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FORKNI-L Digest - 27 Aug 2000 to 28 Aug 2000 (#2000-270)

Mon, 28 Aug 2000

There are 15 messages totalling 635 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Was Lucius a Pompeiian?? (2)
  2. Music Video Saga...the end? (please?)
  3. Or not...
  4. Video alternative URL (2)
  5. Television Series VHS Cover Sheet for Forever Knight (2)
  6. List Hist
  7. Admin: Forkni-l rules
  8. Video alternative URL & YKYHB & Sci Fi Channels New FK Page
  9. Fw: Ben Bass ALERT
 10. lucius a pompeiian or roman
 11. Video alternative URL **HELP!!** <G>
 12. Lucius Roman


Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:09:08 EDT
From:    Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Re: Was Lucius a Pompeiian??

Marel Darby <Frostsaint1@a.......> wrote:
><snip>he was visiting his (ex?) mistress in Pompeii at the
time of the eruption <snip> the elderly senator (?) welcomed him
home, but that's a standard phrase to use to someone returned from the >

I have a comment & related questions:
#1-- remember that at the home (?) of LC'a mistress Selene & Divia-- there
was also on display the bust of General Lucius-- any reason that should have
been there-- unless LC had brought it along with him to 'show off' there
during his visit? Or could the 'Welcome Home Triumphant General' Party even
been held at LC's home or his vacation home?

#2-- ummmmm... how do we know the occupation of Divia's mother? When I had
first seen her and flashbacks to LC's mortal life & re-birth as a vampire at
Pompeii-- I assumed that Selene and LC had been lovers and possibly even
thought it possible that she had been married to someone other than LC
--references by LC to 'your daughter' and it apparently being a surprise
that Divia knew that LC was her father. I thought that Selene was of the
'upper class' and also thought originally that maybe the 'party' was being
held at Selene's home-- she tells LC that she has "guests to attend to". How
is it then that folks say that Selene was a Madame and ran a 'House of
Prostitution'-- I was just wondering...

Angel a.k.a. Doņa Angel
Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious Spaniard/VaqDreamer/INCArnate
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Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:08:41 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Re: Was Lucius a Pompeiian??

-----Original Message-----
From: Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
>I have a comment & related questions:
>#1-- remember that at the home (?) of LC'a mistress Selene & Divia-- there
>was also on display the bust of General Lucius-- any reason that should have
>been there--

First, it was common practice for a Roman to display busts of the prominent
man to whom he or she was a client. This was an established relationship. It
was impossible to be a man of importance or status without being a patron,
if only to his family's freed slaves and their descendants. Since Roman
prostitutes were usually slaves, if have an idea that Seline might have been
a slave freed by Lucius's family, or the daughter of one. (Note: Roman free
women could become prostitutes but it was unusual.) Second, there was no
disgrace to a Roman man in being the patroness of a brothel owner, or in
being known to frequent the place. For Seline  (so spelled in the script,
although it's wrong for the period, which would be Selene) to have Lucius's
bust in her house would be like the modern habit of displaying signed
photographs of prominent patrons at a business.. Besides, this particular
house is clearly run as if it were a private residence.

    >#2-- ummmmm... how do we know the occupation of Divia's mother?

It's in the script that the scene is a brothel, the women in the scene are
prostitutes, and that Seline is the madame. The only visual clue, as it came
across on film, was something that you have to already know about to catch.
Seline is wearing a red toga -- the required badge of a prostitue. Togas
normally were for men and the red is obvious.

Another giveaway, if you know something about Roman law, is that Seline is
able to prevent Lucius from seeing Divia. Roman women of high status simply
didn't have acknowledged illegitmate children. So Seline cannot ever have
been Lucius's wife and Divia is illegitimate. Roman fathers of legitimate
children had absolute power over them. The mother had none. Seline is able
to tell Lucius he can't see Divia, something she could only have done if, in
law, Divia had no father because her mother wasn't married.

