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FORKNI-L Digest - 22 Oct 2001 to 23 Oct 2001 (#2001-319)

Tue, 23 Oct 2001

There are 32 messages totalling 991 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Another question (9)
  2. Nat in the Bath with Chianti (2)
  3. Question of the week (3)
  4. Sig lines (8)
  5. Pokemon / FK Crossover
  6. YKYB...
  7. LCA4 (2)
  8. Nat in the Bath with Chianti; Nat served instead of fava beans
  9. Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she? (3)
 10. Janette
 11. Staying warm / sweating - was Re: Question of the week

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:53:31 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

>Actually I could picture LC watching Anime. Not that stupid Pokemon stuff,
>but real anime.  That stuff is pretty adult and violent.

I agree about LC watching Anime. Just don't knock Pokemon, or I'll have to
sic Jigglypuff on you!

Your humble pokemaniacal servant,
Ligeia
(listening to a Pokemon Johto League Champions episode as I type!)

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:26:50 -0700
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: Nat in the Bath with Chianti

> Who said this, Nick, Vachon, LaCroix or Screed?
---Mmmmmm.  Nat  would go well with a nice glass of Chianti.---

I don't know, but you've got my curiosity up!  :)  Who said it?

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:05:40 -0500
From:    Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Nat in the Bath with Chianti

Well, in "Be My Valentine" LaCroix is drinking some sort of red wine and
plans to snack on Nat, so I'd have to say him.

Although, the first thing that popped into my head was Hannibal Lecter...
LOL!!

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."


> > Who said this, Nick, Vachon, LaCroix or Screed?
> ---Mmmmmm.  Nat  would go well with a nice glass of Chianti.---

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:21:25 EDT
From:    BrandyKitt@a.......
Subject: Re: Another question

In a message dated 10/22/2001 4:06:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
agottfre@t....... writes:

I agree about LC watching Anime. Just don't knock Pokemon, or I'll have to
sic Jigglypuff on you!



Hey, another Pokemon fan!  Great!

I think LC would watch Gundam Wing; he would like the political intrigue.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:31:04 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

----- Original Message -----
From: <BrandyKitt@a.......>

> I think LC would watch Gundam Wing; he would like the political intrigue.

Along that same, but different vein I stand by my
conjecture of LaCroix' fondness for "Pinky and the Brain"
and up the ante with the very sly political satire of
"Rocky and Bullwinkle".  "Meanwhile in the frozen
capitol of another country..."

<g>
Laurie of the Isles
Arizona Diamondbacks
National League Champions
World Series Bound

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:50:25 -0500
From:    katrinka <katrinka@f.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

>Hey, another Pokemon fan!  Great!
>
>I think LC would watch Gundam Wing; he would like the political intrigue.

Anime's good, but I  think that LC would watch Iron Chef or Super Sentai or
some of the tokatasu series.

I mean some of the 'bad guys' have terrific dress sense! they even win
sometimes!
(Ep! I just admitted to liking super sentai! I don't mean the US versons
but the Japanese!
Okay I admit it! sue me!))
I mean Kaga of Iron chef. Who played a bad guy in at least one Ultraman show.
The man has a dress sense that would rival LC's. :)
Katrinka@f.......
AIM KatrinkaKnighties

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Date:    Sat, 22 Sep 2001 18:26:55 -0500
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

Marel wrote:

> A really nice try, <g> but I think that a thinnish tunic would retain
> some body heat, but still allow the wearer to draw comforting
> warmth from an adjacent body; to remedy cold feet they could keep
> on their woollen hose.

Let me bring up some personal experience here. I've gone winter camping,
that is, tent, air mattress, and sleeping bag when it's below zero (life in
Minnesota, you know <g>). The first night I slept in my clothes and froze.
AFter complaining to my companions, they informed me that stripping down and
sleeping au naturel or at the most in undies, was the best way to keep warm.
So next night I tried it---this included being totally covered by the
sleeping bag, head and all. Toasty! Warm! Lovely! Everything, including
feet, warmed up nicely. I also stuffed my outer clothing into the sleeping
bag so that in the morning I was putting on warm clothes, not icy ones.

