FORKNI-L
Digest - 12 Jan 1996
Fri, 12 Jan 1996
There are 11 messages totalling 560 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. New York Daily News Article
2. The Ambulatory Chicken Returns!
3. Vampire Grunge Club (no spoilers, just general) (2)
4. Many subjects
5. Syndicated stations contacted (PA)
6. loop 0 (fwd)
7. <No subject given>
8. finally getting off my elbow
9. Vows and other such things...
10. Of Vows and Phone Calls
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:29:18 U
From: Deborah Menikoff <Ken888888@a.......>
Subject: New York Daily News Article
OK, I called Richard Huff (the writer of said article) and asked if he would
be interested in getting information about what we, the fans, are doing to
make ourselves heard in regards to the shows status. He said "What do you
mean, status? It will still run on the syndicated stations." I explained
about the whole "will they won't they" thing for the last six episodes and
how even then the 4th season was a no go due to USA pulling out financially.
Anyway, to make a long post short, we had a looooonnnnng (about half and
hour) conversation about how fan support had pulled the show off before,
about our demographics, about the blood drive, the charity stuff (yes, I
faxed him the press releases) how we are going to be at NATPE demonstratig
that we are a viable market with disposable incomes - and that we are not the
crowd that USA was interested in attracting and not suprisingly did not find
-- blah blah blah....he seemed to think the whole thing would make a great
follow up story and he'd give me a call once he looked over what I sent him.
He also said said it was a shame about the show but perhaps it wasn't over
yet. Fingers crossed
Cousin Deborah
menikoff@p.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:30:10 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: The Ambulatory Chicken Returns!
Here's something a friend sent me, and I figured I'd pass it on. This isn't
an SOS post, but we need something to lighten the way...
> Why did the chicken cross the road?
>
> Aristotle: To actualize its potential.
> Roseanne Barr: Urrrrrp. What chicken?
> Roland Barthes: The chicken wanted to expose the myth of the road.
> Wolfgang von Beethoven: What? Speak up.
> Bill the Cat: Oop Ack. Ppthpt.
> Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken-nature.
> George Bush: To face a kinder, gentler thousand points of headlights.
> Caesar: To come, to see, to conquer.
> Candide: To cultivate its garden.
> Joseph Conrad: Mistah Chicken, he dead.
> Howard Cosell: It may very well have been one of the most astonishing
> events to grace the annals of history. An historic, unprecedented avian
> biped with the temerity to attempt such an herculean achievement formerly
> relegated to homo sapien pedestrians is truly a remarkable occurrence.
> Salvador Dali: The fish.
> Darwin: It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees.
> Thomas Dequincy: Because it ran out of opium.
> Rene Descartes: It had sufficient reason to believe it was dreaming anyway.
> Emily Dickinson: Because it could not stop for death.
> Bob Dylan: How many roads must one chicken cross?
> Ralph Waldo Emerson: It didn't cross the road; it transcended it.
> Epicurus: For fun.
> Paul Erdos: It was forced to do so by the chicken-hole principle.
> Basil Fawlty: Oh, don't mind that chicken. It's from Barcelona.
> Pierre de Fermat: I just don't have room here to give the full explanation.
> Gerald R. Ford: It probably fell from an airplane and couldn't stop its
> forward momentum.
> Michel Foucault: It did so because the dicourse of crossing the road left
> it no choice; the police state was oppressing it.
> Sigmund Freud: The chicken was obviously female and obviously interpreted
> the pole on which the crosswalk sign was mounted as a phallic symbol of
> which she was envious, selbstverstaendlich.
> Robert Frost: To cross the road less traveled by.
> Zsa Zsa Gabor: It probably crossed to get a better look at my legs, which,
> thank goodness, are good, dahling.
> Gilligan: The traffic started getting rough; the chicken had to cross.
> If not for the plumage of its peerless tail, the chicken would be lost.
> The chicken would be lost!
> Johann Friedrich von Goethe: The eternal hen-principle made it do it.
> Werner Heisenberg: We are not sure which side of the road the chicken was on,
> but it was moving very fast.
> Ernest Hemingway: To die. In the rain.
