FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 16 Jan 2001 to 17 Jan 2001 (#2001-18)

Wed, 17 Jan 2001

There are 21 messages totalling 696 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Bon Bons (was Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes))
  2. Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes) (2)
  3. Looks like FK is gone from SciFi (5)
  4. Horrorscopes (2)
  5. Lacroix Mortalfied (6)
  6. Rose is sick
  7. Screedspeak and Klingon vampires
  8. Catching that thing that is going around....
  9. Forever Knight Music Video
 10. Toronto(ish) question - DWI vs. DUI; also, Coroner vs ME

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:26:43 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Bon Bons (was Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes))

Bonnie Kate:
<snip> I cannot speak for The Rutledge, but for myself all I can say is,
"Try it, General, and you'll get a chop stick where it will definitely
leave a scorch mark!"  (Just ask Vachon!!)<snip>

I'm thinking, if I'm part junk food, part force to be reckoned with, the
least I can do if I'm drained is cause a vamp's face break out!
That'd teach 'em to watch what they ate!

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge............<br1035@i.......>............Single and
Fabulous!
       "Afghanistan banana stand." - Donald E. Westlake, 'The Hot Rock'
    "Oh, and there's *so much* quicksand in New York City!" - Cousin Jules

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:23:29 -0500
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)

>[Kyer warily sticks her head up from her hidey hole in order to declare:]

I thought you were in Arizona, not Oklahoma!  Sounds like we got "Kyer the
Prairie Dog" here! LOL!

>Or is that only because nobody can *understand* [Screed] well enough to discover
>if Screed has issues? <eg>

LOL!

>[before ducking back down before she can be hit by more flying scrunchies]

Or maybe you should be watching out for one of those "Whack-a-Mole"
mallets! "g"

Hope our resident jester (and my moody mentor) is feeling better!

Portia

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:55:03 -0500
From:    "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Looks like FK is gone from SciFi

It looks like the Forever Knight page is gone from the SciFi.com series
listing.

The Forums are still there.

susanmgarrett@e.......  -- http://home.earthlink.net/~susanmgarrett/
EVER Faithful Ravenette. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2167/fiction.htm
"Friends help you move.  Real friends help you move bodies."

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:52:10 EST
From:    BKBVA@a.......
Subject: Re: Looks like FK is gone from SciFi

In a message dated 1/16/2001 6:47:27 PM EST, susanmgarrett@e.......
writes:

> It looks like the Forever Knight page is gone from the SciFi.com series
>  listing.

However, the SciFi FK webpage is still up.  Of course, it could just be that
Scifi is notoriously slow at removing outdated material (recently, I noticed
that the Creature's page from sometime last May was still there <g>), but
it's nice that it's still there:  http://www.scifi.com/fknight

Beth
bkbva@a.......

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:57:18 -0800
From:    Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

At 05:00 PM 1/16/01 -0500, someone wrote:
>>><snip>I simply can't see Nick having anything to do with Urs,
>>> a rather (IMO, of course) vacuous child-woman.

Cindy replied:
>Which is why I can see a friendship developing, but not much else.
<snip>
>Oddly enough, I *can* see Urs with Lacroix, though again, I'm not convinced
>it would lead to serious or long-lasting feelings for either one of them.

Physically speaking, Nick may have issues which LaCroix doesn't, but
intellectually don't you think if Urs would bore Nick, that she'd bore LaCroix
as well?  Seems to me after 2000 years it would take more than a good roll in
the hay to float someone's boat.

And I have to say that I think Nick is LESS likely to mistreat Urs, and less
likely to be an enabler, than LaCroix is.  LaCroix likes to be in control, to
out wit, to dominate -- we've seen this time and time again in the series.  He
even holds sway over Janette who is far, far older and stronger than Urs is.  If
anyone is like the men who have used Urs in the past, it's LaCroix.  If there is
one man Urs should stay away, at least sexually, it's LaCroix.

>I'm not really sure why I can see them together so easily. Maybe it has
>something to do with the old cliche that opposites attract? <g>

They may attract, but that doesn't mean that the relationship would be a healthy
one, especially not for Urs.  She needs a man who will respect her, treat her as
an equal, and allow her to figure out her own problems.  That is, if she even
needs a man at all at this point in her life.

You all do realize that, in the last couple of days, we have spent more time
talking about Urs than she actually had of screen time!!  Oh, the irony.

Cindy also added:
>However, Dorothy Elggren wrote an excellent story exploring this very
>theme. It's called "The Darkness of the Soul."

Does anyone else know of more Urs related FK Fiction??  I'd appreciate titles
and URLs!

