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FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Nov 2000 to 10 Nov 2000 (#2000-346)

Fri, 10 Nov 2000

There are 16 messages totalling 556 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. YES! to JACKETS! (2)
  2. Do you want us to continue? (9)
  3. FK sighting
  4. LCA Video and Video Dailies Purchase Agreement
  5. LC, Where Are You When We Need You!
  6. Proper Voting Attire (2)


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:02:01 +1300
From:    Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: YES! to JACKETS!


Sorry! I also forgot to mention that we can now have a choice of either blue
or black sleeves!:)
So you may have whichever you wish!




Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 14:06:50 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: YES! to JACKETS!

I think I'll stick with black



Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:34:37 EST
From:    BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: Do you want us to continue?

Kickstart the Knight's drive to raise enough funds for a full page ad for FK
in the Hollywood Reporter has so far only raised $360 of the $1,000 which is
needed to add to the funds already raised in our recent auction.  We
appreciate the very great generosity of those who participated in the auction
and who have contributed funds after the auction, and we desperately want to
be able to help the FK cause by placing a gorgeous full page ad.  But without
more help from all of you, this may not be possible.  I am becoming somewhat
discouraged by this and am beginning to wonder if you really want the KtK
staff to continue in our efforts.  What we do takes an incredible amount of
our own personal time *and* money.  Our staff takes the time to design and
maintain the KtK website, we have a professional graphic artist who gives her
time to design these beautiful ads, we spend time writing and putting
together the newsletter, and we publish the newsletter quarterly *at our own
expense* with the goal of helping the fans to get more FK, whether it's
getting the original series back on TV or getting more FK merchandise or
getting an FK movie.  In addition to this, the KtK staff also contribute to
paying for the ads.  And we do all of this gladly, knowing that we are doing
everything we can to help the FK cause.

So what I'm getting to here is, are we just wasting our time?  We only need
to raise another $640 before Nov. 25 to have enough to pay for the full page
ad.  And I'm beginning to wonder if anyone really wants us to.  There are
probably around 1,000 people on ForKni-L, and lots of people on the various
other lists.  All we need is for 128 of you to contribute $5...or 64 of you
to contribute $10...or 32 people to contribute $20.  Out of so many FK fans,
it would seem like it would be easy to do this, so now we're wondering why it
hasn't been.  If you don't want an FK movie or don't believe we will ever get
one, then think about getting more FK merchandise.  If you don't think that's
possible either, then think about getting the original series back on the
air, whether it be on SFC, TNT, CBS, or whatever.  This is what these ads are
about.  Along with the continued letter campaigns, a full page ad is our best
shot by far at being heard.  The recent full page Lexx ad was nothing short
of spectacular and resulted in big media attention including an article in
Cinescape.  We really need this ad, and we really need it to be a full page.
Lexx fans raised $3,700...can't we raise $2,700?

We are not above begging at this point.  ***Please*** help us make this ad
happen.  To contribute via credit card through PayPal, please visit the KtK
website at http://www.ktk.op.nu or http://members.aol.com/ktkpage or to
contribute via cashier's check or money order (no personal checks please),
please make payable to Hollywood Reporter (not to KtK) and mail ASAP to:
Kickstart the Knight
P.O. Box 1914
Racine, WI 53401-1914

Please help us keep working for FK!  Thank you!

Becky -- DFKS, DK, IB, DT, UF, Ravenette, Cousin, FOD
http://members.aol.com/BJDFKFan, http://members.aol.com/DKfanfic
We're cut adrift, but still floating.  I'm only hanging on to watch you go
down...my love.  (Bono, U2)
The world was bankrupted of ten million fine actions the night she passed on.
 (paraphrased from Ray Bradbury's F. 451, in memory of Libby M.)


Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:51:05 EST
From:    BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

Errm...sorry about how my post was formatted...must've been an AOL thing.
That'll teach me to upgrade to a beta version! :-(



Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:56:03 EST
From:    TRAPPERG2@a.......
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

Of course we do! I for one, appreciate your incredible efforts in this area.
It's people like you who'll be responsible for getting TPTB to sit up and
take notice. I'm forwarding your posts to 2 other FK lists, and I hope others
are doing the same.

Money talks, people! I paypal'd my $5, how about you?



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:05:02 +1300
From:    Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

> Money talks, people! I paypal'd my $5, how about you?
> Trapper

Agreed! I am putting my $5 bucks in... Every dollar counts.
This could mean more books, CD's, etc! So go on...Give when the collector



Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:10:38 -0800
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

> KtK's drive to raise enough funds for a full page ad for FK in the
> Hollywood Reporter has so far only raised $360 of the $1,000 which is
> needed to add to the funds already raised in our recent auction.

I don't know why, but I thought enough money had already been raised.

