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FORKNI-L Digest - 2 Sep 2004 (#2004-243)

Thu, 2 Sep 2004

There are 13 messages totalling 488 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. LC and Divia vs. LC and Nick or Janette
  2. Vampiric relationships (2)
  3. Looking for stories for Donnie's coffee corner
  4. tasting blood
  5. Reply
  6. <No subject given>
  7. relationships (5)
  8. FK ALUMNI- VCR Alert for September 2004

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:39:13 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: LC and Divia vs. LC and Nick or Janette

I always thought that LaCroix was so repulsed by Divia's coming onto him that
he struck out and killed her because he was her mortal father.  Lucius was
decidedly not a saint  as a mortal <g>, but apparently he had the normal incest
taboo hardwired into his consciousness.  Nick and Janette, OTOH, are biologically
unrelated to him so there is no psychological reason in the FK universe why LC
should an incest taboo about them.

Just my own view, of course.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:51 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Vampiric relationships

At 10:40 PM 9/1/2004, Libs wrote:

>My theory on this is that true intimacy is the bloodsharing, and that a
>physical act is a pale imitation. In this situation, the sex of the
>partners is not important---blood knows no gender.

In this, *ahem*, vein, I'll mention psychic experiences. I'm sure a number
of people on this list have known "psychic contact" with one or more other
people. When two or more people are extremely "open" psychically with each
other, and interact on a psychic level, the experience is extremely intense
and sexual -- despite the fact that the people interacting can literally be
continents away! I've only rarely experienced anything even *remotely* like
it in a physical sexual relationship; the tensions and releases are
completely different.

>However, given Nick's relationship with LC (essentially a power struggle
>between two unequal parties) I think he'd be very reluctant
>to give to his master his essense, to open himself up on that intimate,
>psychic level that a sharing of blood involves, however
>pleasurable it is at the time.

I think most of us have experienced that sort of feeling at least once in
our lives...

>I think LC would use his considerable control, coercion, and plain ol'
>mindgames to force Nick into positions where he was powerless to refuse.

Sounds to me more like -- and we've certainly seen evidence of this on-air
-- LC gets his jollies "mind-f***ing" Nick. Now, what part of *that*
relationship is, er, related to the sharing of blood (and other bodily
fluids)... is up for individual interpretation.

>It's all mind games with those two, you know. :-)

Exactly.

>I have a hard time buying the lovely-dovey scenario, but the coercion one?
>Oh, yes.

I'm ambivalent on whether or not the two have had a physical sexual
relationship, but like many things in FK, in that ambivalence lies the
strength and the charm.



Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/
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Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:14:40 -0700
From:    Dianne Bugg <lady_lacroix@y......>
Subject: Re: Looking for stories for Donnie's coffee corner

Any site that has a Schanke theme should have the
story "Trust" by Dorothy Elggren.  The link is
http://www.loftworks.com/wftk/trust.txt
but I would think you'd need her permission to link to
it.


Dianne


--- CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> wrote:

> I posted a request for stories that have Don Schanke
> as the main protagonist
> or as a major part of it. I've gotten one or two,
> but I really need more for
> my Donnie site.
>

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:17:04 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Vampiric relationships

> Animal blood is chemically different from human blood...Would Nick be able to
> 'see' or 'read'
> anything in cow's blood, or would it be too
> different for that?
Hmmm. Maybe the reason that Janette and LaCroix find cows' blood to be
distasteful is because it lacks the tasty emotions, memories, etc. of human
blood. But a maybe a carouche could access that aspect of animal blood (because
of their nature--but perhaps only one species; rats for Screed, dogs for Jody
Fraser) and human blood too (because they're human themselves).

Your humble servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:57:37 -0500
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: tasting blood

> Animal blood is chemically different from human blood...
> Would Nick be able to 'see' or 'read'
> anything in cow's blood, or would it be too different for that?

By that logic

Since Screed drinks all that rat blood

does he see life from a rat's point of view?
Does he have a craving for cheese?
And an intence fear/hatered of cats?

And
would Perry's owner take on some dog charistics

Does she (I suddenally can't think of her name) chace cats
and have to spin around 3 times before sitting down
(as dogs do)

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:10:35 -0700
From:    Dianne Bugg <lady_lacroix@y......>
Subject: Re: Reply

I have to add my comments to Libs'.  There are a
number of people on this list, including myself, who
will take exception to the idea that being gay is
'gross'.  So, I sincerely hope that your comments were
strictly aimed toward the relationship between the
characters.

