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Digest - 26 Apr 1996 to 27 Apr 1996

Sat, 27 Apr 1996

There are 24 messages totalling 741 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. LC"S Love for Fleur (long) (2)
  2. Best FK-related Songs
  3. Quick Vachon question...
  4. African Descent
  5. Various Topics
  6. Niqpickers (2)
  7. Proof in FK
  8. Why french fries and not tea
  9. call me partially culturally ignorant... >;) (3)
 10. Fries, tea, and equal opportunity
 11. LaCroix:  Threat or Menace?
 12. Looking for Info -Reply
 13. IRC Channel
 14. Lard
 15. YKYBWTMFKW
 16. IRC Channel /opps!
 17. Synopsis of next 3 episodes(no spoilers)
 18. A trivia question... (2)
 19. New Eps?

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Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:44:26 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: LC"S Love for Fleur (long)

I'm still nomail on this list but Amy forwarded me a copy of this
post and I wanted to respond to it.  First, I'm going to start by
saying that I didn't buy the romance between LC and Fleur in BMV.

>"We will be together for all eternity...my precious flower."

But yet in Partners of the Month when Janette leaves Nick, LC views
that as something that normally happens in vampire relationships.
That after a time, vampires in relationships tire of each other.
I can't see how LC would believe the above quote.

>"How do you think this makes *me* feel?  I can't control it.  I
>can't accept it.  And yet *it is*."

The second and third sentences in that quote are telling to me.  If
LC had indeed brought Fleur over, I think he would soon have come
to dislike the hold she would have over him (if he truly loved her,
that is).  LC always likes to be in control of his existence (and
usually those of his family as well).

>Fleur's attraction to LC seems obvious,

I've mentioned this idea before in reference to women that have been
interested in Nick.  It's not canon, but I've often wondered if
vampires have a certain innate "charm" that attracts people.  It
may not be a conscious thing on the vampire's part, but the effect
might act to "draw" a person to the vampire.  If LC was "taken"
with Fleur, perhaps that would have strengthened his "charm" for her
and drew her more to him.

>And she demonstrated an intellectual curiosity...which we have been
>forced to contrive for Nick

What about Queen of Harps?  Nick questions his lord about whether
their actions are appropriate.  He's also fairly accepting of the
Druids.  These aren't the actions of someone with just fighting
training and a minimum of education (to my mind, anyway).

>That said, let me cross genres for a second and borrow the EQ concept
>of Recognition (thanks, Sandra)

Boy, look where an innocent question leads to!  We were discussing
ElfQuest and I just said something on the order of, Do you think FK
vamps experience Recognition?  :)  Oh well, you're welcome, Amy,
although I think you're stretching a bit to apply it to LC and Fleur.
While we've seen evidence of telepathy between vampires, I don't
recall any instances of telepathic connections between vampires and
mortals on the show (but hey, I could be wrong! :) ).  Thanks for
mentioning my other theory about LC trying to recreate his mortal
life.

Anyway, I see LC and Fleur like Nick and Emily Weiss in Stranger
Than Fiction.  Nick and Emily came together because they each needed
something from the other: Emily needed someone she could open up
to and Nick needed someone who could understand *all* of him (the
vampire as well as the man).  Both were lonely.  Nick, however,
realized that what they had wasn't enough, that at least some of
it was no more than romantic fantasy.  Perhaps LC realized the same
thing about Fleur--that it was on some level a romantic fantasy that
would shatter if he brought her across.

But I also think that part of what attracted LC to Fleur was that
she was a female version of Nick--just as bold, curious, not afraid
to express herself emotionally--but without some of the bitterness
and world weariness that Nick had to have had from the crusading
life he'd led.  In other words, she was a clean slate that LC could
have molded.  Maybe when it came down to it, LC felt that he would
only come to treat her as another "possession".

For some reason, I'm also thinking about Spock in Amok Time: "You
may find that *having* is not so pleasant a thing, after all, as
*wanting*."  Because LC did not *have* Fleur, his *wanting* of her
has lingered over the centuries.  He has been able to build her
memory up in his mind because he did not have the opportunity to
find out what would have happened had he brought her over, he did
not have to see her leave him eventually as Janette left Nick.  The
master did not feel the urge to control; he did not risk finding out
one day that he no longer desired her.  The fantasy became *all*.

My view of LC is that he chooses not to allow anyone to get close to
him.  To open oneself is to give avenues to be hurt.  He's certainly
show how expert he can be at hurting Nick.  He doesn't want anyone
to be able to do the same to him *deliberately* (he may be hurt by
Nick at times, but I don't know if Nick realizes he's hurting him).
Much easier to mourn a "lost love".

