File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 48 TOPICS: Last Knight Hey, you! LIST RULES SPOILERS: AtA and LK "Cuts" and "Intent" Spoiler: Last Knight affiliations Spoiler: Last Knight SPOILERS: Last Knight (also AtA) - Think a moment .... SPOILERS: Last Knight (ep 22) LaCroix Last Knight Help SPOILERS: Last Knight (ep 22) LaCroix READ THIS FIRST SPOILER: Last Knight (Natalie's Top Ten) The LC angles (LK spoilers) -- HA! Spoiler: LK SPOILER: LK, Downloading Nick's Brain SPOILER:Last Knight Spoilers:LK,AtA; LaCroix LK Spoiler-What about... (LK Spoilers...sort of) Love Making Rules for Vampires/Mortals SPOILER: LK -- What about Sydney? (2) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:25:12 -0500 From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......> Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight Thank you to everyone who said to go back and look at the timing of the monologue. Thank you to everyone who said the monologue might be being seen from the POV of someone lying on the floor. Thank you to everyone for just being here. I watched the parts with the monologue and the ending again. Nick is not dead. What happens to Natalie is an open question, so as far as I am concerned, she is not dead. We hear the monologue all through the episode. It isn't taking place in real time. The first section, which we hear during the opening scene, begins with "Life is a gift...." and goes on to "And is your faith really that strong?" Then there's a pause in the dialog, then the first section continues with, "I understand the need to move on," and continues through, "But consider what you have in your hands before you give it up. Don't trade a treasure for an empty box." That's the end of the opening scene. When we hear the same dialog near the end of the episode in real time, it begins at the same point it began in the opening scene, and only goes as far as, "And is your faith really that strong?" After that, Nick gives LaCroix the stake and implies that he wants LaCroix to kill him, LaCroix says "Damn you, Nicholas!," and raises the stake. Thus, in real time, everything else in the monologue must occur after LaCroix raises the stake. There are several clues that Nick is not dead, but I won't go into all of them. One of them is that in one section of the monologue, LaCroix says, "Haven't you tired of this incessant guilt? ... And it must stop. This and all else that has happened here tonight should make that clear to you." This statement implies continuation. It's not the sort of thing that would be said to somebody dying; it's the sort of thing that would be said to somebody that is going to go on. When I first saw the episode, I thought that LaCroix had actually done what Nick asked him to. If that were true, it would mean that LaCroix, in some sense at least, would be accepting this idea of walking happily off into Heaven. Everything else he had said about life wouldn't matter. There would only be one voice heard in this episode. And that bothered me terribly. I like Forever Knight to ask questions, not necessarily to answer them, and certainly not to give the sort of answer I originally thought it was giving in this episode. But LaCroix did not kill Nick, and so LaCroix does become the other voice in this episode. Forever Knight did remain true to itself, after all, and I am relieved. It does appear that the monologue is being scene from the POV of someone on the floor. If Natalie is semiconscious, she may sense where LaCroix' voice is coming from, and be seeing him in her mind. She also might be catching slight real glimpses of him, if her eyes are not really completely closed. If she is hearing what he is saying so clearly, she may not be as close to death as Nick thinks. It's impossible to tell what happens to Natalie. She may die, she may be brought across, or she may revive. Since she didn't necessariy have to die in this episode, as far as I am concerned, she is alive. And if they make a 2-hour movie, and imply that Natalie died, then I am just going to say that that movie does not exist, and the real Forever Knight is the three seasons that have already been shown. And if one of TPTB says that Natalie did die, I am just going to say that that PTB does not exist. Margie (treeleaf@i.......) N&NPacker The Unnamed Faction ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:13:21 -0400 From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......> Subject: Hey, you! LIST RULES Hey, you! Listmember! 