As for the father/son relationship, you might remember
that the title of 'father' is an honorary one and the
relationship would not be incestual in any way.  Same
for 'brothers'.  And friends can sometimes make the
best partners.  I'm not advocating that it HAS to be a
relationship with gay overtones, but I think given all
that we have been told and shown about vampires in
general, it would not be surprising that it would at
one time or another taken an intimate turn.

Dianne


> Cheryl wrote:

> **GROSS.  There father and son, friends, brothers.
> Don't even go there.
> STOP.**


--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:

> Because it would be a same sex relationship?
> Are you saying that is gross? If so, then I guess a
> number of people on this list are gross, so I hope
> that isn't what you mean.


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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:29:50 -0700
From:    Janice Cox <jlc_fresno@y......>
Subject: <No subject given>

I've been trying to compose my thoughts on this fun
subject, and then Nancy K went and read my mind,
saving me the trouble. ;-)

<<Nancy Kaminski wrote: I think it's a mistake to see
vampire/vampire relationships as sexual in the human
sense. What is important is the sharing of blood; any
human-style sexual activity would be icing on the
cake, so to speak.>>

From what I've seen, it's all about the blood. What
this would mean for a vamp/mortal "love bite" I'm not
sure...assuming that the mortal in question didn't get
drained dry, turning a one night stand into a one last
stand, that is. :-p  In the FK world, does the mortal
get blissed out during the bite, or is that just shock
or mental domination? In other words, could Nick and
Nat (or Tracy and Vachon, heh) both get pleasure from
the vampire version of sex?

And has it been revealed (so to speak) whether or not
male vamps can even *have* sex in the mortal fashion?
We know that females can (Janette and the whole
strange "boink them to become like them" cure), but
that can be a more passive thing, after all. I always
thought that Nick implied that they could, but LC
seemed rather disdainful of the whole thing, IMHO.

Janice
"Give me smut, and nothing but!"

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:43:10 +0200
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: relationships

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
> Janice Cox wrote:

 In the FK world, does the mortal
> get blissed out during the bite, or is that just shock
> or mental domination?

Look at Amelia's face in Crazy Love. She seems to be totally enraptured
at Nick's bite. Same goes for Alyssa in the wedding night scene. So it
seems to me that the bite itself is pleasurable (maybe there is some initial
shock).
Usually in psychology a vampire bite is equalled with the *other* act (to
keep it PG, lol).


> And has it been revealed (so to speak) whether or not
> male vamps can even *have* sex in the mortal fashion?

How would one explain Serena's assumption that Nick has impregnated her if
they didn't actually 'do' it?
The flashes he has on the CN Tower do suggest that they at least got to
regions below the neck.

just my 2 cents,

Doris
UF, Cousin, FoD
"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table." - Uncle
http://www.come-undone.net (FK Fan Fiction)
http://www.uncle-unlimited.org (A Lucien Lacroix Fanweb)
http://www.dcc.come-undone.net (Donnie's Coffee Corner)

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:32:34 +0000
From:    Lyn Palmer <wizkid2u@c.......>
Subject: Re: relationships

> Look at Amelia's face in Crazy Love. She seems to be totally enraptured
> at Nick's bite. Same goes for Alyssa in the wedding night scene. So it
> seems to me that the bite itself is pleasurable (maybe there is some initial
> shock).

Yep, but that doesn't account for the look on Nat's face during Last Knight.
She doesn't look like she's having any fun at all; in fact, it looks like it
hurts like CRAZY!

LYN

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:43:27 +0200
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: relationships

From:
> Lyn Palmer:


> Yep, but that doesn't account for the look on Nat's face during
> Last Knight.  She doesn't look like she's having any fun at all;
> in fact, it looks like it hurts like CRAZY!

I always thought it was less physical, more emotional pain. She asks him to
MAKE LOVE to her and he goes straight for her neck. Then she sees the scenes
from his past PLUS the realization that he is actually killing her. OR, to
blame it on TPTB (I've never seen the LK script, so I don't know if there is
anything in it regarding Nat's expression): another continuity blunder. BTW,
Alexandra didn't look that pleased, neither does Liselle.

