FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 59
May 30-May 31, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 59
TOPICS:
Virtual season - misgivings
SPOILER: Francesca LK -- Tracy
SPOILERS -- FRANCESCA, LK
ADMIN: FKSPOILR's Fate.
The Fix
Nat's car... (2)
Urs and LaCroix (Ashes to Ashes spoilers) (2)
The Good Doctor's Future In The Virtual Season (2)
SPOILER: LK and NiQ
A new Nightclub in Rhode Island??!!
LK: I finally get it
Urs and LaCroix (AtA, HF spoilers) (2)
bye all (2)
Spoiler: LK
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:53:42 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual season - misgivings
Laurie Fenster listed several valid reasons why the virtual season is not
a good idea. Among them was:
> 4. Potential for hurt feelings, resentment, list splintering is
> enormous.
This to me is the biggest problem. If virtual episodes are discussed the
same way as televised episodes, it will be impossible to avoid hurt
feelings and for people (most especially the writers) to feel as if
they've been flamed and/or personally insulted.
Personally, I have absolutely no interest in getting involved in a
virtual season. I don't see any difference between posting fanfic to
fkfic-l and writing a virtual season except that with a virtual season
episode someone else decides the parameters of your story and what
"canon" you are to follow.
If y'all decide to proceed with a virtual season, please consider those
of us who have no desire to participate and who pay by the line or by the
minute to download e-mail. If the virtual season is to be posted to
fkfic-l and discussed on forkni-l, perhaps the listowners might consider
setting up topics so that we can elect not to receive the posts.
Jane
janes@i.......
Raven ** Immortal Beloved ** M.B.D.T.K.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:24:32 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Francesca LK -- Tracy
>*** Amy, Lady of the Knight wrote; ***
>you could
>consider Tracy to possess some psychic potential.....
Actually I thought that was the intention of that little ... scene where
Tracy "felt something coming on." They wanted us to feel she
possessed *some sort of ... potential*. <wcg>
Maybe we were supposed to bite at that stuff where psychics and the
lot say that certain reincarnated individuals end up involved with the
same people around them. Tracy allegedly knew Francesca, Nickie,
and LC. She was partnered with Nickie, who told her(him) in her past
life that she had a great future. (Heh Heh) Little did he know, of course,
it was as *dinner*.
So, that's, like, twice Nick has been near her in violent death. If these
trails are to be believed, Tracy and Nick could have a long history.
She could have been the Nun that Nickie "trusted" and LC killed.
("Plays havic with my digestion." [~LC on religious food.] Heh, heh.)
Nick kept the burnt music box, and Tracy's soul thang is connected to it....
Or she could have been the bounty hunting cowboy in "The Code", who
Nick also trusted, and LC also killed. Not to mention one of the French
Resistance Fighters Nick killed in his rather hysterical state.
They could be going round n' round about trust.
Gk
SoulDebris@a.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:37:01 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILERS -- FRANCESCA, LK
Linda Simon wrote:
> Nick took A LOT of Nat's blood (and Alyssa's, etc.), yet there was
>no indication that he was drunk on her essence.
We may not have seen what Nick experienced in the few seconds
it took him to drain Nat, but for about three seconds afterwards he
looked pretty darn satisfied.
It was pretty much the same reaction as with Amalia in "Crazy Love".
He lost himself in the pleasure zone.
I don't know if Nat's desire to be brought across, if sensed (Or flash
felt) by Nick would have influenced him to the extent that he would
have given in to that particular desire.
Even LaCroix wouldn't buy it that Nick loved her *and* brought her
across, he knows him too well....
Gk
SoulDebris@a.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:46:45 -0400
From: The Phoenix <jap8@c.......>
Subject: ADMIN: FKSPOILR's Fate.
This is just a quick note to remind everyone (hopefully in a manner that
they'll heed) that in about two weeks or so, I will be contacting Bill
Verity (our way-cool postmaster and way-too-nice guy) to remove FKSPOILR
from PSUVM.
Let me be clear on this. FKSPOILR is being shut down. Why? There
are no new episodes to hash out that will require spoiler protection.
What about this virtual season? Let me point you to FKFIC-L. That is
what it is for. I honestly don't see the need for a whole separate list
for stuff we already have a list for.