> We only need to raise another $640 before Nov. 25 to have enough to
> pay for the full page ad.  And I'm beginning to wonder if anyone
> really wants us to.

I do!!  I've paypal'd my $10 in addition to the money I put into the

Cloud         <clouddancer@h.......>
Vaquera, Incarnate, Lonely Heart, Valentine,
Soņadore & closet Night Haven


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:33:18 -0800
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: FK sighting

I was watching a show called 'Exhibit A' on The Learning Channel. As the
closing credits were rolling, what did I see?

Music composed and performed by Fred Mollin



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:11:25 +0000
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

I'll forward your message over to all the places that I can think of that it
isn't already. We've got to make this work.



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:54:35 GMT
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante26@h.......>
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

Hi Everyone:

I just made a $10.00 payment for the ad. (By the way, using PayPal is really
easy in case anyone is interested....)

By the way, here are some ideas for bringing back FK (Kristin, Becky and
others may want to comment).

1.  "Challenge to SciFi":  When the next month's campaign reaches SciFi,
perhaps a challenge/suggestion might be sent with it.  We could ask them to
run a FK chain reaction (and maybe, ask them for the ability to vote on the
episodes that we want to see.  USA does this with some of their marathons,
and it really works great as another way of showing fan interest!)  Once the
marathon airs, then we hit them with emails, calls, letters, etc.--saying
that "we really appreciate what you're doing", "How about more of this?".
This way, we can all get involved in an alternative way....

2.  Other networks to approach:  I know that KtK has enough targets, but as
one of those fans who is looking for alternative networks:  How about
TVLand, Fox, UPN, or A&E?  They both run classic shows and might be
receptive to having FK (with all of us eager watchers out there ready to
watch).  Also, has anyone thought of approaching Renaissance Studios with
this idea?  With Xena ending her run at the end of the season, perhaps they
might be willing to pick up FK (a new version)?  UPN might also be a
plausible target as well.

3.  (Going out on a limb dept.):  Do the owners of the FK label, name, etc.
realize how much money that they are losing by holding off on marketing?  (I
know that we all know....My apologies, I'm venting.)  Maybe this has already
been tried, but we (as a fan group) might approach the owning group
(Disney?) and ask them if they might consider marketing the show, or selling
the rights to someone else that would.  Even my friends who don't watch the
show are shocked that the "Powers that Be" don't move in this regard.  (I
still want my FK mousepad BTW....) Besides, Columbia House Video might be
one avenue for the videos in the series.  (They have a section on classic TV

Thanks everyone for listening.  I know that we are all trying.  (And, with
my schedule, I wish that I had more time to spare.... )  I can say that I
really appreciate the efforts by the KtK folks.  Hopefully, these
suggestions might be helpful to them.




Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:41:09 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

I have to admit I haven't been paying very close attention to non-political
campaigns recently (It's that Attention Specificity Disorder again <g>), but
Becky's note highlighted some attention-getting points.

The people who've dedicated their time and effort to KtK over the years
deserve some heartfelt thanks and appreciation. People like Susan, Becky,
April, June, and retired members like Jules and Bobbie, have bent over
backward, busted their brains, butts and wallets to keep Forever Knight
on TPTBs minds since 1997. They can't do it without the support of other fans,
whether that comes in the form of letters, e-mails, or pocket change.

Is what KtK does important? Yes. Someone on FKFIC-L uses the quote
'No feedback IS feedback' in their sig. That's what it's all about.
Silence speaks volumes.

If few fans make any effort to express how they feel in regards to
Forever Knight in a tangible way that can reach TPTB, they will forget
the show exists. As important as letters are, how many of you have gotten
one of those nifty little postcards of acknowledgment signed by some
assistant at Sci-Fi and such? We can't be certain that the network execs
pick up our earnest postal correspondence and consider what we have to
say. They do, however, pick up Variety and the Hollywood Reporter. That's
where the buzz is. That's where we reach not just TPTB on the letter-focus
list, but the entire industry. That's where we can build the interest for
TPTB to go looking for those letters that fans have put their time, hearts and
souls into writing. We can make them think about Forever Knight with the
Hollywood Reporter advertisement. That's important.

Hey, I passed the stage where I think new movies are feasible a while back,
and I'm only mildly interested in merchandise (unless they come up with some
FK non-sensible shoes - then call me sold). What I want to see is the original
series back in rotation on a network. I met a charming fan fiction writer from
the 'Emergency' fandom last weekend on my flight home from New York, and she
brought up how the play that series gets on TVLand has brought new life
to the fandom. Forever Knight deserves the same opportunity to entertain
longtime fans and impress new viewers.

It is important that Kickstart the Knight's mission continue. I may have
lost the faith and drive to be one of those hard-working KtK members a while
back (I hope everyone picked up from Becky's note how challenging maintaining
their endeavor can be over the long haul), but I still made my donation to
support the cause.

