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FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Jan 2002 to 5 Jan 2002 (#2002-5)

Sat, 5 Jan 2002

There are 6 messages totalling 208 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. the Raven Awards need YOU!
  2. Vampire reproduction (2)
  3. locations of headquarters and places (2)
  4. Today's Birthday:  January 5


Date:    Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:08:05 +1300
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: the Raven Awards need YOU!

Hi everyone!

just another note about the Raven Awards. It is open until the 1st of Feb
and there is still plenty of opportunity to win a T-shirt.<eg> shameless
begging for more fic! Especially in the new writers, adult writers and new
adult writers categories.

All the stories entered this year and in previous years is available as it
is entered on the Raven Awards website!

Novus Adultus is for first time writers of adult fiction regardless of
whether you have written main stream fic before or not!

We also have a category for first time writers!(Novus) So give writing a go
and keep FK alive! You don't have to be a professional writer, just
passionate about FK!

A safe and prosperous 2002 to you all,



Date:    Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:45:06 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire reproduction

Aren't vampire cells a special kind of 'dead' that is
called 'undead' or something? Wouldn't that mean they'll be
unable to reproduce life?

I'm rather confused about this dead-undead thing. I think
it's all Natalie's fault with her discovery of the vampire
virus that put the whole vampire universe out of balance.

Sunny--slowly emerging from her cave and delurking

Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn


Date:    Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:28:16 -0500
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: locations of headquarters and places

At 01:29 AM 1/4/02 -0600, Tok wrote:
>Obviously, the Cousins are<snip>at CERK.  Where this is actually supposed
>to be located, I have *no* idea.  How many episodes were there where the
>place was visited?  Close Call, <snip>Curiouser and Curiouser,   Father's
>Day?  I don't recall an address every being given.

Nick follows LC there in Dark Knight I or II.  Are there any clues in
that ep as to it's location?



Date:    Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:47:49 -0600
From:    CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: locations of headquarters and places

At 01:29 AM 1/4/2002 -0600, Cousin Tok wrote:
>Obviously, the Cousins are headquartered at CERK.  Where this is actually
>supposed to be located, I have *no* idea.  How many episodes were there
>where the place was visited?  Close Call, when Schanke visited
>Lacroix.  And Curiouser and Curiouser, of course.  Father's Day?

Nick also went there in Baby Baby, if I recall.


Date:    Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:09:04 -0600
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday:  January 5

Hi Y'all:

Having a birthday today is:
StephiLyn                               SFryar@a.......

Please send birthday greetings to StephiLyn at the address above, NOT to
the list!

Some other folks who share StephiLyn's birthday are:
Diane Keaton
Juan Carlos I, King of Spain
Robert Duvall
Walter Mondale
George Reeves

Events of interest that happened on this day:
1836, Davy Crockett arrives in Texas, just in time for the Alamo.
1889, The hamburger first appears on a restaurant menu in Walla Walla,
1933, work on San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge began on the Marin
County side

I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, StephiLyn!

If you would like to be added to the birthday list please send your name,
birthdate (no year needed) and e-mail address to me, eowyn3@j....... and
I'll be glad to add you.

eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List
She can be taught!  But only in little bytes!


Date:    Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:36:18 -0800
From:    "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire reproduction

From: Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
<<Is there any canon response to this? . . . When people are brought
across, do their eggs/sperm die?  What I want to know is, can vampires
reproduce by artificial insemination or surrogate motherhood?>>

      The best canon resources are second-season's "Baby, Baby" and, to a
lesser extent, first-season's "Last Act."  I believe they're the only
episodes to explicitly address mortal-style reproduction by vampires, so
comparing fanfic ideas to them would reveal what fits.  There are

      In "Last Act" flashbacks (1690s), Erica muses sadly on vampiric
inability to have children; she does not differentiate between males and
females, but includes Nick in her "we" and "us" lament, implying no sexual

      In "Baby, Baby," Serena's wild attempt to conceive by meeting certain
mystical and scientific requirements fails, but canon does not specify
_why_ it fails.  Did she fail to meet the requirements correctly, or is the
legend simply false and her goal impossible?  There are great fanfic
possibilities in reinterpreting the legendary rhyme fragment Lacroix
relates in "Baby, Baby," making it meet the needs of one's fanfic idea.

      In the aftermath of third-season's "The Human Factor," one
interpretation held that Janette had achieved humanity not as she thought,
but rather by unwittingly following Serena's formula and conceiving, and
that the baby miscarried when she returned to vampirism.

      Oddly, in a reverse of canon's explorations, many FK fanfic stories
allow vampire males to impregnate human females, but few FK fanfic stories
impregnate vampire females by any means.  I understand that eggs are finite
from birth, while sperm replenishes throughout life; for an FK vampire,
this might mean that a vampire woman's eggs, formed in her humanity, remain
dormant and unchanged if extracted from her vampiric body, while a vampire
man's sperm would be useless or used up, as a vampire body would have no
need to replenish it.  Contrarily, the finite supply of eggs might well
vacate the body over time, long before the current age of our vampire
female characters, while the replenishable sperm supply might well be
influenced by factors of diet and environment in the present day.

      The FK vampire reproduces itself by converting already-born
people.  It has no need to sire or bear children in the usual way, and
would seem to gain no competitive or evolutionary advantage from it;
therefore, it seems probable that the vampiric system would waste no
resources on deliberately maintaining human reproductive viability in a
vampiric body.  I think any human-style reproductive capacity in an FK
vampire would most likely be the result of inertia or of tampering -- that
is, something left over, or something added.

      Personally, I would reserve any ability to have children to humans
for thematic reasons, as articulated so eloquently in FK's "Last
Act."  (Tangentially, HL's "The Sea Witch" and "Bless the Child" touch on
some similar themes.)

      Just some thoughts.  :-)

Amy R., Knightie
FK: http://users.LMI.net/~akr/fk/


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