Btw, I think the bust is a new aquisition because it attracts comment. The
men don't appear to have seen it before.

Another thing I've been meaning to mention is that Roman men of such status
as being in the senate (which Lucius has to be in order to be a legate, or
general) were required to live in Rome. He probably does have a holiday
villa in the region of Pompeii-Herculaneum. It was a status symbol like a
house in the Hamptons for a rich and successful New Yorker. Besides, a
senator had to own a substantial amount of land in Italy. But it's most
unlikely that he normally lives at Pompeii when not with his legion.

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Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:56:20 -0400
From:    Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Music Video Saga...the end? (please?)

Recap for those who may have missed it: made a music vid.  Wanted to
share a Quicktime movie file with those of you who are interested.  Have
had the devil's own time finding a place to put it where you could get
at it.

Also, got choked up several times in the process of capturing and
editing footage.  Whimper warnings are in effect...Nick&NatPackers, this
means you!  ;-)

I have to confess I cast unwarranted aspersions on Crosswinds.  Not only
do they not have spontaneously-vanishing-account problems, they're a
little *too* competent!  Seems they take their "no copyrighted
materials" rule VERY seriously--so seriously that my account was
unceremoniously zapped within hours of the vid being uploaded.  Fallout
from the Napster mess, I s'pose.  While it's annoying to me personally
(hey, okay, derivative work, I'm down with that...but dadgummit, it was
still WORK!), I gotta admire their efficiency.

If anyone has been in the market for a free file storage/sharing server,
and wants observations, feel free to email me.  I've tried more than my
share of them this weekend!  (I think the final count is 5.) As a
result, Val's Poor Orphan Music Vid now resides at:


Word to the wise: when they say on their front page that their site is
best viewed with Netscape 4.51 or higher, or IE 4.x or 5.x, they're not
kidding.   I hadn't bothered to upgrade in a while, and almost went on
to try the *next* server on the list because what I was using until this
afternoon (Netscape 4.08) wouldn't read the public URL page properly.
Since I was the first place I had managed to successfully upload the
darn thing to, I was not a happy camper!  But after upgrading my browser
 I had no trouble.

Also, this sucker is just over 30 MB.  Best I could do and still be able
to see/hear anything.  Plus it *is* a free site, therefore slow (and
yes, I'm profoundly spoiled by having my web pages on Dreamhost...wish I
could afford to add sufficient disk space there!), so allot download
time accordingly.

Haven't tested the download on a PC yet, but I do know the movie file
itself works fine there.  If anyone who's interested still has trouble
getting it, let me know; I'm still hoping to be able to access my Xoom
account directory sometime before I retire.
Valerie Meachum Kessler ~ valerie@w....... ~ www.wiliqueen.com
"I've never had to find a hard question in my life.  They've
always found me first." -- Mara Jade


Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:06:02 -0400
From:    Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Or not...

One nice person has already tried it out on a PC for me, and no go.
*pout*  So if you're on a PC and you get two frames with the JustOn logo
and an ad apiece, and no movie file, I'm on it.  Either I'll get them to
fix it or find another place...
Valerie Meachum Kessler ~ valerie@w....... ~ www.wiliqueen.com
"I've never had to find a hard question in my life.  They've
always found me first." -- Mara Jade


Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:58:57 -0400
From:    Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Video alternative URL

Okay, this one seems more promising--not even minor problems with signup
or upload.  Downside is you have to sign up for an account in order to
get shared files.  With any luck, tho, that means they won't have the
download limit JustOn does.