So I can easily see that sleeping in the buff way back when was an accepted
and practical thing. Also, remember that they often heated stones in the
fireplace, wrapped them in cloth, and put them in the bed to provide instant
heat. By the time the stone cooled, the air under the covers was warm and
stayed that way from body heat.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
On the road home from LCA4---proud new owner of an official Jon
Cassar-autographed National Enquirer Paper Shredder! Oh, and an FK crew pin,
too. Neat!

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:55:28 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

Ligeia
> I agree about LC watching Anime. Just don't knock Pokemon, or I'll
> have to sic Jigglypuff on you!
And from Evelyn Duncan
>Hey, another Pokemon fan!  Great!

Pokemon.  What's a lonely Digimon fan to do? : P
Apparently write fic.  So far I've got Wizardmon meeting LC and Nick.  Has
anybody else crossed these two worlds?  I would love to see LC's eyebrows
jump the high vault upon meeting Myotismon (a suave--though with a somewhat
insane laugh---vampire digimon in outlandish dress.  Hmm... I wonder what
Janette would say about that... and about Lady Devimon?  LOL!)

Kyer
kyer@p.......
www.homestead.com/weirdknights/index.html

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:29:42 -0400
From:    Deborah C1228 <magnetox1@j.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:55:28 -0700 Kyer <kyer@p.......> writes:
> Has anybody else crossed these two worlds?

Hmmm....

I seem to remember a fanfic that had Nick somehow acquire a Pokemon...I forget
the creature's specific name but it was something with a C and its particular
ability was shooting flames, if I remember right.  Does anyone remember a story
like this?

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:45:22 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Re: Another question

Hi Y'all!

Deborah wrote:
>I seem to remember a fanfic that had Nick somehow acquire a Pokemon<

I believe this was a story by the wonderful Susan Garett.  But I can't
remember the name of it right now.

Terri
eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD,
FK X-Stitcher, Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-10
She can be taught!  But only in little bytes!

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:42:25 -0700
From:    mysterie <mysterie@m.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

hmmm...
    I'd like to see this on the caddy,
"I'm not driving too fast, I'm flying too low"
What a statement for the fast flying, crazy driving vampire we all know and
love.
---------------------------------------
Mysterie
-What do you get with white hair and a bottle of purple dye?  .... a VERY
angry 2000 year old vampire.
mysterie@m.......
http://www.mysteriescafe.com

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:25:30 -0700
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: Pokemon / FK Crossover

> Deborah C1228 wrote:
> I seem to remember a fanfic that had Nick somehow acquire a
> Pokemon... <snip> Does anyone remember a story like this?

Nicholas, I Choose You! A two parter by Susan Garrett

--
Cloud         <clouddancer@h.......>
Vaquera, Incarnate, Lonely Heart & closet Night Haven
http://www.geocities.com/cloudworley/clouddancer.html

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:21:47 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: YKYB...

You know you've been watching too much FK when:

You're assigned to a new data entry station at work, called "Ger", and no
one understands why you find that so amusing.

Eve.

Eve Dutton
umdutto3@c.......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The opinions contained herein are mine, not those of the University of
Manitoba. It is the opinion of the University of Manitoba that I should be
writing my thesis.

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:26:28 EDT
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: LCA4

Well, let's see: I hope someone posts to this list about Monday's breakfast.
Some bald pated actor dude showed up for it, late, but I was on the outside,
coz the room was so crowded. All I know is that somebody broke a breakaway
wine bottle on his head, and then he broke one over Jayne's head. Please
report more fully, you guys who were on the inside, OK?

All praise and honors to Jon Cassar and Jayne L'Argent and Renate Johnston
for making LCA4 a wonderful experience (even in the absence of bald pated
actor dude <g>).

I understand that the auction raised some $80,000 Canadian for KYTES
(Kensington Youth Theatre and Employment Skills) and Canine Companions.

