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FORKNI-L Digest - 26 May 2001 to 27 May 2001 (#2001-168)

Sun, 27 May 2001

There are 10 messages totalling 368 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Divia and Asperger's syndrome (2)
  2. List size (2)
  3. FW: [sftvnews] Lone Gunmen: 13th episode to air June 1
  4. Robocop  on Sci-Fi in July (2)
  6. NEW GWD Page Re-vamp!
  7. Fw: Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules


Date:    Sat, 26 May 2001 22:16:13 +0100
From:    Linda Hepden <Kezia.Hepden@b.......>
Subject: Re: Divia and Asperger's syndrome

Okay, so maybe Asperger's is the wrong kind of autism to have affected
Divia - don't forget we're talking about autism plus vampirism (plus
adolescence...) here, and that's a pretty lethel mixture!  Maybe sociapath
is a better word for what's intrinsically wrong with Divia...

I'm no expert either, and was just throwing the idea out to see if anyone
can bring further illumination on the subject.  I understand we have over
1,000 list members - do we *really* have no-one in the pysch professions on
the list?

Then again, these are FK fans I'm talking about...  We don't need no
stinking pyschologists!  This list is all the therapy most of us need...



Date:    Sun, 27 May 2001 01:25:11 +0200
From:    Cloudrider <cloudrider@a.......>
Subject: List size

Kezia wrote:
> I understand we have over 1,000 list members - do we *really* have no-one in
... <

Just for the record, because this outdated number gets repeated here
We *had* 1000 members, years ago. Unfortunately our number keeps shrinking,
as of today Forkni-L has only *661* subscribers. Incl. double addies and
probably lots of old members on nomail. Dimly I remember that 1-2 years ago it
was about 850. (And Fkfic-L dropped in that time from about 1150 to 877 now)
It's slightly frustrating :(

According to http://www.lsoft.com  (official listserv page, gets updated daily)



Date:    Sat, 26 May 2001 22:29:48 -0500
From:    Lindy Cooksey <lindy@w.......>
Subject: FW: [sftvnews] Lone Gunmen: 13th episode to air June 1

>From:  George Fergus[SMTP:fergus@epguides.com]
>FOX has apparently scheduled the remaining unaired Lone Gunmen episode
>"Cap'n Toby" for next Friday, June 1.  In this episode, Langly comes to
>the defense of his childhood TV hero, who has been accused of being a spy.

Is this one that Ben Bass is in or did I miss it?


Date:    Sat, 26 May 2001 22:31:36 -0500
From:    Lindy Cooksey <lindy@w.......>
Subject: Robocop  on Sci-Fi in July

Also from SFTVnews list:

>They will have the Robocop: Prime Directives mini-series July 16-19 at 9 pm
>ET/PT and midnight ET/PT in letterbox format.

This is the fairly new one that Ger's in, isn't it?


Date:    Sun, 27 May 2001 00:16:45 -0400
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Robocop  on Sci-Fi in July

Yes, he's in the last 2 movies: Resurrection and Crash & Burn.

Lindy Cooksey wrote:
>> >They will have the Robocop: Prime Directives mini-series July 16-19 at 9 pm
>ET/PT and midnight ET/PT in letterbox format.
> This is the fairly new one that Ger's in, isn't it?

Marg Yamanaka  <mytoronto@h.......>
In the City of the Knight


Date:    Sat, 26 May 2001 21:35:36 -0700
From:    Cousin Tserisa <headpigeons@h.......>
Subject: Re: Divia and Asperger's syndrome

Kezia wrote:
>Okay, so maybe Asperger's is the wrong kind of autism to have affected
>Divia - don't forget we're talking about autism plus vampirism (plus
>adolescence...) here, and that's a pretty lethel mixture!  Maybe sociapath
>is a better word for what's intrinsically wrong with Divia...

I'm not a psych professional, although I have worked extensively in both
therapy and one-on-one teaching with autistic (and high-functioning autistic
like Asperger's) kids, and I do know a great deal about psychiatry and

Divia does not in any way strike me as autistic.  Autism and Asperger's are
distinct disorders with many complex symptoms.  For one thing, Divia's
proposal to LaCroix is fairly out of step with autism.  Autism is sort of a
sensory overload/underload problem... hence the stereotypical repetetive
behaviors (which Divia does not represent at all).  Headbanging, rocking,
wristbanging, fluttering, etc.  These are usually efforts to either seperate
from the world (dissociate) when too much information is coming in, or to
produce a sensation to concentrate on when too little is.

