FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 57
May 29-May 30, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 57
TOPICS:
LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation (4)
The Atlanta LK party quote list (spoilers)
Virtual season -- writing style? (4)
Virtual Seasoning
virtual season--Vachon
LK Spoiler-Humorous & short
Proof reading
virtual season
LK Spoiler (HF Spoilers)
Virtual Season:apologies read first
Virtual planning
The Good Doctor's Future In The Virtual Season
Virtual Season = SPOILERS for all
SPoiler: LK and virtual season/Format?
virtual season/Spoilers LK
Virtual season
SPOILER--LK
Spoiler: Last Knight
Spoiler: LK - virtual season
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:12:55 -0700
From: "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject: LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation
"Stephanie S. Babbitt" asked:
>Here's a question I haven't seen addressed yet. Why is IA going to be on
>Nick's case for killing Dawkins? The man shot at him and shot his partner,
>for God's sake! If IA didn't get wigged over Tracy killing the perp in
Sandra said:
> suspect Nick would be investigated because a) Tracy is the
>Commissioner's daughter, b) only the two of them were in the locker
FWIW (not that I'd even try to justify the lunacy of how Reese's station
operated). At least in most US police departments, anytime that an officer
kills anyone there is a mandatory investigation. My understanding is that
there is generally an explanation and paperwork every time a gun is fired by
an officer. Just because they don't show it every time doesn't mean it
didn't happen. And, if you remember there was a reference to IA wanting to
question Tracy in TG and they did question both her & Nick in NiQ. In a case
where a unshackled convict gets loose in a police station and kills one
officer and another officer kills him, and everyone generally runs around
like chickens with their heads cut off,you can d**m well believe there would
be an extensive investigation.
-Toni <tch@w.......>
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:43:01 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: The Atlanta LK party quote list (spoilers)
Someone in Atlanta said:
>Wait--how the *hell* did that get there? Did they dig it out of the
>ashes of Pompeii?
I think something similar was uttered at LK parties alllll across this
country and others. ;) In Arlington, someone (probably me, knowing myself
the way I do) suggested that he got it at the Home Shopping Club. Either
that or he super glued the sucker together again and has been toting it
around like an albatross for the past 2 milenia! ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"We have a very special relationship." - LC to NK, NiQ
Wickedness Site! http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:32:33 -0400
From: Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject: Virtual season -- writing style?
I'm wondering if anyone has been thinking about the _form_ the VS episodes
would have. Most stories are written from a character's POV, we know what
they feel and think more or less because we are brought into their heads.
This isn't true in the visual medium of tv. The actors must convey with
their words, voices and bodies what their characters are feeling. We can't
get _into_ their heads. We may think that we do, but if we really-o,
trully-o did we wouldn't have quite the divergent opinions we do on certain
matters such as what exactly Nick feels toward Nat. <g>
Would the episodes be presented as scripts? As third person narratives with
careful descriptions of facial expressions and voice tones, but avoiding
going into what the character is actually _thinking_? Or as the usual FKfic
stories, told from at least one character's POV? The latter could be kind of
tricky, because that is when things stop being open to interpretation by the
"viewing audiance". If a writer tells us, because the story is written from
Nick's POV, exactly what he feels about Nat (or what the writer feels he
feels toward Nat), that ends one of the most interesting things about FK;
each viewer's individual interpretation of what is happening on the screen.
Just curious,
Leslie GS
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:38:14 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation
In response to my question, Toni noted:
>At least in most US police departments, anytime that an officer
>kills anyone there is a mandatory investigation. <snip> In a case where
>an unshackled convict gets loose <snip> you can d**m well believe
>there would be an extensive investigation.
I understand that an investigation will be necessary. What doesn't make
sense to me is why Reese seems to think IA is going to come down so hard on
Nick for this particular perp fatality--that it was self-defense goes
without saying. To me, the conversation between Reese and Nick in the
hospital is just another of the *really weird* aspects of this ep that make
it seem more dream-like or fantasy-like than real. At the Atlanta party, we
had a field day laughing over Reese's "I'm here for you, Nick. Oops, gotta
go!" lines.