> David Hume: Out of custom and habit.
> Saddam Hussein: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite
> justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.
> Lee Iacocca: It found a better car, which was on the other side of the road.
> John Paul Jones: It has not yet begun to cross!
> James Joyce: Once upon a time, a nicens little chicken named baby tuckoo
> crossed the road and met a moocow coming down...
> Immanuel Kant: Because it was a duty.
> Jacques Lacan: Because of its desire for *object a*.
> H. P. Lovecraft: To escape the eldritch, cthonic, rugose, polypous,
> indescribably horrible abomination not from our space-time continuum.
> Paul de Man: The chicken did not really cross the road because one side and
> the other are not really opposites in the first place.
> Paul de Man (uncovered after his death): So no one would find out it wrote
> for a collaborationist Belgian newspaper during the early years of World
> War II.
> Groucho Marx: Chicken? What's all this talk about chicken? Why, I had an
> uncle who thought he was a chicken. My aunt almost divorced him, but we
> needed the eggs.
> Karl Marx: To escape the bourgeois middle-class struggle.
> Moses: Know ye that it is unclean to eat the chicken that has crossed
> the road, and that the chicken that crosseth the road doth so for
> its own preservation.
> Alfred E. Neumann: What? Me worry?
> Newton: Chickens at rest tend to stay at rest. Chickens in motion
> tend to cross the road.
> Jack Nicholson: 'Cause it (censored) wanted to. That's the (censored)
> reason.
> J. Danforth Quayle: Ite sawe ae potatoee.
> Ronald Reagan: Well, I forget.
> William Shakespeare: I don't know why, but methinks I could rattle off a
> hundred-line soliloquy without much ado.
> Sisyphus: Was it pushing a rock, too?
> Socrates: To pick up some hemlock at the corner druggist.
> The Sphinx: You tell me.
> Mr. T: If you saw me coming, you'd cross the road too!
> Margaret Thatcher: There was no alternative.
> Mark Twain: The news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
> George Washington: Actually, it crossed the Delaware with me back in
> 1776. But most history books don't reveal that I bunked with a
> birdie during the duration.
> Mae West: I invited it to come up and see me sometime.
> Walt Whitman: To cluck the song of itself.
Crusader Katya
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:44:29 -0500
From: Kristina Mairi Buhrman <kmb19@c.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Grunge Club (no spoilers, just general)
I missed the origional message, so I'm replying ta this one. <g>
On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Hoggle the Handsome wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Diane Shea wrote:
>> Am I the only one here who doesn't mind the idea of LaCroix running a grunge
>> club? I'm not really a grunge fan myself but it facinates me. The attitude
'Course I wouldna mind! I am, after all, a stereotypically stuck in grunge
mode dresser (still flannel, after all these years: If I had more money, I
might dress more up to date and less army surplus)
> i'm sure he'd manage to get all the most famous and best bands to play.
> Can you imagine Smashing Pumpkins wandering dazed on-stage, turning in
> stiff unison to LaCroix's nod to play "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" or
> something?
"The world is a vampire" <insert head bangin' here>
And of course, suiciding stars wouldn't faze him <eg>
> Grunge club is good. A greasy Live Nude Girls! is not, IMHO.
I don't think that the current Raven is much of a grunge club now, anyway;
at least not the college type. More of a heavy/goth rock than grunge IMHO.
But, then again, I'm the only one in my family who distinguishes Green Day
from punk or grunge. <shrug>
And of course, LaCroix wouldn't be having an alternative music club (They
Might Be Giants with their accordians and Phish in drag... <g>)
> Once it was beautiful and i used to stare with appreciative awe...
*sigh* once again, my fault for getting hooked this season...
Oh, and since I'm supposed ta be typing less, I ask this here:
Where's this from?
> How can you trust someone who bleeds for seven days and doesn't die? - BGW
Thanks muchly.
-Kristina kmb19@c.......
"Then before and now once more I'm bouncing 'round the room"
-Phish
(maybe I should cut back on the coffee? <g>)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:00:07 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Many subjects
Trying to be efficient (I am an economics student, after all), I'm again
resorting to multiple subjects in one post. :)
(a) No longer a phone weenie!
