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FORKNI-L Digest - 13 Jan 2001 to 14 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-14)

Sun, 14 Jan 2001

There are 30 messages totalling 1015 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Yes, she's still alive--and has a fanfic question to boot.
  2. Question for Canadian list members (2)
  3. Horrorscopes (7)
  4. USA and the Nakita thing about fans (2)
  5. Yes,she's still alive--and has a fanfic question to boot.
  6. vampiric response to electric outage
  7. Nat's birthday (2)
  8. YKYBWTMFK... (2)
  9. YKYBRTMFKFW
 10. YKYBWTMFK (2)
 11. License question (3)
 12. [[FORKNI-L] License question]
 13. Good Eve-en-ing (2)
 14. Close Call/Crazy Love
 15. Astrological analysis of FK characters (04/06)
 16. Question for a fanfic....

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:47:09 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Yes, she's still alive--and has a fanfic question to boot.

Kyer, here.
It's confirmed.  I've been working with a mild case of pneumonia which is
why I am now mostly stuck in bed <bored sigh> *resting*.  (Can't I rest
while typing?  I and all my Selves are bored, bored, bored!)

Anyways, Does anyone know how cold the water gets in Lake Ontario during the
winter?  Does the bank around Toronto slope down gradually or does it get
deep mighty fast?  And about how deep does it get?

:)=
Kyer

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:48:38 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Question for Canadian list members

Do Canadians say "sweet shop" as the British would, or
"candy store" as Americans would?

Thanks in advance,
Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:16:25 EST
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

In a message dated 1/1/01 5:00:22 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:

<< Natalie is (i was going to put 'shrew' but i want to live) The Cat
Janette is The Plate (as in 'Fashion') in some circles referred to as The
Dish
 >>

Be nice. Seondly, Catherine's nickname was The Dish. She even signed a Jean
Gray card - Dish.

Nat was a victim of bad writing, which was vengance on the part of TPTB
against Ger and Cath.

Judy

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:28:19 EST
From:    Erika1228@a.......
Subject: USA and the Nakita thing about fans

Please pardon me if I'm repeating stuff already said, but I only have time
lately to lurk and skim posts. I was wondering what people thought on seeing
that ad and all the stuff about how the fans counted. My first thought was
that USA made the decision for whatever reasons, and just let the fans think
that their voice counted as a publicity stunt. Again, I'm sorry if I'm going
over old ground, but what was the general thought on this?

Christine Hunt
erika1228@a.......


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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:25:56 -0500
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Yes,she's still alive--and has a fanfic question to boot.

KYER wrote:
> It's confirmed.  I've been working with a mild case of pneumonia which is
> why I am now mostly stuck in bed <bored sigh> *resting*.

Take care of yourselves and get well quick. <g>

> Anyways, Does anyone know how cold the water gets in Lake Ontario during the
> winter?

It gets *extremely* cold and stays cold well into the spring. You
can die of hypothermia within a couple of minutes because the water
is just a degree or two above freezing. They run the icebreakers in
the Inner Harbour all winter long so the ferries can make it to the
Toronto Islands.

> Does the bank around Toronto slope down gradually or does it get
> deep mighty fast?  And about how deep does it get?

Depends on where along the shoreline of Toronto you are. There are
sand beaches at Cherry Beach and several other places, but the Port
of Toronto just a short walk away is deep enough to take several
full sized Lake freighters. According to my handy-dandy Canadian
Almanac, Lake Ontario is 244m (about 800 ft for those of you who are
metrically challenged) deep.

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:29:17 -0500
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Question for Canadian list members

Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
>
> Do Canadians say "sweet shop" as the British would, or
> "candy store" as Americans would?

We say ..... Godiva <g>.

Generically though, 'candy store' is probably a lot more common.
There's a big candy store called Sugar Mountain across the road from
where the Raven is located, in the nightclub district.