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 01:26:19 -0230
From:    Paula Hurley <phurley@b.......>
Subject: Best FK-related Songs

Well, no offense to Fred, as we all know how great his music is, I
thought I would add some of my favorite songs for FK characters, to the
growing list, so here goes:

Place In This World - Michael W. Smith(Nick)
It Matters To Me - Faith Hill(Natalie)
Two Steps Behind - Def Leppard(LaCroix)
Queen Of The Night - Whitney Houston(Janette)
Goodbye My Friend - Linda Ronstadt(Schanke)
Forever Young - Rod Stewart(Vachon)
What You Don't Know - Jack Wagner(Tracey)

Now for the couples:

Love Bites - Def Leppard(Nick & Nat)
OR
Against All Odds - Phil Collins(Nick & Nat)
Friends & Lovers - Carl Anderson & Gloria Loring(Nick & Janette)
OR
Eternal Flame - The Bangles(Nick & Janette)
Along Comes A Woman - Chicago(Nat & LaCroix)
OR
The Healing Power Of Love - Dan Hill(Nat & LaCroix)
Opposites Attract - Paula Abdul(Tracey & Vachon)
You Give Love A Bad Name - Bon Jovi(Nick & LaCroix)
OR
When Love & Hate Collide - Def Leppard(Nick & LaCroix)

There I think that covers everybody, if I missed any just let me know.

Paula
phurley@b.......
Dark Knightie * Light Cousin * Valentine * Nick&NatPacker *
"It's ALWAYS about YOU!" - LaCroix(CRCH)
"Legends don't give zip codes!" - LaCroix(Baby, Baby)

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:10:08 -0500
From:    williams <williams@m.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Vachon question...

D Echelbarger wrote:
>
> It's for fanfic. <g>
>
> His eyes are *brown*, right?
>
> Diane E
They look brown to me! : )
--
Michelle,
The Consummate Cousin
williams@m.......
http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~williams/home.html

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Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:08:26 -0700
From:    Angie Lotto <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: African Descent

>2) Have we ever seen any Black vampires?  If not, is there any known
>reason why not?  I know we've seen at least one Asian vampire, and two
>Native American (South American) vampires: is that the full tally?

Amy, The only black vampires I have ever seen (other than Black-u-la) was
Eddie Murphy in "Vampire in Brooklyn" and The cop vampire in "Kindred : The
Embraced". I have seen all the FK episodes so far, and if there ever was a
black vampire on the show, I have forgotten.

Lasher

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:14:25 -0400
From:    Nathanial Cook <NatRobin@a.......>
Subject: Re: Various Topics

You asked:

>Um...so if JP promised...what's the deal with Janette in 'Human Factor?'

Don't forget, in that episode, Janette was "cured" of her vampirism.  So the
vampire/ human sex rule didn't apply.

And also:

>Not to mention that in 'Dark Knight,' before she brought in LaCroix, she and
Nick sure gave the impression of...um...touching at least a few bases (aw,
heck, looked like a homer to me). So does JP's rule only apply to male vamps,
or what?

That was (if it happened) vampire/vampire sex.  They were both already in the
club, so no initiation was needed.

Hope I got it all straight.

NAT!!!  (Just a Guy Ravenette with a Few Answers)
NatRobin@a.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:14:47 -0400
From:    Nathanial Cook <NatRobin@a.......>
Subject: Re: Niqpickers

Wow!!!  Another writer!!!

About those "lapses" -- I know what you mean: one of the most difficult
things about writing vampire fiction is having to make your characters wait
for sundown time and time again.  You must either A) Describe what they were
doing during the daylight hours, or B) Use one of those lame-o " . . . and
the day passed into night, and <fill in character name here> awoke, the
hunger for the sweet burn of human blood on <his/her> lips" passages.

As far as KINDRED goes, they've apparently decided to play fast and loose
with the "rules" of vampirism.  As one character on the show told it, they
can go out in the sun after they've fed.  Also, did you notice on that show
that vampires have reflections in mirrors?

Q: Does anyone have any views on what exactly Nick and others are doing when
they fly across the city?  I mean, are they flying in human form?  Or are
they supposed to be bats?  Anyone know?

Devouring minds want to know . . .