I managed to overcome a major case of phone-weenie-ness and call a local
television station. I want Dianne la Mercenaire to know that her piece of
Syndie-call-ware fanfic is responsible! I just couldn't stand the guilt
if I'd read it without calling. Now I've read it, and let me just say
the story is worth making that call!
The station I called, WPHL-TV 17 (a WB affiliate, for what it's worth),
does *not* currently show Forever Knight. They did show the second season
last year -- in fact, I seem to remember it being on at a nice time slot
for a while. Maybe 5pm or 6pm on Sundays? Anyway, this season in Philly
it moved to KYW-TV 3, a CBS affiliate, which shows it at 2am on Sunday
night/Monday morning. As a major network affiliate I guess they don't
have any open time slots earlier in the day. I'm forever grateful to ch.
3 for showing it, and I've sent them two letters at this point, but I
thought it would be a good idea to contact ch. 17 as well so that
hopefully *two* Philadelphia-area stations will be asking for Forever
Knight at NATPE. Let 'em duke it out for rights to the fourth season!
How's that for optimism!
(b) Why I love this list, Reason no. 143
I was still basking in the glow of a fun party last weekend and the thrill
of having first season episodes when I got something in the mail from a
list friend, Lynn Messing, who came to the party. She sent me three
audiocassettes of FK fanfic! Wow, now I can listen to fanfic while
driving! I thought it was cool to play a book by Anne Rice while driving
up to Toronto last month; the next time I go on a long drive I'll have
*fanfic*, too! If I can wait that long -- I'm tempted to listen to them
now.
Maybe I can lie on the living room floor and throw tarot cards into the
air while listening to the tapes. It would be a Nick thing to do.
(c) The Bike Tour, egads!
It's hard to imagine it right now (with Philly buried in piles of slushy
snow), but I did vow to do that bike tour. Since it's a fundraising
event, I don't feel I can back out! I'm arranging permission from PAF to
do a fundraiser for them; I'm sending away for bike maps of Ontario; and
I've sent a letter to Lisa Ryder to see if she'll let us be "Lisa Ryder's
Riders"! More details will follow.
Will the person who vowed to bungee jump off the CN tower let us know how
her plans are coming along? ;) Oh, wait, that was a 4th season vow.
(d) Immortal words from NB
I sat down and watched my tape of "Narrow Margin" the other day. For the
Nigel Bennett fans out there who missed it, herein is a transcript of
Nigel's part:
- I'm going to enjoy this.
- An honest man, I like that.
- I'm *really* going to enjoy this.
I hope they paid him huge sums of money for the amazing way in which he
turned a 2 1/2 line part (the third line is just a variation on the first
line) into something so memorable. He exudes an air of menace that is
quite compelling.
Another benefit of watching the movie -- you can see Gene Hackman get the
better of Nigel with nothing but a water pistol.
Sounds like an idea for fanfic.... Tracy gets the better of LaCroix with
nothing but a water pistol!
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* __o Pedal for Forever Knight & the Pediatric AIDS Foundation! *
* _`\<,_ Contact me at percy91@w....... to find out *
* (*)/ (*) how to pledge your support and/or join the ride! *
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:07:41 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Syndicated stations contacted (PA)
Ahem.
As requested, I'm informing you of the syndicated stations I've contacted.
These are Philadelphia, PA stations.
KYW-TV 3 (CBS affiliate; shows 3rd season of FK)
1 letter to Programming Department praising the show
Received a generic-style reply from Naomi Adams, Program Coordinator
1 letter to VP/Gen Mgr Jonathan Klein requesting that they ask for FK at
NATPE.
WPHL-TV 17 (WB affiliate; shows lots of syndicated stuff; showed FK
last year)
1 phone call to Programming Department. Logged a message asking them to
specifically request Forever Knight at NATPE. They sounded very willing
& were happy about my comments on the good time slot they gave FK last
year for a while.
Hope that helps!
