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FORKNI-L Digest - 27 Jan 2001 to 28 Jan 2001 (#2001-31)

Sun, 28 Jan 2001

There are 21 messages totalling 885 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Nick As Sire (4)
  2. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire]
  3. [Magic In FK Cannon] (7)
  4. Forgiveness (Was: Magic in FK cannon)
  5. Nick's Failures As A Sire (2)
  6. [Nick's Failures As A Sire]
  7. Raffle #30 - Book signed by Nick Knight
  8. Looking For Web Site & Author (2)
  9. The Lisa Ryder Fan Club
 10. Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:51:03 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick As Sire

Eric wrote and asked the list:
> her [Natalie's] first killing would cause her to have
> the kind of guilt that would impress even Nick. Your
> thoughts?

My thoughts?

LOL!

Nick:  <sniffle> Gee Nat, I feel awful.  This is--
Nat:  <thwak!> Oh, no you don't, buster!  I feel more awful about this than
you do!  *GOBS more! <sniffle/honk!>  And don't you ever forget it!>
Nick:  Sorry, Nat.
Nat: <sniffle/honk/thwak!>What did you say?
Nick: Um...
Nat:  Well, I'm twice as sorrier than you'll ever be---even without the
flashbacks with LaCroix to prove it! <sob>

Eyes all aglitter, Nick then drags her off the the wedding chapel becuase he
has at last found the woman of his dreams---someone who can wax angstful
worse than he.

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Please note that the above was a joke.  Kyer has already collected her quota
of thwak bruises for the month.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:55:54 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire]

> >>If I recall correctly, it was Sparky.
>
> It was, actually, Spark.

Sparky was Tracy's dog, but I thought the vampire's name was Spike.  I could
'a sworn there was a vampire named 'Spike' from somewhere...
(and no, David, I'm not thinking of *that* Spike! <g> This was a legitimate
episode Spike.)

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Although I can picture Nick teasing some fledgling with the unfortunate name
of 'Sparky'.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:25:15 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Hi Kyer,

<<I once knew a child adopted at birth who went into
hysterical screaming fits
whenever it came time to say goodbye.>>

I can relate to that, or more specifically, my son
can. since his mother and I separated two years ago,
he can't deal with families splitting up in any sense,
even in the movies. The courtroom scene in "Big Daddy"
upsets him terribly. Ditto the scene in the X-Men
movie where the young Magneto gets taken from his
mother. He'll fast forward through it. Though his
mother and I get on well, and I see him practically
every day, the idea of separation has done it's
damage. Fortunately, mom and dad are going to work on
it individually for as long as it takes. Quick FK tie
in: as a toddler, he loved the FK "He was brought
across..." intro, and would mouth the words till it
got to his favorite part, where you see the close-up
of Nick's head, fangs at the ready, and he'd raise his
arms up and do the lion's roar effect. Too cute for
words. <lol>

Considering your theory that it was the death of a
family member that scarred Nick, and that he wants
everything but is unaware of the fact, maybe it
wouldn't have to be the loss of a person, maybe the
loss of his humanity was enough to leave him walking
around feeling incomplete? Technically, a vampire
doesn't need the understated luxury Nick surrounds
himself with, so is it possible that he's in a state
of constant wanting (obsessive/compulsive behavior?)
to fill that gap? Ditto love and relationships, can he
really tap into loving someone as a vampire, the way
he once could as a human, knowing he'll bury her and
just continue on, but does it anyway, sort of going
through the motions, because it's the "human thing to
do"? Is he, in a sense, "affecting" love, more because
it fills that gap, than actually feeling the emotion?

Eric

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:13:53 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick As Sire

Extremis wrote:

> going to live on afterwards? Nick would've steered him
> towards cow's blood, but meanwhile Nat didn't want
> Nick drinking any blood at all. How would she have
> handled her brother's vampirism in the long run?

This isi a very good point.  I think she figured (assuming she was thingking
at all) that Richard wouldn't really change.  At that wpiont she really
handn't seen any other vmapires and  ahve no no idea how much Nick ahd told
her about the chagnes a person undergoes .  She was trying to find a cure
for NIck becasue *he* wanted it, not because she saw anything wrong with it.
I can't remember if Nick ahd told her anything about all the centuries of
hunting and killing - and enjoying at least some aspets of it.  She saw only
a good man trying to change soemthing aobut himhe didin't like, not the
beast he felt he was.  Even in the morgue when they first met, he could have
killed her to get the blood he neededd, but he didn't.  He strugtgled with
it as I remember, but overcame the urge.

