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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Apr 2001 to 13 Apr 2001 (#2001-123)
Fri, 13 Apr 2001
There are 17 messages totalling 549 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. (PG) vampire sex (4)
2. Forever Night Webring (sic)
3. Something I've been chewing on
4. FK Superheroes (was: Makeovers)
5. Divia & the therapist (2)
6. (PG) Vampire Sex
7. Blood a la carte (was Cows and Lambs) (4)
8. Nigel ALERT!!!!
9. Professor Molly, Ahem!
10. Odd fact spurs fanfic speculation
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:10:29 -0700
From: Klytaimnestra <lbowman@c.......>
Subject: (PG) vampire sex
on 4/12/01 2:00 PM, laCountess wrote:
> most vampire adult fiction I read ... presume that vampire's can have real
> human sex with their mortal/immortal partners but the act of drinking
> blood is essential for the vampire to find their release
I know that's the fanfic assumption, but I've been thinking about that
lately. I don't think it's got any canonical basis. If I recall the
Playgirl interview correctly, GWD said there that in the FK universe
vampires can have sex and can impregnate, though we never see it in the
show, but presumably it was in the bible somewhere (or Parriott done told
him so).
Also, I have a problem with the idea that draining the victim, er, partner,
is the LAST act. That might work for female vampires, who might even be
able to hold off entirely (see Janette, when Nick is first brought across -
by LaCroix, AFTER he and Janette make the beast with two backs). But if
male vampires only have blood if they've fed recently, and if blood pressure
is necessary for, er, physiological reasons connected with the male
reproductive anatomy, then surely ordinary sex is only possible for (male)
vampires who fed BEFOREHAND?
Which would explain why Nick can't hold off with Alexandra - he needs her
blood in order to go to the obvious next stage. Now if she'd already been a
vampire, they could then go on after he drinks her blood, and whoop it up in
the usual way. But alas, humans so rarely last past the necessary first
step ...
... poor Nat ...
Laurel
p.s. McLisa, is this PG enough? I tried, I really did. L
--
Klytaimnestra lbowman@c.......
Fanfiction at http://members.home.net/lbowman
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:53:12 -0400
From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Night Webring (sic)
There is absolutely nothing you can do. Usually a company that hosts a site can
control what is on the site, but this site didn't have any porn on the site, it
just pointed to the porn site and the porn site had its own domain, so you can't
do anything about that.
Margie Hammet wrote:
> Is there any way of complaining to
> whatever company is the host of the web ring? What that person did is
> really abusive, and if something isn't done about stuff like that,
--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." Katherine Hepburn
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:26:40 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Something I've been chewing on
I'm interested to see what thoughts others have on this:
There's a discussion going on in and X-Files list I'm on about
how a certain episode reflects how inextrably sex, death and
religion have been linked in the subconcous mind of western
man for millenia. I think you can see that very strongly
reflected in Forever Knight, even from the very beginning.The
wages of Nick's "sin" of sleeping with Janette was death, or
undeath rather, which led to 800 years of torturously linked
(for Nick) cycles of sex (vamp style anyway) death and
according to his own beliefs, ever increasing religious condem-
nation. I think that basic link is what's behind the very idea
of vampirism. Certainly it's behind Stoker's Dracula.
My two bucks (adjustment for inflation you know <g>)
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:53:04 -0700
From: Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: FK Superheroes (was: Makeovers)
Christy wrote:
>> And let's not forget Janette as Femme Fatale. Impeccably dressed and
>> coiffed, she flies around Toronto responding to extreme fashion emergencies.
Then MadiHolmes listed lots of possible superhero indentities, which reminded me
that there is a story which deals with this very topic over here --
http://www.ScreedWasHere.com/fanfic/tracy.html
The title is "The Vigilante"
Are there any other stories about the FK characters as SuperHeroes?? It seems a
natural spoof to me!
Bonnie Kate
callalily@l.......
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:40:02 -0500
From: SAMI THOMPSON <angels2@f.......>
Subject: Re: Divia & the therapist
Rose Thatcher wrote:
> Psychiatrist is a dish best served cold.
Oh, they're good hot or cold, depending on the weather.
