FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 32
May 16-May 17, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 32
TOPICS:
SPOILER: LK Details from Laurie
SPOILER: AtA and HF (2)
Blood Knowledge (Francesca & AtA)
Spoiler: Marian, AtA, LK
If Someone Else Were Writing FK (spoiler)
Spoiler IRC channel/Spoiler AtA
FKSPOILR - AtA
SPOILER: AtA - LaCroix as Daddy
Last Knight (Maybe a little spoiler)
Spoiler - Last Knight (from someone who has seen it)
Spoilers: F/AtoA/LK (long)
SPOILER: Last Knight
SPOILER: LK Details (Warning: LONG)
How long is last knight?
SPOILER: LK Details
A to A--Constructive Analysis
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:27:47 -0500
From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK Details from Laurie
Can we say "out of character?" Can we say "out of the blue?" Can we say
"TPTB are out of their minds?"
What say we just chalk this whole last episode up to one of Nick's guilty
dreams? Or even LaCroix'?
Sarah
Cleopatra
welshkin@d.......
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:58:05 -0400
From: Lynn Messing <messing@a.......>
Subject: SPOILER: AtA and HF
If this has been answered already, my apologies...I'm several days behind
on my spoiler posts, and if I wait to catch up before posting, the
list will be on to discussing LK.
When I read Carrie's comment:
> Interesting that LaCroix had only three individuals in his life close
> enough to him to warrant killing before he was 'alone'.
I immediately wondered, "What about Janette?" If, as most people (myself
included) believe, she was a vamp again at the end of HF, why does Divia
not know about her? Surely, she would know of LC and J's relationship
through Nick's blood, if nowhere else. Or did she know about J, fly to
her (off screen), and kill her, too?
Any thoughts on this?
At the risk of enterring the "me, too" camp: Bravissimo, Mr. Bennett!
cheers, Lynn messing@a.......
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:30:26 -0400
From: Deborah Menikoff <menikoff@p.......>
Subject: Re: Blood Knowledge (Francesca & AtA)
Sandra writes:
>If vampires remember nothing from blood sharing, then how come Nick
>remembered the conversation after he and Erica shared blood (and more :) )
>in Last Act *centuries* later?
and for that matter, why isn't Nick mooing :-)
__________ Deborah -- first cousin, once removed ______________
" I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry
knows, and Henry knows we know it. We're a knowledgeable family."
________________ menikoff@p....... _____________________
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:32:34 -0400
From: Catherine A Siemann <cas47@c.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: AtA and HF
On Thu, 16 May 1996, Lynn Messing wrote:
> I immediately wondered, "What about Janette?" If, as most people (myself
> included) believe, she was a vamp again at the end of HF, why does Divia
> not know about her? Surely, she would know of LC and J's relationship
> through Nick's blood, if nowhere else. Or did she know about J, fly to
> her (off screen), and kill her, too?
No! No! Not another reason for Janette to be dead! ;)
Because she was killing vampires *surrounding* LaCroix and Janette's
way-the-heck-off someplace far away? Because the connection between
vampires seems to weaken, to some extent, when they're at a distance from
one another? (Remember when LaCroix says to Nick in HF that he can't
believe Janette is in Toronto -- he would have sensed her. This seems to
imply that he doesn't sense her wherever she is . . . ) Remember, we
don't know if Nick or LaCroix even know where she is after her rather
abrupt departure. And even if Divia sensed Janette in Nick's blood, she
went straight from Nick's to LaCroix's, didn't she?
Just my 2 cents . . .
Catherine
who can't believe she's been posting this much.
cas47@c.......
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:24:34 -0700
From: Karin Welss <KWELSS@u.......>
Subject: Spoiler: Marian, AtA, LK
Warning: contains Last Knight spoilers near the end. I've marked that section
with spoiler spaces in case you want to read the first parts of my post.
Add'l Warning: LONG & rambling post! (Sorry, I got carried away...)