I think she would have included her brohter in the plans for the cure she
was still sure she could find.  I also think it interesting that when she
saw what Richard ahd become - running amok and taking the law into his own
hands - she had no real objection to NIck killing him.  Like NIck she didn't
seem to wnat to give him a second chance.

>what was the episode where she sought out another
> vampire to bring her across? Was that vamp's name
> "Scar"?

The ep ws "A more Permanent Hell" and was about the rection when a meteor
was projected to hit earth.  Nat sought out anotherh vampire (Spark) after
Nick refused to bring her across when she asked him to out fo fear of dying
int he meteor crash.  This adds to Extremis' argument about ehr emotions
getting int he way, IMHO.

> Unless Nat had the kind of incredible control that would mean her very first
> feeding would be a swig of cows blood, and nothing else ever, her first
> killing would cause her to have the kind of guilt that would impresseven Nick.

Again, I wonder how much Nat knew about the craving for human blood.  It's
not until "Fever"  (or is if "Francesca"?) that Nick gives her that
incredible speech about how seductive drinking human blood is.  I think it's
the first time she realizes just what Nick has been struggling against for a
century or so.  Before then, her knowledge was more cerebral than visceral.

I also think that Nat would be flexible enough to accept drinking human
blood.  Killing to obtain it might be a different matter, but I think all of
the arguments listed here show her to be quit pragmatic - at least about
vampirism.

Barb

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:46:51 -0500
From:    Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: Forgiveness (Was: Magic in FK cannon)

*De-lurking*

Jeannie wrote:

>Perhaps he needed to be forgiven.  His faith in God was a strong theme
>with him.  He felt he'd turned away and had to work for his forgiveness.
>The Bible says ask and you shall receive.  If he would simply ask that
>might be his "cure".

For a truly excellent story that asks this very question, try Jean Graham's
"A State of Grace." I don't have the URL for her fiction page handy, but it
may also be archived at the ftp site or fkfanfic.com.

It's well worth the read.

Cindy Ingram
<cgi271@a.......>

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:47:05 -0500
From:    Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Failures As A Sire

Delurking yet again ...

(I have a free weekend for a change. Woo-hoo! <g>)

Eric wrote:

>It was an immediate assumption, and maybe a little premature. The doctor
>was still coming to grips with the change. Of course he was overwhelmed
>and drunk on his new abilities <SNIP> I think Nick wanted to create
>vampires that were carbon copies of himself, which was pretty
>unrealistic.

This is a very good point and especially could have applied in the case of
Elizabeth (the leper). But when Nick brought the doctor across, was he
really that disappointed when he started killing people, or was it more
that he feared the doctor's recklessness might expose the existence of
vampires and put them all in danger? I ask this because it's been so long
since I've seen the ep that I really don't remember.

Eric also wrote:

>Nick on the other hand immediate felt let down by his children when they
>didn't turn out like him-with their connection to their humanity still
>intact. <SNIP> More so than LaCroix, I think Nick wanted to create
>vampires that were carbon copies of himself, which was pretty
>unrealistic.

Isn't it interesting we never saw Nick bring across someone while he was
truly reveling in his vampiric existence? It's very possible he did so, but
we'll never know. He failed with Alyssa, so the closest example we have is
when Nick converted the doctor. But while he seemed comfortable and
reasonably content with being a vampire at that point in time, his motive
for doing it was pretty altruistic.

Do you think Nick might have converted someone during his really "dark
days" (he offered to bring Joan of Arc across, but she turned him down),
and if so, would their chances for survival have been any better? Why or
why not?

And does making a successful fledgling *always* take extensive guidance and
instruction? Vachon and the Inca were left to their own devices after just
one night with their master. Were they the rare exception to the rule, or
has Nick just been unlucky in his overall (known) track record?

For what it's worth, I don't think Nick really had the heart to be a "good"
master vampire (provided you define "good" by Lacroix's example) or the
necessary mindset. But I also think if his choices had been more carefully
thought out, instead of impulsive acts, he might have had more documented
successes.

On the other hand, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect converts to
have *some* semblance of self control, once they're past the first hunger.
A sense of self-preservation alone would seem to dictate that. (Especially
since there's good reason to assume that LC has converted more than one
individual, then basically left them on their own.)

But in the cases of Richard Lambert and Elizabeth, could it be that they
both had individual failings that would have eventually led to their own
downfall, regardless of what Nick's parenting abilities may or may not have
been? We don't really know much about Elizabeth's pre-vampire personality
(except that she was beautiful and apparently used to getting what she
wanted), but Richard was demonstrably headstrong and prone to always
playing the hero (or, as a vampire, the avenging angel) -- thus his
nickname, "The White Knight."

