FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 38
May 19, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 38
TOPICS:
Spoilers: Last Knightmare and Promo
SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT-- WATCH THOSE SUBJECT LINES!
Spoiler: Last Knight
LAST KNIGHT...or maybe not... (2)
Spoiler LK: misogyny
SPOILERS: LAST KNIGHT Rationalizations! Get your red-hot rationalizations here! :> (2)
Spoiler: Last Knight (2)
LAST KNIGHT
Spoiler LK: Comments
SPOILER: Last Knight--challenge! (2)
SPOILER: Last Knight/Fallen Idol
Spoilers LK
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:54:57 -0500
From: Laura Ruggiero <larug@s.......>
Subject: Spoilers: Last Knightmare and Promo
I will not see Last Knight until tonight at midnight but I have to share this.
I have tried to remain unspoiled for this last ep, in fact the last
spoilers I read for it was when all the early speculation occurred. Then
last night/this morning at 12:30 am I saw my first promo/commericial for
this ep, 23.5 hours before the ep airs.
I saw Tracy, sinking down a wall leaving a smear of blood, Tracy in
intensive care, Nat asking Nick to make love to her, Nat on the floor with
Nick saying he couldn't control himself. ARRRGGGH!
Then, to add to my "fun" waiting for this ep; I had a very realistic dream
last night.
I am at my computer working, with the TV pulled up near by, when I realize
that it is almost time for FK to start. And, OH NO, the tape isn't set in
the right spot.
I quickly try to set the tape to the right spot, and just get there (I love
having a VCR with a "real time" counter) as the ep starts. I hit the
record button, and begin to watch.
The teaser opens on Nick and LaCroix siting in a sound stage with 2 women.
They are appearently on a talk show. I do not know if there is a live
audience. Suddenly, Nick vamps out and attacks one of the women, LaCroix
kills the other woman. Then Nick gets a angsty and LaCroix makes some
scathing remark I can't remember. As they fade out to the opening credits,
I am screaming at my TV that they can't do this.
Then I woke up. It took awhile to get back to sleep.
I hope the ep isn't as bad as either the promo or my dream make it.
Laura Ruggiero (larug@s.......)
Die-Hard and Methos FW
I had a normal childhood, but I overcame it.
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:56:36 -0400
From: Marjorie Hammet <Mgleaf@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT-- WATCH THOSE SUBJECT LINES!
In a message dated 96-05-19 08:32:20 EDT, you write:
>DON'T PUT SPOILERS IN YOUR SUBJECT LINE,
I know. I'm sorry. I sent a reply to a post that had a spoiler in the subject
line and didn't even think to look to change it. I know being sorry doesn't
help after the damage is already done, but I am really, really sorry.
Margie (mgleaf@a.......)
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:45:32 -0400
From: Lillian Feden <feden@m.......>
Subject: Spoiler: Last Knight
Just some quick comments, I still have to digest what I saw last night.
Cynthia had said that she didn't catch Nick's declaration of love, spoken or
implied, to Natalie. I believe Nick DID express his love for Nat at the
end, before he killed her (accidently). He said he would never leave her,
he would be with her wherever, forever. He never said the "L" word. My Mom
never uses the L word, and when pressed will say she says it's too easy to
say the word and not mean it. Yet I have no doubt my mom loves me, but
sometimes you just gotta hear it, you know?
I do NOT believe Nick went back and drained Nat completely. I was watching
with a friend who's not on the list and who has no access to spoilers,
except through me. We both think he just kissed her, and let her die, not
necessarily nice or very responsible, but not exactly going back to murder
her as some had said. I haven't read too many of the other spoilers, so I
may have missed it if other people remarked on this. Sorry. Nat's head
position is exactly the same, he kisses her cheek, her neck on that side is
unmarked. Wishful thinking? We (my friend and I) don't think so. Did the
script call for that? Was it filmed that way? Was it edited out?
I do NOT want to believe that Lacroix staked Nick. But I guess that's up to
Tri-Star and Sony.
I wonder how Lisa Ryder felt in that final scene where they put the sheet
over her face and wheeled her out. I was sad. I was sorry to see her die.