Doris

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:57:16 -0700
From:    Cheryl Hoffman <dayabaygal@y......>
Subject: FK ALUMNI- VCR Alert for September 2004

Wow... September...  I know it's an old line... but where did the
summer go?  Here's what to keep busy with this month.
I've been busy duping my tapes... boxes of them... to DVD's... ah,
isn't technology great...Actually watched a few along the way, it's
been fun.  I figure I'll gain most of a closet when I get rid of the tapes
when I finish.

As always, please check your local listings for exact dates & times,
I have been known to make typos (and so have the sources I've pulled
from)


NIGEL BENNETT (LaCroix)
The Crossing                    History - Bio   26
Darkman III:Die Darkman Die     SciFi           11
Degree of Guilt                 LifetimeM       26
Half a Dozen Babies             Family          26
Lies He Told                    LifetimeM       18,19
Madonna:Innocence Lost          WE              27,28
Martha Inc                      LifetimeM       12,13
One Tough Cop                   USA             29
Phase IV                        USA             14
The Shamrock Conspiracy         Mystery         9,14,15,18,19,24
Too Young to be a Dad           Lifetime        27,28
Vanished Without a Trace        LifetimeM       21,22
Secret Adv. of Jules Verne:
    Black Glove of Malchizadek  SciFi           15
*********************
IN CANADA:
Forever Knight                  Space           3,8,15,22,29
LEXX                            Space           3,4,17
PsiFactor                       Space           8l.9,17,20

JOHN KAPELOS (Schanke)
Auto Focus                      MMax            4,7,22,27
The Boost                       TMC             10,20,
Class                           TMC             27,30
The Craft                       TBS             4,22
Nothing in Common               HBO-Fam         2,7,19,22,27
The Relic                       MMax            7,12,16,20,29
Roxanne                         HBO-S           5,10,13,25,29
Sports Pages: Heidi Bowl        Show3           12,22,27

GARY FARMER (Capt Stonetree)
Adaptation                      MAX             11
Police Academy                  Max             10,18,28
Route 666                       SciFi           9

BEN BASS (Javier Vachon)
A Killer Among Friends          Court           25

LISA RYDER (Tracy)
Jason X                         Encore          4,9,20,29



Cheryl Hoffman, NA (& I ain't changin' it), Cousin, NBN, G4, Bridging
"My, my... we are in a mood tonight.." -LaCroix
dayabaygal@y......       Richland, WA
AIM/Yahoo:  DayaBayGal          ICQ:  30464256

Cheryl Hoffman, NA (& I ain't changin' it), Cousin, Val,
NBN, G4, Bridging, Indecency,
"My, my.. we are in a mood tonight.." -LaCroix
dayabaygal@y......       Richland, WA
AIM/Yahoo:  DayaBayGal          ICQ:  30464256

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:27 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Re: relationships

--- Lyn Palmer <wizkid2u@c.......> wrote:
> She doesn't look like she's having any fun at all; in
> fact, it looks like it hurts like CRAZY!
>

Well, he is a bit out of practice, right? <g>

Cue the cheese!

-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com

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Date:    Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:23:30 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@e.......>
Subject: Re: relationships

Yes, the bite is almost always pleasure for both the victim and the vampire
unless the victim is in shock or it's a violent bite. "Crazy Love" is a
perfect example for both Janette and Amalia (she begs for repeats even).
Alyssa, Erica, Francesca, Liselle (she's in shock at first, but in the 2nd
view she seems to be gasping in pleasure), girl in "The Fix," red girl in
GVP, Sophie, and on and on...LOL! None of the women Nick has bitten have
actually screamed in pain either (except the whore in Let No Man Tear
Asunder, but this was a violent bite). The experience is very powerful as
Nick states in "Francesca" - every drop of blood as your whole life in it
and you basically share lives with the person. The bite is like a vampire's
climax during love making. The kissing, etc simply lead up to that.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......] On Behalf Of
Lyn Palmer
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:33 PM
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Subject: Re: relationships

> Look at Amelia's face in Crazy Love. She seems to be totally enraptured
> at Nick's bite. Same goes for Alyssa in the wedding night scene. So it
> seems to me that the bite itself is pleasurable (maybe there is some initial
> shock).

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