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:38:49 EST
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: vampiric response to electric outage

In a message dated 1/2/01 5:00:55 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:

<< And what if the battery acid leaked into the
blood?  Super Charged Moo Juice with an Electric Kick?  hehehe  Hey, I
wonder if that would be like Jalepeno sauce to us mortals?
Oh, man!  The Energizer Bunny on Nat's slab with fang punctures in its
Engergizers!
"Nick!  Is this something I should know about?!"
 >>

ROFL!!  Just the image I need in my brain.

Of course Engergizer Bunny first brings up images of Ger. So I had to
overcome those to see what you were aiming at.

I wonder what battery juice would do to blood, other than eat through the
container, if not glass. (think blood bag).

Can you imagine a hyperactive Nick? Yikes.

Judy

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:49:18 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

Judy retorted:
> Be nice. Seondly, Catherine's nickname was The Dish. She even signed a Jean
> Gray card - Dish.
> Nat was a victim of bad writing, which was vengance on the part of TPTB
> against Ger and Cath.

(Geez!  I *knew* somebody was going to comment on that. Took awhile,
though.)
Yes, I know Cath was referred to as 'Dish', but the word worked well with
the joke of 'Fashion Plate' so I let it be.

Secondly,  I never muched cared for Natalie from the get go---*because* she
was trying to make him mortal--NOT because of the despicable way the TPTB
treated Ms. Disher's character.  I personally believe as Janette and LaCroix
that Nick would be miserable as a mortal and probably not survive his first
season.  I also wonder if Natalie is truly in love with Nicholas de
Brabant---or just the fictional facade that is Nick B. Knight.  (A sore
point with me in many fics which treat 'Nick' as real and 'de Brabant' as
merely The Vampire.)  If Nicholas becomes mortal, Natalie will lose that
fascinating, mysterious quality that lured her to him in the first place.
Will *just* the remnants of 'Nick Knight' be enough to satisify her?  Or
will she quickly feel stifled by his old-world manner as Janette had?
(Granted that it took Janette almost a century, but Natalie grew up with a
modern woman's sensibilities.)

My deepest regret with Nick's love life in the series was that they killed
off Urs.  If Janette wanted him mainly for lust, and Natalie for his looks
and because he wetted her scientific curiosity, then I think that Urs might
have been the best thing that could have come into his life.  They
*understood* each other, as only introverted angsters can. IMH(but
experienced)O.

At any rate, I was poking whimsical at the character *as portrayed in the
show*.  Just as I happily tweak all of them---even De Favorite.  (Ain't that
right, Nick? <eg>)

Thirdly, I took your post as done in mild reprimand based on the lack of <g>
or other smiley emoticon references.  If I was mistaken by this and you did
mean the rebuff in good humor, my apologies publicly given here.

:)=
Kyer,  kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:01:11 EST
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Nat's birthday

In a message dated 1/3/01 5:01:37 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:

<<   I believe that in the show they stated that she was
born on April 14th, correct? Which, cut and dry, makes
her an Aries.
 >>

The accepted birthday for her is June 24th. April 14 is not her birthday, but
some sort of an error in writing the last ep. Maybe part of the dream nature
of it.

Judy

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:28:54 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK...

...When you read that one of the volunteers observing the new pandas at the
National Zoo is named Lucy Ducharme and you immediately think 'she must be
on the night shift'. :-)

Barb

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:45:21 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: YKYBRTMFKFW

You're at the mall and you see a place called Nick's Popcorn & Ice Cream, and
it makes you chuckle because you're imagining Nick behind the counter.
Also selling a special flavor, for vampires only, with cow blood.

Wonder what it would be called?  Moo-nificent?  The Hereford special?

E-mail: emily.m.hanson@u.......
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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:58:41 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: USA and the Nakita thing about fans

Erika1228 wrote:

> My first thought was
> that USA made the decision for whatever reasons, and just let the fans think
> that their voice counted as a publicity stunt. Again, I'm sorry if I'm going
> over old ground, but what was the general thought on this?
>
When the Nikita cast was asked about this at LCA, they all agreed that USA
certainly had business reasons for renewing the show, but that they were
heavily influenced by the fan response.  If the fans hadn't made the effort,
USA would not have thought about the good business of bringing it back.