NAT!!!  (Raven Survivor)
NatRobin@a.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:17:48 -0400
From:    Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Re: Proof in FK

In a message dated 96-04-26 22:26:31 EDT, you write:

>Okay; I admit I haven't seen Unreality TV.  But what exactly is the physical
>trigger mechanism which would suddenly make a person "un-hypnotizable"?
>Hell, there are a lot of people who believe in vampires without ever having
>*seen* one -- and I include every last one of you, so *no* giggling <G> --
>so why does "empiric proof" suddenly flip a switch?

The way I remember them doing it was that Nick would whammy them, it
would start to take, but then the 'whammee' would wrest their eyes over to
their picture proof. I guess it could be like with 'normal' hypnotism, where
the hypnotist has a focus (watch, light, etc.), and if the person being hypno-
tized focuses on something else...it ain't happening.

>In this day and age, as well as perhaps being more vulnerable to being
>caught, vampires are also much more easily FAKED.  With just myself and a
>few friends, I can rig a haunted house that will have you believing you saw
>a person eviscerated before your very eyes.  I can cut their throats, tear
>off their arms, or even convince you that they have extra limbs, eyes, etc.
>It's not that difficult today, if you know the techniques.  What was big and
>impressive in the movies ten years ago is being done at science fiction cons
>today by people on shoestring budgets.

Yes, but like anything, if it's touted enough people start paying more attention
to it, start trying to prove or disprove it...think of the Loch Ness Monster or
Bigfoot, for example. But Nessie and Bigfoot are in a confined space...vamps
are everywhere. All the vamp community needs is a little paranoia to make
life difficult. I've noticed that vampires don't seem to react well to
difficulty.
Plus, think of the food supply problem...Bigfoot and Nessie aren't known
for living on human blood. We think of them as nifty possibilities, not a
threat to life.

>Basically, "empirical evidence" doesn't mean beans.  Conversely, does this
>mean there were no Enforcers before there were the means to reliably secure
>"empirical evidence"?

I think the enforcers also make sure that vamps don't get to comfy with mortals,
telling their vampiric secrets and whatnot...generally keeping 'vampires' myths
rather than genuine threats.

>I think in the case of the Enforcers, we *really* have to look to fanfic for
>parameters.  FK itself hasn't really given us anything to work with.
>
>Hence, have fun!

Heh...working on something right now.

Tigon the Bouncing Tigger
Knightie, N&N, FoSiL
"People are going crazy over this vampire thing." (Stonetree, 'Dark Knight')

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:17:51 -0400
From:    Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Re: Why french fries and not tea

In a message dated 96-04-26 22:32:20 EDT, you write:

>Perhaps it is not that the french fries are a solid food, but that
>the tea contains caffeine.  Could that also be the reason behind vampires
>not being able to drink coffee?

I'm pretty sure that was an herbal tea she gave him. I think Nick was being
meladramatic, as Nat pointed out. Perhaps since Nick was in mind over
matter mode with the french fries, it didn't bother him so much. Or perhaps
it really was the 'lotsa ketchup,' not just for the bloody look, but because
of the high sodium content. There's also the possibility that the fries were
cooked in lard...and we know how Nick *loves* cow products. :-)

>Vampires are long lived creatures with SLOW metabolisms.  Caffeine
>is a stimulant to the system.  Maybe it causes a painful reaction.
>On the subject of stimulants, nicotine is one as well.  Have we ever
>seen an FK vampire smoking?  Right now that detail eludes my memory...
>

It's funny, I've never thought of vampires as having slow metabolisms. Think
of all the flying (think hummingbird), superfast speed, and superfast healing
Nick does in an average ep.

As to smoking, Janette was often seen doing so, though she commented,
"Filthy habit, mmm? Well...at least I know it can't kill me."


Tigon the Bouncing Tigger
Knightie w/ N&N and FoSiL tendencies

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:17:55 -0400
From:    Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Re: LC"S Love for Fleur (long)

In a message dated 96-04-26 23:46:25 EDT, you write:

>But yet in Partners of the Month when Janette leaves Nick, LC views
>that as something that normally happens in vampire relationships.
>That after a time, vampires in relationships tire of each other.
>I can't see how LC would believe the above quote.

Well, that was different. *Other* vampires can leave each other...nobody
can leave LaCroix. It also could be that LaCroix was refering to random
vampire relationships as opposed to the Master vampires relationship
to his 'children.' I'm sure we have more that enough proof that even
when Nick and Janette want to move on, they end up hanging out with
LaCroix. Fleur would have been one of LaCroix's children, too.