Poor Nick. When's he gonna wake up with the sweaty forehead? Enough of this
silly dream sequence, already!
Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera
Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died. -JMR
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:36:25 -0400
From: Kristina Mairi Buhrman <kmb19@c.......>
Subject: Virtual Seasoning
On Wed, 29 May 1996, Automatic digest processor wrote:
(sorry, I'm on digest, well, you could see that)
> Tracy got medical care that would have everyone involved hauled up
> before their various boards, and unhooking her from lifesupport in the
> absence of a responsible person was just the last straw. But she did look
> pretty dead to me. I think she'd have to be a vampire. She could join
> Nick in yearning for mortality. But if anyone can think of a way to keep
> her mortal, that would be much better -- it seemed to be the Paragon team
Well, after convincing myself that she dies and becamse a member of the IRS
(loooong story that involves a painful audit), I came across this article
I clipped a while back, which involves a guy who was pronounced dead, was
"dead" for 14 (or more) minutes, then came too again. And then there are
the people, who when lifesupport is cut off continue to live.
I figured that one of these a-bit-further-than-near-death experiences
happened to her, she's still mortal, but a bit changed. Whether to more
annoying or to deeper, is your decision.
-Kristina (Perkulator with a penchant for clipping newspaper articles)
kmb19@c.......
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:16:32 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual season -- writing style?
Leslie brings up some interesting questions regarding the writing
style of virtual scripts. I think they should be either "scripts"
(if the writer is comfortable using that form) or as close to script
style as possible (third person, with the story told mostly through
dialogue and a description of the action). Except in those cases
where a story focuses on a character's "inner" life (like C&C in the
series did with Nick), I think "inner" thoughts should be minimized.
Well written dialogue and good description of the action should be
sufficient for us to imagine the "episode", I would think.
Flashbacks are, to some extent, "inner" dialogue of a character, but
even there, we weren't shown anything but the "dialogue and action"
and were left to draw our own conclusions as to what the character(s)
was feeling or thinking. Yes, we had the actors and the filming to
help with our perceptions of what we were watching, but, as Leslie
said, we still looked at the same things differently.
To me, to describe "expressions" or the "body language" of the
characters *all the time* could bog down a story and be distracting.
Not to mention that the expressions and body language one person
chose for a character might seem wrong to another person. In some
dramatic moments, a description of expression or body language could
be necessary, but I would think our imaginations could supply the
necessary "vision" for the most part.
Of course, "action" would also include some description of settings
and guest characters.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:09:32 -0700
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <lizbet@m.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season--Vachon
At 2:56 PM 5/28/96, OREL, SARA wrote:
>Schanke is dead, dead, dead (much as I
>miss him), as is (sadly enough)Vachon, but I could be convinced that we
>don't know enough about vampirism to really understand his death.
Actually, I had an idea today (yes, it hurt). Vachon's death hinges on one
scene in AtA--where he throws himself at Tracy while she is holding the
stake. The first three times I saw that episode, I was sure he was
attacking her. Couldn't we just rewrite AtA so that Tracy was holding the
stake DOWN rather than STRAIGHT OUT? Or is rewriting aired episodes a
no-no?
Lizbet ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild
lizbet@m....... ~~ Lizbetann@a....... ~~ Ravenette of the New Order ~
Knightie/NatPacker/N&NPacker with Cousinly tendencies and the faintest of
leanings toward Vanquera-ism ~~ Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw ~~ Listowner, Middle
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:48:01 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual season -- writing style?
Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......> said:
> I think they should be either "scripts"
> (if the writer is comfortable using that form) or as close to script
> style as possible (third person, with the story told mostly through
> dialogue and a description of the action).
While I understand the interest in leaving something to the reader (or
"viewer's") imagination, so that we're never quite sure what the
characters are thinking, I thought I'd just mention that I hate reading
scripts. As reading material, they are awkward. Too much is added
between the script phase and the final filmed version -- detailed
settings, direction, facial expressions, etc. etc. If you just read the
script, you get only a bare-bones version. Yuck.