According to the cast, USA only renewed the show for 8 episodes because they
have another project waiting for Peta Wilson.  so they really had no major
reason to renew without the fan response - they expect to make money from
the new show whit Ms. Wilson.

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:04:55 -0600
From:    Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK

When you are at Dearfoot and McKnight in Calgary and you see Nick's
Woodworking and you think  ' Oh, this is where he came when he left
Toronto.'

Carpe Noctem,

Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:00:51 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

> Kyer wrote:

> Secondly,  I never muched cared for Natalie from the get
> go---*because* she was trying to make him mortal

At Nick's behest, remember.

> --NOT because of the despicable
> way the TPTB treated Ms. Disher's character.  I personally believe as
> Janette and LaCroix that Nick would be miserable as a mortal and probably not
> survive his first season.

I dunno. I'm always surprised that people seem to assume Nick is incompetent and
somewhat dim. Yes, he'd have to overcome 800 years of vampire thinking, but this
is a guy who has the strength and fortitude to fight against an overwhelming
force (Lacroix and his vampire instincts) and succeed quite a lot. And as a
mortal he was a survivor, enough so to survive the Crusades and a relatively
brutal and dangerous life. I think he'd fight as hard to live as a mortal, and
that he'd make it, too.

> If Nicholas becomes mortal, Natalie
> will lose that fascinating, mysterious quality that lured her to him in the
> first place. Will *just* the remnants of 'Nick Knight' be enough to
> satisify her?

That's a big leap of reasoning to make. Who knows what is the real attraction
for her? It could be the vampire aspect, but it could also be 1) a darned
goodlooking guy; 2) the fascination of knowing someone who was so steeped in the
past and had seen so much ; 3) his essential goodness; 4) a really interesting
antiques collection. I myself would be absolutely riveted by the posssibility of
knowing someone who had seen so much, being the history lover I am. Or maybe Nat
just fell for someone who was guaranteed to open doors for her. <g>

>  Or will she quickly feel stifled by his old-world manner as Janette had?
> (Granted that it took Janette almost a century, but Natalie
> grew up with a modern woman's sensibilities.)

Another big assumption. Nat doesn't strike me as someone who wants to have an
"open" relationship, but would opt more for the exclusivity of staying with one
man. Janette, on the other hand, has a more worldly and frankly French outlook
on relationships. I can see her becoming impatient with Nick's desire to be her
one and only true knight.

And somehow I see her bringing Nick up short pretty quickly any time he started
using the imperial we and making assumptions. <g>

> My deepest regret with Nick's love life in the series was
> that they killed off Urs.  If Janette wanted him mainly for lust, and Natalie
> for his looks and because he wetted her scientific curiosity, then I think
> that Urs might have been the best thing that could have come into his life. They
> *understood* each other, as only introverted angsters can. IMH(but
> experienced)O.

(making choking noises) I simply can't see Nick having anything to do with Urs,
a rather (IMO, of course) vacuous child-woman. Nick is way too grown up and
sophisticated for her. They might understand each other, but what would they
talk about? It takes more than mutual depression to make a relationship.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:03:05 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

In a message dated 1/13/01 7:59:43 PM Central Standard Time,
nancykam@m....... writes:

> Nat doesn't strike me as someone who wants to have an
> "open" relationship, but would opt more for the exclusivity of staying with
> one man.
Although she's a good actor. I mean, she hangs onto Nick to cover that wild,
passionate fling she's having with Screed. In FEVER she has to turn away when
she says to Nick she can't really do anything to prevent bursting into tears
and letting the rat out of the trashcan.

*sob*

The saddest moment of FK for me!

--Libs

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:16:44 -0500
From:    Brenda Bell <bfbell@d.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFK...

At 07:28 PM 1/13/01 +0000, Barb Vainio wrote:

>...When you read that one of the volunteers observing the new pandas at the
>National Zoo is named Lucy Ducharme and you immediately think 'she must be
>on the night shift'. :-)

Why do I think she's an artifact of what happened the *last* time Janette
and Lacroix toyed around with being mortal????? <eg>

Brenda F. Bell

bfbell@d.......
webwarren@e.......

