File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" part 15 TOPICS: Headlines I'd pay to see Fleur-Boosting SOS-FK campaign (4) SOS-FK (History) LONG (2) Fanfic? LaCroix's Personality ANYONE OUT THERE APRIL 14TH IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen! (2) Taping Offer FK Taping Offer A Response from USA (3) McGregors & Bunnies It can happen Okay ... SOS-FK SOS-FK line in the sig A Response from USA; SOS-FK ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:59:12 -0400 From: Angie <alasher@e.......> Subject: Headlines I'd pay to see >Please tell our "panel audience" what tacky, humorous, relevant, tabloid or >other HEADLINE you would like to see for Forever Knight! AND in what >publication (if you want): Todays headline in the star - *I had a Vampires Love Child* Coroner in Canada gives birth to a baby that loves his cow's milk tinted with a little cow's blood. "I am just so proud of little Nicky!", mother proclaims. "He is so much like his father!". When asked by our reporter if she had considered breast feeding, Mrs. Knight replied, "If it wasn't for the fangs, and his constant going for my neck, I would have given it a shot". ~~~~~~~~~~~Lasher~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Bunny~Unnamed Faction~ MOO~ ~~~~~~Cousins of the Knight~~~~~~ ^^http://home.earthlink.net/~alasher^^ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:17:20 -0400 From: dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......> Subject: Re: Fleur-Boosting At 11:38 AM 6/6/96 -0700, Amy wrote: >to reiterate that there are those of us who believe that Nick's sister >Fleur -- intelligent, passionate, decisive, innocent and beautiful -- is >LC's True Love, that she is worthy of that love, and that LC has been >emotionally faithful to her for the eight centuries since he nobly gave >her up. > I must agree with you, Amy. Besides, I feel you do LaCroix a terrible injustice by invalidating his intense love for Fleur, it makes him multi-dimensional to think that even that "Evil LaCroix" can love fiercely, intensely and with his entire being....and yet give up that love for her sake. Makes even more sense as to why he holds Nick with such a tight fist... Dotti R Knightie 4-Ever dottir@w....... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:16:46 -0400 From: Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......> Subject: SOS-FK campaign As our illustrious leader Jamie Randela said: "I'd like to see a discussion on the viability of producing a short all-purpose promo spot for the "Friends of Forever Knight", outlining our basic goals and giving a couple of contact points -- the PO box, the web page and maybe a phone number -"( hope that's not too many lines of quote) I was drawing up a list of possible ideas for the FK campagin and this is an excellent one. An information packet similar to ones networks/production co.'s hand out on their shows (like the one from FK ), would have all the important information included and make it simple and direct for the person it's sent to to understand what we are all about. This packet should be sent to any media contacts as well. A more involved packet could include demographic surveys and merchandise requests. Comments from critics, fans and stats on increased viewership. Whew!! Any thoughts on hitting NAPTE again next year, not to sell FK for a fourth season but to gather/disperse information? Just a thought. Any Marketing experts out there? SW ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:22:54 -0700 From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......> Subject: Re: SOS-FK (History) LONG > Jamie created the wonderful SOS-FK Webpage, and > Incredible page!! Once again I had never witnessed anything so utterly > useful and organized so quickly...That page inspired me quite a bit Let me also add my 2 cents on the wonderful SOS page. I can't tell you how many times someone has shown up on IRC and had no idea about what has happened to the show. We are always giving out the URL as a place to get complete info. I have also used it for those who liked the show and missed it on USA, but had no idea it was also showing in syndication. I would get their city/state info and hop over to the syndie listing to find when and where FK was playing in their area. A truly wonderful resource! Thanks again to all the wonderful people who made this possible! Denise ~The Cousinly Ravenette~ ~TEDT~ ~Killer Bunny of the Clan McGregor~ "That Rabbit has a viscous streak a mile wide!It's a killer!" Tim,Enchanter ithildin@m....... ** Ask me about Forever Knight chat every evening on IRC EFNet!! ** *We are the Forever Knights who say "NI!" Bring us a shrubbery!* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:26:37 -0400 From: Anime House <marg@g.......> Subject: Fanfic? I'm looking for copies of a couple of Jamie Randell's stories, "Smoker's Penance: Vachon" and "Possible Futures". I've had no luck finding them on the Web--does anyone have copies they could forward to me through email? Thanks! Marg B. marg@g....... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:38:18 -0400 From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......> Subject: Re: SOS-FK campaign At 09:16 PM 6/6/96 -0400, Stephanie Way wrote: >An information packet similar to ones networks/production co.'s hand out on >their shows <snip>, would have all the important information included and >make it simple and direct for the person it's sent to to understand what we >are all about. This packet should be sent to any media contacts as well. I believe you're referring to a press kit. Cynthia Hoffman already has press kits made up for the SOS-FK campaign. They were sent out to media contacts all over the place. As she recently posted to this list, she still has some on hand. If you have suggestions of places to send them, why not post them? With all due respect, may I suggest that everyone who wasn't involved in the original SOS-FK campaign read the excellent posts from Susan Garrett (Slumping parts 1 and 2) and Laurie Cohen Fenster (re: SOS-FK (History) long). I'm sure that there are some great new ideas out there for steps to take to try to keep the interest in FK flowing, and I'd love to hear them. However, it doesn't make sense to me to duplicate work that has already been done -- and done very well. Jane (janes@i.......) Raven ** Immortal Beloved ** M.B.D.T.K Tread softly because you tread on my dreams [W.B. Yeats} ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:41:20 -0400 From: Lane Lombardia <longpath@n.......> Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality Lisa P. wrote: > #?? He has the entire collection of Walt Disney movies. > > Can you guess what his favorite would be? I was thinking, since he loathes Nick's brooding angst, that it would be 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, where Nemo is played as one of the most brooding characters in cinematic history. Don't mind me, I'm just looking for my mind. Have you seen it? Lane Lombardia <longpath@n.......> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:10:08 +1000 From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......> Subject: ANYONE OUT THERE Hi its me again if Carrie Krumtum is out there please email me cos its urgent so i am not wasting bandwith i wil tell you why i like Janette so much Firstly she is the best character and when they kicked her out of the show it lost something it wasnt the same. I also like her cos she is strong determined and very good at minipulating men!!! I mean that in a good way. anyhow She is a female Vampire with one killer body (pardon the pun) and she could make a man do anthing for her. I think she is funny and I like her sense of humour it is so witty. I also think that Deb Duchene is the best actress on the face of the earth and she brought Janette to life. Sometimes I almost forgot she was Deb and thought that Janette was really real (which she is!!) So there are my reasons for likeing Janette and everyone should like her too!! Shes the best from Janettes Fangs Mary md.young@s....... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:24:08 -0400 From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......> Subject: Re: APRIL 14TH hmm, the date could have endless associations.--- Someone's Anniversary, Birthday, Convention, Divorce, Exorcism, Fantasy, Graduation, Heart Transplant, Initiation, Jump Rope Award, Kidnapping,.... Mary Davis A mind is a wonderful thing when its wasted. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:24:11 -0400 From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......> Subject: Re: SOS-FK campaign In a message dated 96-06-06 21:40:03 EDT, you write: >it doesn't make sense to me to duplicate work that has already been done -- >and done very well. Actually it makes perfect sense. Duplication and repetition are often necessary to accomplish any goal. If the team that provided all that terrific work is justifiably tired now, let them have the help of "new blood". Mary Davis There's no business like Show Business. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:30:00 -0500 From: "J.S. Levin" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen! One of Angie's ideas was: >3. Speaking of cards, doesn't Master Card and Visa cater to certain >customers by >putting stuff on thier charge cards? I think my dad has a N.Y. Mets Visa. Oh, YES, they do! Children, until I decided that credit cards were a tool of the devil (anybody ever read the short story, "The Accountant" by Bradbury, I believe???<G>), I was the proud if somewhat indebted owner of a DRAGONCON/ACE (Atlanta Comix Expo) MasterCard. I wonder if Visa/MasterCard has thought about letting people put things like TV Show affiliations on cards....could be a money-maker! Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:54:05 -0700 From: Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......