>I've mentioned this idea before in reference to women that have been
>interested in Nick.  It's not canon, but I've often wondered if
>vampires have a certain innate "charm" that attracts people.  It
>may not be a conscious thing on the vampire's part, but the effect
>might act to "draw" a person to the vampire.  If LC was "taken"
>with Fleur, perhaps that would have strengthened his "charm" for her
>and drew her more to him.

Could it be that LaCroix was the first person to treat her as a woman
as opposed to a girl? Most of Nick's conversations with Fleur were
along the lines of 'look how much you've grown!' LaCroix talked to her
about what interested her, showed interest in her mind, and *definitely*
did not baby her.

>>And she demonstrated an intellectual curiosity...which we have been
>>forced to contrive for Nick
>
>What about Queen of Harps?  Nick questions his lord about whether
>their actions are appropriate.  He's also fairly accepting of the
>Druids.  These aren't the actions of someone with just fighting
>training and a minimum of education (to my mind, anyway).

I've always thought  that being framed for murders and sent of to funfun
time in the crusades probably stifled Nick a whole heck of a lot...look
what questioning things got him. Probably also really screwed with his
faith and left the perfect opening for LaCroix and Janette's seduction.


Tigon the Bouncing Tigger
Knightie w/ N&N and FoSiL tendencies
"What time is it? What day is it? What century is it?"

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Date:    Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:39:02 -0700
From:    Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: Re: Niqpickers

On Sat, 27 Apr 1996, Nathanial Cook wrote:

> Q: Does anyone have any views on what exactly Nick and others are doing when
> they fly across the city?  I mean, are they flying in human form?  Or are
> they supposed to be bats?  Anyone know?

They fly fly in human form.  We actually see Nick flying in the first
season.  And he certainly  looks humanoid.  Although Ger said in an
interview that he thought he looked like a gupy.  :)

Heather
penni@w.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 07:47:17 -0500
From:    Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject: call me partially culturally ignorant... >;)

i visited http://www.intex.net/~perridox/knight/knight.html
and i don't know what a "caddie" is. what are "caddies"?
anyone?

  :x  - o -
~mad hatter <cli7@s.......>
*       *       *
We dance around in a ring & suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle & knows. --robert frost
*       *       *

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:54:39 -0500
From:    "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: Fries, tea, and equal opportunity

Okay, okay.  Another two zuzim worth, bartender!

Caffeine:  vampires in FK seem to ingest other drugs without any problems.
They apparently have quite a fondness for alcohol.  Janette and others have
smoked without ill effects.  And it appears to be canon that drugs already
in the bloodstream do not affect them should they ingest *that*.  There
seems to be no more worries about feeding on drunks or junkies than about
feeding on those with disease -- it may or may not taste good, but it won't
hurt you.

Personally, I'm not crazy about that idea.  I'd rather they couldn't keep
anything solid down and had to watch who they attacked, but I'll have to
keep that in my own universe; TPTB have declared otherwise.

I don't think we can really talk about the vampiric "metabolism" in human
terms.  It is in some ways a *much* more efficient engine than our own.
Vampires have an amazing energy output for what they ingest -- one of the
things that has bothered me is the fact that Nick's powers are not visibly
reduced (very often) by his "perverted" diet.  He flies, moves, and
hypnotizes as well as any of them, and it doesn't seem to leave him more
drained than say, LC would be.  Ah, consistancy...

My own opinion on tea is that Nick should be able to drink it more easily
than he eats a fry.  It's a clear liquid, for heaven's sake -- nothing to
bollux up his system except the caffeine, and I really can't see caffeine
being a problem when cigarettes and alcohol (and other drugs) aren't.

Ketchup and sodium content?  Don't know, but fries have a goodly portion of
sodium all by themselves.

As for the lard, uh, I'm afraid that's pigs, not cows.  Sorry.  Of course,
we *have* intimated that pig tastes *better* than cow (they are *much*
closer to human, you know), so.... nah, still don't buy it.

On the topic of Equal Opportunity Vampirism:  we have seen Black (the female
cop), Asian (the Vietnamese), Hispanic (Vachon), Native American (the Inca)
in FK that I can recall.  Okay, maybe Vachon will resent Hispanic -- he is,
after all, pure Spanish, not some New World mongrel <EG> -- but the rest are
documented.

Anyway, that's it for now. The bartender says I've *had* my two zuzim worth...