Let me stress to everyone that our lists are a *MAJOR* drain on PSU's
listserver. We have well over 1000 ppl on FORKNI-L now. It generates two
or three or four digests a day. People at PSU are getting really cranky
about how much space on their allegedly academic listserver is being
taken up by non-academic lists. By no means are we the only non-ac lists
on here, but we are prolly their biggest non-ac drain. That makes us a
target. So, giving up FKSPOILR could possibly give us a slightly longer
lease on the FORKNI-L/FKFIC-L lease on life.
If anyone is interested in hosting really massive mailing lists, or knows
of a site who might be interested, lemme know.
Red,
Crayonical Listowner.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:10:43 -0700
From: Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject: The Fix
Margie wrote:
>I also loved the scene where Nick said to Nat, "I see what you're
>trying to do! You're trying to control me, just like they are!" It
>sounded just like the typical male to girlfriend or wife, i.e. -
>"You're just like my Mom!"
Gee, I looked at this in a totally different light. More like Nick was
half crazed by withdrawal and the need to stay human. Real desperate,
and not thinking rationally. Just MHO.
Toni
Knightie from NYC
"Mon cher, you've been spending too much time in the sun."
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:15:50 -0700
From: Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject: Nat's car...
Hi all...
More cents...
John T Holden asked...<but have we ever actually seen what type of car
Nat drives? I think in the past we've seen Schanke's and Tracy's but I don't
recall ever seeing Nat's car.>
We sure have. In numerous episodes. I believe it's a Taurus or
something similar. Look at the beginning of OtLonely, right after the
first date murder. Or Fallen Idol. The kid (Joey???) hides in the
back seat. Also, CB when NAt goes to treat the illegal immigrant in
the acupuncturist's hideaway. Scillions more, boys and girls. Just
can't remember right now.
Toni
Knightie Researcher
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:28:55 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nat's car...
> From: "Antonia Spadafina" <asginger@i.......>
> We sure have. In numerous episodes. I believe it's a Taurus or
> something similar. Look at the beginning of OtLonely, right after the
> first date murder. Or Fallen Idol. The kid (Joey???) hides in the
> back seat. Also, CB when NAt goes to treat the illegal immigrant in
Ya know...She's my favorite character and I can't believe my mind "forgot"
all these scenes. Maybe I'm just so concentrated on her that the backgrounds
fades away.... :)
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:33:44 -0500
From: John & Donna Spert <jjs@i.......>
Subject: Urs and LaCroix (Ashes to Ashes spoilers)
We were talking about Urs and realized that there's some fairly strong
evidence that Urs and LaCroix were lovers. Most of the clues are in AtA,
but Black Buddha supports the idea.
In AtA:
1) LaCroix finds Urs and Vachon together on the couch. Vachon says,
"It's not how it looks". And Urs explains why Vachon is there. This is
the sort of thing one says to someone who might have reason to feel jealous.
2) Divia was killing people in reverse order of how close they were to
LaCroix. Why was Urs second only to Nick?
3) The manner in which Urs was killed. Not even Nick was treated as
brutally by Divia. Divia wanted LaCroix as a lover. How would she be
toward his actual lover?
In Black Buddha:
1) LaCroix describes Urs to Nick as "an innocent goddess". His face
doesn't really look like he's being sarcastic. (And we know his weakness
for "innocence".)
2) When Vachon tells Urs that he's leaving town, she gets pretty upset.
Why? Urs appears to have been with him since she was brought across.
She's just a dancer at the Raven. What motivation does she have for
wanting to stay? (BTW, Vachon tells her that he's not asking her to go.
So he seems to think she has a good reason for staying.)
Just to mention, Vachon might be the third in line killed because LaCroix
would likely become at least a close acquaintance of his lover's
"master". This isn't a supporting point, but does explain his death if
one accepts the above arguments.
What do you think?
John and Donna
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:28:23 -0400
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: The Good Doctor's Future In The Virtual Season
In a message dated 96-05-29 22:08:33 EDT, you write:
>Even though this post was to be about Natalie, I also vote the trio move to
>Montreal.