I wasn't crazy about her, but I didn't want to see her dead, and I was
starting to like her, just a little.
Glad they included Janette in the flashback. It was nice that they
acknowledged her existence, and Schanke's. But boy, this really did look
like a farewell episode, didn't it. I mean, it was so FINAL.
Re: Directing:
Okay, I love alot of Ger's direction, but that cutting back and forth thing
between Nick and Nat at the morgue was sort of distracting.
Performances:
Wonderful, from everybody, right down to the crazed gunman.
Ooops, this wasn't so quick after all, was it?
Extremely off-topic: I'm a little sensitive right now and took it personally
when I couldn't sign onto newsgroups and got the error message "Connection
Refused". What? Why? What did I do? NOBODY likes me... WAHHHH. I think
I'll go watch something like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit".
Lillian
feden@m....... http://www.mcs.com/~feden
Pragmatic Knightie; IB; MBDtK; PGEB (hormones took over)
Fourth L on the right, contemplating the existence of intelligent
life in the broadcast executive offices
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 13:13:40 -0400
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: LAST KNIGHT...or maybe not...
I know I'm in the minority, but I really liked it. It brought up some great
issues-faith, life after death, love, and how it all relates to being a
*vampire*. I need to watch it again but here are my initial observations.
It made sense to me to end the series this way. LC was right about several
things:
1. They had come full circle. It was time to move on. It's a vampire
thing.
2. Nick really was past the point of doing any good there, and was just
dragging his friends down with him in his quest.
3. For a vampire, truly loving someone means letting them go
I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Nick *is* a vampire. Yes, he
*wants* to be mortal, but he is still a vampire, and if he dosen't play by
vampire rules, all hell will break loose. Which is exactly what happpened.
He should have listened to dad.
I love the part where LC asks Nick to choose between eternal pain and eternal
regret. (What a choice...can I pick door #3??)
I think this episode shows us a lot about the nature of vampires and how they
*must* live, and the consequences of ignoring that.
I have a small problem with the Nick/Nat scenario. I believe she has truly
loved him all these years, but I was never convinced he was in love with her,
therefore, to me, this ending seemd a bit ridiculous. I can see Nick dying
for Janette but not Nat. They should have developed the relationship a bit
more over the past 3 seasons. That part just didn't move me.
The part that *did* move me was the conversation between LC and Nick, as Nat
lay dying, about faith and about their relationship-("and so in your eyes, I
am the devil...") I'll go into this more in my LC post. There was so much
great LC stuff in this ep. I didn't think anything would top AtoA, but this
did.
So the question remains..did he stake him? I really don't think so. He
probably whacked him upside the head, and brought Nat across. (fanfic
anyone?) Sure, Nick will be royally ticked when he wakes up, but 100 years
from now he'll probably thank LC. This whole scene was so typical of a
cliffhanger, and left so ambiguous, I can't see how anyone would get upset
over it. After reading all the spoilers, I thought it would be horrible. It
wasn't. I sincerely doubt we have seen the last of FK.
Did it seem like a lot of this episode was dream-like? The echoing voices,
slo-mo, etc?
Oh yeah, and Tracy...I had forgotten about that part. No great loss IMO.
The acting in this ep. was the best I have ever seen. (with the exception of
one person who didn't even die convincingly well) Nigel and Ger both deserve
a Gemini for this one, especially for the last scene. CD was great as well,
but I think Nigel and Ger really pushed the envelope. Almost had me reaching
for the puffs...which is quite an accomplishment.
Ok, thats all for now. I'll have more to say about the LC/Nick thing later.
Cousin Michelle
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:13:59 -0700
From: Elizabeth Mosler <emosler@l.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler LK: misogyny
Fr: Catherine
>I just don't buy it. Nat has no life unless Nick becomes her lover? A
>woman's life is incomplete without a man?
>
>Oh, and, lest we forget . . . meeting the right guy was all it took to
>make Janette human again? That strong, in-control vampire we all knew and
>loved *really* just wanted to be a wife-and-mother?
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>Look, I'm not opposed to love and romance, I understand the great
>happiness that relationships can bring, and I think that a lover,
>a family *can* be a central and meaningful part of anyone's life.
