FORKNI-L
Digest - 4 Jul 2013 to 5 Jul 2013 (#2013-104)
Fri, 5 Jul 2013
There are 7 messages totaling 251 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Discussing "For I have Sinned"
2. What was lost shall be found (was the NATPE Seven)
3. Discussing "For I have Sinned" OT sister
4. "For I Have Sinned" & Nick's Catholic upbringing
5. looking for beta readers (and pre-betas)
6. Any NatPackers around? (2)
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:52:30 -0700
From: Walt Doherty <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Discussing "For I have Sinned"
>> Possibly. Remember, Nick was a Crusader and in the beginning, at least,
>> he actually believed in what he was doing. So he was *very very*Catholic
>> in his mortal life and some of that has had to have carried over
>> into his immortal existence.
> Laura
At the time (beginning of the 13th century), except for a
few heretical sects here and there, the only choice in
most of Europe was Roman Catholicism.
Walt
Walt Doherty
wdoherty5@c.......
Phoenix, AZ
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:27:15 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: What was lost shall be found (was the NATPE Seven)
Lest anyone else spend ages hunting through old hard drives....
Cheryl Hoffman has just sent me a lovely fat zip with pages and headers and
photos from the NATPE 7 section of Diane's old website. While I do still
have to look through it and sort it out, there's no question that most
(maybe all!) is in there. So I *shall* be able to put the NATPE 7 report
back together again.
When Steph and I get it up, I'll be sure to post about it so folks can go
and take a peek into the past.
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:16:38 -0400
From: Nickis Mom <Nickismom1228@a.......>
Subject: Re: Discussing "For I have Sinned" OT sister
I won't be able to watch the episode for this weeks discussion. My sister
passed away Monday and it's been a long week with family arriving and
arrangement for the Saturday service.
I'm so tired already, Linda was ill a long time and she is defiantly in a
better place.
Jeannie
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:16:01 -0500
From: Barbara Stone <stoneb@c.......>
Subject: "For I Have Sinned" & Nick's Catholic upbringing
Whether you're Catholic or Protestant, murder is a ticket to the hot
place. It's Nick's conviction that he must perform good works in order
to be saved rather than to simply have faith in God's ability to forgive
him that comes from his Catholic upbringing. It wouldn't have helped
any that he spent the Reformation in Catholic Spain. So, yes, it is
Nick's Catholic upbringing that makes him think he's damned. He must
save lives in order to save himself. How many? Who knows? And that
priest is standing in the way of his mission to save lives! Ironically,
Nick is half-way to salvation because he believes in God, and for many
people, that is the hard part. But Nick doesn't believe that God can
forgive him for the terrible sins that he has committed, and so he
believes himself to be damned and possibly beyond redemption.
What is the history of the sacred secrecy of the confessional? Does
that go back to 1228? Assuming that it does, it seems to me that his
and Stonetree's disagreement has less to do with religion than with
frustrated detective working a case v. police captain who must uphold
the rules by which the detection game is played.
As a member of the First Nations, Stonetree is perhaps more sensitive to
the necessity of accommodating and respecting the beliefs of different
groups in society. I don't mean to imply that Nick is deficient in this
area, but in this case, his first concern is the case and if he's
violating the belief structure of a minority, it is a minority to which
he belongs/belonged.
stoneb@c.......
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:29:34 -0700
From: Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: looking for beta readers (and pre-betas)
I am writing a Forever Knight / Highlander crossover and am seeking three or
more people who are willing to beta read chapters and/or to do what I
personally call pre-betaing, which is basically kicking around ideas with me
before they make it into text.
The first one (yeah I can already tell there's going to be more than one)
starts a day or two after Night in Question.
Aviva Blumenthal
Unrepentant Book Addict
"Not all who wander are lost". J.R.R. Tolkien
"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 16:05:30 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: Any NatPackers around?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:18:23, Amy Hull wrote:
> I have NO memory of the appearance of the site. [...] I
> DO know that most of the NatPackers whose names are
> there do NOT want their names out on the internet in fannish
> forums.
I've been thinking about this and I may have the solution. What if I put a
"robots.txt" page on the site? I'm assuming here, of course, that the
NatPackers' objection is not so much to other fans seeing their names.
Rather, they don't want their fannish activities to show up on a casual
google-search of their names (the sort of thing that a family member or
employer might do).
The way I'd write the "robots.txt" file, I'd let Google collect the index
page of the site, and other pages that are unexceptionable. That would mean
that people looking for FK fan sites--or specifically for "Natalie's Bed and
Breakfast"--would be able to google the site as a whole. After all, in
general terms, I can't see anyone but fans wanting to look at a NatPack
faction site.
However, the "robots.txt" file will tell Google's 'bots not to collect any
information about the pages that have people's names on (such as the
birthday list).
Would that work?
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:28:02 +0000
From: amilynh@c.......
Subject: Re: Any NatPackers around?
Dear Greer, Knowing what I do of the NatPackers-as-were, I'd really recommend
leaving off the birthday section (perhaps listing as "no longer available" if
you want the link to show), and removing ALL last names. I give you permission
to use my last name, but ALL the NatPackers I know have tried very hard to
scrub and reduce the appearance of anything but first names from internet
mentions of fannish activities, and many are fannishly closeted, even to their
families. I think some may not even be into fandom anymore. If you're
reclaiming the site and putting it back up, as a courtesy, I'd suggest
scrubbing all the last names out on an edit. (If you needed help doing that, I
would be glad to volunteer to do so in a file.) Does that help? Please feel
free to email me off-list if you think this would be better handled in that
capacity, or if you want further questions. I was there from November or
December-ish, a month or two after the formation of FORKNI-L, and was there
when the factions started, when the first war happened, at most of the early
cons (including the TO Trek where Nigel surprised Ger...)...so feel free to
pump me for history along with the other oldbies who are here. :-)
Amy Hull amilynh at g.......
----- Original Message -----
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:18:23, Amy Hull wrote:
> > I have NO memory of the appearance of the site. [...] I
> > DO know that most of the NatPackers whose names are
> > there do NOT want their names out on the internet in fannish
> > forums.
> I've been thinking about this and I may have the solution. What if I put a
> "robots.txt" page on the site? I'm assuming here, of course, that the
> NatPackers' objection is not so much to other fans seeing their names.
> Rather, they don't want their fannish activities to show up on a casual
> google-search of their names (the sort of thing that a family member or
> employer might do).
> The way I'd write the "robots.txt" file, I'd let Google collect the index
> page of the site, and other pages that are unexceptionable. That would mean
> that people looking for FK fan sites--or specifically for "Natalie's Bed and
> Breakfast"--would be able to google the site as a whole. After all, in
> general terms, I can't see anyone but fans wanting to look at a NatPack
> faction site.
> However, the "robots.txt" file will tell Google's 'bots not to collect any
> information about the pages that have people's names on (such as the birthday list).
> Would that work?
> Greer
> gwatson2@r.......
> http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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