The virtual season, because it will be written rather than filmed, will
need to rely on the descriptive power of the writers to set the scene. A
script format just won't cut the mustard, in my view.
Is there a compromise -- a format that would allow detailed description
of settings, action, facial expressions, tone of voice, etc., but that
wouldn't necessarily delve into the characters' thoughts?
BTW, as long as I've finally decided to say something about the virtual
season, my general impressions of the idea are very positive. I like the
idea of a series of stories that are forced to remain semi-consistent
with each other. While I love the freedom that fanfic allows (fanfic
writers can do things that script writers could never get away with), I'm
intrigued by the idea of a series of fanfic stories written by different
authors who are forced to follow (more or less) what has been written
before. I imagine it will spur on some creative juices, in the same way
that the fanfic authors writing post-LK fiction have been inspired by the
necessity of dealing with the consequences of that episode.
As a future reader of the virtual season, though, I don't really want to
know *too much* about what I'm going to read ahead of time. I don't want
to know that, say, Nick will become mortal and Lacroix will bring Natalie
across in episode one, someone will bring Nick back across in episode two,
Vachon will return from the grave in episode 3, Tracy's father will
attempt to murder Nick in episode 4, etc. That's why I normally don't
read spoilers for episodes I haven't seen. (The "Last Knight" spoilers
were one exception, just because it was impossible to avoid them and I
was going nuts imagining the worst.)
So I think a "writer's committee" should take any *detailed* planning of
the virtual season off-list. And I think there will be issues to be
resolved about who is on the committee, who writes episodes, etc.
The real TV world has authority figures who make these choices. Fandom
doesn't normally have real authority figures, but I think you'll need
some in this case.
BTW, given the fact that I have never been able to write anything serious
in my life, I think the only way I would attempt to write for the virtual
season would be to create the Virtual Blooper Reel. Someday to be known
as the Thing We Virtually Do Not Have. <g>
Allison
percy91@w.......
Jamie's home! Hurray! All hail the return of the Listmommy!
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:14:25 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: LK Spoiler-Humorous & short
> From: "Stephanie Babbitt" <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
> The one she drives in Season 3 is a dark Taurus-type car (4-door,
> late-model sedan). We see it in MBiaV after the psychiatrist is murdered
> (Nat & Tracy have a conversation beside it); in Fallen Idol (kid is hiding
> in it as Nat gets in); in Human Factor (Nick is driving it); and in LNMTA
Geez, how did I forget all those scenes????? I must have a swiss cheese brain
today....
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:15:48 -0400
From: Angie <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Proof reading
Apache Wrote
> Not to mention will anyone be editing these things for those
>little bugaboos of fanfic, spelling, syntax, grammar and misuse of
>words?
Arlette Wrote:
I'm sure there are people here who can do that. I, for one, can do
it (to the point of annoyance to the writers involved).
I would be more than happy to be an editor or proof reader for anyone who
needs me to be.
Lasher
The Unnamed Bunny That Moo's at the Cousins of the Knight
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:57:59 -0500
From: John & Donna Spert <jjs@i.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
Hi,
John and I are talking this over and have come up with three
possibilities we like. In any case we'd like Tracy and Vachon there for
the action.
1) Ignore Ashes to Ashes and Last Knight. I think this is what the
novels are going to do. (Does anyone know for sure?) This leaves
everyone still alive without rationalizations.
2) Ignore Last Knight. This episode exists mostly to provide closure for
the main cast, which is not needed for a fourth season, and it provided
little new insight into the characters that was not negative. This leaves
only the aftermath of Ashes to Ashes to be dealt with, and all the good
stuff in AtA too. We think Apache et al. are right that Vachon should
heal given some time in the ground. We also don't think he was physically
as far gone as he thought he was and may have eventually healed anyway. He
was pretty insane, and not thinking straight. I loved the hints that Urs
and LaCroix were in a relationship (BB, AtA). If Urs was brought back we
could see this relationship explored more. (When Nick told LaCroix that
Natalie took care of her, could she has been pumping blood in her instead
of disposing of her body? Does anybody else smell a cheesy
rationalization? ) We vote to bring them both back. This is also our
favorite suggestion for the virtual season.