Me:
Excellent observations. Although I wonder if Natalie meant that her life
was nothing without love in it? Not so much the "having a man" part, but
just the experience of love itself.
elizabeth m. <emosler@l.......>
Personal Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/rose.html
Work Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/binding.html.
*Jody to Perry the Vampire dog: "Good boy!" Woofpacker forever!*
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:15:47 -0700
From: Elizabeth Mosler <emosler@l.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILERS: LAST KNIGHT Rationalizations! Get your red-hot
rationalizations here! :>
>I'm with those who say that Tracy's death isn't final because we never saw
>her die. Some strange things have been known to occur in FK hospitals.
>
>N.P. Kraus
>npk1@c.......
Me:
Well, also we only have Nat's word that Tracy died. In the highly
emotinally charged fram of mind that Nat was in, she might have told this
to Nick to add fuel to her argument that if he could bring Tracy across,
why not her.
elizabeth m. <emosler@l.......>
Personal Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/rose.html
Work Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/binding.html.
*Jody to Perry the Vampire dog: "Good boy!" Woofpacker forever!*
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:10:51 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Spoiler: Last Knight
This one comes from Cynthia and Jane. Jane may be typing, but she's not
writing this one alone .. the thoughts belong to both of us.
Last Knight is a beautiful episode. We have watched it three times now,
and love it more each time. We will undoubtedly watch it many more
times. We are glad that FK ended with an episode of this quality. The
true tragedy would have been if FK had been ended with something like
Hearts of Darkness or Let No Man Tear Asunder.
We agree with Catherine Siemann that the set of assumptions that Natalie
has no life without Nick, which underly this episode, are misogynistic.
However, this is the set of assumptions that has underlaid Nat's
character since Dark Knight. They are a large part of the reason why
neither of us are big fans of Natalie.
Ger's directing was great with one single exception. That morgue scene
makes for a very queasy stomach. It doesn't get any better on future
viewings either.
Fred's music was wonderful. It didn't overwhelm the episode, nor was it
sentimental. It added a dimension to the episode instead.
The script and the acting were equally good. No matter how anyone feels
about the ending, you have to give Michael Sadowski and all of the actors
credit for pulling it off without histrionics and within the parameters
of each character. No-one dropped out of character in this episode.
Those tears were Ger's ... not Nick's. They probably didn't have enough
tape or money to re-shoot the scene.
Now for specifics.
Tracy: No Nick should NOT have trusted her. Witness how she was
killed: by walking directly into the line of fire when Nick almost had
the guy putting his gun down. I don't care if Nick is mortal or a
vampire. A GOOD cop does not move into the line of sight of someone that
another cop is talking down. In fact, no-one should interrupt anyone who
is trying to negotiate with anyone in that kind of situation.
Tracy is definitely 100% dead. They pulled the sheet over her head. To
quote an original cousin: Bye Button.
And, by the way, Nat was wrong to stop him. She constantly tells Nick
that he has no right to make decisions for other people. How dare she
make this kind of decision for Tracy. Oh, and as for "how can you do
this for Tracy and not for me", Tracy was DYING. Nat was still alive and
healthy. Figure it out!
Reese: for a captain, he is easily flummoxed. Oh, and why, in the
middle of a hostage situation in the precinct, is he (personally or by
someone else) having them phone Nick? Aren't there enough cops there
already? Oh, and even in Canada, cops check their guns at the door to
avoid exactly this kind of situation.
One sympathetic note for Reese: he never did get a glass of water out of
that cooler.
Natalie: can you say manipulative? We thought you could. Nick didn't
want to do it. He came up with a lot of good reasons why he shouldn't do
it. But Nat couldn't leave well enough alone. She pushed .. and pushed
.. and pushed him into it. She pushed all the right buttons because she
knew what they were. Nick needs to feel loved and trusted. She told him
she loved him and trusted him. Hell, she told him HE loved and trusted her
even when he was expressing his doubts about that very fact. As much as
we hate blaming the victim, in this case ...