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First, acknowledgment of idea that, for a long time now (up until recent events, at least), Nick has regarded LC as his own personal devil, hounding him to give in, etc. No surprise there, of course. Second (and this is a bit farther out there), he's making a biblical/literary reference to the part he's playing in their little drama at that very moment. Nick is proclaiming his "faith," and LC is "tempting" him to lose it. That *is* the Devil's role. I think he's just making the observation that "hey, I've cast myself as Lucifer in this little dialogue, haven't I?" Now, where are the horns and red spandex when you need them? <g> Amy detailed the flashbacks during Nick's (Lame Excuse for) lovemaking: >7. being vamped out, first season present from Dark Knight (part II, I think). >9. restrained on table, from "The Fix" flashback? Or LNMTA LNMTA, the "electro-shock" therapy bit. >10. being stabbed, second-season flashback Blood Money More of Amy's trivia: >4. Nat tells Nick he's considered suicide himself, but isn't >that selective memory? I'm told Nick said he'd never die by his >own hand. He did say that, at the *end* of Last Act. But he was toying with the idea earlier. My own personal take on this ep, even though you didn't ask.... First, the most important stuff. 1) everyone's hair looked good. 2) LC's eyebrows looked good. Now, on to more trivial matters... ;-) "Tragedy. [...] It is not a word that I *like*." <Sigh.> I *liked* the camera swings in the morgue! I loved Nick & Nat's discussion of faith - very moving. Nick's expression when she told him he was the most mortal man she'd ever known. Whew! I also like the ambiguity. It keeps everyone abuzz! So many varied yet justifiable positions, most of them rational! Just for the record, my thoughts on the situation (possibly unsubstantiated, but there nevertheless): -LC won't kill Nick (he may stake him, but not fatally). -Nat's still alive (those shots of LC & Nick are her POV), and she's probably still human. I keep getting a Pythonesque image when thinking about this. "She's dead." "I'm not quite dead!" "But you're dying." "I think I'm getting better...." -Nick is possibly becoming mortal - I'm about 50/50 on this. (He took her blood + he thinks she died -> the HF cure! Eh, it could happen. Ok, he *is* cured, unless we get a movie.) So there you go. Hey, instead of (or in addition to) MBDtK, can we use N.D.N.E.D. as a sig thing? ----------------------------------------- kak6@p....... The lake is 51 degrees! Let's go skiing! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:03:04 -0400 From: Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......> Subject: Re: Spoiler: Last Knight affiliations On Mon, 20 May 1996, TippiNB wrote: > Add another fraction, to which I have belonged for months: LC brought Nat > across, didn't stake Nick, and now the three of them are touring the world > together looking for good black suits. Welcome to the menage! But what about Janette? Wouldn't the emotional trauma Nick was going through (let alone getting staked permanently or not, or becoming mortal or not) have brought her running - or flying as the case might be. I cannot see her being indifferent to what Nick was feeling no matter how she might feel about him bringing her across. LaCroix was stuck in the loft with some permutation of bodies, vampires and mortals for the day. The following evening could be another traumatic one if Janette shows up, no matter what the scenario. Nancy fralic@m....... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:27:09 -0700 From: Jennise Hall <jennise@t.......> Subject: Spoiler: Last Knight Hi all! Back from my fantastic weekend in LA and meeting with a CBS executive who just happened to have worked on Forever Knight when it was at CBS. (WOW!) But I'll go into that more under another subject line. Jinkies, I just noticed a CC to fkspoiler. I believe this account is no-mail so I shouldn't bounce. Also, I haven't read everyone elses posts yet so forgive any duplications or the fact that you'll probably see many replies from me as the day goes on. So my Last Knight post! Well, basically, I've been quite pragmatic about the whole cancellation. That's the way it goes. I accepted it a long time ago and was done with it. I did staunchly avoid the spoilers. Completely. And I honestly thought throughout the ep that they were gonna pull the dream thing. I enjoyed the ep (for the most part) but did note some problems. The only thing that got an emotional rise out of me. Tracy dying. I didn't expect it and was shocked by it. I've been a Tracy fan from the begining. And I think Tracy had the best death scene of the season (and there have been quite a few). "You could have trusted me." Wow! Karin and I rewatched it last night. And I realized that Tracy has done exactlly what she was supposed to do. She's been learning from her more experienced partner. The stupid move of sneaking off without telling anyone....Hey, htis is a Nick move. She's always approached her work recklessly; just like her partner. Unfortunately, the one piece of info that she didn't have was that her partner could afford to be reckless....he lives through bullet wounds. I don't know if I should explain my ability to have the kind of major problems with an ep of FK and