3) Take up where Last Knight left off with the following suggestions.
Nick went back to the hospital after he talked to LaCroix and brought
Tracy across. In the final scene, Nick is mortal, Natalie is a vampire,
and neither get staked. We'd still want Vachon back. This would leave
things about the same yet it would have a whole new spin. Natalie and
Nick would still have the vampire/mortal problems to get in the way of
their relationship. Tracy and Nick would be the vampire/mortal cop
partners, but Nick would be vulnerable now, and Tracy would have to hold
him back and watch out for him. Natalie would be a vampire orphan. Would
LaCroix adopt her, adding new tension to Nick and LaCroix's relationship;
or would Vachon get better and adopt her and show her that it can be fun
to be a vampire? Tracy would also be a vampire orphan unless Vachon gets
better first and he's the one that goes to the hospital to bring her
across.
(John kibbitzing: We both also feel that Nick is jealous of Vachon's
relationship with Tracy. Not only has he been really tough on Vachon
throughout the season, with little cause, but the memory he wanted Tracy
left with would leave her feeling, "I loved a vampire who didn't love me,
since he decided it was time to go." Whether Tracy came back as human or
vampire, there are possibilities here between Nick/Vachon, Nick/Tracy,
and Natalie/Tracy. Suppose Nat, who knows about Vachon and knows that
Tracy knows, sees them having a closer relationship than she and Nick have?)
Donna and John
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:38:32 -0700
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <lizbet@m.......>
Subject: Re: LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation
At 2:12 PM 5/29/96, Toni C. Holm wrote:
>"Stephanie S. Babbitt" asked:
>>Here's a question I haven't seen addressed yet. Why is IA going to be on
>>Nick's case for killing Dawkins?
>In a case
>where a unshackled convict gets loose in a police station and kills one
>officer and another officer kills him, and everyone generally runs around
>like chickens with their heads cut off,you can d**m well believe there would
>be an extensive investigation.
Not to mention the fact that Nick is/was now the only witness. For all IA
knew, he might have accidentally shot Tracy while fighting with the perp.
In TG (ugh, ugh) there were plenty of witnesses to testify to the fact that
Tracy had shot in self defence.
Lizbet ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild
lizbet@m....... ~~ Lizbetann@a....... ~~ Ravenette of the New Order ~
Knightie/NatPacker/N&NPacker with Cousinly tendencies and the faintest of
leanings toward Vanquera-ism ~~ Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw ~~ Listowner, Middle
Ages Life ~~ http://members.aol.com/Lizbetann/mypage.html
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:42:57 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: LK Spoiler (HF Spoilers)
John asked:
> but have we ever actually seen what type of car Nat drives? I think in
> the past we've seen Schanke's and Tracy's but I don't recall ever
>seeing Nat's car.
Several times, as a matter of fact. She was seen getting into her car at
crime scenes of course. In OTL, Roger drives her to the nursery in her
car. Her car gets rammed, overturns and blows up in SD. In Bad Blood,
Liam takes her car and drives it through a warehouse wall and it bursts
into flames. She picks up her brother Richard and drives him to the
police precinct in IWR. Nick borrows Nat's car in HF. The last time I
remember looking, she had and Oldsmobile. I'm not sure of the model.
There, more than you probably ever wanted to know about Nat's wheels.
:)=
Carrie
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:55:45 -0500
From: John & Donna Spert <jjs@i.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual Season:apologies read first
I'm sorry. While I carefully posted to the spoiler list, I carelessly
forgot to say I spoiled Ashes to Ashes and Last Knight. I'm very sorry
(also new to this).
Donna.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:21:40 -0400
From: TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Virtual planning
OK, a couple of questions have been coming up more and more and need
to be answered about the Virtual Season:
First, about who makes the decisions:
As of this moment there are Sorcha and I and Tippi and Mel Moser, and
we've got an abundance of volunteers to help round things out in terms
of the coordination. There will also be other people helping out
with continuity, beta-reading, editing (spelling, grammar, all the
other things we complain about in fanfic) ideas, etc. EVERYONE
is welcome to contribute.
