still open to debate.

I can just see the props person..."Hey, I need a Cadillac. A black Caddy, real
old. What's available?"

"They're all in use except this one--" Assistant shows picture of The Caddy.

"You've got to be kidding!"

"It's the only one out there for the next two weeks. It runs okay."

"But we need it in two DAYS!"

"This is it, then."

(sigh) "Well, I suppose if we can have a blond vampire we can have a teal
Caddy."

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:57:45 -0500
From:    marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW.....

You Know You've Been Watching Too Much FK When... you read the following
little tidbit in the Bonehead of the Day mailing list:

Bonehead award three goes to all those people who made it
necessary for the folks who make the Berol Red Eye Reduction Pen,
used for retouching photo prints to diminish red eyes from the
camera's flash, to put the following warning on their package,
"Only suitable for use on prints, never directly on the living
eye."

New Scientist

...and the first thought that comes to mind is,
A) who would be stupid enough to try "getting the Red Out" on a vampire, and
B) how did s/he survive to complain about it? <g>



--
Marg  <mytoronto@r.......>
in Toronto, the City of the Knight

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:35:02 -0500
From:    jmtof@j.......
Subject: Ben Bass on CBC

"Tom Stone" will be airing on CBC television in Canada on 2/25/02:

20:00Tom Stone
(*New) For the Money (Part 1) A suspicious accident puts a young oil rig
worker in the hospital. Marina pulls Tom out of jail, and places him
undercover at the oil rig to find out what happened. As he and Marina
close in on an elaborate oil investment scam, another accident sends
their investigation in a new direction. Starring Chris William Martin as
Tom Stone, Janet Kidder as Marina Di Luzio, Stuart Margolin as Jack
Welsh, Terence Kelly as Sweater Man, Nola Augustson as Dee Bullock,
Carmen Moore as Sherry, Timothy Webber as Davidson, Greg Lawson as Claude
and Reg tupper as Carruthers.

21:00Tom Stone
For the Money (Part 2) A crooked investor has been falsifying log
reports, drumming up interest and money for his oil operation. To get
closer to the scam, Tom poses as a wealthy horse-buyer and investor while
Marina struggles to control her new operative. Starring Chris William
Martin, Janet Kidder and Stuart Margolin.


Ben plays Janet Kidder's love interest - his character is a reporter
working for the Globe and Mail.

Jean
Pres, BBFC

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:16:46 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: My fair Nick (was Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture)

--- Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......> wrote:

>>would the character of Nick have played as well if Ger had
played him with the darker hair? Or, was the blonde hair
and blue eyes necessary to the persona to evoke the
appropriate emotional response to our fair knight, and
indicate that deep down, he was truly "good?"<<

I remember having a discussion with my mom once about FK.
My dad's already a fan and I was trying to see if I could
get my mom interested too. What she said was that it was
hard for her to picture a blonde vampire. She said that it
somehow didn't fit with her mental image of the
bloodsuckers. I thought about her remark a lot, and
realized, the exact thing that distressed her about the
main character in the show was the same thing that
attracted me to him (and to the whole show). It was
breaking out of tradition and enhancing the image of
vampires as a part of society, albeit hidden. To think that
they lived and worked among us and looked just like us was
really an interesting aspect. It was way cooler than
Dracula with his cape and slick hair and all the goofy
poses, subtler, and even more chilling.

As for the cast of the pilot (Rick Springfield and co.) I
must admit, I personally didn't like them that much.
Especially LaCroix who seemed like a character out of
Highlander and Janette, who looked like a WWF chick. As for
Rick himself, I can’t really say. Nick for me is and will
always bee ‘the golden vampire’.


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:35:04 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: The appeal of the Screedster

Libs will be very pleased, I know:  I happend to mention
FK in a thread on list in another fandom, and someone
responded that they had seen a few eps and liked it, and
in their sig wrote:

"(who only saw a couple of FK eps episode, and is a little troubled by how
much I liked the little rat-eating guy who lived with Vachon....)"

Screed made a conquest even among non-FKers!

<g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:37:37 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: The appeal of the Screedster

In a message dated Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:32:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......> writes:


> "(who only saw a couple of FK eps episode, and is a little troubled by how
> much I liked the little rat-eating guy who lived with Vachon....)">>

hehehe. Of course I'm pleased! You ought send the droog ta:

http://www.screedwashere.com

so 'e kin discover h'all tha' is Screed (an' Greg Kramer)

--Libs

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:41:38 -0800
From:    Teresa <tastevenson@e.......>
Subject: Re: challange?

I don't know if it's a rule or just custom, but the person issuing the challenge
writes the first response too.

--
Teresa
"It's good to know what the other side is up to." - Nick Knight
Of course, I watch BTVS.

Rose Thatcher wrote:

> Tim said:
> >         There is nothing in the rules that get posted every week.
> >         I believe that the rules are equivalent to challenging a Kzinti to
> >a death-match:  You Scream, You Leap.
>
> Oooookay.  I guess I have to ask now.  What's a Kzinti?  And how do you
> pronounce it anyways? :) (oh, and thanks!)
>                          'Rose
>
> Rome was not built by holding committe meetings.  It was done by killing all
> those who opposed them.
>
>

--
Teresa
"It's good to know what the other side is up to." - Nick Knight
Of course, I watch BTVS.

