FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 14 Jan 2001 to 15 Jan 2001 (#2001-16)
Mon, 15 Jan 2001
There are 27 messages totalling 740 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Screedspeak and Klingon vampires
2. Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes) (3)
3. Lacroix Mortalfied (4)
4. Help with titles/position (4)
5. Bon Bons (was Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)) (2)
6. Tracy on Andromeda
7. author search
8. ADMIN: FORKNI-L RULES
9. Horrorscopes
10. Magic 8 Ball (3)
11. Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes) (5)
12. FK at Scifi
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:55:32 EST
From: Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: Re: Screedspeak and Klingon vampires
> Will the next war be intergalactic in nature - FK(lingons) in Space?
Dear Casting:
You don't think FK Wars are psychologically and intellectually
draining enough without adding a bilingual element?!
As for <koff koff> cross-overs, they are <koff koff> prohibited
according to the rules of FK Wars <gosh, I wonder what's
gotten into me with all this coughing? I'll have to find myself
a nice quiet desert island somewhere for some R+R>.
Subtextually yours,
Julia
jkocich@a.......
UF list cobra
"It is wonderful to be despised, if, deep down, we know
we are right." -- Pierre Elliott Trudeau
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:57:37 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
> I think a Nick/Urs relationship would do a lot for each of their self-esteem.
> Bonnie Kate
> callalily@l.......
Bonnie Kate....THANK YOU!
I've been sitting here commiserating with my blankets and heating pad,
wondering if maybe this virus *is* affecting my mind if everyone seemsed to
think my thoughts were looney tunes.
How comforting to know that I am not alone! Maybe a rare bird, but not on
the extinction list.
Grinned,
Kyer, kyer@p....... whose wondering what use she can put all those
missles that had been slung her way via scrunchie slingshots. Knit another
heating blanket?
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:04:40 -0700
From: KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Lacroix Mortalfied
I was just re-reading those stories where LC got stuck with Nick's cure on
the plane while Nick and Nat were going to get married? And I remembered
reading another LC gets Mortal-ized story with a metal snake that bites him.
I know there must be more of these little gems <evil smirk> somewhere (I
wrote one myself once), but does anyone remember authors or titles?
Or is there a site that helps people find such strange stuff?
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:14:25 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied
At 04:04 PM 1/14/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I know there must be more of these little gems <evil smirk> somewhere (I
>wrote one myself once), but does anyone remember authors or titles?
>Kyer, kyer@p.......
My fav-o-rite serialist (note, I didn't not say serial killer!
though..um...I've never met her in *person*..."g"), Kylie the Knightraven
wrote "Accidents" in her "Nicky" series, wherein in a certain senior vamp
gets a hypo in the heinie and spends his day in the sun.... (Oooh!
Alliteration! "g")
Portia
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:19:30 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied
Would that be with Fleur?
I can't give details, but I am looking specifically for a fic that featured
Fleur and Natalie taking LC out to experience mortal food while Nick ponders
whether he should bring LC back across. ('cause Nick for some reason was the
only one who can.)
Kyer
----- Original Message -----
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FORKNI-L] Lacroix Mortalfied
> At 04:04 PM 1/14/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >I know there must be more of these little gems <evil smirk> somewhere (I
> >wrote one myself once), but does anyone remember authors or titles?
> >Kyer, kyer@p.......
>
> My fav-o-rite serialist (note, I didn't not say serial killer!
> though..um...I've never met her in *person*..."g"), Kylie the Knightraven
> wrote "Accidents" in her "Nicky" series, wherein in a certain senior vamp
> gets a hypo in the heinie and spends his day in the sun.... (Oooh!
> Alliteration! "g")
>
> Portia
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:26:42 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
At 03:57 PM 1/14/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Grinned,
>Kyer, kyer@p....... whose wondering what use she can put all those
>missles that had been slung her way via scrunchie slingshots. Knit another
>heating blanket?
Feel thou not persecuted, Oh Splintered One. Thou and I know'st that thou
art not alone in thy tongue-in-cheek (or not so) castigations of the
"en-morgued" one. Abundantly can'st be found missives and chronicles
deriding the efforts of that curlicued maid in'st the transformation of our
most beloved erstwhile equestrian. All who fear not to confront
brave-faced the most lamentable truth of "Last Knight" know 'twas Monsieur
LaCroix who achieved the fair Knight's re-mortalized state in his creation
of the "Crusader Kabob."
Portia, scurrying off as fast as she can to safety "g"
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:27:01 EST
From: KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: Help with titles/position
<< << For a fic, I need to know the various means of addressing Nat's position.