The mini-paper-shredder mojo continued to work its mystical powers on Sunday.
Example: the first set visit to "Mutant X" (which I still think of as "Mutant
Ten") went for $2,100. The second set visit to "Mutant X" WITH a
mini-paper-shredder included in the deal, went for $4,000. A "day with the
editors" visit, WITH m-p-s, went for $3,500. The National Enquirer, which
contributed the shredders (!) would be proud.

Various and sundry Nikita costumes were auctioned off for various and sundry
prices. Those of you who do FK Wars know that I'm the wrong person to read if
you're looking for descriptions of items of clothing. Or descriptions of
almost any other kind, for that matter ...

I did buy Dean McDermott's broken extracted tooth for $100. He even managed
to get a cheque for $100 for the charities from his dentist, so I figured it
was the least I could do. I might send it to Kelly in Las Vegas, unless it
makes her go "eeeeeew."

The Coke can challenge continued on Sunday. John Shea did 2 headstands: the
first was shortlived and sent him crashing *into* the Coke can, which spewed
forth most impressively. The second attempt was much more successful, and the
now-empty and dented can was bought for $500. Lauren Lee Smith, from Mutant
X, got $125 for her Coke can; Vicki Pratt got $300. Forbes March <sorry, but
that name conjures up "Ford Prefect" to me> got $900; and we'll let Jill tell
you, off list, why the paper shredder that came with Victor Webster's Coke
can was well worth $2,700. I told you the m-p-s mojo was to be reckoned with!
(Vicki told a story about, er, falling out of her costume, and I suggested
that she needed a nipple wrangler. She asked "Who said that?" When I admitted
it was I, she said "I *like* you." <weg>)

Katherine Long (Divia) is focusing on her ballet, and will be appearing as
the Sugar Plum Fairy in the New Haven Ballet "Nutcracker" this holiday
season, if any of you want to see her. She's a lovely and self-possessed
young lady, who always put thought and effort into her contributions to LCA4.
She auctioned off the opal earrings she wore in the role of Divia along with
a photo of her and LC in costume, in a wonderful frame. For the Coke can
challenge, she had a professional artist draw a caricature of herself holding
a Coke can, which went for $400.

Doug McRae's Coke can brought $300, after he got $1,000 for original artwork
of Nikita or Mutant X characters of the winner's choosing.

Geoff and Jim Murrin, or the Nikita Prop Boys as I think of them, got $100
for their Coke can. On Friday afternoon they gave an interesting "Breaking
into Script Writing" talk, from their perspective of having won at least one
(maybe more?) screen writing contests.

Carlo Rota was the final Coke can victi ... er ... auctioneer, and the price
of his can (sorry, I had to do that at least once) was $400.

There was much, much more, but I was too busy watching, and participating,
and forgetting for a couple of days what was going on back home. There's a
special, safe, atmosphere at LCA, no matter how raucous we get, and all
credit for that goes to Jon and Jayne and Renate, who establish and maintain
a perfect balance of good works and sheer lunacy, and keep it running like
clockwork, no matter what curves get thrown at them. They're pros, and we
love them for it.

That's it from me: I'll stop before I get sentimental. Please, I'd love to
read reports from other folks. We all saw and heard and thought different
things, and it would be fun to share impressions with the list.

Best,
Julia
jkocich@a.......
AIM: jkocich
MSN: jkocich@y.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:38:35 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

> I agree about LC watching Anime. Just don't knock Pokemon, or I'll have to
> sic Jigglypuff on you!
>
> Your humble pokemaniacal servant,
> Ligeia
> (listening to a Pokemon Johto League Champions episode as I type!)
>

Did someone call?

My hubby calls me Jigglypuff sometimes.  It comes from this real silly habit I
have of drawing little faces on the bottom of his toes when he falls asleep on
the couch.  I've been doing it to him for years.  (Think of all the money I
could've made if I had just made my own cartoon about it.)  Oh well, with my
luck someone must have heard me telling this story before and used the idea
for the Pokemon character: I bore him to sleep than get even by drawing on him.
Yep, that's a pretty good description.  lol

Grace
(Hey, who stole my magic marker?!)