Dear fellow listmembers:
Did someone recently mourn the fact that the old-time listmembers weren't
posting any more? Hah! Be careful what you wish for... :-)
Brief introductory comments:
I've been here since the beginning, and it's been one h*ll of a ride. Forever
Knight was my first fandom, and I joined FORKNI-L two months after its
inception by Jean/Jeanster/Jaye/Phoenix/"she of the many psuedonyms." I posted
the first piece of fanfic to FKFIC-L, and (with the aid of Margaret, Valery,
Scottie, and that package of chocolate froggies), founded the Cousins-- the
very first FK faction. The first-ever List Party was held at my (then)
brand-new home during San Francisco WorldCon, and it was a blast meeting
listmembers face-to-face. Of course, FORKNI-L had a membership total of 86
people in those days... :-)
It's been a wonderfully enriching and fun three years with you all, and,
inspired by Marian's comments, I now feel the need to inflict upon you:
Forever Knight: Karin's Retrospective
1. Introduction
Marian and I have discussed the topics expressed in her eloquent & thoughtful
"rant" several times over the past two years. Now that she's made her side of
the dialogue public, I thought I'd throw in my $.02-worth, too. It's not
really a rebuttal, but my take on why I haven't been as enthusiastic for the
second and third seasons of FK as I was for the first season.
2. Themes and Storylines
- Season One: Nick turns his back on vampirism, denies his nature, strives
towards mortality. LaCroix is dead, but haunts Nick in a series of object
lessons. Freed of his master's oppressive presence, Nick is occasionally
victorious in the present day. There is hope for Nick's achievement of his
quest.
- Season Two: With LaCroix back on the scene, and trying a new strategy, Nick
is forced into a series of compromises because of the tug-of-war between
LaCroix/Janette on the one hand, and Natalie/Schanke on the other hand. Nick
is frustrated, unstable (as evinced in the enormous risks he takes in "Near
Death," and his nervous breakdown in "Curiouser & Curiouser") and he is rarely
victorious, either in flashback or in the present day (The Fix, Be My
Valentine). His hopes of achieving his quest seem more and more hopeless as
the season progresses (Near Death; The Fix; Crazy Love, with Nick's resumption
of a sexual relationship with Janette).
- Season Three: Nick begins the season with enormous losses. His Toronto life
seems on the verge of disintegration-- he loses two mortal friends, Janette
leaves him, and he is tempted to abandon everything and start over somewhere
else. As the season progresses, Nick's quest is on hold while episodes focus
on Tracy, Urs, and Vachon. Nick then suffers further setbacks and defeats
(Night in Question, Sons of Belial) and begins to reconcile with LaCroix,
whose strategy of appeasement and paternalism seems to be working (AtA). Nick
no longer seems hopeful of achieving his quest; rather, he seems to be trying
to find a comfortable balance between the mortal and vampire worlds-- trying
to become an ethical vampire rather than a redeemed mortal.
3. Why Season One?
Without passing judgment on the relative worths of the three seasons as
"good," "bad," or "indifferent," because I consider them all about equal on
the acting/writing/production levels, Season One was may favorite because of
its themes-- the Loss of the Light and Nick's struggle with himself to regain
it (ie, Dark Knight; For I Have Sinned; Last Act; Feeding the Beast; the
Rebecca music-video ep whose name escapes me at this moment).
And here's where I disagree with Marian. I don't think that Forever Knight
went downhill after the first season (which had its share of rotten episodes,
too), but rather that its focus shifted. I've mostly enjoyed all three
seasons-- each had its share of excellent episodes and total dogs-- but Season
One struck a chord in my psyche with its "fall-and-redemption" theme-- a very
old and very powerful story and one that has always appealed to me greatly.
I do agree with Marian, however, that in order to keep the redemption story
arc of Season One, LaCroix should have stayed dead in the present day, and
appeared only in flashback. No offense to the brilliant job that Nigel did
with the character, but LaCroix alive in the present day meant that Nick's
only options were compromise (his balancing act of Season Two between
Lacroix/Janette and Schanke/Natalie), reconciliation (Season Three), or utter
defeat.
4. Endings (contains Last Knight Spoilers)
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So I was deeply saddened but not surprised to hear (from the Last Knight
spoilers) that the series ends with Nick ultimately defeated in his quest.
If I've understood the Last Knight storyline correctly, Nick is unable to
fully reconcile his vampire self with his desire to be a mortal man in a
mortal relationship (echoes of his disastrous marriage to Alyssa in "Dead of
Night"). He gambles all by trying Janette's cure with Natalie-- and loses.
Death is then Nick's way of opting out of the struggle between Light and Dark
in his soul-- because after killing Natalie, he no longer cares whether or not
he's been redeemed (as he did in Near Death). All of his progress towards a
moral and physical cure has been nixed by drinking Natalie's blood. He departs
his vampire existence as he entered it-- with the murder of a mortal woman in
a frenzy of lust and hunger (Dark Knight flashback).