Is she a chief medical officer, county coroner, district coroner, etc.? Do
any/all of these apply? Others? >>
I believe she is a Medical Examiner, M.E. for short.
>>
That, and in "Spin Doctor" , the TV reporter introduced her as the 'County
Coroner'. Those terms are interchangable in most areas.
karen
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:30:23 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied
Sorry, that reply was supposed to go to just Portia!
But while I'm here, has anyone seen that fic? Also one where LC becomes
mortal and Nick becomes this supervampire on a rampage? I think that one
was posted somewhere other than fkfic-l, but if it was as well, let me know.
And Vachon! Wasn't there one with Vachon? (I love weird story lines and
wish someone would collect an archive so I wouldn't have to keep asking the
various lists for this stuff...)
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Bored, sick, bored, with nothing to do but remember stories she wants to
reread. If only she could find 'em!
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:34:01 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Help with titles/position
Merci to ya both! So...is she "chief" medical officer? Or just the "cute"
medical officer? "g"
At 06:27 PM 1/14/01 EST, you wrote:
> I believe she is a Medical Examiner, M.E. for short.
> >>
>That, and in "Spin Doctor" , the TV reporter introduced her as the 'County
>Coroner'. Those terms are interchangable in most areas.
>karen
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:48:43 -0500
From: Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
Bonnie wrote:
<snip> Not to get into a feminist arguement here, but I thought the point of
feminism was to give women the rights to do whatever they chose -- whether that's
to go out and be some corporate mogul or to stay at home and raise the kids.<snip>
The point isn't that all women have to break through glass ceilings, the point
is that women have the opportunity to pursue the life that makes them content
and fulfilled, whether that's being Madonna, a mother or an orthodontist.
What gives me nightmares about Urs is that she's 120 years old. She's lived
through the suffrage movement and the ERA. She's had the time to develop
interests and a career in an area other than dancing. It's not that she's a
dancer that bothers me. It's that she shows no change from the mortal Urs we
see in 'Hearts of Darkness.'
She's still performing for male approval, and she still has a low self-image.
It's one thing to enjoy being in touch with your sexuality, it's another to
feel trapped by it. In 'Hearts of Darkness,' Urs says she felt trapped, as a
mortal and in present day. She doesn't see her own capacity for freedom
during most of her appearances. (Note that I wrote 'most.' I'll get to my
exception in a couple paragraphs.)
<snip> Enabler? You mean Urs enabling Nick? Or Nick enabling Urs? I think
there is an arguement for either, but I think there is also an agrument for them
actually helping each other: Urs finally having a relationship with a man which
wasn't based solely on sex, and Nick having someone to help, to teach, who could
also make him feel that his quest for mortality isn't a solitary one. I think a
Nick/Urs relationship would do a lot for each of their self-esteem.<snip>
I meant that I'm wary that Nick and Urs would enable each other, feeding each
other's unhappiness by example. I agree somewhat that a friendship between the
two of them could have a positive benefit, mainly Nick benefitting by escaping
the isolation of being the only vampire wanting mortality. I'm not so attuned to
the idea of Urs having a man as a mentor. From HoD, obviously a large portion of
her issues stem from relationships with men. Maybe the 'hair of the dog that bit
you' approach could work if Urs had a positive, companionable experience with
Nick, but I still don't seeing any romance working there.
More that I think on it though, I'm not comfortable with the idea of any mentor
- male, female, undefined - being the solution to what torments Urs. I think,
like Nick, Urs would have to find happiness on her own, not defined
by another person, to be truly content.
The tag scene of HoD is interesting, because Urs acknowledges being abandoned
by her father and how that led to her abusive relationships and searching for
approval. She's self-aware now, there's a hint she's changing, but when Vachon
asks her if she still wants to die, she doesn't answer.
The reason why I think Urs' fight with Divia is THE strong moment for the character
is that she finally answers Vachon's above question. She doesn't want someone to
kill her anymore. By fighting for her survival, she's affirming her self-worth.
Woohoo! In Urs' last scene, she is a changed person compared to the other urchin
glimpses in the series. She's no longer this feminist's nightmare, no longer a
child needing approval, but her own woman.
<waves>
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Bonnie Rutledge.............<br1035@i.......>.............Single and
Fabulous!