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:18:09 -0600
From:    Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

Nancy wrote:

>>(making choking noises) I simply can't see Nick having anything to do with Urs,
a rather (IMO, of course) vacuous child-woman. Nick is way too grown up and
sophisticated for her. They might understand each other, but what would they
talk about? It takes more than mutual depression to make a relationship.<<

Have to agree completely with this one,  Nancy.  Nick is way to deep and
complex for that relationship to work.

Carpe Noctem,

Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:00:45 -0500
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: License question

In an episode I can't remember, someone (Schanke?) finds an old driver's
license in Nick's glove compartment that appears to be Nick with glasses
and a beard.  Can anyone tell me what was printed on that license (name,
date, place, etc.)?  Or at least the episode this scene comes from?
Thanks.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--sandragray@r.......

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:06:09 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [[FORKNI-L] License question]

Wasn't that Close Call?

One ep I haven't seen but really want to!  Have read the transcript.

Emily

Sandra <sandragray@r.......> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what was printed on that license (name,
> date, place, etc.)?  Or at least the episode this scene comes from?

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:11:40 -0500
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: License question

At 10:00 PM 1/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
> Or at least the episode this scene comes from?
>Thanks.
>
>--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie

Um...I think "Close Call" where Schanke starts to get strong suspicions
that Nick is a vampire?  Is this where we learn he went by Nick Forrester?
And wasn't it a Chicago driver's licence?

Portia

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:15:17 EST
From:    KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: License question

In a message dated 1/13/01 10:01:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sandragray@r....... writes:

<< an anyone tell me what was printed on that license (name,
 date, place, etc.)?  Or at least the episode this scene comes from? >>

CLose call is the episode...

It was a New York drivers license, 1960ish (might be 63) for Nick Forrester.
When they pull the records, it shows a pic of Nick with glasses and a
goatee...

karen

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:27:47 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFK

In a message dated 1/13/01 6:04:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
bcammarata@h....... writes:

<< When you are at Dearfoot and McKnight in Calgary and you see Nick's
 Woodworking and you think  ' Oh, this is where he came when he left
 Toronto.' >>

Nick's Woodworking?  He must have achieved mortality then, I
can't imagine a vampire wanting much to do with planks of wood
otherwise. <g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:45:29 EST
From:    Sing to Angels <Sng2angels@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nat's birthday

Well, <shrug> she seems more like an Aries to me. I would know, I am one too.
;) So she could be a Gemini, which she doesn't act like, or she could be an
Aries. I go for Aries meself. :)

          Sing To Angels
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may lay, FoSiL, N&NPacker and Forever Faithful (and just in case neither work
out, a secret valentine) *******
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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:46:14 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Good Eve-en-ing

Hi all,

New in town, and happy to be here. Hopefully brief
bio: 35 years old with a seven year-old son, postal
worker on the nightshift, and a longtime FK fan who
recently dug out his stack of FK tapes and
rediscovered his love of the show. I used to be a
member of the majority of fanclubs associated with
FK-anything to get the autographed cast photos, and
miss the fun of knowing that there were some very cool
people out there who dug the show as much as I did.
BTW, did Catherine Discher ever get her own fan club?
She was the one autographed photo I wasn't able to
get, and so naturally I've been slogging through life
feeling somehow incomplete.

I was once able to catch Nigel "live" at a personal
appearance he did in a goth club in N.Y. I'll have to
dig out the mementos to recall the name, though I do
remember that there was a performance art
(translation: they got nekked onstage)/rock band that
opened for Nigel, and aside from the fact that there
was a topless girl running around, the lead vocalist
dropped trou to close the set, and that the
pre-recorded music kept skipping during their songs,
not much sticks out. Maybe that I went with my
girlfriend, and when the girl went topless I made a
point of looking at the ceiling so that I wouldn't
appear turned-on by that sort of thing. Glared at me
the whole time, she did. Nigel on the other hand, was
really great. Did a reading from his book in character
as Lacroix, and signed autographs and posed for pix
with his fans, the definition of "nice guy" all the
way.