Unless I hear from folks who can't get this one to work (which, to be
frank, at this point I fully expect, so don't feel bad!), I'm going to
take a break from looking for alternatives.  Hopefully Xoom will get
their act together soon, and I'll finally have access to my 500 MB of
space there.
Valerie Meachum Kessler ~ valerie@w....... ~ www.wiliqueen.com
"I've never had to find a hard question in my life.  They've
always found me first." -- Mara Jade


Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:01:51 -0700
From:    "Jan J." <jonesjan@g.......>
Subject: Television Series VHS Cover Sheet for Forever Knight

Greetings my fellow listees,

Last Tuesday, August 22, I was cruising the Internet
and ran across this site called "Dragon Citings"
http://www.scifi2k.com run by Crimson Black
( a.k.a. Tim Blackwell )  that had TV & Movie VHS
cover sheets free to download.

I noticed there was no Forever Knight so I put in
a request for one.  Well to make a long story short
using the color photos and slides from my 3rd
season press kit we now have one!

Tim finished it today and has it featured on his
main page. Go check it out at http://www.scifi2k.com
and drop him a line with your comments.

Jan (a.k.a. Dark Knightie Jan, Jan1228)

WebMistress of: 'The Dark Knight Lair'- http://www.alpinemeadow.com/fk/
Please vote for TDKL at:
List Assistant to: Forever Knight Cross Stitchers - fkxs,fkPagans,NKHarem
Owner of: Fans of Forever Knight WebRing
Co-Owner of: Yahoo! Clubs - Forever Knight  CERK Radio


Date:    Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:30:37 -0400
From:    Jayekitty Phoenix <phoenix@s.......>
Subject: Re: List Hist

Hiya, Kathy.  I'm guessing you didn't get my private response on the
list's founding.  I did it, it's my fault, there is no one else to blame.
:)  It was done, this act of insanity, on a cold and grey day in State
College, Pennsylvania, on December 9th, 1992.  My original commentary on
such an event was published in Forever Net #1, which I have lying around
my apartment somewhere.

Hi everyone else!  Hi especially to our very own list dino, Valerie
Meachum Kessler, who once hosted a small Halloween-style party in her
apartment for two wayward listowners who promptly got lost on the way back
from Ohio. :)  All I can say about that is... Laurie was driving. ;)

________   _   ________
 \___   \_~ |_/   ___/          The Phoenix
   \___         ___/            Jean Prior
     \____   ____/              Aka The Jayekitty
         /   \                  Harbinger of all things weird,
         \   /                  Where normality is simply illegal,
          ~~~                   The Jayezilla cometh.  Raaaaarrr!!


Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:41:10 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Video alternative URL

Valerie had a hard time with her file I put it on one of my web sites.  You can
now see it at


Now it is large so it will take a long time to download, but it is well worth
the wait.  She also said I could try converting it so I may play around with it
and convert it to a Real Player file to make it smaller.  IF I am able to do
that I will put that on the site as well.

Again, this is great.  She put a lot of time in this.

"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun."  Katherine Hepburn


Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:41:44 -0700
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Television Series VHS Cover Sheet for Forever Knight

Way to go Jan!!!  It looks great!!!


Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:39:43 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Admin: Forkni-l rules

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:47:21 EDT
From:    Billie Lee <McCelt2000@a.......>
Subject: Re: Video alternative URL & YKYHB & Sci Fi Channels New FK Page

Morning All!

Boy I am hot this morning, I mailed this to Valerie (waving in embarrassment
<G>) instead of the List here a bit ago <LOL>

In a message dated 8/27/00 6:59:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
valerie@w....... writes:

> http://www.freedrive.com/ASP/PostFolderShortcut.asp?fsc=10748046

Mine is still downloading so that is a good sign, hope it works <g> thanks
**PS** Well, shoot, it downloaded but now it won't do anything the Quicktime
logo just sits there, and it took an hour to download at 56K, too <g>
OK, You know you have been thinking about Forever Knight too much when.....

You go bowling (haven't been in 20 years or more <g>) with your SO, his two
brothers for a combination birthday party since they were all born in

..........then, you share this with one of your FK e-friends <wave, wave> who
replies having thought that Schanke would have loved this.........