I DEFINITELY agree!!! Hey perhaps they might run into Janette along the
way!!! Of course that would be WAY to easy, Janette with LaCroix and Natalie
with Nick! Or, to make the Valentines happy, Natalie with LaCroix and
Janette with LaCroix. And, since I'm still an Immortal Beloved -- Janette
with Nick and Janette with LaCroix and Natalie with Nick. (I just want
EVERYONE together, what can I say?) And, just because I AM an Unnamed
Factioner -- Nick with LaCroix.
Ravenette, Cousin, Seducer,
Immortal Beloved, Unnamed
Faction, Valentine, N&Nater (just kidding!!!),
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:25:14 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Urs and LaCroix (Ashes to Ashes spoilers)
John and Donna wrote:
>1) LaCroix finds Urs and Vachon together on the couch. Vachon says,
>"It's not how it looks". And Urs explains why Vachon is there. This is
>the sort of thing one says to someone who might have reason to feel jealous.
Maybe Vachon was saying it because *he* and LC were lovers -- JUST KIDDING!
You Vaqueras put those swords down, I was just kidding. ;)
>2) Divia was killing people in reverse order of how close they were to
>LaCroix. Why was Urs second only to Nick?
Because there seem to only be a handful of vampires in Toronto these days.
Actually I'm just being devil's advocate. I don't have any prob with
assuming LC and Urs had a little fling in the wine cellar. Hell, a guy gets
lonely, a girl gets lonely... Bada bing, bada boom...
Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"Would that this thong were a less annoying undergarment." - Anon.
Wickedness Site! http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:13:07 -0400
From: Lynn Messing <messing@a.......>
Subject: SPOILER: LK and NiQ
Howdy all! Just a quick comment...I was re-watching NiQ and came upon
Nick's dream sequence...You know the one where he dreams of chomping on
Nat, while LC is watching in the background?
All I could think of was...How prophetic!
cheers, Lynn messing@a.......
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:19:22 -0700
From: Angie <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: The Good Doctor's Future In The Virtual Season
> (I just want
>EVERYONE together, what can I say?) And, just because I AM an Unnamed
>Factioner -- Nick with LaCroix.
Ah yes Ravenette, but you also Janette with Nat and all of them together!
Teeheehee.
Sorry, I am in a very very goofy mood today!
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:03:39 -0400
From: "Meredith E. Pickering" <Plan2@a.......>
Subject: A new Nightclub in Rhode Island??!!
Hi all,
For those of you who did not see my YKYBWTMFK post on the FORKNI list, I'll
repeat myself here. I also have more amusing details to add!
A new nightclub in Providence called - The Raven!
Nicely located in a small alley in an area of brick facades (looks terribly
familiar...)
Bands playing tonight? "In Vein" and "Darkened Soul"
I'm not making this up - it was in the Providence Phoenix newspaper... but I
seriously wonder whether LaCroix has moved the entourage to Providence??
Which brings me to an idea: come up with names for bands headed up by our
favorite vampires and their friends (or, additionally, which instruments
would they play??)....
For example, guess who the following bands would be headed up by:
** The Walking Dead
** Bad Blood
** Formaldehyde
Don't they sound like good names for groups?? I know, I'm not getting enough
sleep...
Meredith
Natpacker, Dracpacker
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:08:47 -0400
From: Kristina Mairi Buhrman <kmb19@c.......>
Subject: LK: I finally get it
That whole "forrest gump" peach analogy. I get it now! Y'see, Lacroix
worked at a radio station, so of course he would have heard the song
"Peaches" by the Presidents of the United States of America. It was stuck
in his head, just like it's stuck in my head now.
It all makes sense now! Everything! <manacial laughter>
<runs off with crazed look in the eye singing "Millions of peaches,
peaches for me. Millions of peaches, peaches for free...">
-Kristina (is it possible to OD on coffee?)
perkulator working too much overtime in a computer lab
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:37:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Urs and LaCroix (AtA, HF spoilers)
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:34:51 -0500
From: M Wombat <ma97ad14@a.......>
Subject: bye all
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:20:57 -0700
From: Fundenberger <fundy@t.......>
Subject: Re: bye all
Is this an airplane or a hypodermic needle?