So, with this I introduce myself to you all. Hope you
have a great weekend, and please feel to drop me lines
offlist and likewise introduce yourselves to me and
let me know how you're doing. If I've broken any rules
by including some bio, or the length of this post, I
apologize and will try to get into the swing of things
as soon as possible. Best wishes to you all.

Eric
xxxxxxxxxx,N.Y.

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:51:39 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Close Call/Crazy Love

Hi all,

Okay, the first time I saw these two episodes I
thought that Close Call was a flashback fest and that
Crazy Love was one of at least two FK takes on Silence
Of The Lambs. Made the huge mistake of watching them
both again under the influence of er...this 'n' that,
and fell into complete "Oh wow! This is, like, sooooo
heavy!" mode. That said:

"Close Call" really brought home to me what LaCroix
was talking about-was it in "Last Knight"?-when he
confronted Nick with the fact that his efforts to keep
his true nature a secret throws the lives of his
friends upside down. I really felt bad for Skank, and
felt that he was really used by Nick. Example:
throwing into his whammy on Skank to wash the car,
while it may seem funny at first, really doesn't fit
in well with Nick's wanting to become mortal. It was
harmless, but he was taking advantage of a friend, and
he could've left that out. To see Skank running
around, sleep deprived, putting together all the
pieces of Nick's secret, and then dutifully washing
his car at the end, just seemed "messed up", for lack
of a better way of putting it. I was really proud of
LaCroix, however, for throwing Skank offtrack just by
suggestion, and not resorting to hypnosis or
intimidation (well, not too much intimidation anyway).
I thought LaCroix took the higher road here. Ditto for
Jeanette, who could've taken Skank out just for
tresspassing into The Raven alone. She let Skank walk
out unharmed even though she wasn't totally sure that
her whammy had done any good. Ahhh, but I love her
anyway, so I'm partial. <shrugs>

Likewise, in "Crazy Love", the poor girl who was just
so eager to give her life up to Nick, was really
heartbreaking. The eroticism when she said "...I want
to tell them about you and I...about what we've been
doing...if they only knew...drink from me again" aside,
she was exactly what LaCroix said, the first of many,
and all her passion was for nothing. When she finally
died in Nick's arms, I was kinda ticked off. She was
so innocent, and she was so totally, tragically out of
her depth. I know that in order to have any
understanding of Nick, you have to accept the fact
that there was a period early on when his conscience
was switched off, and that when he wanted to regain
his mortality, he often backslid, but this was
unforgivable. I will give him this, though: LaCroix
was wrong about one thing, Nick didn't forget her as
he said he would, and that was Nick's saving grace
here. Comments?

Eric

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:59:45 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

Kyer wrote:
<snip> If Nicholas becomes mortal, Natalie will lose that fascinating, mysterious
quality that lured her to him in the first place. Will *just* the remnants of
'Nick Knight' be enough to satisify her?<snip>

That's a question as easy to answer as it is to state with absolute certainty
that any two people can maintain a satisfying relationship for one lifetime.
As far removed as I am from Knightiehood, I would no sooner consider Nicholas
unworthy of fascination, be he vampire or mortal, than I would consider
an 'Expectant Mother Only' parking spot worthy of obediance. It's simply
a mindboggling concept.

The obvious change I see that would affect how Natalie interacts with Nick on
a non-mortal level is that he would no longer be an object of scientific study.
The show portrayed important elements in any long-term relationship in addition
to the probing, however: a foundation of friendship, respect, and physical
attraction. Each character finds the other intelligent. They argued, they
disappointed, and they forgave each other.

Where does the vampire begin and the man end in these interactions?
What exactly changes instantly with mortality other than the craving for blood,
the allergies, and the mutability and fragility of the physical?
Nick's personality, the manner in which he interacts with people in the
present day in not going to change overnight, but gradually.