As for rejection and the submission process, the process itself has
yet to be completely worked out, but it will probably be something
along the lines of (numbers arbitrary for the sake of non-argument)
'OK, we've got 10 ideas. Let's start with these 7.' The other 3
will probably still have good ideas among them, but we're just starting
with the 7 because they present the best possibilities. I can't
see us ever out-and-out rejecting something.
Again, though, the process has not been worked out, and won't be on
this list. This message is intended merely to put people at ease.
We should probably set up a "process" loop and take this off the
list. If anyone is interested in participating in that discussion,
drop us a note and we'll put it together.
---- The Virtual Committee
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:07:14 -0400
From: June Williams <cousin@w.......>
Subject: The Good Doctor's Future In The Virtual Season
On first viewing of LK, my feeling was that Natalie would return as a
Hunter. Think of her torture as her new nature compels her to hunt the one
she had loved, and protected. (yes, she aided and protected him) Then I
thought, the trio are in Nick's loft. Don't you think Nick has always kept
a few bottles of the "good" stuff for emergencys or binges or perhaps old
friends ?
Uncle seemed very comfortable playing doctor at the hospital. Course he
always has a knack for looking comfortable in any role he assumes.
Seriously, in the 2,000 and some years that LC has been around, and the 800
years Nick has been with him, don't you think either of them would have
learned how to perform a transfusion, or at least take a "stab" at it ?
Well I for one vote the Good Doctor survives as a mortal, and boy is she
pissed.
She is also very conflicted, isn't that where tramatic tension comes in ?
BTW, if LaCroix saves her instead of Nick, might her opinion of Uncle
undergo a change ? Might the two dance about each other without any
commitment, driving Nick wild with jealousy ?
Even though this post was to be about Natalie, I also vote the trio move to
Montreal. My guess is Toronto is a closed book to them, but with a close
relative so nearby perhaps they might see the charms of Underground
Montreal, and we would get a lot more French worked into the show. (I always
went wild when Gomez spoke French)
Ad Astra-June-cousin@w.......
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:22:41 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Virtual Season = SPOILERS for all
In case this hasn't already become evident, messages with the words
"virtual season" in the subject line are very, very likely to contain
spoilers for the last few episodes in them. (I know I let an Ashes to
Ashes spoiler slip into my post on this topic! Bad babysitter, no
biscuit.)
So, for the unspoiled, be forewarned that you should avoid these posts.
And when posting about the virtual season, can everyone please try to add
the words "SPOILERS: All eps" to your subject line? Or "SPOILERS: <episode
name>" if you only spoil one episode. So then all the virtual season
posts would have a subject line something like this:
SPOILERS: All eps, Virtual Season
Hopefully this will allow the few remaining unspoiled individuals to
avoid these posts. (Are there any unspoiled people left, I sometimes
wonder??)
--
Allison (percy91@w.......)
Who hasn't officially been fired from this babysitter job yet, even
though Jamie is back, but hopes this doesn't step on any toes.
--
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:17:24 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPoiler: LK and virtual season/Format?
I'm totally down for a virtual season. Ger-cam, Divia-Vision,
swooshing, control over the eyebrow pencil....
Sandra wrote:
>> Besides, if Schanke was brought back, how could he be worked
>>into the show? <snip> Make Schanke have survived but be either
>> physically incapable of continuing in his job or have him want to
>> retire or be transferred?
Cousin Lisa wrote:
>>You know, come to think of it, Ger said last year at the Gerthering
>>that one thing that was being considered until John Kapellos decided
>>to leave was having Schanke become Nick's boss.
Okay, the real problem I see with a third season is who do we make the
Captain? Reese made half a dozen too many mistakes, regardless of
whether or not Button is left dead, he's out of there. We have mentioned
his errors on several occasions, and it just riles me every time I hear
him tell Dawkins to settle down or he'll be cuffed. It should have been,
"Why the H*** isn't this psycho cuffed?" TPTB couldv'e at least come
up with a believable way to off Tracy. Anyway, before I rant into the
night....