still enjoy it. (It's also part of the reason that I give the show a simple pass/fail scoring system.) I honestly don't think the show is terrifically written. The number of mostly solid eps is really low (IMHO). So I have always approached it in a 'lets just enjoy it' attitude. If I scream at the screen or get angry - which Karin has witnessed on a *very* few occasions - then the ep gets a fail. So basically, I enjoyed the ep yet found some serious character problems. Particularly with Natalie. I didn't buy her motivation for asking Nick to bring her across for one second. Natalie has always been the type of character that would get angry with a friend who commited suicide. She would *not* consider herself to be on that road. "There but for the grace..." maybe but not that's gonna be me if I don't do something. Then with Nick... his winging and guilt after Tracy got shot fine; his considering bringing her across...fine...she was dying and he knew it. I do not under any circumstances by his taking the chance with Nat. No way. Uh huh. Nada! This next may be more with the Ger's direction than anything else but it stopped me cold when I was watching. (Mind you this was 1 am in LA and I was exhausted...) That being the biting scene. There are two occasions where a vampire bites...eating and sex. (Yes, I know this is FK and the word canon doesn't exist, but I've never seen any other occasion of biting.) The whole point of this scene was that Nat and Nick would have sex and see if the act could make him mortal. WELL, WHEN THE HELL DID THEY HAVE SEX!! That was just down right damn wrong. Nick fed off her. He wasn't even trying. I would have been able to believe the "I couldn't stop myself" excuse if Nick had been in the throes of passion when he drained her but he wasn't. (And come on guys....don't you think Natalie deserved at least that much?) One other thing I had a problem with was Nick's complete depression when Tracy died. (my only true regret) I know he'd be upset but it was like his character took a great leap back in time. He has changed over the course of the show. Grown and grown closer to his humanity (I think that's part of why he was able to be so magnamious to LaCroix in Ashes to Ashes). I think he understands more and I think he's backed off of some of his need to make himself completely guilty for everything that happens in the world. All right if he was trying to make himself guilty but I think the Nick of the last 20 episodes would have seen the truth in Reese's words; that it wasn't his fault and gotten over it. I loved the ambiguity of the final scene. They left themselves the opening for an (ack) resurrection. :-) Also, Judith asked me if I thougt the bullets that hit Tracy went through Nick. After watching again, I still say no. There were a few shots fired after Nick grabbed the shooter. His arm was free of Nick. And it looked like Tracy didn't get hit til after Nick started playing witht he rag doll. But hey, Tracy stepped out in the open after Nick had she situation under control. She knew the guy was very unstable and she should have, at the very least waited til Nick had the gun and preferably waited for him to get the cuffs on the guy. So in short the only thing that angered me was the fact that Natalie didn't get her some before she "died" (the implication is that she definately _not_ too far gone for *something* to be done and Nick's decision is to *let* her die.). Other than that....No, I don't feel betrayed or angry. I thought it was a fitting way to end the show. (Although, my personal preference would be for Nick to realize a few things about how far he's come. I didn't vote for him to become mortal. My vote is that he accept a few things about himself; become okay with who and what he is. In my mind that doesn't mean he has to give up his quest tho.) So that's mine. On to reading other posts. And I'll probably post a restrspective post (like Karin's) in a bit. -- Jennise ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:16:41 -0500 From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......> Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Last Knight (also AtA) - Think a moment .... Ray wrote: >It's tragic that Tracy's last act as a police officer should have been a >mistake. Nick was negotiating with a perp unarmed. Tracy steps into the >perp's line of sight and points a weapon at him. Dawkins' reaction is >obvious and predictable, and should have gotten them both killed. I have to rise to Tracy's defense here. Somebody mentioned that the locker room looked red until the shooting, at which point it looked blue. There was a reason for that! Remember the perp did something evil to the fuse box and killed all the lights? Well, the reddish light was supposed to convey to us that the lights in the locker room were *out*. Presumably, the place was cast in heavy shadow (if not outright darkness). Tracy, knowing