These might be easier questions to answer if the only two vampire parenting
examples we have weren't at opposite ends of the spectrum -- Lacroix and
Vachon's master. (I don't count Vachon because we never saw exactly how he
handled Urs' conversion. Did he take an active approach, or did she learn
by example while traveling with The Crew?)

Ah, yes. And then there's Divia. But let's not go there. <g>

Cindy Ingram
<cgi271@a.......>

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:48:22 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Eric wrote:  maybe the
> loss of his humanity was enough to leave him walking
> around feeling incomplete?Technically, a vampire
> doesn't need the understated luxury Nick surrounds
> himself with, so is it possible that he's in a state
> of constant wanting (obsessive/compulsive behavior?)
> to fill that gap?

I like that term:  'a state of constant wanting'.  The state of constantly
feeling incomplete and in need of a replacement to fill the gap.  (Kyer
looks around at the gazillion nicknacks taking up every available niche of
the free space in her room and rolls her eyes.  Dare she go there? <g>)

I agree.  Be it loss of a person, place, or thing, Nicholas is definitely
feeling bereft of something.  Probably love--though not necessarily romantic
love, though he clearly tends towards that (Janette/Natalie/Emily/fill in
name of female).  It could be the perceived loss of God's love.
(Kyer mental ramblings.  Pay no mind.)
Nicholas turned from the Light for lack of God's Love
LaCroix turned from the Light for lack of fatherly love
Janette turned from the Light for lack of spousal love
Vachon turned from the Light for lack of brotherly love

Now there's an interesting thought.
Did Vachon turn from the Light soley because he hated the Peruvian natives?
Or did he not see a Guide and get offered a Choice?
Maybe not everyone *gets* offered the Choice?  In which case, why were
Janette and Nick offered it?  (I am not including anyone else in that
question because I don't recall LC saying that *he* had seen a Guide---just
Janette asking if Nick had gone to the Light as *she* had.)

This is straining my braincell too much.
Must have fic to ease the pain.
'Scuse me while I go browsing...

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:52:26 EST
From:    Tammie Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

In a message dated 1/27/01 4:25:56 PM Mountain Standard Time,
e_blanco1@y....... writes:

<< <> >>

I dont mean to sound like a major bitch but if he has fits when it comes time
to say goodbye, and he was adopted at birth, one has nothing to do with the
other. A baby's attention span is about 30 seconds. I myself was adopted.
Believe me, if he has a fit when he has to say goodbye to something, its not
because he was taken from his mother at birth, it has to do with some other
trama that happened.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:39:29 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Failures As A Sire

Cindy Ingram wrote:

> Vachon's master. (I don't count Vachon because we never saw exactly how he
> handled Urs' conversion. Did he take an active approach, or did she learn
> by example while traveling with The Crew?)
>
In either case, Vachon didn't leave Urs by herself to work out her problems,
nor did he kill her because she wasn't as happy go lucky as he seemed to be.
I think that says something for his interest in parenting.  And doesn't he
say something about Urs being better than she had bee?  That seems to show
that he took an interest in her even if we don't know if he taught her
directly.

> Ah, yes. And then there's Divia. But let's not go there. <g>
>
Maybe we do need to talk about Divia.  She seems to have spent twenty years
or so with LaCroix, presumable teaching him...stuff.  He seems very content
with his life until Divia makes her "request".  Granted, I would expect LC
to handle being a vampire more easily that, say, Nick, but he seems to know
quite a bit of information - like putting Divia in the sarcophagus to keep
her from regenerating (or so he thought).

I just wondered.  How did LaCroix not know that Divia wanted him to become
her lover?  Had she not taught him the lessons about reading another
vampires thoughts or had they not shared blood in a while?

Barb

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:27:06 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Nick's Failures As A Sire]

Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......> wrote:
Well, Divia was probably too busy plotting evil to bother with teaching LC
much of anything.

Uh, oh, I just had a hilarious mental image:

LC: "What are we going to do tonight, Divia?"
Divia, in a really snide tone: "The same thing we do every night, Father dear.
Try to take over the world!"

Emily

Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......> wrote:

How did LaCroix not know that Divia wanted him to become
her lover?  Had she not taught him the lessons about reading another
vampires thoughts or had they not shared blood in a while?

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:26:09 -0500
From:    "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Raffle #30 - Book signed by Nick Knight

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2167/raffle.htm

Forever Knight Geographically-Challenged Raffle

Congratulations to the Winner of Raffle #29
Adrian Wilhite of Vincennes, Indiana

CURRENT RAFFLE # 30

Begins: January 27th, 2001
Ends: February 16th, 2001
Item: Forever Knight novel signed by Geraint Wyn Davies as Nick Knight
This copy of "Forever Knight: Intimations of Mortality" was signed by
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there's a twist - Ger signed the book "Love, Nick Knight." So this copy of
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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:53:09 EST
From:    KWest37234@a.......
Subject: Re: Looking For Web Site & Author

 I have lost the addy for Jeri Friedman's web site. Please, could some one
send it to me. I am also looking for the follow-up story to "Girl's Night
Out" for a friend that is new to FK fan fiction. I know that I read it
several years ago, but can't remember who wrote it, let alone the title (old
age has set in!)