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:01:32 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Another question

Debora
> I seem to remember a fanfic that had Nick somehow acquire a Pokemon...I
> forget the creature's specific name but it was something with a C and <snip>

I remember that and it was a Charmander that Nicholas accidently 'stole'
from LaCroix.
But I was referring to Digimon/FK and not Pokemon/FK.  (Sorry Pokemon fans,
but I honestly like the Digimon premise better.

Argh!  Just got an image of Nicholas rooting around in his dusty trunks and
finding a Book of Clow (CardCaptors Sukara)  thinking maybe this would make
a nice present for Natalie... or Janette.  Janette in a cutsie costume with
a winged teddy cub friend?  Or with Nick *as* Kero/Keroberus and LaCroix as
Yuki/Yue the Judge? Although Nick would make a better Yuki.  Poor confused
Yuki/Nick hasn't a clue that when he faints he's really turning into Yue/LC.
Nwag!  GAaa...  Away!  Away foul muse back to your home under that rock!
*Kyer hopes she doesn't have nightmares tonight*

Whimpered,
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:31:31 -0500
From:    Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Re: LCA4

Thanks for posting about LCA4, Julia.  I really missed being there this
year and seeing everyone again--absent bald pated actor dude
notwithstanding. <G>  I hope more of you will post as well.


Christy
cstillma@u.......

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."  -- Douglas Adams

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:43:09 EDT
From:    Marel Darby <Frostsaint2@a.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

Nancy wrote:
>  sleeping au naturel or at the most in undies, was the best way to keep warm.
>  So next night I tried it---this included being totally covered by the
>  sleeping bag, head and all. Toasty! Warm! Lovely! Everything, including
>  feet, warmed up nicely

Glad you had fun. <g> I can quite see that being covered ...er... buried <g>
from head to toes in a sleeping bag would insulate the body nicely.  But
I wonder if the same would be true of a medieval bed -- maybe lying on
lumpy straw mattress -- with whatever coverings the peasant could afford,
lacking modern fibres with excellent  properties of insulation -- if
it would afford a similar degree of comfort?

In any case, I'm not saying that medieval noctural nudity didn't occur --
I'm sure it did! I'm just proposing a healthy sceptism to the pronouncements
of some historians who have a weakness for packaging the past in tidy little
boxes. <g> They would have it that the  behaviour of some, becomes the
behaviour of all -- when that would clearly run counter to common sense. <g>
Man/woman kind are not nearly as obliging as to behave in a uniform
way, however much it would suit them. <G>

>  So I can easily see that sleeping in the buff way back when was an accepted
>  and practical thing.

By some? I quite agree.

>  Also, remember that they often heated stones in the
>  fireplace, wrapped them in cloth, and put them in the bed to provide instant
>  heat. By the time the stone cooled, the air under the covers was warm and
>  stayed that way from body heat.

And they  had their livestock inside their dwellings with them --also
providing a nice amount of body heat...and fleas...<g>

Marel

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:11:20 -0500
From:    SAMI THOMPSON <angels2@f.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

Laurie wrote:

> "Well behaved women seldom make history."
>

HA HA HA HA HA!  Well said!

This should be on a sampler in every living room - in the world!

Thanks for the mood boost, Laurie!


Sami
angels2@f.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:17:34 +1000
From:    Taliesyn <taliesyn@c.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

    Very true, women who don't behave are like honey to us
    men, I think Janette understood that very well that's
    why I find her very interesting.


> Laurie wrote:
>
>> "Well behaved women seldom make history."
>>



Alexander J Braun - Taliesyn@c....... - ICQ # 12610993
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I
thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the
terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?
So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of
the universe". Marcus, B5

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:19:39 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

----- Original Message -----
From: "SAMI THOMPSON" <angels2@f.......>

> > "Well behaved women seldom make history."
> >
>
> HA HA HA HA HA!  Well said!