If we all agreed, we could make Schanke the captain. Like, if they
identified him by a finger, he could have been wandering around without
the finger, whatever, this *is* fiction. Either that or bring back
Stonetree.
Actually LaCroix *was* packed. My second floor apartment is vacant....
<wcg> He could be off lamenting his existence for a few eps,
and Janette could conceivably come back to the Raven.
(As Cousin Lisa suggested)
> I like the idea that LaCroix let Nick think Nat was dead when she
> wasn't and that perhaps this makes both Nick and Nat angry with him.
> Yes, I know Nick should have realized she wasn't dead, but he missed
> the fact that Janette was mortal in HF.
I assumed this was TPTB's plan should a future pop up for FK. (Hence
the beating of Nat's "on the brink" heart.) It is a brickable plan.
About writing styles and formatting:
Leslie GS said;
>Would the episodes be presented as scripts? As third person narratives with
>careful descriptions of facial expressions and voice tones, but avoiding
>going into what the character is actually _thinking_?
I have never seen a script, and I assume I'm not alone, like how
would we suggest direction such as "Use Ger-cam" or "make the
other vampire in the room strumming noise." or "He gives Nick
THE LOOK" we'd need a glossary. And we'd need captioning for
the language impaired. (Like me) <wg> Reading scripted stories
could get really wierd.
Some writers could work together. Sure there are plenty of people who are
wwwrrriiiitttterrrrs and can write an episode in the bath, but I like the
idea that one person has already volunteered her history knowledge for
flashback collaboration. (Sara Orel) The Committee can suggest this to
people rather than rejecting thier efforts outright. (A list of willing
participants could be kept.)
Apache said:
>> I actually enjoy the chaos of FK being all over the place; if it
>>were smooth and linear on issues like Nick and Nat's and Janette's and
>>Lacroix's relationships, it wouldn't be nearly so much fun.
I adamantly agree with this. And what Leslie GS said on the same subject.
N.D.N.E.D. and maybe nobody defines Nick and Nat's relationship either.
There's already a place or two for that.
Apache went on to say:
>> Not to mention will anyone be editing these things for those
>>little bugaboos of fanfic, spelling, syntax, grammar and misuse of
>>words?
While this is all being planned, perhaps a group of
alternating Beta readers could also be formed. Providing a sort of
loop with an "Oh yeah, I can do it this week, kinda attitude" that
doesn't leave any writer waiting forever for proofing. This could
also provide a sort of continuity. Syntax certainly sounds like a
word I'd enjoy misusing.... <eg>
Brutal Cousin Karies
SoulDebris@a.......
"Every decision you make is a mistake" Edward Dahlberg
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:18:02 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season/Spoilers LK
Donna and John:
>3) Take up where Last Knight left off with the following suggestions.
>Nick went back to the hospital after he talked to LaCroix and brought
>Tracy across. In the final scene, Nick is mortal,
Only until LaCroix says, "Nicholas, we must do lunch." CHOMP! SLURP!
Brutal Cousin Karies
SoulDebris@a.......
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:49:53 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation
On Wed, 29 May 1996, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
> I understand that an investigation will be necessary. What doesn't make
> sense to me is why Reese seems to think IA is going to come down so hard on
> Nick for this particular perp fatality....
Perhaps the fact that Nick slammed him against the wall to kill him has
something to do with it?
Nah.
Cynthia
choff@v.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 01:34:26 -0400
From: esalmas <esalmas@g.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual season
Cousin Lisa says ---
> the real show contradicted itself all the time in the details.
>Half the fun, for me, was trying to reconcile the differences.
Absolutely -- a great deal of fanfic in based on every TV series or movie is
to "make better" the continuity that's been screwed up by TPTB. I have no
problem with the Virtual Season having some glitches -- but I'll wager there
will be fewer than on the aired episodes.
I also think this is a terrific idea. Kudos to the people involved.
Eileen Salmas
esalmas@g.......
"The truth is out there. It's just not in my jurisdiction."