Not only does it involve social lonerism (notice Divia's withdrawl was noted
when she was brought across; so before that she may have been social, that
this was thought strange), but communciation problems, such as a lack of
understanding of emotional cues (they often feel the emotions but mislabel
them, or don't understand them), and don't understand body language as well
as spoken language.

Violence in autistic people is usually a response to a trigger, however
confusing it may be to non-autistic folks.  The feel of a seam against the
skin, touching, getting wet, a loud noise, an emotion, and so on.  Often it
is loud, and violent, but not planned or focused.

As for antisocial personality disorder (also called psychopaths, sociopaths)
it definitely fits Divia much more closely.  Effectively, APD is the
disregard for morals, social norms, and laws despite the possibility of
punishment or consequence.  Deceitfulness, conning, impulsivity, lack of
planning ahead, reckless disregard for safety of self or others,
aggressiveness, irritability, irresponsibility, and a lack of remorse, are
all symptoms of APD.  This is almost straight out of the DSM IV (psychiatric
diagnostic statistics manual), I think....  It also must onset before the
age of 18, and there must be conduct disorder before 15, and must not be
part of schizophrenia or a manic episode (from bipolar disorder, or manic

However, people around Divia noted a change in her, when she was brought
across.  She retreated from people.  It's been a long time since I've
watched these episodes... but it seems like vampirism made marked changes in
her social behavior.  I'm much more inclined to believe that her evil was
vampirism induced, with a lot of more mystical elements and so on, then
mental illness.  I don't think she would've been diagnosable as anything
specifically, had she been psychologically screened, although with all
mental illness there's a lot of grey area.  From the folks and friends I
have that have autistic spectrum disorders or are sociopaths, Divia acts
much more like a outright villianess than anything else.

I think Nick does suffer from clinical depression however. ;)  Guilt,
trouble sleeping, hopelessness... he's so classic.  I empathise, even if his
angsting annoys me... ;)

And I have to say, because of unfortunate stigmas, mental illness doesn't
make people evil.

The best website for autistic and asperger's that I've ever found has got to
be "Oops, Wrong Planet Syndrome",


which explores these spectrum disorders from the eyes of someone who *is*
autistic.  If nothing else, read "How to Understand People Who Are


which is written by an autistic man and is the best insight into the
autistic mind I have *ever* seen, in any form, net or otherwise.

Also, Knights in Darkness (KiD) is a Forever Knight fandom support group for
suffers of mental illness and neurological disorders, and can be found at


Cousin Tserisa & the Cousinly Critters
- headpigeons@h....... -
Cousin, Ratpacker 8:>X and CaddyWhack
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Date:    Sun, 27 May 2001 02:27:33 EDT
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......

In a message dated 5/26/2001 3:51:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MLCVamp@a....... writes:

<< I'm in the middle of the new Richard Dun novel by Nigel Bennett and P. N.
 Elrod.  So far, I like it better than the first  >>

I just finished the book two knights ago and also liked it better than the
first.  It had more of a character storyline.  The first book seemed to deal
with the background of Richard Dun.  This sequel had more mystery to it.
Now I'm waiting for the next in the series.  The trouble with good books is
that the authors can't write them fast enough for the fans.
KnightWitch ;-]=

CaddyWhacker [first and foremost], Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html .....and.....


Date:    Sun, 27 May 2001 02:47:51 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: NEW GWD Page Re-vamp!

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to let you all know that I re-vamped my Geraint Wyn Davies page
and it's now up! There's over 1,000 new pictures, a bunch of new movies,
wallpapers, and much more! There's more to come too, so be sure and check
back. Click the new banner off my index to visit.

"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."


Date:    Sun, 27 May 2001 12:30:37 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Fw: Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules

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Date:    Sun, 27 May 2001 16:31:24 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: List size

Great hope though. That wonderful jacket I got before X-mas....
I have had people WALK up and comment on it. Ive gotten "wht an awesome

There is hope!

Lady Ariadne--webmistress
ICQ# 10820105

 Dimly I remember that 1-2 years ago it was
about 850. (And Fkfic-L dropped in that time from about 1150 to 877 now)
It's slightly frustrating :(


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