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Logfile LOG9606D Part 19

June 26, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606D" Part 19

	WAR: Knighties  HELP!
	Fwd: Uncle stuff on CompuServe--June 26, 9 PM EDT
	Nick, Nat and Janette; brief LK SPOILERS
	Who's babysitting?  (2)
	GWD on Outer Limits
	A message for Gerthering-goers
	Blackwing: Did they?
	LaCroix not pre-Christian/Garlic??????
	FI, HF SPOILER: Sipping
	Blackwing. Was "The Fix and other stuff"
	Nick and Nat; romanticism
	176 responses/shooting for 200 by midnight!
	Raven Lyrics

Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:00:04 -0500
From:         Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject:      Re: HELP!

This story is based on characters created by J. Parriott and B. Cohen
for the TV series Forever Knight.

Breaking Dawn (Part 7)
by Carrie Krumtum

        The air of the waterfront was heavy. Fog hung low and thick. He
didn't move from his spot by the pier. Let the fog roll over him. It was
mete for his mood. Thick and heavy. He had tried to run from these
emotions that frightened him. It was like some tragic scene in an epic
poem he had read long ago. He could not flee from the face of his grief.
As much as he chided Nicholas for his insistence of suffering his guilt,
for his refusal to release it, to be free from it, he now understood why
he might suffer it. There were just some things that had to be suffered.
It was the only way to make the universe they resided in make sense. He
had loved his son and now that son was gone. He had to suffer the grief,
he could do nothing else.
        It had only been recently that he began to look at Nicholas'
worldview with an absence of contempt. Why had it taken him so long to
be that objective? He had witnessed so many changes in the world, in the
cultures of peoples dead and gone, or mutations of societies that no
longer held any resemblance to their former qualities. He had survived
life. If anyone should be able to look dispassionately at another's view
and try to comprehend it, he should. But with his son, he had been
singularly unable, until recently.
        Nicholas had believed that there was redemption for him. That
there HAD to be redemption for him. He could not face life, his dark
existence, without that belief. He carried his guilt as one who pays
penance would, with steadfast devotion to the task. He felt guilty for
being who and what he was. A being he loathed at his very core. A being
he could not escape. For Nicholas, there was no other way to move
through life, not now. Really, not since that first night. Nicholas had
begged him to take it back, to give him back his humanity. It was then,
that demand that had steeled his resolve to force his son's acceptance
of his new nature, this gift of eternity that he had given him. He had
been angered at Nicholas' refusal of the beauty of the gift. It took him
centuries to even begin to understand that this life, this eternity, was
nothing but agony for his son, his creation. His was a soul that could
not suffer the darkness without the pain of guilt and regret. His was a
soul that would never be able to relinquish the need for the light of
the sun and freedom of the spirit. The enmity that was created by the
divergence of their respective views had led to a battle of wills that
spanned the globe and long centuries now past.
        A great tragic epic, indeed. He did not share his son's
feelings, but he no longer loathed his views. Of a certainty, he had
begun to try to understand them. He wanted to understand this man, this
child of his, this son. He feared the loneliness that now engulfed him.
He had feared it for millennia. It was the fear that had motivated him
to try and persuade his son from his worldview. Persuasion as only a
military mind, cultivated in that most depraved culture of Roman origins
could. Nothing had worked. Nothing. Nicholas would not give up his
search for his lost humanity. He could not. Finally, now at the end of
it all, he found a small measure of understanding. Nicholas simply could
not. Any more than he could escape the fear and grief that gripped him
        He had tried to escape it. He HAD tried. He had actually left
the city. The feelings of loneliness and cold, the fear, had called him
back. Back to this place. He stood staring out over the water and into
an impenetrable fog feeling nothing so much as the pain and anguish of
his solitude. He was afraid. General, soldier, ancient, vampire. He
stood and embraced his fear. He stood and embraced his loneliness. He
stood and mourned his son. He stood.

        She pulled up into the driveway of Melinda Harris' house. The
house was large, the architecture colonial. The estate spoke of wealth,
a wealth beyond the means of a temporary secretary. Ms. Harris had done
well for herself. She had chosen her relationships well, Tracy thought.
Stepping out of her car, she walked to the door and rang the doorbell.
        It took several seconds for her to hear movement on the other
side of the door. The door swung open and revealed a young and beautiful
woman dressed in sweats and T-shirt in bare feet. "Yes?"
        "Melinda Harris?" Tracy asked, producing her badge from her
purse. She received a nod from the young woman. "I'm Detective Vetter,
Metro Police. I would like to speak with you, if I might."
        Melinda looked at her with slight confusion and apprehension.
"Me? What do you want to talk to me for?"
        "I'm sorry, Ms. Harris. I'm investigating some deaths at the
building that Mr. Lowe's offices are in. It's just routine." Tracy lied.
        Nodding and pulling the door completely open, Melinda stepped
back. "Please, come in."
        Tracy stepped into the house and waited as the front door closed
behind her.