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:30:11 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: challange?

> Oooookay.  I guess I have to ask now.  What's a Kzinti?
        Think in terms of an 8' tall sentient tiger that considers humans
to be a "meat animal".
        Kziniti are absolutely ferocious warriors who have a tendency to
react emotionally to insults.  Thus: "You Scream, You Leap" is the
advice one Kzinit gives a human friend on how to challenge another
Kzinti to a death-duel.
        They are common characters in some of Larry Niven's Known
Space books.  Not really related to vampires, just was what went
through my head at the time.
        If anyone wants to know more, please contact me off-list, I'd be
pleased to suggest titles of books to anyone interested.
>  And how do you
> pronounce it anyways? :)
        Heck, I can't speak phonetically and now you want me to write
it?  K-zint-T?
                Tim "Returning to Our Normal All Forever Knight All Night
programming"



 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:38:58 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: A long overdue post

You are completely correct, and the reason this list is so great is because we
have clear and sensible rules, and McL and the List Gardener aren't afraid to
make sure we stick to 'em.  They both are also refreshingly level-headed, and
the both have a tolerant and genial sense of humor.  I never can say enough
about how much respect I have for those two, and since I'm not the only one who
feels that way, this list works.  I expanded from FK to other fandoms, but I've
never seen a better standard kept than the one we have here.  Bravo!

Portia

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
You've just demonstrated why you are all so special.  You handled this
situation in a way I doubt many groups could have.  I think somewhere else, it
could have become a blood bath, with nothing left but ashes.  But this community
simply grows closer and stronger.
monica

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:57:09 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture

For myself, I always figured Janette and LaCroix picked this fair-haired fellow
because they had a secret hankering for the day and blue skies.  Yeah, that
might be kind of treacly, but it's always been my take on it.  And when Nick
gives that 1000 watt grin, it sure does seem like the sun is shining!

Portia

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
I always thought that Nick's blonde, blue-eyed look was to show the
deceptiveness of the vampire and was definitely a crucial element in Nick's
appeal. <snip> Fit in with the whole "fallen angel trying to return to grace"
theme.

Ell

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:44:56 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture

I'm being prosaic in answering the Caddy question, but I actually like your
reasoning for a "fairer" Nick and lighter Caddy. "g"  From what I heard, the
lighter Caddy was chosen because it showed up better in night filming -- or
something along those lines.

As for a blonde, blue-eyed Nick -- well the dichotomy of that "sunshine" colored
vampire with the baby-face made for some delicious paradox and, of course, fic
elements!

Portia

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
Was the Caddy color a calculated choice
as well?  Did it indicate a lightness of spirit that
even Nick was unaware of?
Carla

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:34:29 -0600
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: The appeal of the Screedster

Laurie wrote:

>Screed made a conquest even among non-FKers!

Yes, my mum quite likes him too, actually--the first FK episode she saw was
"Black Buddha", and she mentioned how much she liked "the little English
one". She started watching with me after that, and was quite distressed when
Screed perished in "Fever". (Of course, she gets a bit mixed up about the
show from time to time, which led to some interesting moments when she came
home from seeing Geordie Johnson in "Syncopation" and wanted to know where
she knew him from. "Wasn't he a talk show host once?")

Eve.

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:50 -0800
From:    Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture

--- Portia Eins <portia1@m.......> wrote:
> From what I heard, the
> lighter Caddy was chosen because it showed up better
> in night filming -- or something along those lines.

Those were my thougts exactly.  Filming a black car at
night... well, the lighting has a bad tendency to
glare off the paint, detail is lost...

I just hadn't had a chance to post it yet.  You beat
me to the punch! :-)

Of course, there's still the issue of the evil pink
shirt, and who the **** thought that was a good
idea????


-Carla

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:40:24 -0500
From:    marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: Evil Colours   was  Re: GWD/My Fair Lady picture

Carla Martinek wrote:

> Of course, there's still the issue of the evil pink
> shirt, and who the **** thought that was a good
> idea????


I saw the Evil Pink Shirt when it was auctioned off at Gerthering 4 and
in reality it was a lovely dusty rose colour. Still not exactly Nick's
colour, but a whole lot better than the garish fluorescent pink that the
video post-production people made it out to be. <g>



--
Marg  <mytoronto@r.......>
In Toronto, the City of the Knight

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:11:19 -0800
From:    phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Re: New Videos

 A little late, but my mom just got cable internet...so I got a chance to check
out Eve's videos.  The only one I could get to download was "Out of bounds".
Whew... hope I get to ck out the others sometime.  That was wonderful.  Phylis
  ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eve Dutton"
> I managed to put some teeny tiny (1.5 MB) versions of some of my new music
> vids on my website if anyone wants to take a peek:
> https://www.angelfire.com/mb/malecandra/fkvideos.html
> Enjoy!
> Eve.
>

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