"Well, they don't write dramas about young girls who settle for the adventure
that
is mutual respect..." - Sarah Vowell, 'Take the Cannoli'
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:50:12 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Bon Bons (was Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes))
In a message dated 1/14/01 5:44:51 PM Central Standard Time,
br1035@i....... writes:
> Bonnie wrote:
When we have a very intelligent conversation between the two Bonnies, is that
a "Bon Bon?"
Since it wouldn't be a chocolate Bon Bon (though knowing each Bonnie and
having met them both in real life, I don't think either would argue with the
delicious nature of chocoate bon bons) if LaCroix wanted a vampire version of
junk food, would the afore mentioned human "Bon Bons" count?
This is a question that will boggle FK fandom for ... for ... for ... at
least two minutes!
Is this a birth of a new psuedo faction? The Bon Bons?
Libs
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:21:02 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Tracy on Andromeda
In a message dated 1/8/01 5:02:06 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:
<< At 07:23 PM 1/7/01 -0800, Jeannie wrote:
>She's also completely different, personality-wise. I like her better this
>way. *grin*
It seems to me that Beka Valentine is kinda like a "Dark Perk" Tracy Vetter...
>>
I'm glad I'm not the only one that had that thought. I haven't caught too
many eps, but she did seem like a DP version of Tracy.
Judy
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:55:03 -0600
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: author search
Hello all,
Looking for two authors:
Dawn Steele, last known email: h36a@unb.ca
Teresa Stevenson, last known email: stevete00@h.......
thanks,
monica
luscious luicus lover
LaCroix in 2000: When you're tired of choosing the lesser of two evils.
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:08:04 +0600
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:06:21 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes
Extremis wrote:
> I never thought Nick was dim, but I found his
> inability to control bringing others across a bit
> annoying. He was able to do it Nat's brother, with the
> doctor during the plague, but killed Nat and his wife.
Interesting that he didn't have a problem bringing men across, if we use
these examples as some sort of scientific sampling. Sorry to all the UFers
(of which I'm one) but maybe the problems happened when his primary sexual
orientation as involved. If he could keep his emotions in check, he could
do just fine bringing someone across.
Barb
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:13:10 -0500
From: Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Help with titles/position
KaAG@a....... wrote:
>
><< << For a fic, I need to know the various means of addressing Nat's position.
> Is she a chief medical officer, county coroner, district coroner, etc.? Do
> any/all of these apply? Others? >>
>
> I believe she is a Medical Examiner, M.E. for short.
The correct term in Canada is Coroner, not Medical Examiner which is
an American term. Also, since the building they show inthe stock
shots is the Ontario Coroner's Building, she would be known as a
provincial Coroner.
--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:33:57 -0800
From: Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Magic 8 Ball
For an FK-related project I'm working on, I need a wee bit o' information.
For anyone who has a Magic 8 Ball, could you please tell me what each of the
"responses" are -- I can even remember how many there are, but then I guess
that's what makes it magic. <G>
I wonder if the FK characters ever used a Magic 8 Ball....
NICK: "Should I keep Tracy as my new full-time partner?"
MAGIC 8 BALL: "Ask again later, after she covers your butt in Human Factor."
Screed: "How 'bouts I nibble on a wee ol' squealer of the ultra-brite complexion
tanite?"
MAGIC 8 BALL: "The answer, like your question, is unclear."
Tracy: "I don't have any solid proof, but I really have a feeling that my
partner Nick is keeping some deep, dark secret from me. Could he, maybe,
possibly, be a ... vampire?"
MAGIC 8 BALL: "Everyone else will tell you no and so will I."
Bonnie Kate
callalily@l.......
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:27:41 -0500
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes)
At 10:06 PM 1/14/01 +0000, Barb Vainio wrote:
>...maybe [Nick's] problems [bringing women across] happened when his
>primary sexual orientation as involved. If he could keep his emotions in
>check, he could do just fine bringing someone across.
Well, he *did* successfully bring across Elizabeth (the leper) -- though he
had to destroy her when she insisted on using her powers and her hunger to
wreak revenge (or was that havoc?).
On a similar tack, Janette had problems bringing people across 'cos she
kept drinking 'til there was nothing left... yet she most likely brought
across the Baroness (ILCK), and was about to bring across the prostitute
(AFWTD). Could it be that Janette has a similar problem where her "primary
sexual orientation" is involved?
Brenda Faith Bell webwarren@e.......
Consultant, The Web Warren http://www.webwarren.com/
arachne@w.......
bfbell@d.......
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:33:56 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Help with titles/position
In a message dated 1/14/01 11:18:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mytoronto@h....... writes:
<< The correct term in Canada is Coroner, not Medical Examiner which is
an American term. Also, since the building they show inthe stock
shots is the Ontario Coroner's Building, she would be known as a
provincial Coroner.