Bonnie Kate
<callalily@l.......>

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:57:21 -0800
From:    Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied

At 05:00 PM 1/16/01 -0500, Laurie of the Isles wrote:
><< Bonnie Kate >>
>
>As opposed to Plain Kate ? <g>

Actually as opposed to Bonnie Rutledge -- not that I'm opposed to Bonnie
Rutledge herself, just to being confused with her.  We are our own Bonnies!
And, not readily interchangeable, if you pay attention.  I mean, she actually
*likes* LaCroix whereas I would *like* to stake him with something sharp and
wooden (doesn't really matter what, I'm fairly flexible on this point).

>Laurie of the Isles
>Who is thankful you are not Kate the Cursed. <g>

Are you sure I'm not?  I don't think Vachon or the Vaqueros are. ;-)  Then again
this is precisely why I am not called Kirsten -- my grandmother hated the name
and threatened to call me Curse.  So, instead, my mother named me after a child
who died of a broken neck caused by falling from her horse.  Go figure.

Bonnie Kate
callalily@l.......

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:29:03 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)

Bonnie Kate wrote:

<snip> It's not that I don't agree with you here, it's just that, well, I
don't exactly agree with you here.<snip>

Hey, after reading what you wrote, *I* don't exactly agree with me!

<snip>Speaking about Urs, Vachon says to Nick, "She's like she was when I first
met her." That statement says to me that Urs has behaved differently between the
time she was brought across and now.  Vachon seems surprised and disappointed by
the reversion in Urs.  Maybe working at the Raven triggered it for her. <snip>

I like this line of supposition. Sure, there's lots of 'maybes,' but you have a
quote to support it! Quotes are important, especially when they're from Vachon!

Plus, the idea of supressing bad memories or a painful childhood is not a
controversial concept. Nick's played Ye Olde Denial game plenty, and we can see
some of the same phenomena going on with Janette in 'A Fate Worse Than Death'
and LaCroix in 'A More Permanent Hell' and 'Ashes to Ashes.' It's a pattern,
isn't it? Vampire mosies along, business as usual, when, all of the sudden, a
homicide case, abused prostitute, natural disaster or demon daughter drives them
to stressful flashbacks and it affects their behavior. Why should Urs be the
exception to the series rule? But this is basically a rehash of the point you
were getting to about the need for a good vampire shrink in Toronto.

<snip>I know it sounds weird but sometimes being close to someone as messed up
as yourself is more like a kick in the head and it actually allows you to
finally look inside to solve your own emotional problems.
>
> Then again, it can also just be an awful, painful, destructive mess.<snip>

Which is why I can't embrace 'Les Mis' embracing. They're Humpty Dumpty
sitting on the wall. Sure, it might make for a nice view, but if somebody
takes a fall, they're broken, and the other one's left treading eggshells
if they ever get down.

<snip>My point exactly.  After all, he has Janette to understand the vampire part
of him and Nat to understand his desire to be human, but he doesn't have someone
who can truly understand the hardship of a vampire who wants to become mortal.
<snip>

Oh! Oh! This reminds me! Wasn't there some kind of theory, an "I don't take
killing as lightly as you, Vachon" idea that Urs has never killed a mortal?
Like, she's modern enough to have made it by the bottled blood suppliers
alone? Okay, that would be something about her that might fascinate Nick
beyond a 'pretector' role.

<snip>That's why there are physiologists and AA meetings and Weight Watchers
and all those other things which help people make the changes to their lives
they want to make but just haven't been able to on their own, for whatever
reasons.<snip>

Oh, but a doctor can easily say, 'Your cholesterol is too high. Take this pill
and eat less ice cream." He can't swallow for you, though, and he can't eat for
you. He can only offer his expertise. Likewise, a sponsor can lead you through
steps, give you advice, and encourage. The person with the problem can be
self-aware of what they're doing ('I'm bingeing and purging.' 'I'm drinking.'
'I'm high.' 'I'm draining a cow.' 'I'm letting myself be used and abused.') and
the reason they're doing it ( 'I wan't control.' 'I want to dull the pain.'
'I'm lonely.' 'I want to forget.' 'I want to feel loved.'), but still fall into
a pattern of doing better for a time, then falling off a wagon. I've
heard many recovering addicts and people with eating disorders speak about
'a moment of clarity' (Probably heard it on 'Oprah,' too <g>), when
their perspective shifts, and suddenly what seemed insurmountable and
inescapable becomes manageable, something they can achieve, forgive or forget.