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* __o Pedal for Forever Knight & the Pediatric AIDS Foundation! *
* _`\<,_ Contact me at percy91@w....... to find out *
* (*)/ (*) how to pledge your support and/or join the ride! *
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:12:00 -0800
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......>
Subject: Re: loop 0 (fwd)
Forwarded message:
> From Nalemo@a....... Fri Jan 12 09:01 PST 1996
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:01:27 -0500
> From: Nalemo@a.......
> Message-Id: <960112120104_60097763@e.......>
> To: maeve@d.......
> Subject: Re: loop 0
>
> >From the 1/11 issue of Hollywood Reporter:
>
> <<Terri Johnson has been named to the new position
> of manager, publicity, for Columbia TriStar Television Distribution. Johnson
> will supervise consumer press activities for first-run series including Ricki
> Lake, Tempestt, Forever Knight and Beakmans World and manage publicity for
> off-network shows such as Seinfeld and Mad About You.>>
>
> I don't know know how helpful of a source she would be to contact, but it's
> nice to see FK still referred to as a first-run series in need of consumer
> press activities!
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:13:40 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Grunge Club (no spoilers, just general)
I wrote:
>>I'm not a happy victim of LaCroix's seduction.
Dianne la Mercenaire writes:
>Hmmmm that's not what I remember from War V, dear... <vwg>
>Dianne
>"Strip poker anyone?"
Hey, we were drunk! ;) Besides, it wasn't a *complete* seduction
and it certainly didn't make me *happy*. And, if you recall, it
wasn't *my* choice to be locked in the cellar of the Raven with LC.
(Or his, either.) I was kidnapped with the aid of a certain Merc. :)
Nothing happened and I survived. :P :) I don't like LC. (And the
strip poker didn't play to a conclusion either. :P )
OBFK: Will USA only air two of the unaired new episodes (since the
last I heard was that they only partially funded the first 13, and
they've aired 11 episodes already)?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:28:55 -0800
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
>From kkr@g....... Fri Jan 12 12:39 PST 1996
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 05:25:00 UTC 0000
To: maeve@d.......
Subject: ... no subject ...
Sender: maeve
Well ....
Just to keep you up-to-date .... I've sent letters to Kay Kraplo --
oops, Koplovitz, Feltheimer, Sony/Japan, and Sony/America. I've sent a
telegram to Feltheimer. I've called my local channel, AND sent the manager
and the programming department a delivery of cookies with a "Thank you for
supporting FOREVER KNIGHT" card and a letter with basic info on the
situation with FK, statement on how many folks around here like it with the
story I posted you included, and an appeal to go to the Tri-Star
representative and "aggressively pursue" a fourth season! I also contacted a
couple of local SF clubs and am faxing copies of lists of addresses,
websites, logo, flyer, sponsor phone #s and addresses, advice on
proceedures, etc. that I've culled from your notices. They've said that
besides writing, etc., they'll get the word out through all their contacts
both personal and INET, and put flyers, notices, etc. on local bbs, SF,
comix, gaming, and bookstores.
I'll send Karen notification of my messages to WBRC-TV, channel 6 TV here in
Birmingham, Al ... <BTW>, they show it in a really good time slot, 10:30
Sunday night, with HIGHLANDER right after it. (Great block!) and promote it
quitewell -- including showing great promos. I tape it from there, because
unlike USA, they show ALL of each act, instead of cutting a fraction early
to get in more commercial time. If anyone would like to write and commend
them, the address is:
Joanna Bellinger
Programming Department
WBRC-TV, Channel 6
1720 Valley View Drive
Birmingham, AL 35217
They have a website, at WBRC-TV@t......., and are on AOL, keyword ABC,
click on the LOCAL icon, and then Birmingham - WBRC on the list of local
affiliates.
Wish I could do more, but I'm disabled with a limited income ... but at
least I've given the ball another good push! May it roll us to a fourth
season!!
k, aka roibinn@AOL, KKR@g.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:31:20 -0500
From: Inanna Arthen <Vyrdolak@a.......>
Subject: finally getting off my elbow
Hi, folks --
Well, I did it -- finally got off my, er, elbow (which has the inertial
mass of the planet Saturn) and wrote to Jon Feltheimer and Kay Kaplovitz. I
don't have a typewriter and don't hand-write *anything*, but I did print my
letters out on parchment calligraphy paper, in fonts. ;-} I emphasized the
show's "hidden viewership" and the fact that keeping on a show with a
growing, guaranteed audience was a good business proposition. Well, I had to
say *something*. I also made a point of signing myself "M.Div Candidate,
Harvard Divinity School" -- for the student loans I'm running up, might as
well try to impress them. So add those letters to the tally!