...........then you start thinking about all sorts of things Schanke would
have loved including bowling <g>

HUH, that did not come out quite the way I planned <sigh>, it was funnier
when I read the email from my friend <waves again>!!

Anyone think that new opening page (rather nifty, IMHO) for Forever Knight at
the Sci Fi Channel site is a good sign they might be thinking of bringing it
back.....?  Here is the URL in case anyone missed it (I got it from the KoC
list) <A HREF="http://www.scifi.com/fknight/">http://www.scifi.com/fknight/</A

Who knows except TPTB :>)

Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee (who did get 2 strikes bowling, but also <great mind picture-->
had one episode of going **down the alley** with her bowling ball still
attached to her hand, knee is on ice, but who will live, and who has decided
to stick to pool <no pun intended> since her SO got her a graphite cue she
hasn't quite got the hang of yet, LOLOLOLOL)Hi all,


Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:42:01 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Fw: Ben Bass ALERT

-----Original Message-----
From: Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Forwarded because there seems to be a problem with this post's maybe not
making it to the list. If it's a duplicate, sorry. The Old Gray Mare's
memory ain't what it used to be, either. :) -- McLisa
>>From: "Doņa Angel" <donaangel@h.......>
>>Subject: Ben Bass ALERT
>>Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:52:14 EDT
>>Greetings, all!
>>I do not know if anyone has mentioned this yet, and I hope someone
>>CAN confirm this-- but this morning I saw the end of today's ep of
>>the series "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" hoping to see a preview of the
>>upcoming ep-- and I saw that the next ep is SUPPOSED to be "Honey,
>>Like Father, Like Son" which The Awesome BEN BASS is in!!! It originally
>>aired in April, and Ben is absolutely marvelous in it!!!
>>-- and be sure that if you tape it to start a minute or so ahead
>>of the scheduled time, as Ben is in it from the VERY beginning and
>>throughout the show, even to the final scene.--{{{Actually, I personally
>>recommend that even if you already taped it, tape it
>>again-- so you have it 'just in case' you wear out the first tape!
>>:) *BVaqG*}}} This is a 'MUST SEE' for fans of Ben and Vachon--
>>and I personally enjoyed seeing it a lot-- Ben is a VERY versatile
>>and talented actor, in addition to being extremely handsome. And if
>>any of you have seen Ben in ShowTime's series "Beggars & Choosers",
>>I recommend you watch this-- as you'll be able to see this extremely
>>talented actor-- not only in a very different role than you're used
>>to seeing as 'Brian Pesky', but Ben even LOOKS different! I am really quite
>>PLEASANTLY surprised at how different Mr. Bass looks as so many different
>>characters-- but, IMHVaqO, ALWAYS extraordinarily handsome
>>-- whether as the AWESOME Javier D. Vachon, or Rufus in 'Hollywood
>>Off-Ramp, Brian in B&C, and most recently as Russ --a Gua alien in SciFi's
>>"First Wave"-- and he's plays so many different types of characters so very
>>If you go to the Official Ben Bass Fan Club [BBFC] web site
>><www.benbassfanclub.com> and go to 'Ben's Biography', you'll
>>see 'Ben's Professional Biography', go to the section on that
>>page for 'Television Series'-- if you click some of the Programs' titles,
>>you will be able to literally FEAST your eyes on pictures
>>of Ben in his many t.v. appearances-- including in the "Honey I
>>Shrunk the Kids" ep #320, in which he plays the "ND-3 Controller,
>>an agent with the Canadian Secret Service". And while you're there,
>>I HIGHLY recommend that you check out all the other WONDERFUL pics
>>of Ben, as well as go to the 'What's New' section as well as FAQ's. It's
>>really a GREAT website full of wonderful info and pics of a
>>very special actor-- whom I and many others came to know of thru FOREVER
>>KNIGHT when he brought our beloved Javier vachon to unlife
>>in such an awesome and unforgettable way!
>>***'Honey I Shrunk the Kids' is a produced by Disney, but it is
>>NOT aired on the Disney cable channel. You can get an idea of
>>when this series airs in your area if you go to
>><http://disney.go.com/disneytelevision/honeyishrunk/> BUT this
>>does not always give accurate info-- it DID help me in that it
>>gave the correct STATION/Channel for me in the Phila.,PA area-
>>UPN channel 57, BUT gave the WRONG day and time-- that website
>>had Sunday at 11am-- but it is locally listed as and airs here SATURDAYS at
>>10am-- it may even be a different day or night where
>>you are, and it would be a shame if you missed this ep the second
>>time around and this may be your last chance to see Ben in this ep!
>>So PLEASE check out your local listings anyway for correct and
>>current days, times, and station-- especially if you're going to
>>be busy this upcoming holiday weekend [in the US].
>>{{{My apologies for those who get this message on more than
>>one list!}}}
>Angel a.k.a. Doņa Angel - Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious
>Spaniard/Future Proud Vaq Brat/VaqDreamer/INCArnate/with Immortal Beloveds,
>Ravenette,Urchin & DarkHearts Tendencies
>Check out BBFC Web site: http://www.benbassfanclub.com


Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:00:04 -0500
From:    monica rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: lucius a pompeiian or roman

Thanks for all the comments on pompeii and vesuvius.  and thanks, LIbs, i had
totally thrown in that comment about LC being a pompeiian.  we always refer to
him as a roman.  i can very easily see him going to pompeii for vacation.  is
his roman ancestry canon, though?  or assumed?  would he have to be roman to
be a general?  anyone know how it works?

oh, and btw, what are the two precincts nick worked for?  96th and ??

luscious lucius lover
"...all you need to give me is your very soul..."


Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:19:16 EDT
From:    Billie Lee <McCelt2000@a.......>
Subject: Re: Video alternative URL **HELP!!** <G>

Can anyone help me get to one of these URL's

I have tried them all, even signed up for the "Freedrive" one in trying to
see this neat video thing......if someone has been successful in saving it to
hard drive, then could you please (if such a thing is possible) mail it to me
as a video file to

<A HREF="mccelt2000@a.......">mccelt2000@a.......</A>  off list?  I would be
most appreciative.

Or someone could give me the Idiot's version of how to get to it <g>, I must
be doing something wrong (I prefer to think it is AOL's fault <LOL>).

Thanks in advance, either way!

Forever Yours,


Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:12:13 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Lucius Roman

Monica asks:
>his roman ancestry canon, though?  or assumed?  would he have to be roman to
>be a general?  anyone know how it works?

He not only had to be a Roman citizen, he had to be sufficiently rich (I've
forgotten the precise amount but it was the equivalent of the modern
millionaire with all of the qualifying amount invested in land in Italy.)
Then he has to be a senator, which meant one of a very limited class of men
elected to the senate. This is because a Roman general, called a legate, was
technically a member of the senate delegated to go and take charge of a
legion in the Roman army. Under the empire this was evolving more toward
what we would recognize as career army or navy, but it was still true that
the senate appointed the legates from their own ranks. No matter how fine an
officer you might have been during the service that was usual for Roman
young men, you were never going to be a legate unless you were rich enough
and could get elected to the senate.  Normally the emperor made the actual
choice but he would not have done so outside the senatorial ranks unless he
wanted a revolt. There were some things the senate would not tolerate.

Incidentally, I asked John Kapelos at a con, after he kept referring to
Lucius as "the emperor," if the character had originally been written as the
emperor. He said yes. (For those who've forgotten, JK directed A More
Permanent Hell.)

Thank goodness they changed this, since the emperor at the time of the
Pompeii disaster was Titus, generally considered one of the best emperors,
politically and in his personal character, Rome ever had. Besides, of course
he didn't die or disappear in the erruption. :)

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l


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