Then there is the "sex" scene. If you can call it that. Janette became
mortal because she and Robert MADE LOVE. Nick fed. His idea of foreplay
was to kiss the inside of her wrist. No removing their clothes (not even
socks and shoes). No going up to the bedroom, or even to the couch in
the room where they were standing. No sweet nothings murmured in her
ear. He did better with Alexandra, the bimbo barmaid. Hell, he's done
better with Natalie in the past.
Natalie manipulated him into getting hot and bothered. He said he
wouldn't be able to stop. She said she wasn't afraid to die. Ergo...
Oh, and what was that 180 degree shift in her thinking. Where was the
Dark Knight flashback when she was telling Nick how much being a vampire
has enabled him to help other people? Wasn't it only four years ago that
she was telling him that capturing criminals and saving people with the
help of the vampire didn't count? And now, four short years later, he's
more than made up for 800 years of past misdeeds? So, how long would he
be trapped in purgatory while Nat went on to other lives? This kind of
puts a stake into the "I'll stay with you no matter what" idea. No
matter what kind of afterlife you believe in, or which version of
reincarnation you ascribe to, there are no guarantees that you will end
up in the same place at the same time. In fact, the opposite is more
likely to be true.
Nick was true to form. You can be angry at him for killing Natalie, but
he clearly stated more than once that he didn't want to do it. He was
trying to leave to save her life. This time he told her. He wasn't
going to leave without warning. She coerced him into doing what she wanted.
Be careful what you wish for...
Natalie is dead. When confronted by Lacroix, Nick clearly said that he
would not "condemn her" to a vampire existence. Lacroix then said "wise
decision". Lacroix is not going to bring her across either because he
agrees with Nick. By all means rescue her in fanfic, but in the show she
is history. They can't even use the excuse given for Lacroix at the
beginning of season two. That being that she is too old and powerful.
Lacroix: time to move on. That trunk has seen a lot of mileage. It
first came to North America with Nick inside in the 1920's. Then, Nick
used it again in Black Buddha, and now Lacroix has packed it with his
belongings. Did Nick give it to Lacroix for his birthday or something?
Aren't budget restraints a bitch?
Oh, and that bust, it was not the same one as in AMPH. First of all, it
had a nose, and there was no chunk missing from the head. Second of all,
it was wearing modern clothes, not a toga. Details, details. Picky,
ain't we?
Nigel walks away with the dialogue award for the night. It was
well-scripted and well-spoken.
Lacroix reiterated many of the thoughts that have passed through our
minds at one time or another during different episodes. It is
fascinating that Lacroix can have these kinds of conversations with Nick,
but not with anyone else. He frequently shows up at Nick's loft to
discuss life, liberty and the pursuit of vampire happiness.
Then again, he is Nick's closest friend. Clearly spoken. Unavoidably
the truth. To Nick, Lacroix is not the devil; he is Nick's closest friend.
Guess that shoots the "Lacroix is 100% evil in Nick's eyes" theory in the
foot. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Nick: It is impossible to talk about Nick's actions and speech
independent of any other character. Everything he did or said impacted
upon someone else. Interestingly enough, when Tracy was dying and his
mortal life in Toronto was crumbling about his ears, he went to Lacroix
not Natalie. In fact, he spent a large part of this episode trying to
escape Natalie.
Everything Nick did was completely in character. He is rarely able to
stop himself before draining his victims. We can only think of a couple
of occasions. Richard Lambert: but Natalie was there to stop him.
Serena: with whom he was having sex ... in a bed no less.
And last, but decidedly not least, he had absolutely no trouble stopping
and bringing Janette across at the end of Human Factor. Then again, he
wanted to bring Janette across.
If by any remote chance we are wrong and someone does either save Natalie
or bring her across in a believable manner, how is Nick going to explain
that last memory she received from his blood while he was feeding? You
know, the one of him and Janette in a clinch. Not to mention why he
decided to let Natalie die instead of bringing her across. Neither of us
would want to be Nick when Natalie wakes up.
Ambiguous endings can be the font of endless debate. However, in this
case, there is no conceivable way that Lacroix would stake his favourite
son. Especially not after Ashes to Ashes. We know how Lacroix feels
about killing his children.