the lay of the place, is creeping up on the perp, who is stumbling along in the dark. Nick, of course, has no trouble seeing in the dark and finds the perp without difficulty. He's working on hypnotizing the perp and is about to succeed. Tracy, knowing the perp is armed, steps into the shadow behind Nick with weapon raised to shoot if the perp suddenly points the gun at Nick. The perp can't see her, and she's covering her partner, like she's supposed to. Now, all of a sudden, the lights come back on, startling everybody. The room is cast in blue, bright light. The perp can now see Tracy clearly, panics, and fires before she can react. And yes, she looks surprised because the bullet went straight through Nick, then through her abdomen and liver, off the wall behind her, and into her skull. You'd look surprised, too, if you suddenly began hemorrhaging into your brain stem. Why the heck do you think she doesn't shoot back? I really felt for Tracy in this ep. Here she is, absolutely miserable over the death of Vachon and unable to tell anyone, anywhere why (it's clear to me that LC hadn't gotten to her yet). She's so unhappy she's feeling sick to her stomach. Yet, when the emergency arises, she takes out her gun with quiet professionalism and goes to work with the most focused look I've ever seen on her face. Way to go, Lisa! The fault for her death isn't hers. It isn't Nick's. It's Reece's, for allowing an hysterical convict to be in the precint unfettered and for allowing the lights to be cut back on without knowing exactly what was taking place in the locker room. When you're a cop, you use the environment to advantage. Changing that environment quickly and without warning puts your people in mortal danger. Oh, well, soapbox off. Back to work. And yes, I'm still mad about this whole LK shenanigans (what? you can tell?) <g>. Stephanie B., Vaquera now and always ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:28:31 -0500 From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......> Subject: SPOILERS: Last Knight (ep 22) LaCroix I was in the middle of writing a private message to someone when I realized that what I was writing might be of interest to the list, to wit: What is strange to me is that people accepted all the "insight" into LC's character (with the drastic change in how he's viewed) in AtA, but yet no one seems to think that LC learned nothing about himself that would allow him to understand Nick's pain enough to let him go by killing him. No one seems to consider any possibility that what happened with Divia in AtA had its own emotional effect on LC so that *his* judgment might have been "off" for emotional reasons. LC was packing and getting ready to leave Toronto. Was it because he didn't want to be reminded of Divia's death? In short, was he running away from his own pain? --Sandra Gray, forever Knightie --tmp_harkins@d....... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:27:43 -0500 From: Lisa Acton <lacton@c.......> Subject: Last Knight Help I'm looking for someone who recorded Last Knight. My cable went out that day so I never got to see it. Does anyone have any of the final 4 eposides on tape or know where I can get them. Thanks, -Lisa Lacton@m....... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:35:24 -0500 From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......> Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Last Knight (ep 22) LaCroix READ THIS FIRST I realized after I had posted my post, "SPOILERS: Last Knight (ep 22) LaCroix" that I had referenced Ashes to Ashes in it without mentioning there were spoilers for AtA in the subject line. Sorry about that. If you haven't seen AtA and don't want to read spoilers about it, don't read the post with the above named title. --Sandra Gray, forever Knightie --tmp_harkins@d....... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:22:39 -0500 From: John & Donna Spert <jjs@i.......> Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight (Natalie's Top Ten) By request, here's Nat's chance at a Last Knight Top Ten: John Ten Things Natalie might think after Nick was done: 10) Did anyone get the license number of that truck? 9) Eww, gross. His breath smells like a dead cow. 8) Maybe that chemical cure wasn't so bad after all. 7) Damn it, Nick. I'm a doctor, not a fast food joint. 6) I never suspected Nick suffered from premature exsanguination. 5) So Nick, was it good for you? 4) Roger Jameson... Nick Knight... Boyfriends to die for. 3) No more boyfriends. I'm gonna buy me a dog. 2) Hand me that stake, LaCroix. I've got dibs. And the number one thing Nat might think after Nick was done: 1) Why am I so *hungry* all of a sudden? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:29:39 -0500 From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......