> Subject: Taping Offer Hi All-- I have had numerous responses to my offer. However, I only have 1 VCR right now that is hooked to cable. The winner has been notified privately. IF you don't hear from me, assume it's not you. Sorry to all those who are still waiting... Toni S. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:55:21 -0400 From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......> Subject: Re: SOS-FK campaign At 10:24 PM 6/6/96 -0400, Mary Davis wrote: >Actually it makes perfect sense. Duplication and repetition are often >necessary to accomplish any goal. I beg to differ. There are some very few things that it pays to duplicate and repeat, but it never pays to do exactly the same thing again and again. While we were encouraged to write to TPTB, the advertisers and anyone else we could think of that might help, one of the things that was stressed when the SOS-FK campaign got off the ground was NEVER to send duplicate letters. Every letter we sent had to be different from every other one. Could you please explain to me exactly what you think can be accomplishing by duplicating the press kits that already exist? It takes a lot of time and costs a fair bit of money to put together and mail out those kits. Since we've already done this, wouldn't this time and money be better spent on a "new" idea. >If the team that provided all that terrific work is justifiably tired now, >let them have the help of "new blood". As Susan Garrett already posted today, "we're doing the best thing possible, buying CDs and writing letters. It's quiet, but it's THE most effective response we can make at this time." If you really want to make a contribution to the SOS-FK campaign, write letters to TPTB, buy the CD, buy products from people who advertise during FK and send you receipts and a thank you letter to the advertiser, etc. If anyone has any new ideas to put forward, we are all very happy and eager to discuss them. Jane (janes@i.......) Raven ** Immortal Beloved ** M.B.D.T.K Tread softly because you tread on my dreams [W.B. Yeats} ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:59:06 -0700 From: Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......> Subject: Re: FK Taping Offer >Toni.....how cool of you. Hey, I'll take advantage of your altruistic >attitude. I'm missing several of the third season so, I would appreciate >your making a complete set for me. Shall I send you tapes or money? ===Hey, Dottie, it's only fair. I'm gonna watch them anyway. And you were the first to respond. You're the lucky gal. Since you can't get me a tape by Monday, how about you pay for the first tape ($3 plus postage sound fair?), and after that you send them to me. If I take out the commercials, I can fit 6 on a tape, unless you want them SP... BTW, I still haven't gotten _my_ tape. I'm anxious, I am. And I owe you postage. I haven't forgotten. Tootles! Toni ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:02:50 -0500 From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......> Subject: Re: SOS-FK (History) LONG Laurie CF wrote, John replied: >> (If anyone wants more specifics about the NATPE side of this, there >> were several long posts done at the time, and I or someone else >> (Diane E. or Dianne T. deSha or Toni Holm) can probably dig them up.) >I wouldn't mind seeing this if it's not a major problem for anyone... OK, I'm about to *prove* I'm still survival-impaired! <g> I just checked my mail folders, and I still have Dianne's original two NATPE reports, and my addition to it, written while we were all still recovering from the experience. If anyone who wasn't on-list back then wants it, they should *PRIVATE* e-mail me. Put NATPE REPORTS in your subject line and I'll bounce all 3 of 'em to you sometime this weekend. This is a limited time offer, so get back to me by noon Sunday (your local time, I'm not fussy) if you want in on it. That's 6/9, people. :) Oh, and check out the *ongoing* FK Wishing Crane Project. I've added the URL to my sig. :) We still need cranes for the one going to that nice man at SciFi.... My personal webpage has some NATPE pics, and a link to more of them, and a link to the PedAIDS handover pic, and... well, lots of stuff related to the effort, because I'm pretty proud of us, frankly. Diane E, using all my titles, just this once... The Unaffiliated, 1-n one Commander, NATPE Strike Force, Ret'd Former General Coordinator, FK Wishing Crane Project # D Echelbarger ~ gryphon@e....... ~ http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ # # FKWishingCraneProjectPage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/fkcranes.html # ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:11:56 -0400 From: "J.A. Stafford" <KnightGal@a.......> Subject: A Response from USA Today, I received a letter from Thomas Olson, VP of Advertising Sales at the Sci-Fi Channel. Here is an excerpt of what he had to say: "For the right or wrong of it, program lives are directly related to viewership levels. High rated programs live and low rated programs go away. 