I mean, if it's a hot day, you'd want the cold dish.
But if it's a cool day, you'd enjoy the steaming hot
psychiatrist instead - sticks to your ribs and all that.
Besides, I think most people/vamps go through at least
several therapists before they find the one that's just
right, anyway. So many of them are sour little things;
it's hard to find a good one.
Sorry for the slow reply - I'm a BIT behind on the email.
At least I think I'm in the same week this time.
Sami
*********
Sami Swan Thompson
angels2@f.......
http://www.geocities.com/samiswan/index.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:13:13 -0700
From: "D. K. Kraft" <cat@e.......>
Subject: Re: (PG) vampire sex
On the subject of guy vamps vs. gal vamps concerning this --
I would like to call to attention the scene in "The Fix" where Nick and
Schanke are walking down the sidewalk--in broad daylight thanks to Nat's
experimental treatment for Nick's "condition"--and this blond bombshell struts
on by. Both guys execute a beeeeoootiful
"male-sees-extremely-desireable-female" slow turn with big goo-goo eyes. The
scene then cuts to "inside Nick's head," where we see what Nick really wants
to do in that moment: bury both fangs in her throat. Cut back to Nick and
Schanke, Nick says "Something's wrong," or suchlike, and Schanke observes that
Nick's looking "a little burnt"--e.g.: the lutoviterine (I probably
misspelled that, mea culpa) is starting to wear off and Nick is responding to
the woman *as a vampire.*
From this scene, I've always taken it that the virus at the root of vampirism
changes the hardwiring for what a vampire registers as arousing or erotic. In
other words, pretty woman walks by, male vampire's fantasy is blood, not doing
the wild thing. Now, if a male vampire had *enough* blood in one sitting,
maybe the secondary patterns of his endocrine system would kick in...
Ah, Speculations, Speculations --
--
/\ /\ | "The cat pretends to sleep that it may
^o o^ D.K. "Cat" Kraft | see the more clearly."
->T<- cat@e....... |
~ Lynnwood, WA | -- Chateaubriand (1768-1848)
___oOO___OOo___ | a French writer and statesman
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:25:21 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: (PG) Vampire Sex
La Countess wrote:
>> Not to mention that he probably could feel all of it too considering the
mental link vampire parent/children share. I'm only forced to listen to my
neighbors consummate <snip> every night and I tell you it's so icky I have
to turn my TV volume up to the last notch and it still doesn't help. I don't
know how he could tolerate it.<<
Maybe they're trying to drown out your TV? ;-)
There are two things regarding this, though. One is that, given their
enhanced senses and their mental bonds, vampires probably get pretty used to
mortals and vampires having sex nearby, and experiencing the vibrations of
their 'family' having sex. Also, until recently, privacy was virtually
unknown and having people having sex nearby or in the same room was rather
commonplace. What we today expect in the way of 'proper' behaviour (and
language, for that matter) in these areas only dates from the Victorian era.
I rather think Nick was just bored with the whole thing and wishing Serena
would hurry up already. <g>
>>The scene with Alexandra, also, I thought, showed that Nick expected, at
least, to be capable of 'real' sex <<
IMHO, all it showed was that Nick expected satisfaction *of some kind.* I
love this scene, btw, particularly the way Ger gives her neck a little shake
while his fangs are sunk in, like a terrier with a rat.
>The only problem is that a mortal lover may not survive this final act.
Thus, the flaw in 'why Nick can't get intimate with Natalie': he's been
shown 'sipping' from other women, why not from her? To me the obvious
answer is "because he's starving himself," but that's another topic and just
MHO.
Klytaimnestra wrote:
>>But if male vampires only have blood if they've fed recently, and if blood
pressure is necessary for, er, physiological reasons connected with the male
reproductive anatomy, then surely ordinary sex is only possible for (male)
vampires who fed BEFOREHAND?<<
I've always assumed that one would feed first, then proceed to have sex,
then make the transition from plateau to climax with the second feeding.
With two vampires, both feedings could come from the same partner; with a
vampire and a mortal, the vampire would have to 'stock up' first, either
with a first kill or with bottled blood.