> Subject: Re: The LC angles (LK spoilers) -- HA! Laura Petix wrote: >He wouldn't. The theory only makes sense if you believe that >LaCroix did *not* go through with staking Nick, and that he is talking >him down. The dialogue makes perfect sense that way. Not only that, >but, in my opinion, anything else would be out of character for LaCroix. I agree wholeheartedly with you there. I mean, there's inconsistency then there's full out 180 degree one-day-I'm-wicked-the-next-day-I'm-the-easter-bunny kind of stuff. ;) Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng! *Charter Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix* "TV shows, like vampires, have a way of coming back from the dead." "I'm not in denial. I'm in a state of creative readjustment!" http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:45:52 -0400 From: Amy Volpert <avolpert@a.......> Subject: Spoiler: LK I favor the scenario that LaCroix temporarily disabled Nick and brought Natalie across. LaCroix obviously doesn't approve of suicide and his misguided, destructive love for Nick won't let him part with his son. Bringing Nat across would give Nick an irrefutable reason to continue living, even as a vampire. LaCroix would rather indulge Nick's love for Nat and his search for redemption than lose him forever. It would be the ultimate controlling, dominating, grasping act, forcing Nick to live the life he can no longer bear. Amy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:57:43 -0500 From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......> Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK, Downloading Nick's Brain >....the loop is imperfect. ....note a few of the many differences: >"a ripe peach" vs "the freshest peach"; "unless, of course, you have >faith" vs "or do you have faith"; "where you stand" vs "where you are" >"the rising sun" vs "the morning sun"; <one more, I'm out of room> I don't think the slight differences matter. One was what Natalie heard while semiconscious; one was what Nick heard. In her state, Natalie could have heard things slightly different from the way they really were. Margie (treeleaf@i.......) N&NPacker The Unnamed Faction ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:06:44 -0500 From: Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......> Subject: SPOILER:Last Knight Since we are talking about symbolism and I have not seen this mentioned,yet. In the morgue scene, Nick and Nat are saying some pretty intimate, personal things to each other. It hits me as strange that they stood with death between them the whole time. Neither crossed over to the other's side, nor could they. I have never witnessed a scene in all of Forever Knight where the characters didn't change their location in relation to the others and change frequently. I've seen it 7 times now and counting. Still can't get through it without breaking up at the end. Robbi Knightie Long Live the Knight egersdor@m....... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:00:15 -0400 From: Diane Shea <KerrRaven@a.......> Subject: Spoilers:LK,AtA; LaCroix Spoilers for AtA and LK... Sorry everyone if there's a lot more that has been said on this previously. My modem has finally allowed me to sign on again so all that has come before this, I haven't read yet...anyway, Sandra wrote; >>...no one seems to think that LC learned nothing about himself that would allow him to understand Nick's pain enough to let him go by killing him.<< I'm one of those that happens to think this actually. Now, is the question that has been disputed one of "How could LaCroix possibly kill Nick now, after all this time?!" I believe it is quite possible that he could. Simply because of this new dimension that has been revealed in his character. It would be the last thing he'd want to do, but he has faced his own pain recently, he has seen Nick offer him support during this pain, and he (being the recently made decent guy that he is) would not deny Nick's heartfelt request. Especially not after "You're my closest friend." >>LC was packing and getting ready to leave Toronto. Was it because he didn't want to be reminded of Divia's death? In short, was he running away from his own pain?<< My answer; Yes. If we are to understand that LK and AtA happened shortly after one another, then that is a very reasonable explanation. Divia returning seeking revenge and LaCroix finally explaining to Nick an important part of his life, and the pain he has lived with for centuries, is probably one of the most traumatic things this ancient vampire has had to go through in a long time. He wouldn't want to think about it any more than he has to. When vampires are disturbed by something, they leave that something (or try to at least:) --Cousin Diane the positive cousin Eternal Seducer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:52:58 -0700 From: Bonnie F Rutledge <br1035@i.......