Storm
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
FOREVER KNIGHT:SciFi Channel Mon, 7 & 11 pmCT  Let 'em know we're watching!
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:29:05 -0700
From:    Russell Kurtz <russtms@e.......>
Subject: Re: call me partially culturally ignorant... >;)

Mad Hatter wrote:
>
> i visited http://www.intex.net/~perridox/knight/knight.html
> and i don't know what a "caddie" is. what are "caddies"?
> anyone?
>
Well, not seeing it in context, I offer the following
definitions:
1.  Caddie (n), golf-related: underpaid person who carries
clubs and determines proper usage of same for rich golfer.
Caddie is usually the person genuinely responsible for
golfer's success.
2.  Caddie (n), diminutive: person who does not live up to
his/her moral obligations (diminutive of "cad").
3.  Caddie (n), Forever Knight: a type of car (diminutive of
"Caddilac").  The 1963 Caddie is known for two famous quotes
(paraphrased): "The fins are great.  Makes the car
more...predatory." (Vachon) and "The 1963 Cadillac has more
trunk space than any other car before or since." (Knight)
Those are the only definitions I can think of...
RUss

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 11:40:48 -0400
From:    Lisa Payne <LMPayne@a.......>
Subject: LaCroix:  Threat or Menace?

Okay, okay.  That's a totally gratuitous SpiderMan reference.....

I, too, started watching during the first season.  I was idly flipping
channels in the middle of the night, when  I suddenly saw Nick
fully-vamped-out in one of the flashback/hallucinations from "Dying For
Fame."  "Whoa!" I thought, "I didn't know there was a vampire movie on
tonight."  I had no idea "Forever Knight" had anything to do with vampires,
never having seen any ads for anything but "Silk Stalkings" of CBS's
Crimetime After Primetime lineup.  I've been watching ever since.  I don't
recall who said it, but I definitely agree that LaCroix is one mean SOB.  The
Fleur flashbacks made me a little more sympathetic to him, but the
present-day BMV storyline just took that right back again.  IMO, Nick was not
wrong to try to persuade LaCroix not to bring Fleur over. (Enough negatives
in that sentence?  Good.)  LaCroix may or may not have been wrong to allow
himself to be persuaded.  (Quick -- everybody go read "Persuasion" by Jane
Austen.  Or see the movie.)  I tend to think that LaCroix would have been an
abusive pseudo-husband.  And the whole "More Permanent Hell" flashback (not
just the terrorist tactics against the civilian population, but also the
blinding of the sculptor and the way Seline looks at him) goes to show that
being a vampire for 2000 years has probably just mellowed him.  Think about
it -- is anybody ever actually glad to see LaCroix?  Not even Janette.  Nick
goes to him when he needs help or when he feels it's his duty to go see him.
 Vampires come to the Raven because they can get blood there and because they
got into the habit of hanging around there back when Janette was in charge.
 Nobody ever used to spend their time at CERK back in the second season when
the Nightcrawler did his show from a different location.  (And to those who
say people don't just hang out at a radio station -- you've never
participated in "A Month of Sundays" at KUCI.)  So I also agree with whoever
it was who said LaCroix is very very lonely, and is so heavy-handed in his
dominion over Nick because he is so afraid of losing him.  I wonder how many
of his first millenium's fledglings walked out into the sun.  Janette was
such a survivor in "Fate Worse Than Death" -- did he pick her because he'd
been following her for a while and seen that she never despaired or
considered suicide no matter how awful her life became?  And if Nick had
survived imprisonment and torture during the Crusades (which somebody once
said J. Parriott had hinted at) and then gone back for more, wouldn't that
imply to LaCroix that here was another who was a good prospect for being a
"flameproof" fledgling?  Call me paranoid, but the kinder, gentler "LaCroix
Lite" that everybody was complaining about this season struck me all the time
as being the opening stages of some fiendish LaCroixian plot.  Maybe we'll
see in the last four episodes.

On another note:  I think Nick just got LaCroix in the left lung
(pocketapocketapocketa) at the end of Dark Knight.   I believe we've seen him
miss the heart in other episodes.

LMPayne@a.......
Last of the Scorpions

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:50:38 -0600
From:    Terry Madden <TMADDEN@b.......>
Subject: Re: Looking for Info -Reply

>>> J.S. Levin/Stormsinger <wabbit@e.......> 04/26/96 05:58pm
>>>
I have no trouble finding it at India-Indian, Middle Eastern, or Oriental
groceries -- especially the first two.  Even in Idaho, somebody's gotta be
cooking curry or shish-ka-bab, huh?