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:33:34 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: Divia & the therapist
Sami wrote:
>> Oh, they're good hot or cold, depending on the weather. I mean, if it's a
hot day, you'd want the cold dish. But if it's a cool day, you'd enjoy the
steaming hot psychiatrist instead - sticks to your ribs and all that.<<
Hmmn...I wonder what wine would go with a nice Salade a la Thérapeute? And
then there's always Hot Honey Mustard Barbequed Shrink, perfect for tailgate
parties...
>>Besides, I think most people/vamps go through at least several therapists
before they find the one that's just right, anyway. So many of them are
sour little things; it's hard to find a good one.<<
<nodding in agreement> Yes; the secret is in harvesting them at just the
right time.
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:50:23 EDT
From: Marel Darby <Frostsaint2@a.......>
Subject: Re: Blood a la carte (was Cows and Lambs)
dreamerextrodanar@h....... writes:
> I've always figured that since memories and emotions are transmitted through
> blood, that's why cow tastes so bad. really, really, really, boring lives.
Perhaps if cows' blood is boring it's due also to their comparatively
low intelligence, and Nick prefers it, as the lesser evil, for that very
reason? Since vampires can read the blood of others, if he drank the
blood of a really intelligent animal, say that of a pig which many people
claim are a lot smarter than dogs, such a clever animal brain would, I
assume, impact more on its blood. If when imbibing such, vampires
could sense the workings of such an utterly alien mind, maybe even
they would find it extremely disconcerting and if forced to rely on animal
blood prefer more um...vacant hosts? <g>
Marel
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:16:31 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: Blood a la carte (was Cows and Lambs)
Marel wrote:
>>Since vampires can read the blood of others, if he drank the blood of a
really intelligent animal, say that of a pig which many people claim are a
lot smarter than dogs, such a clever animal brain would, I assume, impact
more on its blood. <<
Ack! <claps hand over Marel's mouth> Don't say things like that in front of
Kyer--we all know what she did with Nick's cactus; can you imagine what
she'll do with pig's blood?!
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:59:12 -0400
From: Doña Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Nigel ALERT!!!!
Greetings!
Don't know if anyone has reminded ya'll {as I'm on digest here} so my
apologies if this is a repeat :), but, I noticed today [via my Digital Cable
Guide] and also just checked and saw that Cheryl has this included in her
EXTENSIVE Monthly FK Alumni ALERT {Thanks, Cheryl!!!} that--
On the SciFi channel ****TODAY****
FRIDAY, April 13, 2001 at 3:00 PM EDT - FRIDAY THE 13TH: THE SERIES -episode
"THE BUTCHER" -(CC, Stereo: TV14)
"The swastika of a scientist revives a dead Nazi, who seeks revenge on
Jack's old unit." Nigel Bennett as "Rausch/Walden"
You're probably aware that SciFi Channel schedule for Monday thru Friday
during the day has sorta 'mini-marathons' of various series, changes
daily... and today they're showing "Friday The 13th: the Series" {{{and, if
you're like me and not interested in the "Friday the 13th" MOVIES, FYI, this
series has NOTHING to do with these movies, and even on a couple of ep is
about vampires}}}, has SEVERAL FK alumni -- well, I don't know if you couls
REALLY say that they're FK Alumni... as this series Pre-Dates FK :) ... but
I immensely enjoy seeing the MANY 'Future FK cast and guests' [Catherine
Disher {Nat} is in a few eps... even Gary Farmer {Capt. StoneTree is in
one}... and if the background music sounds familiar, IIRC Fred Mullins {sp?)
who did the FK series music did the music fort this series too! -- this
series and the "Psi Factor" seires currently on TNT mondays thru Fridays -
at 5:00 pm EDT -- has frequent 'visits' by FK folks as guests, in addition
to some as members of the regular cast! :)
So at 3pm, on SciFi Channel, "Friday the 13th: The Series", ep "The Butcher"
[from the 2nd Season 1988, ep #2-19, or ep #45, originally aired 4/29/1989]
with "Rausch/Walden" portrayed by Nigel Bennett [ya know, the EXTREMELY
talented actor who looks and sounds SOOOOO VERRRRY much like our very own
fav 2ooo year old Roman vampire, General Lucius a.k.a. Lucien LaCroix {{{in
case ya'll object to that description, well... how many other "2ooo year old
Roman vampires" do ya know? ...so, by process of elimination, since LC's
PROBABLY the only one... :)= ] and BTW, in this ep, NIGEL portrays a the
host of a RADIO PROGRAM... ummmm a NIGHT CRAWLER 'pre-quel'? ...