And that, beloved fellow listmembers, makes for powerful storytelling but is a
real bummer.
Karin
kwelss@a.......
kwelss@u.......
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:47:34 GMT
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@n.......>
Subject: If Someone Else Were Writing FK (spoiler)
This is the ObFK from my FORKNI-L post about sigs and quote lengths
(reprinted at the bottom of this post, for your convenience<g>)...
If Chris Carter/1013 Productions were doing FK...
...the truth *would* be in our jurisdiction.
Cheers.
----------------------------
Yo! Lissen up!
Sigs: Five Lines Only! Including all text, symbols, blank lines,
everything. THIS MEANS YOU!
Quoting previous posts: Only Four Lines At A Time! Paraphrase if
necessary. THIS MEANS YOU, TOO!
And to whoever wanted the URL of the list rules: see my sig.
I had an ObFK for this post (related to If Someone Else Was Writing FK) but
just realized it's a spoiler, so... never mind.
--
- Jamie M.R. <immajer@n.......> -
- Asst. Listowner, FORKNI-L -
- The Smoking Natpacker, Convert of the CoS -
- Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies -
List Rules - http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:05:48 -0700
From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: Spoiler IRC channel/Spoiler AtA
Just wanted to let everyone know that for the next little while in
addition to the regular EFNet FK channel (#foreverknight) We have added
an additional channel: #fkspoiler This is the place to come for mutual
support in this trying time. If you want a place to disect Last Knight,
discuss your much better endings, or just need a shoulder to cry on
because the last ep has shown, this is the place for you! If you need
info on IRC email me off list and I will send you the just completed IRC
semi-sorta FAQ.
OBFKS Did it seem to anyone else that when Divia was flying, she was
going warp speed? I really got the impression of much greater speed than
normal vamp flight... just wondering.
--
Denise ~The Cousinly Ravenette~ ~TEDT~ ~IRC #Foreverknight Recruiter~
ithildin@m.......
** Ask me about Forever Knight chat every evening on IRC EFNet!! **
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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:57:13 -0400
From: "Donna G. Albrecht" <WriterDGA@a.......>
Subject: Re: FKSPOILR - AtA
Did anyone but me catch the apparent Star Trek reference? After the
interrogation at the police station, LC said (more or less) to Nick, "Your
companions are people of good character." this was a line that Spock's
father spoke to him in one of the Star Trek movies.
Another note for the person who wondered in Francesca why Divia didn't go
after Janette. Simple, Nick brought Janette back across, so she's his
creation now. When she became mortal, she broke the bond with LC.
Donna
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:42:14 -0400
From: Melissa Puzio <miss68@p.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: AtA - LaCroix as Daddy
Roxanne Wrote:
>Uh oh. Red alert. Mental picture coming. LC calls to Divia
>and holds out his arms to her. Dozens of Cousins shout "I am
>Divia!" a la the movie Spartacus, shove her aside and rush him.
>LC gets this look of bewilderment, then terror, on his face as
>these determined-looking people who are calling him "Uncle"
>pounce. he Cousins all leap into his arms, knocking him to
>the ground and begin fighting over who gets what piece of his
>clothing and...
Why do I get this impression of Wild Cousin Tippi running up and yelling,
"spank me daddy! I've been a WICKED girl!"
Cousin Mel
*NatVampCamp*Valentine*Chiante Drinking Member of the Thong Throng*
*High Priestess of Jagrism at Temple Nedved*
miss68@p......., Penchk68@a......., or CousinMel@p.......
If any of the Pens mailing list people are wondering what that other stuff
is about, its a Forever Knight thang"
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:34:15 -0400
From: "<Charlotte Turley>" <CTurley969@a.......>
Subject: Last Knight (Maybe a little spoiler)
Hi everybody.
I don't usually post here. (I've gotten too accustomed to just lurking around
and listening) But I just want to give a small opinion about Last Knight
which I copied off satellite on Sunday night.
I have to admit that I am now watching LK for the third time and I find that
I dislike it a little less every time I see it. I don't think it will ever
be one of my favorite eps but it sort of grows on you.
To be honest the writing really sucks but GWD's direction almost saves the
day. But the real saving grace here is the acting. Nigel is as good as
ever but GWD and CD really get the chance to shine and do they ever take
advantage of that chance!
Both manage to show three seasons of love and the anguish of love unrealised
in their body language and facial expressions that the words don't.