We have considered two options. One: Lacroix throws the spear across
the room and then bitches at Nick because they're stuck in the loft for
the day with a dead body and only cow blood to drink ... unless Nick has
some human blood in the fridge. He has been backsliding after all.
Two: Lacroix stakes Nick somewhere non-lethal, pinning him to the
ground, and then bitches at Nick because they're stuck in the loft ....
You get the picture.
More later ... this one's more than long enough. But just for the
record: we really really liked this one.
Cynthia and Jane
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
Jane Credland/janes@i.......
Raven ** IB ** MBDtK
We cater to the occasional fetishist
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:24:14 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILERS: LAST KNIGHT Rationalizations! Get your red-hot
rationalizations here! :>
On Sun, 19 May 1996, Elizabeth Mosler wrote:
> Well, also we only have Nat's word that Tracy died. In the highly
> emotinally charged fram of mind that Nat was in, she might have told this
> to Nick to add fuel to her argument that if he could bring Tracy across,
> why not her.
Did some of you see a different episode to the one we saw? Or are you
subconsciously (or consciously) ignoring the scene in the hospital where
Tracy was laid out on a gurney, a nurse covered HER face (and it was
recognizably Tracy's face) with a sheet, and she was wheeled out.
We've watched it three times. Twice from the satellite feed and once on
air. That scene was there every time. It's only possible purpose was to
make absolutely sure that we knew that Tracy was dead.
Besides Tracy would make a lousy vampire.
Cynthia and Jane
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
Jane Credland/janes@i.......
Raven ** IB ** MBDtK
We cater to the occasional fetishist
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:23:49 -0400
From: esalmas <esalmas@g.......>
Subject: LAST KNIGHT
This is the first time I'm posting to this list so please forgive any gaffs.
SPOILER SPACE
So much to like, so much to hate in this episode. LaCroix's dialog was some
of the best I've heard and I liked the way it all comes full circle. I
wondered why he was delivering it from Nick's loft rather than CERK.
Rather than rehashing things I've read on the list -- some questions -- not
that I expect answers from anyone -- just that they bugged me.
Where in the hell was Tracy's family as she lay dying? I missed the
episode with her mom and dad but didn't get the impression from the spoilers
that either of them had died. So wouldn't they be there at the hospital?
The time line is too accelerated for all the action. Tracy couldn't have
been shot and had surgery in a time frame that would allow Nick to visit and
sit with her and it still be the same night -- not to mention his
conversation with Reese about losing a partner and then the entire scene
with Natalie and LaCroix. Am I missing something? Was it more than one night?
So much for foreplay. Natalie asked him to make love to her -- not go
right for the throat. He's shown more affection for people with whom he's
only had a passing acquaintance. Maybe it was just me being disappointed
that there wasn't a "love scene" since Nick sure can kiss and I wanted
*something* nice to remember. Could have used something that would have
brought on the desire for a cold shower rather than the need to mourn the
passing of lots of "good friends." Saturday nights just won't be the same
for me without FK to look forward too -- at least new episodes.
I need to digest this some more.
Eileen Salmas
esalmas@g.......
"The truth is out there. It's just not in my jurisdiction."
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:46:34 -0700
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler LK: Comments
On Sun, 19 May 1996, Diane Shea wrote:
> If you don't want to hear a *positive* review of this episode then bail out
> now. I don't know what everyone else's opinion of this one will be, but I'm
> expecting it will be predominantly negative. Since I don't see negativism at
Diane, we need some positive comments, too. As one who really, really,
really hated this episode (because of the story line, NOT anything about
directing or acting or anything of a technical nature) and was depressed
about it for days, I welcome some positive to counterbalance my negative
feelings. I hope, in a little while, that I can come to some kind of
balance and rationality in my views about it.
I'm not going to go through your post point-by-point, but there was one
thing you said that I really disagree with:
> Before, it was reasonable that he denied her. Her requests were made in
> moments of danger and emotion. But now he sees she is thinking rationally,
> and he would only be patronizing her if he brushed off her decision once
> again. He endangers her life at her request, and cannot be faulted for that.