Okay, maybe counselors and hearing the stories of people with common issues
are important contributions to inspiring that moment, hence the existence of
group therapy. I still insist that the moment itself is a private and personal
thing. That's why I keep spouting that Nick and Urs have to find their own
happiness. It's the old 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't
make him drink' philosophy.

<snip> Ah, yeah, you could look at it this way, and it's an awfully good way to
look at things, but there are other ways to look at it, too.  Most suicidal people
will fight when someone else tries to harm them, or will even save themselves
with some unconscious movement while trying to commit suicide -- it's an
instinct, self-preservation, and it's HARD to override.<snip>

Yeah, I thought about that argument, but I really, really didn't like it!
You may have noticed throughout all my fussing that, at the end of the
day, I like my female characters empowered! None of that Ophelia drowning
crap for me! No Tosca jumping off the parapet! (If only she'd turned around
and taken a couple of those soldiers who executed Cavaradossi with her!)
And Desdemona - well, there's unconditional love, and then there's just
being a twit. It's my hangup - I don't want Urs to act on instinct or
out of virtue. I want her to have that epiphany, to experience a surge
of delight and pride that she's alive. I want her to act, not react.
I don't want that *HISS* to mean "I'm afraid," but "I'm not afraid, you
pipsqueak, daddy-loving bitch!"

Okay, so I'm getting carried away, but that scenario makes Urs' ultimate death
truly bittersweet, and I like that motivation for the character SOOO much
better.

<snip> >"Well, they don't write dramas about young girls who settle for the
> >adventure that is mutual respect..." - Sarah Vowell, 'Take the Cannoli'
>
> This is a rather interesting sig line quote, Bonnie, considering our topic
here.  Rather appropriate to Urs.  Would she have just been another Alma or
Brianna, or Miklos for that matter, if not for "Hearts of Darkness"?<snip>

Absolutely! That episode gave Urs dimension, actual foundation for discussion.
Alma and Brianna, Bourbon, Thomas Monroe, Daniel, Feliks Twist, Aristotle, The
Enforcers, Alexandra, Francesca - whatever we cook up to say about their past is
really so much speculation, because their screen time gave so little fodder. The
only reason I don't lump Miklos in there is he at least has the peccadillo of
appearing in one episode as a vamp and one as cross-friendly whatever.

<snip> Again, I say, so many possibilities, so many potential storylines, cut
down in their prime by SSPTB (Short-Sighted Powers That Be)!<snip>

Oh, yes! I'd have loved a flash of the 1000 year gap in LaCroix's
past before Janette came along, and an episode devoted to Natalie, and
a pre-conquistador flashback for Vachon, some Crusades footage for Nick,
more Bourbon, a highlight of Screed's art days with Andy Warhol...<g>
After reading that 3rd season coverage Susan G. posted on the web, I could
have sobbed for the two 'Lost Boys' we never met, Katopa especially.
During all those 3rd season Raven scenes, I tell myself, "Yeah, that's
supposed to be Chong's band onstage! They didn't abandon her character
entirely!"

Oh, well. That's why we have fanfic, isn't it? For the stories that were
never told, but should have been. (Not that the definition applies to
half of mine. Screed in Lycra Speedos, indeed!)

<snip> Bonnie Kate, happy to discuss just about anything with Bonnie Rutledge
just about any ol' time! :-)<snip>

I feel the same!

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge............<br1035@i.......>............Single and
Fabulous!
       "Afghanistan banana stand." - Donald E. Westlake, 'The Hot Rock'
    "Oh, and there's *so much* quicksand in New York City!" - Cousin Jules

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:24:38 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied

Bonnie Kate wrote:

<snip> Actually as opposed to Bonnie Rutledge -- not that I'm opposed to Bonnie
Rutledge herself, just to being confused with her.  We are our own Bonnies!  And,
not readily interchangeable, if you pay attention.  I mean, she actually *likes*
LaCroix whereas I would *like* to stake him with something sharp and wooden
(doesn't really matter what, I'm fairly flexible on this point).<snip>

And the desire for identity can have far reaching consequences! Back when I
simply lurked on the lists (I think the first thing I posted was discussion just
after 'Last Knight' aired. How could I have remained quiet through that?!?!),
I considered myself first and foremost a Vaquera. BUT there was already
a significant and clever Bonnie presence in the Vaqueras (Bonnie Kate, natch).
What's a strong personality to do??? Be a Cousin, of course!!!
('Cuz I *wouldn't* stake him unless it involved a threat to my shoe
collection or I found out he was a Dook basketball fan. A gal has to
have standards.)