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 01:34:47 -0400
From: esalmas <esalmas@g.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual season -- writing style?
At 07:48 PM 5/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......> said:
>The virtual season, because it will be written rather than filmed, will
>need to rely on the descriptive power of the writers to set the scene. A
>script format just won't cut the mustard, in my view.
>
I agree -- not to mention that a script, by it's very nature, takes up
more space. We need to think about the list members who are paying to
retrieve material from the list.
We relied very heavily on the body language (*pant* -- sorry) and facial
expressions of the actors to convey so much. You can't get that from a
script unless you're going to bog the readers down with lots of
descriptives. Mood, action, emotion need to be conveyed in the written
format in a reasonably concise way. Scripts are more cumbersome.
Eileen Salmas
esalmas@g.......
"The truth is out there. It's just not in my jurisdiction."
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 01:37:10 -0400
From: Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER--LK
Cassie Carter asked
>Exactly what "darkness would Nick be condemning Nat to <snip>
I think that Nick was being literal for a change. A vampire is a
creature of the night, unable to endure the sun, etc., etc. Therefore, a
creature of darkness.
Since Nat works the night shift anyway, it may not make much of a
difference, but there is a heavy symbolism of Sun=Life; therefore Night=Death
and Undead=Darkness.
Anyway, that's what *I* think he meant.
-- Ray
Nat Vamp Camp
Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the Knight!
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 01:37:12 -0400
From: Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: Last Knight
Cousin Lisa made the point that a continuation of Fk does not have to be in
another city.
However, I think that it does. LaCroix has stated in his usual tone of
finality that it is time to move on. He has packed his bags, the
Nightcrawler has signed off the air, and he has "turned out the lights and
locked the door" of the Raven.
LC has made up his mind, he is leaving. As a Cousin, you should know
that when Uncle makes up his mind, he doesn't change it. Unless you want FK
without LC, everyone has to move on.
On a related topic. would they continue at their present jobs? Dr.
Natalie Lambert would have no trouble getting another ME position, Det.
Nicholas Knight shouldn't have too much trouble getting a police department
to hire him. Even the Nightcrawler should be able to get a late-night job in
most markets (probably not NY or LA, but even there, he could probably whammy
himself into a job). The main question is where?
My non-answer is this: LaCroix almost certainly knows where Janette has
gone to. I suspect that he was heading after her even before he gave Nick
his ultimatum. If Deb Duchene is willing to do the movie/4th season, there's
no reason why Janette can't rejoin our happy vampire family. Perhaps she's
even opened a bar like the Raven wherever she is. [I just had a horrendous
thought about a certain bar in San Francisco whose name sounds like "Raven" -
gahhh!]
-- Ray
Nat Vamp Camp
Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the Knight!
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 05:40:29 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Spoiler: LK - virtual season
Ray wrote:
> However, I think that it does. LaCroix has stated in his usual tone of
>finality that it is time to move on. He has packed his bags, the
>Nightcrawler has signed off the air, and he has "turned out the lights and
>locked the door" of the Raven.
There are too many problems with moving FK to another city. We all can
envision what Toronto looks like, because we've seen it in 70 episodes. How
are we going to come to a consensus about where to put the Virtual FK? I
can't picture downtown Houston better than I can picture Toronto, and I
*live* in Houston! ;)
> LC has made up his mind, he is leaving. As a Cousin, you should know
>that when Uncle makes up his mind, he doesn't change it. Unless you want FK
>without LC, everyone has to move on.
Yes, but we're "writers first, factioners second". This means we will have
to bend LC to *our* will, rather than the other way around. ;)
> On a related topic. would they continue at their present jobs?
This is the way I look at it: If there were going to be a fourth and fifth
and even sixth *real* season of FK, I truly believe it would have continued
exactly on the same course. Nick trying to become mortal, Natalie trying to
help him, LC trying to stop him on occasion. If FK had continued on in
so-called real life, I believe, logically, that everyone would be doing
exactly what they'd been doing up until LK.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"We have a very special relationship." - LC to NK, NiQ
Wickedness Site! http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html
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