Maybe the best way to see this episode is from the view of an undying
romantic like myself. Real love, the truest of loves, like that between Nick
and Nat, is so strong that it can exist not only through this lifetime but
into the next. Yes, there is disappointment that we didn't get a cure for
Nick or a different resolution of any kind, but we have to take what we have
been given and make the best of this awful situation.
OBTW, did anyone else catch the little statement that it was Sony that asked
for the ending of Last Knight to be altered to something more ambiguous?
Maybe they didn't want it to be so final after all. Hmmmm. <Little glimmer
of hope on my horizon?!>
Going quietly back to lurking,
Charlotte
Born Romantic, therefore Born Nick&NatPacker
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:57:55 -0400
From: Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject: Spoiler - Last Knight (from someone who has seen it)
Spoiler space
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Well.
I have finally seen it.
So I finally read the spoiler posts.
Honestly, until the last segment, I was thinking it wasn't going so badly.
Thinking, maybe they *did* make the ending a little better. In my mind, I
thought maybe they would have taken out the part about Nick asking to be
staked, that the ambiguity at the end would have more to do with whether or
not he had brough Nat across.
So, boy was I upset! But the part where I lost it was when Nick said to
LaCroix, " you are my closest friend." What a revolution from where things
were in the beginning! Such a sacrifice on LaCroix' part; to be willing to
assist in Nick's death because it is what he wants.
I suppose there is wiggle room here; after all, Nat wasn't dead yet. Maybe
just as LaCroix was going to stake Nick, she moved. I don't know. It's 2:30
am, and I am still shook up, I can't really think straight.
One humorous note: A while back, there was a thread as to when everybody's
birthday was. Well, we know Natalie's now - it's April 14.
And Tracy. I, for one, am glad that she got to know Nick's secret, even if
it was because she was being killed off.
I know I have many more thoughts floating around in my head, but it's going
to take some time to get coherent.
Why did it have to end (?) this way?
Beth
bkbva@a.......
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:04:43 -0400
From: Marian Gibbons <starbase5640@g.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: F/AtoA/LK (long)
Dear All--
There are so many eloquent people on this list!
Dear Catherine Siemans-- thank you for your very kind comments.
Heavens! Disagree with my opinions all you like. (I do, often.)
Dear Karen Stortz-- Thank you for identifying so clearly so many of
TPTB. It is quite helpful to know who was responsible for what. I aim
my responses toward Parriot because I believe he's the boss, and has
the final say on what gets done, and because the functions of the
other creative people in charge of stories are less visible. Your post
helped make some of that invisibility go away. Thanks.
and when you said:
<...they've come full circle in a way we never expected; depicting a
triumph of despair and loss over hope, and failure where there should
have been success is perhaps a more true reflection of the series
overall...>
I wished <I'd> said something half as concise.
Dear Laurie Fenster--
You're right, too. Different season fans like different things about
the show. My expectations were formed on "Nick Knight" and "Dark
Knight" (and "Cherry Blossoms" -- my very first viewed FK ep.) My
lack of ability to accept the live Lacroix because of the story
issues his resurrection brings up for me didn't stop me from enjoying
watching Ger and Nigel bring their interactions to life. They were
always good together--even when I laughed when I shouldn't... I'm sorry
to have been on this one-note kick for so long. I just kept feeling like
I was yelling "Watch out for that train! Watch out for that--"
(Wouldn't you know, I had a <really hard> time watching the haunted
house ep, too...)
Dear All--
and despite my moaning and groaning, I will always be grateful
to FK for the stimulus (hey, I always knew what day of the week I was
in in relation to 'air-day') -- and the horizon broadening (who knew
Brabant was so interesting?) -- and the camaraderie here (you guys
are amazing!)
Thank you for your patience. I'll shut up now.
Marian Gibbons
starbase5640@g.......
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:13:36 -0400
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight
I'm going to leave spoiler space, since lots of people won't see
it until Saturday.
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Frankly, it was a worse experience than I thought it would be.
I'd read the script. I even liked the Gotterdammerrung "everyone dies and
Lacroix takes over for the fat lady and sings one last little aria" way
the script was originally written -- except for the 'tale of woe/Juliet
and her Romeo' tag -- I guess I have a weakness for operatic moves.