Nat's request was NOT made rationally. Neither of them was anywhere NEAR
rational at this point! Nat's friend has just committed suicide, and
addressed the note to her (some friend, huh?). Saying, in effect, my life
is a wasteland and so is yours, honey, so you'd better do something about
it PDQ. I think Nat was depressed, and maybe a little suicidal herself.
Nick, too was in terrible pain with Tracy's death. Nope, neither one was
thinking at all clearly, IMHO.
What the two needed at this point was psychiatric intervention. I think
Lacroix was doing his best here, but because I don't believe that he
really understood the nature of Nick's attachment to Nat (or hers to him)
that he could have succeeded.
And, BTW, I agree totally about the Geminis. If Nigel, Ger, Cath and Jon
Cassar (who directed AtA) don't at least get nominations, I will be very
disappointed.
--Valery
kingv@u.......
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:01:37 +0000
From: Lisa Wolters <redjasper@e.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight--challenge!
Black humor follows...
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We inadvertently came up with a new game at Tami's last (k)night
in trying to find <the> Cheesy Rationalization that could bring
Natalie back to life. Someone (Jane?) suggested that since they
brought LaCroix back by simply stating that he was "too old and
powerful to kill," maybe they could do the same for Nat.
So this is my challenge--complete the following bit of dialogue for
"About Last Knight...", the fourth-season opener where Nat appears
back at work in the morgue, with no explanation. (Yes, I'm very
happy living here in Denial Land. Won't <you> be my neighbors?)
Natalie: "I'm simply too ______ and _______ to kill."
My offering: "I'm simply too overcaffeinated to kill."
(yeah, I know, it's only one adjective, but it's my game so I can
break the rules!)
Play nice!
Don't know about you guys, but <I> need the distraction!
Lisa W. * redjasper@e.......
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:03:16 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight/Fallen Idol
I want to thank Lisa-Marie in Beautiful East Providence for the LK wake. It
was fun to see that video we didn't see, and the Oatmeal commercial.
AAAACCCK! No wonder Nigel could deliver the "Let's get naked" line without
spewing his ribena. He is a bloody chameleon.
Okay, before I spend my entire afternoon and supply of coffee beans reading
all the spoilers for Last Knight that I have carefully avoided, so I could
ENJOY the show....
Hah! Pipe dream! I can't say I'm stunned, more like STUNG. Ouch.
Here's my take. First off, Nat, gal pal, this is the nineties. If you're
going to have sex bring protection. If you're going to have sex with a guy
one generation away from Mad Cows disease, BYO cattle prod. (Barbed wire
could be fun too.... And a bell.)
Secondly, Nat, didn't you read "Physical Therapy" by Ophelia? Sex with an
infected guy has to be thought out, or you're ... DEAD! Sheeesh!
Now, if LaCroix staked Nick, his blood would cascade over Nat, she'd Vamp
out, pull out the stake and voila. Nick brings her across without doing it
"intentionally". Perfect form for Nick.
My other rationalization is that LaCroix scewers Nick, packs him for the
trip, calls 911 for Nat who is "On the brink" which could mean anything,
really, coming from LaCroix. There ya go. Now, to get the claim ticket for
that luggage....
If a bit of Nickies blood could temporarily restore Joey's brain in FA, then
why wouldn't the same woman who thought of injecting Joey suggest a little
dose to Tracy?
Especially when the usually unwilling donor was quite willing? That baffled
me.
It was immaturity by TPTB, "Okay obsessed FK fans, you don't like our new
gal? You live with her destruction! There! Is that what you wanted?" Ah
... no. This type of situation should obey the same moral code as finding a
member of your staff has a substance abuse problem. Lisa gets a chance to
join a weekly crash program in acting, a support group for the fashion
challenged (What the #@%$ was that light blue turtle neck all about?) and a
one on one coach to work on Javier. Hav e air. Hav e air. Has he hair? I
digress.... The same diction-miester could have helped GWD with com-pos-it.
<Bostonian g> Tracy had some fine moments, as did Urs and Screed and that
other guy. I feel for all you guys who came on third season because of these
characters, you don't deserve to be trifled with so mercilessly. It's why
the rest of us were so bitchy all season, 'cept upside down and backwards
BTW: Amanda Rules. (She would have had a net thrown over Dawkins ASAP.)