             Thanks,
                      Kim

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 06:31:18 -0500
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Kyer wrote:

>Did Vachon turn from the Light soley because he hated the Peruvian natives?
>Or did he not see a Guide and get offered a Choice?

My guess is, the promise of eternal life was just to good an offer
for him to pass up.

--
elighton@b.......
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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:53:54 -0800
From:    Tiff Petherbridge <gugenhoffen@j.......>
Subject: The Lisa Ryder Fan Club

So here's the deal.  The past several weeks, I've been sick as a dog.
Couldn't do much more than walk from my bed to the front room to turn on
the tv and 'puter.  What better time than to work on the LRFC page?!?

So, it's 2 or so weeks later, I'm feeling great and the Lisa Ryder Fan
Club page has been revamped!

Due to popular demand, I've scrapped the frames, but the page is just as
easy to navigate. The pics in the image galleries have been thumbnailed
for easy downloadiness. And I've added the new members.

And whenever I get the scanner working again, I will be adding fan
pictures that many of you have been kind enough to send for the page.

*bounce*

I'm happy. HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

So anyway... GO! Check out the page. It is the ultimate in snaz.

Hoohah!
"Evil Tiff" Petherbridge
Webmistress/Co-President of the Lisa Ryder Fan Club
http://www.geocities.com/lisaryderfanclub/

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:23:41 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Looking For Web Site & Author

<<I have lost the addy for Jeri Friedman's web site.>>

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/darkknight/314/fiction.html

<< Looking for Girl's Night Out Sequel>>

I don't know about the sequel.  However, there are two stories by this
title.  One is by Stormynite and the other is by Diane Echelbarger.

=====
Desiree

UFfer, UA, UT, NNpacker

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:23:05 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Hi Emily,

<<Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in
FK involving any sort of magic, even just a mention of
it?  Possibly in Nick's search for a cure?>>

How about the Black Buddha statuette? I think it was
supposed to grant one wish to it's owner...?

Eric

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:54:54 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Hi Sandra,

<<That said, *if* Janette truly became mortal for a
time, I don't think there's any evidence that there
might not be a scientific reason behind it.>>

In "Amateur Night", a mental disorder overrode
vampirism, at least temporarily. Could severe mental
trauma-like Jeanette's grief over Robert's
death-temporarily override it too? It was at that
moment, screaming in grief ("eight centuries of
repressed emotion being released"), that she changed
back. Question: maybe Jeanette whammied herself into
believing she was human, including in it a trigger
that would make her revert back if necessary and
including that she forget her self-hypnosis and the
trigger when she snapped herself out of it? So, when
she "died" at the end, could the death only have
resulted in her snapping out of the hypnosis, and she
reverted back to her vampire self, death being the
trigger she supplied for herself to regain her vampire
side?

Whew!
Eric

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:17:56 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Hi all,

This post was returned to me because the text was to
similar to another post, at least that's the message I
got, and it was suggested I change some of the text
(hence this intro) and re-post it. I haven't seen it
on the daily digest, so I'm hoping I'm not
double-posting here.

"Hi Emily,

<<Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in
FK involving any sort of magic, even just a mention of
it?  Possibly in Nick's search for a cure?>>

How about the Black Buddha statuette? I think it was
supposed to grant one wish to it's owner...?

Eric"

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:31:46 -0600
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick As Sire

At 09:24 AM 1/27/01 -0800, Extremis wrote:
>...vampirism became an option whenever her emotions ran off the scale.
>Unless Nat had the kind of incredible control that would mean her very
>first feeding would be a swig of cows blood, and nothing else ever,

And given what you pointed out about her emotions, it's unlikely she would
have had that kind of control.

>her first killing would cause her to have the kind of guilt that would
>impress even Nick.

Exactly.  The other question is, how would Nick have reacted to this, given
his own feelings about killing and how he reacted to his other children
when they killed?

Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:53:51 -0800
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick As Sire

Hi Everyone:

And here's another question...What if LC had
brought back Alyssa (Nick's 17th cent. wife) back
and then, she went beserk?  What would he have
done then?

Another question (more towards Natalie and cow
blood)--What happens if Nat were to drink from a
cow with "Mad Cow" disease????  Interesting....

Oh well, I've caused enough trouble for now. <g>

Later

David

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