        "Please, you have to let me do something. I'm going crazy here.
I heard that they found another one. Let me do the post mortem. No one
knows this case as well as I do. I did the other three." Natalie paced
the corner of his office.
        Reese looked at her with a fatherly sympathy. "I told you, this
is not in my hands. You're too close to this one. Let someone else
handle it. Natalie, you have to let this one go for now. Dr. Baldridge
is perfectly capable."
        "I didn't say he wasn't." Her retort was sharper than she had
intended it to be. Softening her tone she continued, "I just feel so
        He understood exactly how she felt. "I know, and, believe it or
not, I DO understand, but this is one case that you have to let the
other guy handle. Nick is still out there, he's probably in trouble, and
we need everyone on this to be thinking clearly if we are going to help
him. You know that. I want him back safe and sound, too. We all do."
        She stopped pacing and sat down in one of the chairs that
opposed the desk. She felt like screaming. She wasn't a rookie. This
case was close to her, she knew that. There wasn't a being in all of
God's universe as close to her as Nick was. She just HAD to do
something. Waiting was agony, pure agony. With the loss of Cynthia, she
had the search center to coordinate. The activity kept her busy. It
hadn't eased the pain of her loss, but it had made the hours before
finding her pass without the agony she was experiencing now. It wasn't
as if she could just write Nick off. He hadn't left town, left his life,
left her. He was really missing, in trouble, hurt or worse. This must be
what it's like for wives of mortal officers, she thought.
        Joe Reese watched the emotions that played across her face. He
may not understand exactly what was going on between Nick and Natalie,
but he understood the look on her face. He had seen it too many times.
She loved him, and he was missing. She was in need of some tender love
and care. He picked up the phone and dialed his home number.
        "Hello?" Denise Reese said.
        "Hi, it's me. I need you for a special assignment."
        A special assignment. Denise Reese had been a cop's wife for
twenty-three years. Her husband, now a captain on the force, had used
that phrase for almost that long. There was another wife or loved one
who was dealing with the injury or death of one of Joe's men. She knew
that Detective Knight was missing and that Officer Miller had been
killed. She guessed that it was one of their relatives. "I'll be right
        "Thanks." He hung up and looked back to Natalie. The best
therapy he could offer her was on the way. He sat feeling his own
helplessness. Dr. Lambert wasn't the only one who felt that they should
be able to do something to help Nick. Tracy was working hard on the
case. Forensics was going over what scant evidence they had with a fine
toothed comb. Dr. Baldridge was finishing the autopsy on the fourth
victim right now. Everything that he could have people do was being
done. It still wasn't happening fast enough for his liking. Nick had
been missing for 50 hours. The longer he stayed missing, the slimmer the
chance that he was alive. Like Natalie, he was fighting his own
emotions. Only, hers were the emotions of losing the center of your
universe. He didn't want that to happen to her. He was doing everything
he could to make sure it didn't happen to her. Somehow, looking into her
face, he felt that it just wasn't enough.

All comments and virtual chocolate to

Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
I finally had some sense knocked into me
and I have the bump to prove it!
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 06:41:11 -0400
From:         Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@j.......>
Subject:      WAR: Knighties  HELP!

Hi guys I've been having trouble with Eudora and disk failures.  I managed
to lose my address book along with most of my mail when Eudora died.  Could
someone send me Perri Smith's eddress(or whoever is in charge od the
Knightie faction)

Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:00:23 -0700
From:         Eliot Deutsch <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject:      Fwd: Uncle stuff on CompuServe--June 26, 9 PM EDT

This is off the newgroup and since I hadn't seen any mention of it on
this list, I thought I would just throw it in!


Author P.N. Elrod, who co-authored the vampire story "Keeper of the
King" with Nigel Bennet, will be on CompuServe tomorrow.  Her
conference starts at 9:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time on the CompuServe
Literary Forum, in its "Dark Room."  Those of us on CS can partake of
the conference, and are invited to get our questions ready.  Further
information can be found on CompuServe in the SFMedTwo forum, where
they have a Forever Knight library.