***And while I'm here...
for those who celebrate these... wishing you
a Blessed Passover!
and a Joyous Easter!
Angel a.k.a. Doña Angel
Devoted VaqDreaming Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious Spaniard/Proud
VaqBrat/INCArnate/#2 Defender of Brown-Eyed Vamps/with Urchin,Dark Hearts &
Immortal Beloveds Tendencies
Check out BBFC Web site: http://www.benbassfanclub.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:04:46 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Blood a la carte (was Cows and Lambs)
Stormborn: > Ack! <claps hand over Marel's mouth> Don't say things like
>that [pigs blood affecting vampires] in front of Kyer--we all know what she
>did with Nick's cactus; can you imagine what she'll do with pig's blood?!
"Nick? I brought you some more protein drinks. Nick? Nick! Where is he?"
Natalie wondered as she wandered into the living room spying a new
acquisition sitting in the middle of the room. "And when did he get a hot
tub for the loft?"--pokes finger into dark muck---"...and why is it full of
mud?"
Squealching noise as the head of a wet-earth plastered Nick surfaces from
the goo (hair still immaculately in place, btw).
"Oink."
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
"Sorry, about that Nat. It's just that ever since Janette brought me that
bottle of "mystery bloodwine" I've been having this urge for mudbaths..."
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:21:03 -0700
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: (PG) vampire sex
--- "D. K. Kraft" <cat@e.......> wrote:
> In other words, pretty woman walks by, male vampire's fantasy is blood,
not doing the wild thing.<
Perhaps because like I assumed before, drinking blood *is* the wild thing
for them. What ever we (mortals) consider as the 'wild thing' is probably
a minor foreplay to them. Does a human male ever fantasize about just
'kissing' a beautiful woman on the cheek when he sees one?
=====
Countess -- Devoted Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:21:00 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Blood a la carte (was Cows and Lambs)
In a message dated 4/13/01 10:05:51 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
kyer@p....... writes:
<< Squealching noise as the head of a wet-earth plastered Nick surfaces from
the goo (hair still immaculately in place, btw).
"Oink." >>
Ya see! And here Nick thought he'd never get to be like ordinary men.<weg>
:: running ::
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:29:24 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: (PG) vampire sex
> Does a human male ever fantasize about just
> 'kissing' a beautiful woman on the cheek when he sees one?
Yes. :-)
The desire that a person has is specific and often time
dependent. Is suspect that vampires are the same way.
Sometimes they want blood. Sometimes, something else.
It would depend upon the individual and their mood
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:32:49 -0700
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Professor Molly, Ahem!
--- StormBorn <smolly4@q.......> wrote:
> I've always assumed that one would feed first, then proceed to have sex,
then make the transition from plateau to climax with the second feeding.
With two vampires, both feedings could come from the same partner; with a
vampire and a mortal, the vampire would have to 'stock up' first, either
with a first kill or with bottled blood.<
Thanks for the thorough information Dr. Molly. Of course this is all
explained in further detail in her latest book "Vampire Anatomy and the
Physiological Patterns of Bloodsucking" that is being taught in
Universities all over the world.
**This was for the TV joke. ;-)
=====
Countess -- Devoted Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:08:19 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Odd fact spurs fanfic speculation
I just read the odd bit of trivia that, like fingerprints, everyone's
tongue print is different.
I can just see the Enforcers requiring all Vampires to register
their tongue prints so that they can identify the culprit of a
sloppy kill. <G>
Laurie of the Isles
UF/FKPagan/LaCroixsForum/Rainbow Knight/X-OK/Cellblock5
http://knightpassions.homestead.com/Knight_Passions.html
"They're not plot holes, they're fanfic opportunities." - Kelly, X-Phile
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