I can't take credit, it actually *is* a quote on a bumper
sticker.  I can't remember who said it, nobody whose
name I recognized anyway.  Laura something I think.
If you want one of the bumperstickers, or even a t-shirt
go to www.northernsun.com

> Thanks for the mood boost, Laurie!

You're welcome, glad to be of service.  Goddess knows
I could use one myself.

Take care,
Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:26:57 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

>     Very true, women who don't behave are like honey to us
>     men, I think Janette understood that very well that's
>     why I find her very interesting.

        I am curious.
        Aside the fact that she wants to bury her fangs in your neck,
I've never had an impression of Janette that was anything but lady-
like.  She is deadly dangerous, but so is any large predator.
        Anything specific you see as "misbehaving"?  Aside being a
vampire and killing/occasionally playing with her food?

                Tim
 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:37:51 +1000
From:    Taliesyn <taliesyn@c.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

    Haven't you ever watched a predator, Tiger, Lion, Leopard, beautiful
    but deadly they fascinate the watchers, Janette may play but doesn't
    always consume what she plays with and I think in FK she's the one
    who seems to have the most amusement at the other's expense Nick's
    and LaCroix.


> I am curious.
> Aside the fact that she wants to bury her fangs in your neck,
> I've never had an impression of Janette that was anything but lady-
> like.  She is deadly dangerous, but so is any large predator.
> Anything specific you see as "misbehaving"?  Aside being a
> vampire and killing/occasionally playing with her food?
>
> Tim
> Tim Phillips
> timp@d.......




Alexander J Braun - Taliesyn@c....... - ICQ # 12610993
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I
thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the
terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?
So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of
the universe". Marcus, B5

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:52:12 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

>     Haven't you ever watched a predator, Tiger, Lion, Leopard, beautiful
>     but deadly they fascinate the watchers, Janette may play but doesn't
>     always consume what she plays with and I think in FK she's the one
>     who seems to have the most amusement at the other's expense Nick's
>     and LaCroix.

        Janette is a beautiful predator.  I don't see misbehavior in her
personality, I see the "cruelty" of something that is hungry and
needs to kill to fill its belly.
        I can't really remember any occasion where Janette did
something to amuse herself at the expense of Nick or LaCroix.
        Someone could  enlighten me, but I don't really remember any
occasion that Janette did something that LaCroix really objected to.
        Janette sometimes gave Nick a hard-time - verbally - about his
latest "favor", but she generally came through for him after he
acknowledged his debt to her.  On at least one occasion, she
risked death in racing the morning sun to reach him and rescue
Nick from his own impending demise.

        I basically don't think that Janette really misbehaves.  She acts
in accordance with her nature - a violent top predator - when that
aspect of her personality has dominance.  The rest of the time, she
comports herself in a manner not much different from normal
people.  She occasionally bickers or squabbles with people who
are rubbing against her nerves, but that is about it.

                        Tim

 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:11:32 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Nat in the Bath with Chianti; Nat served instead of fava beans

In a message dated 10/22/01 6:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kris1228@s....... writes:

<< Although, the first thing that popped into my head was Hannibal Lecter...
 LOL!! >>
Well yes, this was supposed to be a joke a la Hannible Lecter -- no one in FK
really said this.  But I thought you would all enjoy imaging your favorite
vamp tippling and contemplating the possibities.  In this scenario, Nat *is*
the fava bean course.

The closest any FK ever came, IMHO, was the babe in the boudoir with a nice
glass of honey meade.  ;)   Anybody got a better example?  (Sounds like a
game of Clue.)

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:17:34 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?

In a message dated 10/23/01 10:53:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Timp@d....... writes:

<<     I basically don't think that Janette really misbehaves.  She acts  in
accordance with her nature - a violent top predator - when that  aspect of
her personality has dominance.  The rest of the time, she >>

Janette ain't misbehavin'?  Perish the thought!
Janette is *not* a good girl by any standard Western Civilization definition.
 Good girls make cookies, fetch beers and never, ever express an opinion
contrary to a man's.  Hence, both Mrs. Bush's are *good girls* and Mrs.
Clinton is a * bad girl*.   If Tracy Vetter is a Perkulator, she's a good
girl.  If you believe the Dark Perks, Tracy Vetter is a bad girl.  Very
baaaaad.  ;-)  I like her better already!