"Keeper of the King" is due for release in January, coinciding with the
release of the first Forever Knight novel by Susan Sizemore (sp?).


Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:05:59 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Garlic

Gehirn wrote:

>reaction, hence the GARLIC phenomenon.  It's a bloody bulb guys,
>but vampires in FK are repelled by it.  Gajillions of people worldwide
>believe garlic is a gift from devine provence or mother earth and
>contains amazing healing powers.  If those beliefs empower the

Actually, I thought of something the other day as I was working on some
fkfic.  Perhaps it's *because* of the healing powers.  Garlic has high
levels of a substance called allicin (spelling?) that acts in the human body
like an antibiotic.  I used to work in a vitamin store chain and garlic was
a BIG seller.  Anyway, maybe vampires are allergic to antibitics or maybe
the antibiotics work negatively against vampire cells (virus or whatever, I

Maybe vampires would be offended by syringes of penicillin, but no one's
thought to test it out. ;)

****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY!  Want FK stuff?  Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:08:26 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick, Nat and Janette; brief LK SPOILERS

Joy wrote:


>I find my dissatisfaction in Lk to stem from my regard for her.  She has too
>much going for her to act as she did.  Don't like that ep from a Natpacker

A lot of my dissatisfaction comes from that viewpoint as well.  I'm not
quite a Natpacker but I've always liked Nat a lot and never thought of her
as a nag or bitch.  Frustrated, yes.  Bitchy, no.  I felt SO BAD for her in
LK!  She totally got the short end of the stick.  She desserved more than to
wind up drained on the floor in the Apartment Building of the Damned, IMO.

****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY!  Want FK stuff?  Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:18:08 EDT
From:         Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject:      Who's babysitting?

Jamie asked me, once Allison was out of town, to keep an eye on the
list. I don't have the ability to help with listserv problems, but
I can take names and call the police (Jaye and Laurie Salopek <g> if

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:55:33 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      GWD on Outer Limits

Having perused Ger's Outer Limits several times, it is obvious that his his
supposed "stoutness" is only the product of a rather stuck out shirt and big

I knew this had to be true since this had been done before we saw him in
April and he was definitely not stout then....nor by the end of season. No,
he is not the same as he was in the first season of FK, but I'm not
complaining....not at all....

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:31:05 -0700
From:         Dvixen Vidi Vici <dvixen@w.......>
Subject:      YKYB...

When you are walking home from work, and you see *the* caddy.
And think to yourself.  "What the hell is it doing here?  This is
Victoria for Murphy's sake!"  So you go investigate, wondering if you can
jimmy the trunk open.  You notice the garage attendant, and decide better
of it.  And when you return with the camera, it is gone.  *sob*

On another note:
Is there any established list of languages that Nick speaks?
English, French, German (which eps)  Chinese (which dialect, which eps)
I'd also be inclined to inculde Gaelic, since in Queen of Harps, I doubt
they would be speaking English.  Possible, but unlikely in my opinion.
Besides, after 750+ years, you are bound to pick up quite a few
languages, if you travel, which nick and company obviously did.  English
wasn't very widespread in Europe until fairly recently.  (200-300
years)  Latin yes, French, yes, but English, I doubt.

AJ Schaafsma                                    Dvixen@w.......
This post in no way reflect the opinions of the myriad voices in my head.

V3.1  GSS d- s+:- a-- C++ W+ N++ w+(-) PS+ t+(--) fk++ 5++ X++ b+++ e+ r%
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:43:50 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: A message for Gerthering-goers

At 10:50 AM 6/25/96 +0000, Karen wrote:

>I just wanted to wish everyone who's going a safe trip and a
>wonderful time! I wish I could be with you, but since that's not to
>be, I hope you all have an extra-great time on my behalf!!

Thank you Karen...I'm sitting here knowing I should be finishing my last
minute packing....and I simply can't function!! I'm glad I have a long
flight...I'm gonna need it to calm down!!!


Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:42:26 -0400
From:         Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject:      Re: Who's babysitting?

Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......> said:
> Jamie asked me, once Allison was out of town, to keep an eye on the
> list.

Uh-oh, does that mean I'm babysitting until I do leave town (very early
tomorrow morning)?  My conversation with Jamie about this was rather
vague on this subject.  My fault, I probably read her e-mail at 3:00am
while my eyes were crossed with fatigue.