The script remains my favorite part. With exception of Nigel Bennett, who
plays a once-again-reserved Lacroix (his world-weary, "oh, I hope you
thought this through" is *so* parental and resigned) I don't like how it
was acted, and I don't like how it was shot. But I mean *like* -- not "I
don't respect." They made choices that I can't feel any affection for,
and on a first viewing, I can't even see through the emotional response to
a cooler technical one. It's interesting that GWD, who directed, gave
himself some really unflattering closeups; he really does seem to be a
man without vanity. Catherine Disher's reading of the "bite me, bite me
please" speech absolutely stood everything I thought I understood about
Natalie Lambert right on its head. She played the scene exactly like she
played Natalie's fantasy sequence while reading the vampire novel in the
vampire-novelist episode last year ("Stranger than Fiction"?).
Oh well. This never happened <g>. Someone thought FK could be
killed? Nah -- it's "far too old and powerful."
Apache
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 04:24:00 -0400
From: Melanie Moser <moser@c.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK Details (Warning: LONG)
On Thu, 16 May 1996, lucienlc wrote:
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> WARNING: these are detailed. _Very_ detailed. If you don't want to be
> spoiled, please don't read them. I'm only doing this as a service to those
> who find it easier to deal with something if they know what's coming.
>
> I thought it would be better for folks to form their own opinions rather
> than rely on my own perceptions, so there isn't much analysis or commentary.
> Just details.
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Having just sat through LK, I sit here in shock (minus one box of
tissues) and as therapy, will begin what's soon to be a deluge of
mail and opinions regarding this episode. If you haven't read
Laurie's detailed spoiler first, I recommend you do so, as I will
be removing some of it. I am adding a few opinions to a few key
moments detailed in this spoiler (awesome job, Laurie, I think you
really caught much of the essence of the episode)...
Overall, this is a very emotional and intimate episode. If you
haven't seen it yet, I recommend watching it with a very open mind
(and heart). IMHO, I think it was superbly done (and I'm a tough
critic): great directing from Ger, well written script, superbly
acted, and probably one of the most daring dramatic series episodes
I have ever lived through.
Let me reiterate that: "one of the most daring dramatic series
episodes I have ever lived through".
Yes, I believe many will dispute this episode to the finest detail,
debating the why and wherefore's, but I doubt I'll get involved in
any of these debates, if I even do more than skim them. Personal
preference: I usually just accept most of an episode as it is.
Especially this one. Enough said.
What LaCroix narrates throughout the episode is crucial. To me,
he describes the thoughts and feelings from the vampire point of
view, his world view. A father's last words to his son? With his
encounters with Nick in the episode, we get the message that it's
time for them (him and Nick) to move on. That by Nick's staying,
he's only hurting those mortals around him more.
The Nick & Nat interaction in the entire episode revolves around
how much the death of her friend gives Natalie a rude awakening
about the status of her life (and lack there of). The impression
left here is how lonely Nat has always been. The one thing that
changed that was when Nick entered her life. (Come on, she
remembers the exact date!). Believing her friend left her diary
and suicide note for Nat for a reason, to warn Nat not to fall
into the same trap, Nat pressures Nick into deciding what they
are going to do with their relationship.
One personal thought here: let me say that unless you've been
here before (loneliness, emptiness, depression, suicidal), it may
be hard to comprehend how Nat could feel this way. (Been there,
felt that, have recovered; but I was shocked to see how realistic
the scenes were acted. Wow!). (Don't they have some sort of
mental health plan / therapy for these people thru the Metro
P.D. benefit plan?)
I also believe this episodes accurately shows the depth of
the love between Nick and Nat. A true Romeo & Juliet type
of love, but with the additional twist of believing in an
afterlife where they can be together.
Then there's the debate over "how come you can bring
<insert-name-here, in this case Tracy> across, but not me?"
My belief is that Nick loves Nat too much to 'taint' her
goodness by bringing her across. If anybody understands it,
I think Nick does, knowing what the vampirism does to a 'good'
soul. I think he also knows he's not very good at bringing
someone across... especially when it's someone he loves so much.
From Laurie's spoiler:
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> Nick finds Dawkins, starts to whammy him as Tracy, unbeknownst to them
> both, closes in from behind Nick. Dawkins loses it and fires, striking
> Tracy. He squeezes off several more shots as Nick vamps out completely and
> slams him to the wall. (Note: the filming is bad, imo; I'm still trying
> to figure out how she got struck in the back of the head.)
I think the bullets ricocheted (sp?) (listen closely to the background
sound effects) off the wall(s), thus hitting Tracy in the back of the head.