Yes, that might get him killed working as a homicide detective, but he
doesn't have to remain one.

Nancy wrote:
<snip> That's a big leap of reasoning to make. Who knows what is the real attraction
> for her? It could be the vampire aspect, but it could also be 1) a darned
> goodlooking guy; <snip>

'Darned goodlooking'? A chock-full-o'-restraint description from the Kaminski
camp if I've ever read one!

<snip>2) the fascination of knowing someone who was so steeped in the
> past and had seen so much ; 3) his essential goodness; 4) a really interesting
> antiques collection. I myself would be absolutely riveted by the posssibility of
> knowing someone who had seen so much, being the history lover I am. Or maybe Nat
> just fell for someone who was guaranteed to open doors for her. <g><snip>

And none of these things disappear if Nick becomes mortal (barring that one
scenario we've seen in fanfic where Nick reverts to his language and
memories up to 1228, but because of 'The Fix,' I doubt that would really
happen).

Now...would mortality make Nick happy? Would remaining a vampire? Neither, I
say, not until he learns to accept himself completely, to process guilt and his
mistakes and let them go. He's been content as both for a period, but the ultimate
decision is up to him. LaCroix, Janette and Natalie can't take the credit for
Nick's happiness, unless you credit him with the inability to think for himself
and make his own choices.

<snip> (making choking noises) I simply can't see Nick having anything to do
> with Urs,
> a rather (IMO, of course) vacuous child-woman. Nick is way too grown up and
> sophisticated for her. They might understand each other, but what would they
> talk about? It takes more than mutual depression to make a relationship.<snip>

I'd probably assign Urs a little less of the vacuous, but whole-heartedly
echo the concept of 'child-woman.' I don't think the character's stupid so much
as she's needy and a feminist's nightmare. The only time she shows strength is
in fighting Divia for her life. Phooey on that! I also have to echo the choking
noises in regards to a Les Mis relationship. It screams 'enabler' to me.

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge.............<br1035@i.......>.............Single and Fabulous!
"And holy, holy, holy is the coffee, which was, and is to come...And lo, after this
I beheld a great multitude, which no man could number, of shoes." - Sarah Vowell

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:55:50 EST
From:    Sing to Angels <Sng2angels@a.......>
Subject: Astrological analysis of FK characters (04/06)

Lucien LaCroix

  Lucien LaCroix, perhaps the single most sinister character
on FK. He inspires fear and maybe something else. Maybe
a little lust, perhaps he is sexy? As much as he gives most
of us the willies, we *want* him to give us the willies.
  Lucien thrills, chills, and tantalizes us. The smooth,
velvety voice that touches a chord deep within all of us.
The little chill which runs up our spine when we see his
eyebrows fork in sarcastic tete a tete with his wayward son.
  Death, sex, mystery. These qualities are made flesh in
our dearest Uncle. Scorpio, perhaps the single most feared sign
in the entire zodiac. The Scorpion and Uncle share that much
at least.
  Don't get me wrong, Scorpios aren't all bad. They are, for
the most part, very pleasant people. They usually have a sharp
wit which they love to stab unprepared victims with, delighting
in their confusion. Sex to them is another way to wrap someone
in the web they weave, like a spider devours its prey.
  But underneath all of that, Scorpios are unusually sensitive,
easily wounded themselves. They take a sort of kill or be killed
attitude towards life. Weakness they despise, especially in themselves
and those whom they love.
 No one can truly understand a Scorpio unless they are one themselves.
And even they really don't know themselves unless they are one
of the very rare types who use the full potential of their sign.
  LaCroix strikes me as the 2nd Scorpio type. There are three types,
the last and highest being the eagle or the phoenix who has learned
all of their lessons and has risen above all things petty.
  In his nearly 2000 years of knowledge, LaCroix has yet to learn
the simple lesson of compassion. Though we see he has come close
several times, once in Black Buddha and then again in Last Knight.
He has learned to compromise however, and to encourage faith in his
son. He shows that maybe after all of this time he still has a little
of that faith himself. Remember Sons of Belial where he was able
to help Nick overcome the demon possession by making him remember his
faith in God, which had never died over the course of several
dark centuries. You can almost see the bitterness and admiration
that LaCroix has for Nick there.
  I believe that one of the reasons LaCroix has held such a grip on
Nick is because Nick makes him feel human. LaCroix lives through
his son, he has faith, compassion and strength to love through
Nick. Maybe one day LaCroix will transcend all of this and become
the Eagle he was truly meant to be, flying high above and able
to sustain himself through love and compassion for himself and others.