Don't the bloody Canadian Cop-shops have tranquillizer guns? HEY! Where
were his $%# darn handcuffs? J. H. Chr$%&! First they all miss the fact
that the Commish doesn't like chocolates, and NOBODY calls to thank him and
catches a clue, then the strings Rockin' zombie glides into the interogation
room with a weapon, and now this. Sloppy cop shop Reese.
I gotta go call my little sister, ya never know when you could loose your
favorite far-too-easy-to-bait and tease-gun toting-cop loving-red blazer
wearing-Barbie doll-blonde.... TPTB in Real Life aint any less evil than
TPTB of FK, eh? Eeeew.... Massive spontanious morbid brain drain.
See you all in hell.
Gehirn Karies
SoulDebris@a.......
"Fortunately, there are exceptions." LaCroix, AtA.
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:16:08 -0400
From: Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight--challenge!
At 12:01 PM 5/19/96 +0000, you wrote:
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>Natalie: "I'm simply too ______ and _______ to kill."
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>My offering: "I'm simply too overcaffeinated to kill."
>(yeah, I know, it's only one adjective, but it's my game so I can
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My suggestion for Nat would be the obvious:
I'm too much in love to kill.
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:18:29 -0400
From: Melanie Moser <moser@c.......>
Subject: Re: LAST KNIGHT...or maybe not...
On Sun, 19 May 1996, Michelle Mark wrote:
> I know I'm in the minority, but I really liked it. It brought up some great
> issues-faith, life after death, love, and how it all relates to being a
> *vampire*. I need to watch it again but here are my initial observations.
> It made sense to me to end the series this way. LC was right about several
> things:
Welcome to the minority! Since I saw LK several nights ago, I was
beginning to think I was the only one that liked it. There's a growing
number of us. I think those of us that like it do for pretty much the
same reasons, those you mentioned.
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> I have a small problem with the Nick/Nat scenario. I believe she has truly
> loved him all these years, but I was never convinced he was in love with her,
> therefore, to me, this ending seemd a bit ridiculous. I can see Nick dying
> for Janette but not Nat. They should have developed the relationship a bit
> more over the past 3 seasons. That part just didn't move me.
As I've watched the show over the years, I've come to think that Nick
loves her, but is cautious about letting himself feel too much more,
realizing that she's mortal and there's little chance of a relationship
between them (unless a cure is found). I think this season there
appeared to be less of a relationship between them due to the distance
Nick placed between them after BMV. They probably could have hinted
at how they still felt about each other a bit more during this season,
before leading up to this episode (a hug or two a little more often,
right Dotti?) (Can you tell I'm a Nick&Natpacker?)
The old romantic in me believes that Nick and Nat are each other's
true love.
Mel Moser
N&NPacker, moser@c.......
Check out my Forever Knight Fan Fiction page at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/moser/fkfanfic.htm
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:19:50 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <raissa@i.......>
Subject: Spoilers LK
Hi guys, Here's an "It was all a dream" scenario that my friend Lyn and I
came up with. Nat's friend kills herself. Nat gets the note and diary.
She says to Nick that she isn't sure that suicide is a sacralidge anymore,
and does try to kill herself. Hear me out Natpackers. The diary lays Nat's
lonliness out for her on two fronts. First, she wants to be with Nick, but
she knows that he probably does not have as much faith in himself as she
does. He won't risk bringing her across, and his backsliding is proof that
does not have as much faith as he needs in a cure either. Either way, Nat
figures in her grief induced state that she and Nick can't be together. He
will eventually leave her. Second, one more friend has left Nat, and
whatever the cause, Nat realizes that she can no longer stand to have her
friends die and leave her, too. She will no longer let people abandon her.
Her solution- Beat 'em to it. Take control. LEAVE FIRST. Nick finds Nat,
as she is dying, and recoils in horror. He has to save her soul. If she
dies, she's damnmed. Plus, the brick finally realizes how much he loves
her. One problem. If Nick brings Nat over to save her, that will damn her
soul, too. As much as Nick loves Nat, he can't take the responsibility.