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:26:15 -0700
From: Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject: Spoiler: LK
Hi all--
About the IA investigation...did Nick shoot the perp, or did he just
bash him against the wall in a vampirish manner? I can't remember
(brain lint) exactly, but I thought Nick had put his gun away.
I know IA investigates all shootings, but maybe Reesed is worried
because Nick offed the guy bare-handed...
Someone please correct my disabused opinion.
Toni S
Knightie from NYC
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:08:07 -0500
From: John & Donna Spert <jjs@i.......>
Subject: Re: Urs and LaCroix (AtA, HF spoilers)
Hi ...
> Maybe the "It's not how it looks" refers to the fact that LC told her to
> mop the floor and she fell asleep in a man's lap instead?
Does she even work there anymore? Sometime in the first few episodes she
stopped dressing in her "dancer's outfit" and started wearing everday
clothes. By AtA, she was in a better class of clothes. An effect of
LaCroix's influence and money?
> Because, with only ten actors in Toronto, there aren't enough of them for
> more than two vampires. And if Divia were after the closest
> (relationship-wise) vamps in LC's life, she would have gone after
> Janette, as well. Instead, Divia attacked whoever *seemed* closest
A reality argument! Bite your typing fingers! :-) Anyway, Janette isn't in
Toronto as far as we know, so Divia probably wouldn't have known of her.
> But, again, Divia could have been suspecting a closer connection between
> LC and (apparently :) one of the few female vampires around him - as in a
> "Just in case there is anything going on..." kind of way. A
After Urs and Vachon are attacked, Nick goes to the Raven. He tries to
get LaCroix to talk about the caller on his radio show. LaCroix tries to
evade by saying "You still listen to the show. I'm flattered." Nick
counters with "Urs is dead". LaCroix turns his face sharply as if to
hide emotion. He then says, "The word is out. Being seen in my company
can be fatal."
I think Nick said what he did because he knew it would cut through
LaCroix's sarcastic facade. Which would mean that Urs was someone
special.
Furthermore, I think the conversation between them means that other
vampires *have* been dying. At this point, Urs has died at Nick's place
and Vachon is holed up at the church. How have the other vampires heard
of this in order to start avoiding LaCroix? I think the implication is
that Divia has been killing vampires right along, and with Vachon and
Urs has attacked the two who are most important to him besides Nick.
> ... But other than apparent innocence,
> what else could Urs and Fleur have had in common, do you think? They had
> to have been similar in other aspects, otherwise LC would be constantly
> after every "innocent" who comes along
One wild idea is that she's Fleur reincarnated. LaCroix, an old
experienced vampire, might pick this up. Whereas Nick, younger and
trying to stay away from vampire powers, might not. Someone else on the
list pointed out that Frank ("Francesca") and Tracy's memories might mean
the writers were working on the idea of souls turning up in each others
company over and over. Fleur is certainly a candidate for this. And it
would make LaCroix's "innocent goddess" remark both a statement of his
feelings and a real barb at Nick, who wouldn't even realize he was the
brunt of it. (ObWimpOut: I am not prepared to defend this at this time.)
> 'Cause she finally found a job? i can relate :) Maybe, she's been suffering
> from the "mobile family". Finally gets to a town she likes, doesn't want
> to leave. If she and LC were lovers, tho, they certainly got started
> right away...
Suffering from "mobile family" is certainly possible. Although Vachon and
company were probably in Toronto for a fair while before the Inca picked
up his trail. If you rewatch the scene where Vachon tells her he's
leaving, she looks upset and says she like it here. He says that no
one's asking her to go. As he leaves, he kisses her cheek; she holds him
to her. Clearly she is upset that he's leaving, yet feels strongly that
she has reasons to stay.
And given her outfit changes mentioned above, as well as lack of later
season appearances as a dancer, it could be that LaCroix gave her a job,
there was an initial attraction, they became lovers, and then she gave up
her rather tacky job and outfits since he could provide for her.
(LaCroix's pride would also dictate his lover not be a dancer in a club.)
> i think you two brought up some very good points and, like Tippi, i don't
> necessarily disagree - just seeing what i can come up with for the other
> side.
That's what makes this fun!
John and Donna
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