 (Ok, so I am a hopeless romantic. Stake me.)

          Sing To Angels
 ****** A Decidedly Gray Cousin, Vaquero, Detester of Perkiness wherever it
may lay, FoSiL, N&NPacker and Forever Faithful (and just in case neither work
out, a secret valentine) *******
   "Look for more than the naked eye can see, and sing the grief you find to
the angels above."

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:20:07 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes

> Bonnie Rutledge wrote:

> Where does the vampire begin and the man end in these interactions?
> What exactly changes instantly with mortality other than the
> craving for blood, the allergies, and the mutability and fragility of the
> physical?
> Nick's personality, the manner in which he interacts with
> people in the present day in not going to change overnight, but gradually.

Exactly! He's still going to be our Nick, just a less dangerous version.

> 'Darned goodlooking'? A chock-full-o'-restraint description
> from the Kaminski camp if I've ever read one!

<g> I was trying to keep it clean, Bons. We can't exactly discuss this like we
did in New Orleans, now, can we? <weg>

> And none of these things disappear if Nick becomes mortal
> (barring that one scenario we've seen in fanfic where Nick reverts to his
> language and memories up to 1228, but because of 'The Fix,' I doubt that
> would really happen).

But it was a darned good plot hook, wasn't it? (promo: read "Deja Vu"! <g>)

> Now...would mortality make Nick happy? Would remaining a
> vampire? Neither, I say, not until he learns to accept himself completely, to
> process guilt and his mistakes and let them go. He's been content as both for
> a period, but the ultimate decision is up to him. LaCroix, Janette and Natalie
> can't take the credit for Nick's happiness, unless you credit him with the
> inability to think for himself and make his own choices.

And we know he can do that. He'll continue on his spiritual journey, only on a
different path.

> I'd probably assign Urs a little less of the vacuous, but
> whole-heartedly echo the concept of 'child-woman.' I don't think the
> character's stupid so much as she's needy and a feminist's nightmare. The only
> time she shows strength is in fighting Divia for her life. Phooey on that! I
> also have to echo the choking noises in regards to a Les Mis relationship. It
> screams 'enabler' to me.

Yup. I agree totally with that. Perhaps she's not vacuous so much as simply
ignorant. Either way not a brilliant conversationalist, IMO.

Nancy K
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:20:26 EST
From:    Sing to Angels <Sng2angels@a.......>
Subject: Question for a fanfic....

   Which episode did LaCroix first see and or learn of Natalie? I know that
the first time she met him it was BMV, but I'm sure that she was seen by him
or talked about before then. Thanks guys.

          Sing To Angels
 ****** A Decidedly Gray Cousin, Vaquero, Detester of Perkiness wherever it
may lay, FoSiL, N&NPacker and Forever Faithful (and just in case neither work
out, a secret valentine) *******
   "Look for more than the naked eye can see, and sing the grief you find to
the angels above."

Call me at Keen.com, Your Live Answer Community.
http://www.Keen.com/sng2angels?ref=1

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Date:    Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:31:35 -0500
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Good Eve-en-ing

Extremis wrote:
> New in town, and happy to be here. Hopefully brief
> bio: 35 years old with a seven year-old son, postal
> worker on the nightshift, and a longtime FK fan who
> recently dug out his stack of FK tapes and
> rediscovered his love of the show.

Welcome, Eric!  It's a little quieter here now than it was in the
heyday when FK was still on the air in the US, but we still have
some good discussions and some silliness here. Feel free to join in!

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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