Does anyone really want to imagine what things would have been like if I
hadn't become a Cousin? *shrieks*

The Horror! The Horror!

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge............<br1035@i.......>............Single and
Fabulous!
       "Afghanistan banana stand." - Donald E. Westlake, 'The Hot Rock'
    "Oh, and there's *so much* quicksand in New York City!" - Cousin Jules

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:27:02 -0700
From:    Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: Rose is sick

Rose lies on her living room floor, bored out of her mind, with just too
little energy to move.  Looking disgustedly at the pile of tissues next
to her, she dreams of those little blue dimatap pills that worked so well
in the past.  Unfortuately, they have been removed from stores in the
US.  Looking at her computer, she thinks, "Maybe someone in Canada can
get some!"  Struggling against her tired body and stopping several times
to blow her nose, Rose gets to the computer and types in a desperate call
for help.  Hoping that some kind Canadian or anyone else outside the US
on the FK list can help her....

Please.  Help make a happy ending for this story.  Thanks! :)

                                            'Rose

Rome was not built by holding committe meetings. It was done by killing
all those who opposed them.

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:16:51 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Screedspeak and Klingon vampires

In a message dated 1/14/01 5:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, JKocich@a.......
writes:

<< You don't think FK Wars are psychologically and intellectually
 draining enough without adding a bilingual element?! >>

The wars are already bilingual -English and Screedspeak!
Casting T. F. Stone

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:18:57 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Catching that thing that is going around....

In a message dated 1/14/01 5:59:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, kyer@p.......
writes:

<< I've been sitting here commiserating with my blankets and heating pad,
 wondering if maybe this virus *is* affecting my mind if everyone seemsed to
 think my thoughts were looney tunes. >>

Man, oh man. I just got sick, too!  Is it a computer virus from Forkni-L???
Casting T. F. Stone

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:52:15 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied

I wrote:

<< >As opposed to Plain Kate ? <g>

 callalily@l....... responded

<< Actually as opposed to Bonnie Rutledge

 >Laurie of the Isles
 >Who is thankful you are not Kate the Cursed. <g>

<< Are you sure I'm not? >>

Okay, they say you should never explain a joke, but I was
referring to a passage from Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew"

Petruchio: Good morrow, Kate; for that's your name, I hear.

  Kath.  Well have you heard, but something hard of hearing:
They call me Katharine that do talk of me.

  Pet.  You lie, in faith; for you are call'd plain Kate,
And bonny Kate, and sometimes Kate the curst;
But, Kate, the prettiest Kate in Christendom;

If you already knew this...in the words of Emily Littele:
"Never mind."  <g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:01:56 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Looks like FK is gone from SciFi

<< In a message dated 1/16/2001 6:47:27 PM EST, susanmgarrett@e.......
 writes:

 > It looks like the Forever Knight page is gone from the SciFi.com series
 >  listing.

And In a message dated 1/16/01 4:53:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
BKBVA@a....... writes:

 However, the SciFi FK webpage is still up. >>

Huh?  These two statements are mutually contradictory.

Laurie if the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:12:46 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied

In a message dated 1/16/01 7:20:12 PM Central Standard Time,
br1035@i....... writes:

> Does anyone really want to imagine what things would have been like if I
>  hadn't become a Cousin? *shrieks*

Uhr, ya'd 'ave become the second h'in uncommand o' the Ratpackers 'stead o'
me??? Ya'd 'ad me glory o' bein' the mostest o' the ratsie sorts (next to
Johnsie, leader o' the pack, o' course). YA'D 'ad gotten the Ratsie Wot Kilt
Screed an' slept wit' h'it beneath yar pillow h'at noight?

>
>  The Horror! The Horror!
The RATSIES, THE RATSIES!

Libs

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:15:59 EST
From:    BrandyKitt@a.......
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied

In a message dated 01/16/2001 9:53:16 PM Central Standard Time,
Laudon1965@a....... writes:

> Okay, they say you should never explain a joke, but I was
>  referring to a passage from Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew"

Oh, can you imagine Nick as Petruchio and Nat as Katherine?
But would Janette be Bianca?  And Lacroix as the father of the
two ladies?

Evelyn Duncan

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:46:17 -0600
From:    Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied

Evelyn wrote:

>>Oh, can you imagine Nick as Petruchio

No, but I can imagine Ger as Petruchio.  <G>

Carpe Noctem,

Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:57:33 -0500
From:    Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

Portia wrote:

>Cindy, chicklet!  For a women who was on the verge of being swamped out of
>the list, this was a pretty long, well-thought out post!

