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Digest - 25 Apr 2000 to 26 Apr 2000 (#2000-122)
Wed, 26 Apr 2000
There are 8 messages totalling 232 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Ornery Orwellian Computers & Just Plain Spinning (3)
2. A Matter of Angst (4)
3. FK guidebook--help needed -from fkguide@h.......
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:01:01 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Ornery Orwellian Computers & Just Plain Spinning
In a message dated Tue, 25 Apr 2000 4:53:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Brenda
F. Bell" <webwarren@e.......> writes:
That's the one in which Nick and Schanke are profiled on a
> COPS-like TV show, and the cameraman gets Nick flying on tape...
>
> It's the one episode where we actually see Enforcers.
>
Why not a FK version focusing on the Toronto Underground?
Yeah, some o' you droogs get it - a reality like show featuring "Screed,
Plainsclothed Cop"
--Libs
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:56:21 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Ornery Orwellian Computers & Just Plain Spinning
Brenda wrote:
> Have you forgotten the "Unreality TV" ep of FK (or have you had the chance
> to see it)? That's the one in which Nick and Schanke are profiled on a
> COPS-like TV show, and the cameraman gets Nick flying on tape...
When I referred to C.O.P.'s, I was actually thinking more along the line of
Enforcer Home Movies.
Hey! There's another idea for the overbite crowd!
The Community's Greatest Home Videos and Bloopers!
Muffed child making, whammies gone awry, Enforcer practical jokes.
:)=
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:04:47 -0400
From: urtikit@m.......
Subject: A Matter of Angst
Happened to rewatch the episode "Queen of Harps" the
other day, and it got me thinking again about a topic
that piqued my curiosity the first time I saw it, too.
The ep seems to be a good example of a fairly
angst-free Nick, even as he veers into his outsider,
above-the-law mode, don't you think?
First, he resorts to grand theft by taking off with
the harp. I find it a bit intriguing that he doesn't
show much hesitation at this point in his life -- or
remorse, for that matter, except when Natalie confronts
him about it. He doesn't return it, or make any plans
to rectify the situation. Don't forget this is the guy
who felt guilty enough not to use a questionably
obtained confession from a child killer, or eventually
refused to lie on the stand to convict a murderer. Does
the justification that the harp was stolen 800 years
ago have merit, compared to the rationalizations
available to him in these other cases?
Now, I believe that there was originally supposed to be
some magical harp music that called to him in the
auction house, (which some sound effects tech forgot to
include <g>) and this was supposed to have lent some
additional explanation for why he went into the locked
storeroom in the first place. But still... he flat out
steals it, otherworldly inspiration or not.
Then, as a result of this larceny, a woman is arrested
and under suspicion of *Nick's* crime -- and not just
the theft, but of murder, too.
To top it off, two men end up dead. Granted,
one of them wasn't a nice guy -- a murderer, in
fact -- but after the non-judgmental stance
Nick had taken in LYTD, it's a bit ... odd?
All this from Nick -- the guy who blamed
himself for getting Schanke and Cohen killed
because of an arrest he made. Totally irrational,
fairly angsty... but it's Nick.
Why the difference in QoH, do you suppose?
(Of course, it goes without saying that these are *not*
one-note characters, so changes in attitudes and
different, unpredictable reactions are part of the
fun! But we haven't covered this topic in a while, and
I was just wondering what theories others might have
about this.)
Kit
urtikit@m.......
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:22:22 EDT
From: TRAPPERG2@a.......
Subject: FK guidebook--help needed -from fkguide@h.......
Help for the unofficial FK guidebook is needed! <g>
1. Does anybody have any publicity packets with bio info that we can glean
some info from?
2. Outsourced Music -- we think we know who did the outsourced song in
Feeding the Beast and the club scene in Outside the Lines.
Please respond privately to fkguide@h.......
Many thanks!!!
MacCousin Heather and Sukh
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:51:29 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: A Matter of Angst
Kit asked:
> All this from Nick -- the guy who blamed
> himself for getting Schanke and Cohen killed
> because of an arrest he made. Totally irrational,
> fairly angsty... but it's Nick.
> Why the difference in QoH, do you suppose?
Perhaps Nick the man was enough distracted by the memories of his mortal
past that his vampire side was allowed about with less supervision? It
seemed he was more vampirish in that Season.
Or is it just me?
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:00:14 -0500
From: Emma Lighton <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: A Matter of Angst
Kyer wrote:
>Perhaps Nick the man was enough distracted by the memories of his mortal
>past that his vampire side was allowed about with less supervision? It
I've got to agree with Kyer here. All of Nick's actions in that ep. seem to
be motivated by his feelings for the woman in the flashback.
>seemed he was more vampirish in that Season.
>Or is it just me?
No, you didn't seem vampirish at all in that Season. ;)
Emma (elighton@b.......)
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head Mouse Clicker
Survivor of Wars 9 and 10
"I like my music dark and bitter, not my beverages."
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:14:35 -0400
From: Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: Ornery Orwellian Computers & Just Plain Spinning
----- Original Message -----
From: Brenda F. Bell <webwarren@e.......>
> Have you forgotten the "Unreality TV" ep of FK >
No, I haven't forgotten "Unreality TV", but I think that Kyer and I were
thinking of having the Enforcers act as the C.O.P's in our version. You
know, tracking down and taking care of both mortals and immortals who
willingly break the Code.
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:54:17 -0400
From: "Rob K." <rsklinge@n.......>
Subject: Re: A Matter of Angst
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 urtikit@m....... wrote:
> (Of course, it goes without saying that these are *not*
> one-note characters, so changes in attitudes and
> different, unpredictable reactions are part of the
> fun! But we haven't covered this topic in a while, and
"Don't mind Nick's hypocriticism. It's just a mood swing!" <g> I love
it. We all (myself included) are willing to put up with bad writing and
find ways to justify how the characters did things.
In all seriousness, though, I don't think I'm personally capable of
handling such drastic changes in my own psyche (like feeling guilty about
theft in only certain instances,) but then I also cannot honestly say that
I know how I would react in various scenarios. But having some woman take
the fall for a crime *I* committed? I'm pretty angsty, (though not nearly
as much as Nick is,) but I don't think I'd let someone else pay for a
crime I committed.
But then, I'm not 800 years old, and... or am I just putting up with bad
writing and trying to overlook a bad day for the writers (hey, it
happens! I'm far from perfect myself!)
BTW, this post was intended to be fun. I'd like to think that the writers
of the show, nor anyone else, would be offended by what I've written here.
But then, if they take themselves so seriously that they get offended by
anything on this list, maybe it wouldn't matter what I've said. ;)
Take care!
Rob K. - lurker extraordinaire
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