> Subject: LK Spoiler-What about... If you haven't seen Last Knight yet, and don't want it spoiled-read no further.... It occurred to me that *if* Nat is *really* deceased, what will become of Sidney? Not only has he had to deal with bare cupboards, Mummy being away at nights and smelling of formaldyhyde and alcohol, but now he's been abandoned forever! Let us hope Sidney isn't consigned to the animal shelter ( but at least he'd be fed regularly )! ************************************************************************ Bonnie Rutledge br1035@i....... Quaffing LaCroix bottled water..."LaCroix, the essence of pure" Yes! The bottle REALLY says that <cackle>! ************************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:56:44 -0400 From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......> Subject: (LK Spoilers...sort of) Love Making Rules for Vampires/Mortals On the OMNI chat last night I started a RULES FOR MAKING LOVE TO VAMPIRES/MORTALS topic. Well, let's just say some of the suggestions were very interesting. ;) There are some vague references to LK, so to be safe, I'm putting it on the FKSPOILR list. It would seem some of my brain cells, the ones that deal with memory, fled during the night. I can only remember a few of them. Here are some of the ones I do remember, plus a few a just thought up. Some of the ones I remember belong to other people, but unfortunately I don't remember who said what, and I don't want to misquote anyone so you won't find them here. Though I will be misquoting myself seeing that I can't remember verbatim what I said!! Ain't growing old a b**ch! RULES FOR MAKING LOVE TO A VAMPIRE ------------------------------------------------------------------ #1. Make sure it isn't Nick! #2. If Rule #1 is ignored, make sure Lacroix is on hand to clean up the mess #3. If Rule #2 is followed, pray as fast and as hard as you can #3. DON'T PANIC! Increase in heartbeats will only make you look tastier #4. If you change your mind, keep bible handy...works better than a cold shower #5. THERE ARE NO RULES! RULES FOR MAKING LOVE TO A MORTAL ---------------------------------------------------------------- #1. There are more pleasant things to s**k on than the neck := (figures that would be the first one I can think of from last night ;) ) #2. Learn the difference between "foreplay" and "forearm" (Sheesh!) #3. Don't drink and fly (MADD - Mortals Against Drunken Dead) #4. Don't release thoughts of previous loves with your mouth full #5. THERE ARE NO RULES! Lisa P. (Please brain cells, come home to mama soon. I need you!) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:29:33 -0700 From: Amy R. <akr@n.......> Subject: SPOILER: LK -- What about Sydney? On Wed, 22 May 1996, Bonnie F Rutledge wrote: > It occurred to me that *if* Nat is *really* deceased, what will become > of Sidney? If Nat really is gone, there will be people (and cats) to mourn her, which someone should have reminded her of when she was talking about having an empty life. (Yes, Nick, hero-o-mine, I'm talking about you.) We haven't seen Grace in a loooong time, but does that mean she's gone? What about Nat's sister-in-law Sara and niece Amy? What about Myra and Jenny, for that matter? Nat's life isn't *all* in fanfic, is it? I vote that Sydney goes to Grace. And I finally think I've figured out why -- artistically -- we never got to see Schanke in any flashbacks in LK. Almost any moment with Skank would have completely undermined the premise of this blasted episode. IMHO. (I'm still having subscription trouble -- my apologies if this misposts.) **** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) **** "I could not risk condemning to the void one who so surely deserves a Heaven." -- LaCroix, by TippiNB ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:57:58 -0500 From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......> Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK -- What about Sydney? Amy wrote: >And I finally think I've figured out why -- artistically -- we never got >to see Schanke in any flashbacks in LK. Almost any moment with Skank >would have completely undermined the premise of this blasted episode. IMHO. Artistically, that sounds like a good reason to me. I mean, Nick isn't *that* big of a brick to not recall one of his best friends, is he? Nah. Even I -- I who think you could put windows in the boy and call him a brick house -- don't think he's that bad. I wonder if there were legal or technical reasons? Contractual glitches? Like why didn't they show any Janette flashbacks frm 1st and 2nd seasons? Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng! *Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix* "TV shows, like vampires, have a way of coming back from the dead." "I'm not in denial. I'm in a state of creative readjustment!" http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html =========================================================================
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