I also called the Boston Fox affiliate that runs FK, WFXT. I was sent to
a voice mail system by the receptionist, and when I tried the station again
later, got no answer at all. I suspect my call is superfluous, with the fan
club here in Boston; Diane E., you'll know the WFXT contingent, they'll be
the ones who hear the words "Forever Knight" and run screaming in all
directions! (*Chase them*, they've aired FK since the 2nd season!!) Anyway,
I left a message on the voice mail reminding them that TriStar won't offer FK
unless they ask and to *please ask*. Wish I could have been more personal
(and more articulate, I hate voice mail), but with the snowstorms, they may
not even be coming in to work. Anyway, you can add my voice mail message to
the tally of calls to local stations.
I noticed that even though USA didn't air FK on Monday night at 10:00
as listed in *TV Guide*, it DID air FK on Thursday night at 1:00am as listed!
Hmmm....
There was a mention of John Kapelos being in the movie "Roxanne" a few
days back, and I got out my copy and rewatched it. John actually has a
respectable supporting role in the film -- but he is NOT the character who
says the line about "I'd rather be with you folks than with the finest people
in the world"! He has some pretty funny lines, though.
Inanna des Cousines
vyrdolak@a.......
"Come in and see the new freeze-dried animals,
they're incredibly life-like." John Kapelos in "Roxanne"
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:34:37 -0500
From: vicki jean merriman <vmerrima@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vows and other such things...
On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Christine Hawkins wrote:
> On Saturday the 6th of January, Teresa Davidson wrote:
>
> > How interesting but strange I find the concept of causing oneself
> > pain or discomfort as a payment for something good received. Now please,
But sacrifice is a time honored human tradition. Its probably been
around for almost as long as the worlds oldest profession. It is human
nature to want as much control over what we may have little control
over. Sacrifice is how we deal with it.
As one poster's father said, "you are eating spam and doing horrid things
in the hopes that the TV gods will favor your TV show?" "Yeah" "Weird"
Weird it may be, but it is really hard to cut that last drop of
superstitution from the human psyche. Who knows for sure what will help?
Of course, calling syndicated stations may do more, but WHO KNOWS for SURE?
> All these people promising to become Perkulators if FK is renewed for
> another year: why don't you become FoDs (or Ravenettes) instead? [snip]
> it's just that there is no better way of suffering than being a follower
> of a deceased (or absent) character!
Now there's an idea. it would be a way to suffer. However, since most
of us don't care for the Tracy character, becoming a perkulator is a
painful sacrifice.
Like saying, I will not complain about Vachon's hair or his grunge do
nothing attitude. I will be grateful for his presence (and I must admit,
his presence is sexy enough not to be _too_ unhappy with).
> vows regarding food or chocolate: it is a well known fact that FoDs, like
> their fearless leader, have trouble staying on diets. :-)
No, I'm taking off 20 lbs for a 4th season. FoDom wouldn't be a good idea.
|----
Vicki Merriman - vmerrima@i.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:34:07 -0800
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......>
Subject: Re: Of Vows and Phone Calls
Elizabeth wrote:
> Dianne, so if I call KCBS now it will make an impression on them? "Wow,
> two phone calls in one night? People must really like this show!"
>
> OK, OK ::::gritting teeth:::: I will! And here I thought I was the only
> one who was chicken about calling people!
Heck no! I'm starting to think we're *all* closet phone-weenies! :-)
I've gotten several nice notes from people who took my little challenge
as the final push to just go and do it-- even though they were "scared"
"nervous" or even "terrified".
*They all survived!* <vbg>
Really, it's not hard, it doesn't take long, it expands your horizons <g>,
and it's for a good cause! Come on! You _can_ do it!
Dianne
The Mad Digester :-) -*- NATPE Carpool Coordinator
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......>
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