What's $5?

$5 is less than the US Minimum Hourly Wage. The chance to see Forever Knight
broadcast on television again is at least worth that, especially when compared
to the enjoyable volume of hours that viewing, reading, listening and discussing
the show has already given us over the years. If you haven't already contributed,
please consider not only the value of what you hope to gain as a Forever Knight
fan in the future, but the value of what you've already received.

Thanks for reading, and thanks to KtK for their ongoing campaign efforts
in the face of adversity.


Bonnie Rutledge........<br1035@i.......>........Single and Fabulous!
"Somebody stop him! He stole my strappy sandals!!!" - 'Sex and the City'
Welcome Michael Scott Sauscito, born 11/8/2000 - Congrats Mike and Amber!


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:44:09 EST
From:    TRAPPERG2@a.......
Subject: Re: Do you want us to continue?

In a message dated 11/10/00 9:39:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
br1035@i....... writes:

<< $5 is less than the US Minimum Hourly Wage. >>

It's also less than a videotape of FK would cost, if such were available. A
small price to pay toward an ad that can't help but get attention. Maybe a
note at the bottom of the ad could mention how many fans contributed towards
the ad. The more contributions, the more names. The more names, the more
attention will be paid. Hey, if enough people contribute, we could get a 2
page ad...or 2 issues in a row! It could happen!! But only if we make it



Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:56:46 EST
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: LCA Video and Video Dailies Purchase Agreement

Greetings, all.

I understand the interest that fans have in seeing more FK
footage. But recently certain fans have been rather persistent
in trying to get copies of dailies, etc.

The only tape I purchased at LCA3 this year was a screening
master of "Spin Doctor." And here is what I just received in the
mail for my signature:

"I hereby agree that I will not copy or distribute the contents of
these tapes for any monetary contribution, trade or barter, whether
for profit or for charity. I understand these tapes are copyrighted
material and <underline> any duplication </underline> of this
material is a violation of US, Canadian, and international
copyright law. I agree that violation of this agreement will result
in my inability to attend future MPICA charity auctions or bidding
on items."

So I ask for those eager fans to please understand the restrictions
under which we are being placed. I can only suggest that you try
to find other local fans in your city or state, or arrange some kind
of showing of whatever anyone *does* have at a local con. But
please -- asking the same group of people over and over won't
help you.

Best wishes,
We do have a modicum of ironic detachment from which we
fling ourselves wholeheartedly into this nonsense.


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:35:18 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: LC, Where Are You When We Need You!

Oh my gosh...
I can't believe what a farce this election has become!
(Kyer imagines this Nightcrawler scene with an American caller):

Caller:  "I voted for the wrong person!  I demand my civil right to sue
              somebody for not stopping me from doing something dumb
              before I did it!"
LC:      "Really?  Did you ask for a new ballot after publicly tearing up
              your old one?"
Caller:  "No.  That would have been a waste of paper.  'Save a tree', that's
LC:      "How... ecologicaly correct of you."
Caller:  "But I voted for the wrong person, Mr. Nightcrawler!"
LC:      "Dare I assume that you read the names carefully before punching
              the little fang--er--drill into the hole."
Caller:  "Yeah, but the ballot was confusing to read.  It was a conspiracy
              to steal my vote!"
LC:      "Did you go to volunteer to ask for an explanation on the parts you
              found confusing?"
Caller:  "Heck, no!  I didn't wanna appear to be an idiot.  So I just
              punched a dot without thinking.  Then I just circled my *real*
              choice in pencil so that the electronic hole-counter would
              know I'd
              made the wrong choice."
LC:      "Yess...I can see where you might find *thinking* a problem." (To
              rest of audience) "My, my... It sounds to me like Charle's Theory
              of Natural Selection is still holding up.  How pleased Mr. Darwin
              would be if he knew." (Rolls eyes to ceiling)

Isn't there a monologue where LC puts down humans as an inferior race?
Without a decent set of brains?  I'd love to be able to post it where the
politicians could see it.

Thoroughly disgusted,  : (=
Kyer, kyer@p.......


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:40:51 MST
From:    Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: Re: Proper Voting Attire

> > OOOOOOH! I want one too!  that would be the coolest!
>I'm afraid I don't even remember who made it.
>       - Don

:(  (Ok, someone get the tar, I'll bring the feathers!)  Lynch him, lynch
him! <G>


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:42:09 MST
From:    Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: Re: Proper Voting Attire

Do you still have any?  (pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease!)

>I was the one who did the shirts 4 years ago.  I still have the web page up
>if anyone wants to see what they looked like.  It's at
>http://members.aol.com/fff1/pres.html  (Very strange to see those pictures
>again, my daughter is now 19 and in her second year of college away in
>England.)  I actually forgot the page was still there.


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