The Virgin Mary complex still applies to most people - men and women and
defines the parameters of the good & bad girl..  One marries the good girl
(Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island, Mrs. Brady and just about any mom on TV until
veeeery recently) to be the *mother of your children* (thus making her
asexual/virgin coz no one's mom really ever did you-know-what) .  Since the
good girl is too precious to do you-know-what,  one has to sleep with the bad
girl (usually definied as any overtly sexual woman ie Ginger, Pamela
Anderson, Julia Roberts as a prostitute, Shelly Long as a prostitute in
Nightshift, then Shirley MacLaine played several prostitutes; white women
routinely have been cast as prostitutes to excuse their sexuality onscreen -
but later  convert to good girls by having a *heart of gold*.  Hmmm, who else
do we know that fits this profile?).   JFK is a primo example of a guy with a
major Virgin Mary complex - hence the public trophy wife plus all the
"girlfriends" that the boys in the press pretended they didn't see.

Janette is also a bad girl because she doesn't suffer fools and she doesn't
take orders.
She does what she wants (I was once asked/admonished -"you mean your husband
*let's* you go places without him?!?") , says whatever she wants to Nick and
LC and everyone else (a la Mae West) and owns her own stuff (LUuucy!  You
canna haf money for that fancy dress quoth Ricki Ricardo) .  Historically, a
woman had to own a bordello in order to have that kind of independence.
Convents were assigned a priest to oversee the nuns because you simply
couldn't have women making decisions autonomously.  Even Queens had to stay
busy working tapestry or some such rot because idle hands too easily take on
the Devil's Work.  And no one is more susceptive to Satan's influence than
Eve.
*Even with LaCroix, Janette has a lot more gumption and autonomy than Nick.
 But I suppose Nick is more important to LC - he is, after all, a *boy*.

So by definition, past or present, Janette is a *bad girl*.  She's earned the
title, dag-nab it.  She's a bad girl from waaaay back.
Plus, Janette kicks a$$ !  (did that pass the censors?)

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:19:04 -0700
From:    Eric McCann <egmccann@t.......>
Subject: Re: Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?

At 12:17 PM 10/23/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Janette ain't misbehavin'?  Perish the thought!
>Janette is *not* a good girl by any standard Western Civilization definition.
>  Good girls make cookies, fetch beers and never, ever express an opinion
>contrary to a man's.

Methinks you have an old definition...  circa 1950-early 1960s. (At least
from *this* male's point of view.)

Of course, I don't believe that "black and white" seperation exists,
either. Never ever express an opinion contrary to a man's?  I'd say there's
something wrong there, not that she's a "good" girl.

An independant woman (which Janette definately fits, Tracy's getting to -
though she's still tangled in the "little girl" strings of her parents) and
Natalie's also "getting to" (much closer than Tracy, but I think she still
has some strings) can definately be considered "good."  *shrug* Or "bad"
for that matter.

According to your definition, the only "good" girl on the show was Urs.
While I like Urs (in a little-sister-y sort of way) - you have to admit
there were some problems there (which makes her ripe for fanfic.) They did
get hinted at somewhat in the show... but her attitudes don't make her the
only "good" girl on the show.

A woman who won't contradict a man's opinion? Perish THAT thought... what
fun would that be? (Or as the saying goes - if a man speaks in the woods
and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong? OK, that's the other
extreme...)

-Eric of the Unfinished Fic

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:36:19 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?

> Janette is *not* a good girl by any standard Western Civilization definition.
>  Good girls make cookies, fetch beers and never, ever express an opinion
> contrary to a man's.

        OK, how we define good and bad is different.
        I am not imposing a cultural gender bias on how she behaves.