>>
I also once before asked for Nat's legal title. And was responsed with
"Natalie Lambert, ME, MD."
Marg is this correct then. Or does she sign her 'name' with differnt titles
after the sur name. In the states, that is what she would use. Please
advise. Otherwise I have to change the Nat shirts on my line. Thanks!
KnightWitch:-]=
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:18:00 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes)
Hmmm...seems like, although she had an "attitude problem" ("g"), Serena was
brought across quite fine. Richard went fready-deaky, but I don't know if
that was the problem with that plague doctor Nick brought across -- seemed
to me he just reveled in his vampiric power and was arrogant enough to
think he could make it w/out listening to instructions. It was the mob
that put that guy down, not Nick.
BTW, UFfers don't all automatically assume that Nick is homosexual. They
just have a tendency to be intrigued by *all* possible ramifications of
Nick's relationship with LaCroix, specifically. "g"
Portia, what am I doing up at 4:30am on a holiday???
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:21:29 -0500
From: Luc D <lacroix@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes)
Okay so now Nick is gay?? come on...
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Portia 1" <portia1@m.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes)
> Hmmm...seems like, although she had an "attitude problem" ("g"), Serena was
> brought across quite fine. Richard went fready-deaky, but I don't know if
> that was the problem with that plague doctor Nick brought across -- seemed
> to me he just reveled in his vampiric power and was arrogant enough to
> think he could make it w/out listening to instructions. It was the mob
> that put that guy down, not Nick.
>
> BTW, UFfers don't all automatically assume that Nick is homosexual. They
> just have a tendency to be intrigued by *all* possible ramifications of
> Nick's relationship with LaCroix, specifically. "g"
>
> Portia, what am I doing up at 4:30am on a holiday???
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:29:37 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes)
At 05:21 AM 1/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Okay so now Nick is gay?? come on...
>
>Luc
LOL! That's opposite of the point I was trying to make! "g"
Portia, in a pretty good mood for 5:30am! (or maybe I'm just giddy from
sleep deprivation! "g")
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:32:59 EST
From: Marel Darby <Frostsaint2@a.......>
Subject: Re: Magic 8 Ball
> I wonder if the FK characters ever used a Magic 8 Ball....
> NICK: "Should I keep Tracy as my new full-time partner?"
> MAGIC 8 BALL: "Ask again later, after she covers your butt in Human Factor."
Darnit! I mis-read this at first as: 'she COVETS your butt in Human Factor',
and was just thinking about re-running that episode to check...<g>
Marel
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:59:36 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick's Sexuality? (WAS: Re: Horrorscopes)
In a message dated 1/15/01 4:22:11 AM Central Standard Time,
lacroix@e....... writes:
> Okay so now Nick is gay?? come on...
That isn't the point. I personally believe that while FK vampires have a
primary sexuality (unless, of course, they are bi as mortal), there's a
certain comfort and erotic nature to the taking of blood from anyone,
especially one's master.
There may be some who think Nick might be gay, but I think most who can see
him having relations with males, or even just LaCroix, feel Nick, as a
vampire, just likes to get around.
And UF believes in studying and discussing the relationship of Nick and
LaCroix in ANY form, not just sexual. Some just can't see them together in
that way, while others can.
--Libby
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:43:15 -0500
From: Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Bon Bons (was Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes))
Libby wrote:
<snip> This is a question that will boggle FK fandom for ... for ... for ... at
> least two minutes!<snip>
I'm boggled still, Libby. I'm boggled still!
<snip> Is this a birth of a new psuedo faction? The Bon Bons?<snip>
Hmm. A pseudo faction. That would go nicely with my collection of pleather! <g>
<waves>
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Bonnie Rutledge............<br1035@i.......>............Single and
Fabulous!
"Afghanistan banana stand." - Donald E. Westlake, 'The Hot Rock'
"Oh, and there's *so much* quicksand in New York City!" - Cousin Jules
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:32:44 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Magic 8 Ball
Marel wrote
> Darnit! I mis-read this at first as: 'she COVETS your butt in Human Factor',
> and was just thinking about re-running that episode to check...<g>
LOL! KnightShift'ers! You gotta potential convert here, methinks!
: D
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:31:39 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: FK at Scifi
Sorry for the cross posting. Both Forever Knight soundtracks are available
for sale at the SciFi Channel's website. Maybe if there was a big hit on
them, they would get the message.
Judy
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