Ergo, he goes to LC. LC can take the responsibility. LC can take any
blame. LC brings Nat across for Nick, and because deep down, for his own
reasons, he also finds suicide repugnant.
THE DREAM-Guilt induced as always. Nick blames himself for Nat's state of
mind, and the events that led up the her attempted suicide. His
discussions with Nat in the morgue amid shifting camera shots represent
the part of him that won't condemn Nat. The desire to bring the wounded
Tracy across represents his desire to bring her across. Ease Nat's
lonliness. Ease the burden of his secret on her, which is best embodied
through Tracy, especially after AtA. As for the tag, Nick envisions LC
staking him, because suicide is a sin, therefore, he can't kill himself.
He envisions his death, because he can't reconcile the love and guilt
regarding Nat. All he has left is the faith that LC will do the right
thing. In real life, save Nat to ease Nick's guilt. In the dream, kill
Nick, to ease his guilt over destroying Nat. As for symbolism, we have
LC's reconstructed bust on the bar. It represents Nick's new understanding
of LC and his past. The revelations associated with that statue have put
Nick and LC's friendship back on track. Ergo, Nick knows that in real life
and dream time LC will help him out of his jam. The human tears Nick cries
in the end represent the fact that Nick cannot distance himself from his
pain without help. He cannot cry the cold red, indifferent tears of a
vampire. He needs LC to create the distance for him and make it all
better.
Btw, the tag is the least interesting ambiguity. The camera work creates
all the dream sequence ambiguity we need, imho. We have the ultra
Roddenburyesque guazed lighting throughout the ep. and the C&C like
staging of LC's monologues. Furthermore, there are the unreal slow motion
sequences. Just before Dawkins goes berzerk, we see an exterior shot of
the station. People are walking by in slow motion. Dawkins takes that
hostage in slow motion. Tracy takes the bullets in slow motion. And
finally, when Nat faints away from the blood loss, she falls to the floor
in slow motion. Then, of course, there is the exchange between Nick and
Nat in the morgue before Dawkins breaks loose that I have already
mentioned. That was filmed strangely to say the least. If GWD did not
intentionally mean to create ambiguity through the camera work, there's
only one thing I can figure. He said to himself, Well d**n, if this is
the last ep. of FK I'm ever going to direct, then I'm throwing in every
trick I know to say good bye.
On a final note, I forgot to mention the significance of Dawkins. Dawkins
kept saying that he wouldn't go back. I took this to represent the fact
that whatever happened Nick wouldn't go back to being the man he was. The
fact that Nick "arrested" Dawkins before means that there were occasions
when he slid back into his old ways, and kept his good impulses down, but
no more. The fact that Dawkins then kills Tracy represents the pain that
Nick thinks his quest to become a better man has caused those he loves.
Well that's it. This is by far my longest post, but I think I've said
everything.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:20:33 -0700
From: K Swanson <kswanson@d.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: Last Knight
Cynthia writes:
>Tracy: No Nick should NOT have trusted her. Witness how she was
>killed: by walking directly into the line of fire when Nick almost had
This is interesting. I took her 'You should have trusted me' line to mean
trusted her with the knowledge that he was a vampire, as she has just
witnessed him vamping out. If she meant it about being a cop, agreed, he
shouldn't have trusted her. ('I'm a good cop' just doesn't ring true....)
>And, by the way, Nat was wrong to stop him. She constantly tells Nick
>that he has no right to make decisions for other people. How dare she
>make this kind of decision for Tracy. Oh, and as for "how can you do
>this for Tracy and not for me", Tracy was DYING. Nat was still alive and
>healthy. Figure it out!
Plus, I think it was easier because he didn't 'love' Tracy, so if it went
wrong, there would be guilt, but not Nat-sized guilt.
>Then there is the "sex" scene. If you can call it that. Janette became
>mortal because she and Robert MADE LOVE. Nick fed.
Exactly! I'm screaming at the TV for him to do MORE than feed. Take her to
the bedroom at least....
Karyn Swanson
kswanson@d.......
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