        Colliqually, I may describe Janette as "bad" but it would be the
same way I would describe someone like Joan Jett as a "bad girl
rocker".  Less a description of real morals, more a way of invoking
a generic mental image.
        Change Janette's taste in clothing to something less gothic,
give her blonde hair and you are starting to get very close to Urs...
Would you describe a blonde Janette wearing robin's egg blue as
"bad"?
        I think a different adjective would apply (although I'd have to
juggle that mental image a while to get something that feels right).

                Tim


 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:49:09 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Janette

Tim wrote:
>Would you describe a blonde Janette wearing robin's egg blue as
>"bad"?

No, I'd just describe whatever drugs the producers/writers/etc. were taking
when they did that to her as bad. <g>

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:54:26 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Sig lines

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Phillips"

>Aside the fact that she wants to bury her fangs in your neck,
> I've never had an impression of Janette that was anything but lady-
> like.  Anything specific you see as "misbehaving"?  Aside being a
> vampire and killing/occasionally playing with her food?

Well, according to the mores of the time in which she was mortal,
rising up against the man who was in authority over her was
"misbehaving".  Daring to think she deserved better than the lot
which became her life when she couldn't produce an heir was
"misbehaving", according to the beliefs of her time.  According
to the thinking then, if bad things happened to you, you must
deserve it.  Especially as a woman (by the thinking of the time,
the instrument of Man's fall and inherently weak and suseptible
to sin) if a woman couldn't produce an heir, what good was she?
She had nothing to redeem her from her carnal nature.

For her time, she was a radical feminist.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:58:25 -0700
From:    phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

--- Tracey Rayner <trayner@p.......> wrote:
> >
> What (or who) do the
> FK characters
> share their baths/showers with?  (Keep it PG13,
> kiddies! <G>)
>
I can see Lacroix in a hot tub, steam gently rising
while flickering candles cast light and dark shadows.
In the backrgound, music softly playing.  Don't need
ducks.  ;}
  Nick I could invision the same way, with one slight
difference.  Nick would have a candle next to the tub
so that he could play with the flame and think of all
the things that went bad. ;}  Ok, now that I have
steamed up my computer, I am going to take a cold
shower. ;}  Phylis.

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Date:    Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:23:22 +0200
From:    Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
Subject: Staying warm / sweating - was Re: Question of the week

Marel Darby wrote:

> I wonder if the same would be true of a medieval bed -- maybe lying on
> lumpy straw mattress -- with whatever coverings the peasant could afford,
> lacking modern fibres with excellent  properties of insulation -- if
> it would afford a similar degree of comfort?

As SCA members, my husband and I (and our 3-year-old) often camp out in
all weathers, all temps - we're in Germany, so it does get pretty cold
at night.  We don't use a sleeping bag, we use two comforters, one to
lie on and one to cover up with, and throw a big blanket over the top.
That's as close to mediaeval as I'm willing to go, sorry! <g>   Anyway,
we sleep in our chemises - like big, oversized drafty nightgowns made of
muslin, that we also wear all day under our clothes (eeewww!)  - and
socks.  And all three of us huddle down and basically hug all night.
And stay nice and toasty warm.

It'd be fun to try going 'bare' to test the theory, but I don't fancy my
chances of being able to find clothing, and actually put it on, in the
middle of the night when I get woken up by my daughter who is desperate
to pee... ;-)

Any other volunteers...? <g>

At the risk of making this degenerate into something really yukky,  the
idea of the chemise made me think.... it used to be the generic
undergarment, worn all day and all night - so it probably got rather
odiferous after a while.  I know ours *really* need a wash after a
weekend camp-out, and that's with all the benefits of modern deodorants
and soap.  The FK vamps do sweat - we've all seen the blood-tinged
forehead of Nick when he's had a nightmare, and I think when he was sick
in Fever too - but I wonder if it would smell?  It's the action of
bacteria on the skin breaking down the components of sweat that makes
the typical 'odour', but would they even *have* those bacteria,
considering they're - to all intents and purposes - dead?  And I wonder
if they would sweat when they get hot?

Musing on weird things tonight....
Lorin

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