'Forever Knight' is an example of a program that has existed long beyond the lives of most low rated programs. It continues to find new homes because of a 'belief' in the program not only by loyal viewers like yourself, but also by programmers. If the program finds success on the Sci-Fi Channel it should be around for a long time. It is my understanding that there are nine as of yet unseen episodes that should start airing this fall." I'm not going to focus on the fact that neither USA nor my local station ever advertised "Forever Knight" and that this could only impact negatively on the show's "ratings". What I want to know is, What are these "nine as of yet unseen episodes that should start airing this fall"??? Are there really nine episodes we haven't seen, or is Mr. Olson not up to speed here? Julie ~Cousin~Wielder of the Rake~Sometime Valentine~Knightie~N&NPacker~Methos admirer ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:43:50 -0500 From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......> Subject: Re: McGregors & Bunnies On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Allison Percy wrote: > Join now! All you have to do is buy a copy of _Peter Rabbit_ and then put > some variation of "McGregor" or "Bunny" in your signature. I have no idea what all this is about but..... Ooh, ooh, ooh! I have a copy of Peter Rabbit in French (Pierre Lapin)! We could have flashback LaCroix reading it with subtitles! Can't you just hear him saying "Flopsaut, Trotsaut, Queue-de-Coton et Pierre?" I hereby claim the title of Flashback Bunny, also known as Lapin d'Autrefois. Now that I've joined, someone want to tell me what I've done? :) Sarah Lapin d'Autrefois welshkin@d....... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:23:17 -0700 From: LG Soward <lgs@i.......> Subject: Re: A Response from USA At 11:11 PM 6/6/96 -0400, J.A. Stafford wrote: >"by programmers. If the program finds success on the Sci-Fi Channel it should >be around for a long time. It is my understanding that there are nine as of >yet unseen episodes that should start airing this fall." >What I want to know is, What are these "nine as of yet unseen episodes I believe what the person was talking about was the episodes that aired in syndication NOT ON USA. USA pulled out BEFORE the end of the season, therefore, according to USA there are nine unseen episodes, by those people who only got FK on USA. For everyone who had syndication or satellite feed, there was the entire season of Forever Knight. LG. Soward lgs@i....... SOS-FK/Friends of Forever Knight P.O. Box 00000 Alexandria, VA 00000-0000 http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:32:06 +0500 From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......> Subject: Re: A Response from USA > From: "J.A. Stafford" <KnightGal@a.......> > Today, I received a letter from Thomas Olson, VP of Advertising Sales at the > Sci-Fi Channel. Here is an excerpt of what he had to say: > by programmers. If the program finds success on the Sci-Fi Channel it should > be around for a long time. It is my understanding that there are nine as of > yet unseen episodes that should start airing this fall." I assume he's talking about the episodes that did NOT air on USA but DID air on syndies.... Actually, since SFC has already shown the last few actual episodes of the series shouldn't this number be much lower??? Indeed, they'll be shown before Fall, as well...According to the schedule, they'll be showing GVP towards the end of the month. //---------------------------------------- // John T. Folden, a demented victorian // lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless // FOREVER KNIGHT... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:50:11 -0500 From: "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen! In the discussion of various ways to get the word out to the Un-Webbed, I have a *surprisingly* low-tech suggestion. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am a printed word addict. I read flyers stapled to phone polls and the signs on the bus. I am planning on putting together a single sheet flyer about our favorite obsession and putting it in likely places: University kiosks, bulletin boards in colleges, natural foods grocery stores, every new age and alternative goods shop, every used book store I can get to, video stores. Some of the alternative papers (weeklies, mostly) have a *very* low cost ad section -- snail mail, email and internet sites can be listed along with a short blurb for *pennies*. If you can convince them it's a "public service" gig, sometimes they'll do it for free. Flyers will go to every con I either attend or can get them to. This includes areas not usually involved in such things, like the Deep South (a fannish wasteland with a few *wonderful* oases). We don't have to have tonnes of cash. We don't have to have high tech. Hell, the Star Trek fans didn't even have *computers* for the first ten years! BTW, I am not lazy, I am *EFFICIENT*. Anyone who has already put together such a flyer, please email me -- I will take any input I can get on this (although I have designed some *nifty* flyers in my time). Thank you! Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:50:13 -0500 From: "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: It can happen Regarding K:tE's millions-o-hits, Jamie the Webgoddess pointed out to me: >Um, you do realize that it is a relatively easy thing to 'gimmick' a >counter, or simply to specify a ludicrously high number instead of 'zero' >as a starting value? Yeah, I knew they *could*, but I didn't think they would jerk the *fans* around with it. Obviously, nobody *up* the line was impressed!<G> Pardon my Capt. Reese imitation here, but why in hell would they bother when it doesn't get them airtime? >WE have had 44,000 hits on the SOSFK web page since December. And WE did >not cheat. :-) Yeah, I know. I hit the thing about three times a week, if not daily!! Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:50:14 -0500 From: "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: Okay ... SOS-FK Cynthia Hoffman pointed out: >Listen up now. This is really really important. > >> the Forever Knight logo? It might be a good idea to sell that through >> the P.O. Box. Make it real easy for people to get it. > >This is ILLEGAL! We do not own the FK logo, Sony/TriStar owns that logo. >They own all the logos associated with the show. Ronni Katz has licensed >a variation on the CERK logo, but otherwise, those logos are off limits. > >SOS-FK has been incredibly careful about making sure not to tread on >copyright toes ... let's not blow it now. I would like to point out that there *are* legit FK bumper stickers available. Scottie Merritt, a frequently seen dealer at Science Fiction conventions from Canada to the Deep South apparently has about a dozen different ones. I believe his company, Polaris, may even have a webpage. Can anyone expand on this? I think some of you folk who actually *got* to MediaWestCon (snarl, grumble) may have seen him and his wares there. I'm sure Scottie would not be adverse to a sudden flood of FK business...<EG> And while we're at it, let's flood Ron Katz with some CERK orders! Ron, as soon as I have a *job* again, *I'll* be contacting you! Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:50:16 -0500 From: "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: SOS-FK line in the sig >~~Allison ~~ percy91@w....... suggested (among *many* other Very >Good Things): >If nothing else, I suggest that we up the allowance on .sig length if and >only if the extra line is used to include the "Bring Back FK" web page. >Just a thought. I'd do this if allowed! I only dropped my SOS-FK reference because I absolutely couldn't get my sig to format any other way and, quite frankly, I *like* my quotes! PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, WITH THE WORLD'S BEST FROZEN CUSTARD WITH RIBENA ON TOP???!!! Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:57:05 -0700 From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......> Subject: Re: A Response from USA; SOS-FK Julie wrote: >What I want to know is, What are these "nine as of yet >unseen episodes that should start airing this fall"??? Are there >really nine episodes we haven't seen, or is Mr. Olson not up to speed This has probably already been answered since I'm on digest, but I believe the nine eps he refers to are the nine eps that were not originally part of the USA package when they pulled out after episode 13 (there were 22 total eps in season 3). So, no, I would say he is not up to speed. But his words are otherwise encouraging. Regarding SOS-FK: I think it's wonderful that so many newcomers are so enthusiastic about pushing the SOS campaign, relieving some of us *oldtimers* of some of the burden. I would just encourage everyone to be patient and to realize that probably nothing is going to happen for months at the very least, if not a year or two. It's important not to burn yourself out, or to get disappointed when nothing seems to be coming of your efforts. The best things that all of us can be doing right now are: (1) writing letters to Sony, TriStar, USA, SFC, our local syndies, FK sponsors; (2) creating more fans by showing episodes to our friends; and (3) passing around flyers locally, to advise the net-impaired fans among us of the ongoing efforts to revive FK. I don't think we're likely to have much luck with the national media at the moment, though there's no harm in trying - and if we keep it up long enough, they may just talk to us to avoid being nagged <g>. But, frankly, at the moment, there is no story. The show has been cancelled. If they wouldn't talk to us or publicize our efforts in the afterglow of the NATPE effort, I don't see them doing it now. However, if we keep the effort up for a year or so; if we keep growing the fandom despite the cancellation -- then there may be a story someone will be willing to cover. As always, just my two cents. Laurie =========================================================================
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