*****
Not necessarily.  Idaho is over 90% white.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:37:33 -0500
From:    Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: call me partially culturally ignorant... >;)

>i visited http://www.intex.net/~perridox/knight/knight.html
>and i don't know what a "caddie" is. what are "caddies"?
>anyone?

It's short for Cadillac, the make of Nick's car.

----  TJ

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:08:40 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: IRC Channel

Hi,

   I am in the process of registering a Forever Knight channel on the IRC.

I need a list of 10 supporters.

If you are interested in being part of a registered channel, that will
always be accessible to us, then please, send me an E-mail with your full
name and E-mail address.

Thanks!

Annmarie
FOREVER KNIGHT: Now showing on the SciFi Channel Mondays, 8pm, 12am EST
FOREVER KNIGHT SOS/FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
*Cousin*  *Vachon Ogler*  *MPPB*  *DMC member!*  *PWFC* *MFW Cavalry*

***The Mother of Invention *had* to have been a single mother!***

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:39:03 -0400
From:    Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Lard

Okay okay, it was late and I was tired and I wanted to make a
funny about Nick's propensity for cows.

Lard isn't a cow product. I'm sorry. Forgive my ignorance. I don't
eat the stuff, or anything like it, so I'm not up on what various an-
imal fats are called. Mea culpa. No more flames, private or public,
please.

Tigon the repentent Tigger
Knightie w/ N&N and FoSiL tendencies
"Somebody shoot me...please."

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:54:26 +0200
From:    Marina Bailey <tmar@o.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW

...when you name your new dog "Fleur" (Fleur de Brabant Bailey, actually),
and then get angry when people (typical South Africans) can't pronounce it
properly, or make jokes.

- Marina. (tmar@f.......; Dark Knightie)
\\ Advice to Nick: "She hates the shirt, get rid of //
// the shirt, burn the bloody shirt!" - Lenny Henry.\\

... Never install carpeting; it holds blood stains
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:32:18 -0500
From:    Lisa Clevenger <lcl366@a.......>
Subject: Re: IRC Channel /opps!

Sorry
  I just go a new system and well I got a llittle excited wit hte reply
button. SORRY!  Raelly!  Please don't hurt me!

I do a punishment!

Cousine/Valentine Suk
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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 16:24:27 -0230
From:    Paula Hurley <phurley@b.......>
Subject: Synopsis of next 3 episodes(no spoilers)

In case anybody would like a short synopsis of the next three episodes,
those being Jane Doe, Francesca, & Ashes to Ashes, Sony has finally updated
there page, and you can find the descriptions there. The url is, for those who
don't already have it memorized:

http://www.spe.sony.com/Pictures/tv/forever/forever.html

Paula
phurley@b.......
Dark Knightie * Light Cousin * Valentine * Nick&NatPacker *
"It's ALWAYS about YOU!" - LaCroix(CRCH)
"Legends don't give zip codes!" - LaCroix(Baby, Baby)

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:59:05 -0700
From:    Kathy L <kathryn@u.......>
Subject: A trivia question...

Hi All

Just saw 'Close Call' at our wonderful AZ FK gathering last night in Tucson
(great party, guys!) and had a question...

Does anyone know what was written on the autographed photos of the
Nightcrawler that both Janette and Nick had in their posession?  We
couldn't quite make it out.

Kathy
kathryn@u.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:04:28 -0700
From:    Swordsister <catheboo@c.......>
Subject: Re: A trivia question...

On Sat, 27 Apr 1996, Kathy L wrote:

> Does anyone know what was written on the autographed photos of the
> Nightcrawler that both Janette and Nick had in their posession?  We
> couldn't quite make it out.

Well, Nick's was definitely "Always Regretting" and his signature (now I
can't remember if he signed it Lucien Lacroix or the Nightcrawler, I
think it was the latter).  And there was some heavy debate over exactly
what it was on Janette's, I think it came down to some people who had
freeze frame and quick fingers (and good eyesight).  But I don't
remember if the controversy ever got resolved.

Catherine
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Catherine Boone                 catheboo@c.......
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with
 themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken

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Date:    Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:50:26 -0500
From:    We Two <gebbie@e.......>
Subject: New Eps?

 Is this the week that the new eps start airing? As per usual, I've lost
the information I had on them, such as air dates, titles, etc. <sigh>
Maybe one day my computer will cease being an information black hole.

Thanks!


-Deb Martin
 gebbie@e.......        http://www.eden.com/~gebbie/merch.html

Under construction: The George Sand web page!!
http://www.eden.com/~gebbie/gsand/sandhome.html

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