But for about another 12 hours I'll still be on the list, so feel free to
e-mail me privately at <percy91@w.......> with questions.  (BTW
newbies, this means *don't* reply to this message if you have a question,
since replies go straight to the list!)  After that, Lisa's in charge and
we all know "That Will Be Trouble!"  :^) :^)

And be nice or I'll post the list rules before I go!  Or, worse yet, I'll
write and post another List Rules URL Poem!!  (No! Not that! Anything but

I can't get myself to go NOMAIL while I'm gone.  The last time I went
NOMAIL on all my accounts was December 21, 1995.  And on December 22, JP
went on the 'net and told everyone FK had been cancelled.  I cannot
imagine what horrors would occur if I went NOMAIL again. <shiver>  I'll
just put myself on DIGEST and clear enough room on my account for all the
digests to accumulate.

> I don't have the ability to help with listserv problems, but
> I can take names and call the police (Jaye and Laurie Salopek <g> if
> necessary.

Now everyone behave themselves or Cousin Lisa will call the cops on ya!

But for now here are some useful web pages:

FK Mailing Lists web page (with rules and helpful listserv commands):

More helpful stuff on setting yourself NOMAIL, querying the list,
subscribing & unsubscribing, etc.:

The most important rule, as always, is BE NICE.  This means that we
shouldn't let our debates get personal and we should accept that others
might disagree with us.  Diversity of opinion is actually one of the
strengths of this fandom!  Let's not allow it to become its greatest
weakness, too.

Allison Percy, Knightie & Chief Bunny        percy91@w.......
    __o     Pedal for Forever Knight!  Support the charity bike tour!
  _`\<,_    E-mail me to find out how to donate and/or join the ride.
 (*)/ (*)     http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:45:09 -0400
From:         Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@u.......>
Subject:      Re: Blackwing: Did they?

On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Judith Freudenthal wrote:

> Tammy Stephanie Davis wrote that she didnt' think Marian undid any of Nick's
> shirt buttons.
> I do have to disagree there.  Several other people seem to think she did.  I
> believe she did when she was "sensing" him.

No she didn't.  I've seem the scene several times.
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:47:44 -0400
From:         Luz Funtowicz <funtowic@p.......>
Subject:      Re: LaCroix not pre-Christian/Garlic??????

>Well, Garlic is pretty repelling even to some humans.  And as one of the
>staples of the mediaeval and ancient seasoning cabinet, it is considered
>divine.  Salt also fits into this, and a line of salt across the threshold,
>or a circle of salt, was supposed to keep out a vampire also.
Garlic has a REALLY strong smell, I personally enjoy eating it (in pasta,
etc.) but that doesn't mean that I want to smell it on someone's breath or
body.  If you consider that vampires probably have a  much better sense of
smell than humans do, I think that it isn't so strange that they would be
repelled by it.
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:55:07 +0500
From:         "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject:      Re: FI, HF SPOILER: Sipping

Margie said:

>Despite some backsliding, Nick has shown an enormous amount of control.
>If it were generally possible for vampires to sip and not kill, I think
>Nick, of all people, would have developed that control also.

My problem with this is that Nick's control is the "all or nothing" kind;
this does not lead to the ability to sip, it leads to binges.  As we have
seen.  Nick does exactly what most diets make people do -- go off of their
normal food entirely in an attempt to "control" their calorie intake.  The
end result is, when they go back to normal food (human blood, in Nick's
case), they have *no* control at all, and end up worse than before.

95% of all diets fail.  This is an established fact.  Nick's diet certainly
seems to me to be one of the majority.

Storm -- wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Vaquera, Dark Knightie, UF, SKL; Gangrel, Scrapper
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that
"characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:33:21 PST
From:         June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject:      Blackwing. Was "The Fix and other stuff"

kevinm@p....... wrote:
:Sorry but I have to put my two cents in. If it was psychosematic (I know I
:messed the spelling up)or simple broadmindedness he wouldn't have reacted to
:the dagger in Blackwing.  He didn't recognize it as a holy item till Nat
:told him. And Tracy had to tell him why the symbol was so important.

You know, we imbue all sorts of special meaning into things like this.
However, there might be a scientific answer to this one. The dagger is made
of obsidian which is a pizoelectric crystal. Piezoelectric crystals can save
a charge which can zap an unsuspecting person. I get that reaction with
Carnelians. My friends have been known to drop one in my hand to see if it's
real. I get zapped when it's real, don't when it's not. It seems to be
specific because amethysts are also pizoelectric crystals and I have one I
always wear. It doesn't zap me.

So maybe Nick gets zapped by obsidian, not by the religious aspect of it.


Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:05:03 -0400
From:         Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick and Nat; romanticism

Sharon writes:

>Were you amongst those who only got "Francesca Doe"? <g>

<heavy sigh slap slap slap>

No, I cannot tell a lie ;).  That was just old sieve-brain.  I had forgotten
completely about that conversation, until you reminded me.  In my defense, I
did get "Francesca Chopped", though <G>.  Seriously, I counted six commercial
breaks where I would swear I only get five every other week;  and to make
matters worse, part of a conversation of Nick and Nat's was cut.  Otherwise,
I would have never thought twice about the extra commercial.  When they go to
the morgue for the first time, mine ran thus:


Nick, Nat, INT morgue

Nat:  The kiss print, a mixture of blood and lipstick...

was the first thing I heard.  Who knows what else.  Someone sent me an
unadulterated copy, though.  I'm assuming I eventually watched it <G>.

Okay, let me go to another side (keep it interesting).  I'm perfectly willing
to be proved wrong, but here's an interesting question in the "Who knows more
about Nick" category:

Now, we know (thanks to Sharon's debunking <G>) that Nat knows better than to
think the bad will evaporate from the good when he becomes mortal.  But:
 Have we had a scene  where Nick turns to Nat and admits fairly plainly, that
he had a time where he unabashedly *enjoyed* being a vampire?  When he
*revelled* in it?  Seems to me, that she knows he finds using his vampiric
powers as a cop, etc. to be _easier_;  but does she _really_ know the depth
of his affinity for the vampiric life?  Has Nick ever admitted such a thing
to Nat?  I know Nat hears a lot of the self-abnegating side;  she hears his
remorse.  Seems to me like that's at least one thing Janette knows
unequivocally, the sheer pleasure Nick took in it for who knows how long.   I
could just be blanking once more <G>.  But I'd like to have my memory jarred,
if he has.

Margie Hammet writes, quoting me:

>> Janette seems to be okay, if not _utterly_ satisfied, with what she
>>gets from <Nick>.  It's not her ideal, but it seems to be enough for the
>>moment. Janette has never said that she is unhappy with that kind of
>>treatment. Perhaps she *does* feel happy enough with the mutual "sipping".

>OTOH, she left him after 97 years.  Perhaps that's because she really
>wasn't satisfied with what she was getting from him.

I think you might have misunderstood me, Margie.  It is possible;  after all,
you are dealing with old sieve-brain here, who doesn't know "Francesca" from
her elbow <G>.

I was not referring to what Janette was getting from Nick when they were
together in their "vampire marriage".  The whole paragraph you snipped from
was me commenting on Nick and Janette's *end of second season* dynamic.
 "Sipping" referred to whether or not Janette was satisfied with his
treatment of her at the end of "Crazy Love".  Janette's being unhappy with
Nick in the (fourteenth?) century doesn't impact one iota on her feelings for
him in the twentieth.  She was not satisfied with what she was getting from
him *in the distant past*.  That does not mean her opinions did not change in
six centuries. :)

>I just don't think these are two people whose personalities fit together
>in a way that can create romantic love.  If it didn't happen after 97 years
>of living together, and 750 years of knowing each other, then the
>potential is probably not there.

Which, again, is not my point <G>.  The above statement of mine referred to
the fact that I thought Janette was happy enough with the state of affairs
which left her as Nick's "sipping partner" *in the twentieth century*.  It
had nothing to do with whether or not he could fall in love with her, and was
not supposed to be a proof for *or* against "whether or not Janette and Nick
belong together."  If you wanted to figure out a way to bring that into the
discussion, you needed to choose a different point of mine.  I know there
were gigabytes to choose from ;)

Now, About-Face! <VBG>

Hopeless Romanticism:  Does it Really Work?

Lisa Wolters writes, sparking another train of thought:

>taking someone for better or for worse. So maybe you'll say I'm a
>hopeless romantic, but I don't think so. I think it takes a rare amount of
>courage, strength, and love to overcome such a major roadblock in a
>relationship, and I have nothing but

Now, this brings up another train of thought (surprise <G>), and this is for
everybody, not just Lisa W. (hi, Lisa! <waving wildly>):

Personally, I come from the viewpoint of one who has "been there, done that"
very often in relationships, and I am curious.  I happen to think, from my
personal experiences and that of my friends', that the Romantic viewpoint of
love has done more damage to more women's love and relationships than almost
anything else (and no, I am not coming from any reading or study on the topic
about the feminist viewpoint, though I'm sure this is not an observation
brand-new to feminism;  but it may be new to FORKNI-L.  This is completely a
personal observation).  I think it's the same kind of viewpoint that leads to
people getting involved in all kinds of destructive situations in the name of
"romance".  I know they _say_ "adversity bonds people";  but is it _true_?
 To wit:

Why is it automatically seen that any love which the participants have to
*fight* to get, and practically all but snatch from the jaws of death in Nick
and Nat's case, is seen as much _truer_ than one that comes easily;  is not
frustrating  to the female;  and is more comfortable, easy, and relaxed?
 Imo, I think those types of "tortured" relationships have just as much
potential to dissolve, if not more, than the others, because those are being
maintained often _at the expense of high drama_.  They almost _need_ conflict
in order to thrive.  If LaCroix gave up and went away, would this lessen a
lot of the personal urgency Nick and Nat feel about the cure/each other?

Again imo, I happen to think that Nick and Nat are more than a bit "unequally
yoked", as I know I said more vehemently earlier (sorry Knighties;  no
offense meant <G>).  And I, for one, don't like relationships in which I have
*played* the Nat role of supplicant to the male.  They have, in my own
experience, _never_ worked out;  not seldom, but never, and I have sworn off
them with the best of intentions.  (Which, I know, does not necessarily mean
that I will not wind up "pulling a Nat" at some point in the future.  Would
that it did!)  In the light of that, I would like to rephrase my earlier

To all those who might think that Nick and Nat's postulated love is somewhat
"truer" because it came "harder";  that the harder they have to scratch and
claw to hold onto their love, the stronger it will wind up being:  do you
have a real-life precedent for this?  Has it honestly worked out for you in
the past;  and do you think that your views on this issue color which
relationship fraction you chose?  If it is fraught with danger and
uncertainty, where Nat never knows _quite_ where she stands with Nick because
he's running off to some other female, is this automatically "better"?  (I
know this has the option to get off-topic rather easily;  so by all means, if
it has no FK content, feel free to merely private e-mail me)

Has it happened to someone you know;  and perhaps more importantly, are
you/they still together?  Was it a lasting relationship (let's say, five
years or more)?  Or is this partly a myth, exacerbated by books and movies,
plays and opera, popular music and so forth?  Obviously, there is no "right
or wrong" answer.  It's just as one who started out a "Hopeless Romantic" and
has been hammered by experience into a "Cynical Knothead" <G>, I can
_understand_ where it's coming from, but I cannot condone, enjoy, or get into
the Nick/Nat relationship, and I know this is part of the reason why.
 Convince me it can work. <BG>  Really, I'd be grateful if you did;  then I
could have hopeless romanticism in _my_ life once more.

Felicia Bollin
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*aka "FORKNI-L Energizer Bunny"
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:46:11 PDT
From:         "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject:      176 responses/shooting for 200 by midnight!

We're almost there!  Still accepting any Forever Knight (Viewers' poll and
Merchandise Survey) responses AFTER today.  (Can we collect 500+ each by

Getting them in by:

--snail mail
--SOS webpage, one of 3 ways!

This is great!  Keep sending them in, handing them out, handing out flyers,
and (my personal favorite) stuffing any/all personal coorespondence
(especially bills!) with FK flyers, etc. in addition to the actual reason
for the mail.

As Bjo said:  Never know where you'll find an FK fan who doesn't know, but
who would love to help SAVE OUR SHOW FK!!

Don't forget to contact Anne Marion at TV_SHOWStuff to help her tell SONY
what we want!

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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:07:31 EDT
From:         Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject:      Gaelic?

Ahm, actually, if we assume that Nick could speak the local language
of Wales in 1220, it would be medieval Welsh, not Gaelic. Gaelic is
the Celtic language of Ireland and Scotland. Although Welsh is Celtic,
it belongs to a different branch of the Celtic family, and is not
automatically intelligible to Gaelic speakers who have not studied it.
The same is true for Welsh speakers and Gaelic.

More likely is that Gwynneth could speak French, which would be one
of the two languages Nick had grown up with. (Brabant is majority
Flemish-speaking -- it was still Netherlandic and undifferentiated
from Dutch in his day -- and minority Francophone.) There was a
heavy English/Norman presence in Wales by 1220. Another possibility q
is that both had had enough education to speak some Latin. Gwynneth
seemed to be a lady of high standing and Welshwomen were treated
more equitably than their English and French counterparts.

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:27:12 -0400
From:         Judith Freudenthal <DanaKnight@a.......>
Subject:      Raven Lyrics

Thanks to everyone who sent them to me!


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