Well, no one's ever accused me of being short-winded, that's fershure. <g>

And thank you!

>>>Aside from being remarkably good-looking with undeniable charm, there's a
>very warm, caring, witty, courageous, cultured, talented, intelligent,
>good-hearted person there.<<
>
>Mmm-hmmmm -- exactly the reasons why Nat and I both have found long-term
>interest in the guy! "g"

Hey! Get in line! It starts right here. <g>

>I also want to second your recommendation of Dorothy's story (heck, I
>recommend *all* of D.E.'s story -- girl can WRITE! "g").

Indeed she can! And for the flip side (those who favor a N&N relationship),
check out her stories "Somewhere" and "Somehow." <weg>

Also, for a nifty (and delightfully whimsical) Nick story, try Dorothy's
"Curiouser Still ..."

>As those of you
>who know me can attest, I seem to be drawn to just about any relationship
>faction for Nick,<snip>

Don't look now, Portia, but I think your secret's out.

Which makes me wonder, with so many relationship factions connected to FK
(and new ones being formed all the time), is there any place we would draw
the line -- one that would simply make the mind boggle? I'm talking only
about relationships (or potential relationships) that don't already have an
existing faction.

For my money, I just can't see Screed and Sydney working out. Too much
competition there, not only for Natalie (right, Libs?), but also for those
juicy little ratsies. <g>

>>Now if you'll excuse me, I'd better get back to that list of 1,001 Things
>>to Get Done Before the End of the Week. <g>
>
>Oh girl, I wish at least one of those Things were to write some FK fic --

Actually, that's on *next* week's list. <g>

>you know I love your stuff!  Be well.

Aw, shucks ...

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Date:    Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:11:15 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Looks like FK is gone from SciFi

<< It looks like the Forever Knight page is gone from the SciFi.com
> series  listing.>>
>

I disagree!!!  While, it may take SCIFI awhile to bring FK back, I believe
it will happen if we are persistent.

A good example is Battlestar Galactica.  SciFi took it off their line up
for a few years and now it is back again, without fan prompting.

So, if we keep at them we should get it back sooner rather then later.

Desiree

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:00:41 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Looks like FK is gone from SciFi

In a message dated 1/16/01 11:13:48 PM Central Standard Time,
fkforever@y....... writes:

> I disagree!!!  While, it may take SCIFI awhile to bring FK back, I believe
>  it will happen if we are persistent.

Susan said it was off their WEBPAGE, she didn't say it was gone for good ;-)

>
>  A good example is Battlestar Galactica.  SciFi took it off their line up
>  for a few years and now it is back again, without fan prompting.

Actually, there WAS fan prompting here, I believe. Apparently quite a bit of
it. I wasn't involved in it, but have friends who were.

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:01:06 -0600
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Forever Knight Music Video

Greetings fans of the Knight,

I have just made my very first Forever Knight music video! It's under the
new Music Videos section, in the Movies index. These include cool effects,
songs from FK, and combined scenes from the series, all put together.

The first one I made, features mixed scenes of Nick giving in to his hunger
for blood and also the passion from his many loves. These scenes are
combined with FK's "The Hunger," as the background music. It is about 3
minutes in length and about 30 megs, so it will take a while to download
(make sure you have signed up with freedrive.com to download this movie,
along with a couple others I have stored there). Please be patient. It's
really cool and I think you'll like it. :)

The next music videos I make will be dedicated to Nick and Janette, then
Nick and Nat, and more!

I hope you like it & please tell me what you think,
Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:07:07 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Toronto(ish) question - DWI vs. DUI; also, Coroner vs ME

I'm not in Toronto, but here in Western Canada, we don't usually use either
abbreviation; instead, we talk about "impaired driving", as in "Constable
Smith was guilty of impaired driving in an accident which killed two other
people. He was on his way home from a barbecue held by the head of the
police Traffic department." (Sad but true!)

Also, in Canada we don't do roadside sobriety tests, which I gather is what
happens in the States. Instead, you are asked to blow into a Breathalyzer,
which tells the officer your blood alcohol level. It is an offence to
refuse to take a Breathalyzer test.

Coroner or ME? Well, in Ontario, they are officially called coroners (
http://www.pace.gov.on.ca/paceweb/owa/intersrv_en.disp_service_unit?IN_UNIT_ID=UNT0004901)
but in at least three provinces (Alberta, Manitoba, Nova Scotia) they are
officially Medical Examainers. So Nat's job title is Coroner, but she could
easily be called an ME by a cop who doesn't care about the bureaucratic
niceties.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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