Whether this is realistic or not, I'm not sure. I thought this was
a rather quick (and drastic) way to get rid of Tracy. Why was Tracy
killed in this episode? Was it necessary? Pay attention to the
dialogue between LaCroix and Nick that follows:
> LC: Nicholas ... don't you see? You have overstayed your welcome. The
> pain you are causing your mortal friends is no longer acceptable to
> them. Those that do survive will not allow their relationship with
> you to continue in the way that it was. They will demand change. And you
> will be compromised. One way or another."
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> LC: "For all the things that we are, there is a price to be paid. Love can be
> tasted but never savoured. In our darkest moments we may envy
> mortality, but we should never aspire to it. Guilt ... is a poison. And
> staying past our time ... is death. But it need not be. If we
> truly care for a mortal ... truly love one ... then we must go. Isn't that
> something that _you_ taught _me_?"
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This is probably the key area I just don't get about this episode.
Other than Nick being blinded by his love, why can't he see that
by sticking around, he has only and will continue to hurt Nat?
I think he realizes this by the next encounter he has with Nat.
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> Nat glances around; she's been packing. The contents of her desk have been
> put into a box. She puts the diary into the box and puts the cover on. The
> phone rings, and she picks it up.
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Has Nat already made a decision here that she's not returning, one
way or another, to her job?
> Nick: "I'm leaving _because_ of you. You don't want my love. It will only
> destroy you."
> Nat: "There is a way... there is one cure that we haven't tried.
> Janette became mortal by making love to Robert ... taking just a little
> at a time."
> Nick: "It was a lot more complicated than that, Nat."
> Nat: "I'm willing to take my chances."
> Nick: "Well, I'm _not_. What if I take too much?" I'm not willing to live
> a life of eternal pain ..."
> Nat: "Is it any worse than living a life of eternal regret? It's partly my
> choice too, Nick."
Wat to speak up for yourself here, Nat!
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> He looks down and she walks over to the window. "Does LaCroix ever talk to
> you about faith?"
> Nick: "In what?"
> Nat: "In yourself ... in an afterlife ... I don't know, in a greater being
> who loves us no matter who we are or what we do?"
> Nick: "Faith is a mortal folly, Nat."
> Nat: "His words or yours? You really believe that's true?"
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> FLASHBACK to "For I Have Sinned" [Nick offering immortality to Joan of Arc:
> "Faith. Pure and simple faith."]
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> Nick: "I'm not sure."
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> Nat: "I won't accept that the sum of our existence can be measured in
> the few short years that we're alive here. It would make everything that we
> believe meaningless. It would make our whole lives here meaningless.
> I know that's not true, and so do you. You have faith, Nick. And, if
> it's a mortal folly, then you're the most mortal man I've ever known."
> Nick: "You cannot deny what I am!"
> Nat: "You can't deny what's in your heart."
> Nick: "What are you saying?"
> Nat: "I have faith that there is a future for us ... Here, as we are ... or
> somewhere else." She walks slowly over to him. "I believe in you. I trust
> you. Make love to me, Nick ... take just a little at a time."
A very interesting insight into Nat, seeing as she has had trouble
believing in ghosts and reincarnation in the past?
> Nick: "I'm afraid of what might happen."
> Nat: "Don't be afraid. I'm not afraid of death. Or of an eternity in
> darkness, as long as I can spend it with you." She's caressing his face
> looks to him, cups his face in her hands. "All I have is faith, and love.
> All I'm asking is for you to make love to me. I trust you"
God, romance doesn't get any better than this....
>
> They look deep into each others' souls, Nick looks down. When he looks back
> up his eyes are glowing.
>
> Nick: "I won't leave you. Whatever happens, we'll be together."
> Nat: "Forever."
>
> They kiss once, gently. Nicks caresses her hand. Then Nick bites into her.
> (Hey? Anyone here ever here of foreplay?)
I couldn't quite understand this either. Did they do this to save time?
(I hope someone will tell us if the Canadian version is different here?)
Or was Nick perhaps testing his self-control, before taking things further,
at this point?
We get a montage of flashbacks,
> from Nick's many lifetimes. Is Natalie receiving these images?
I got the strong impression that Natalie was receiving these images
from Nick, based not only on what we were told in Francesca, but by
the reactions Natalie has to what we see intercut with the images
(great acting, CD! great editing too.) I also got the impression,
based on the violence we saw in the images, that Nat was a little
shocked by same of the images of Nick's past, with the last image
being from when Nick was brought across.
It's most likely due to lack of time, we only saw Natalie's
impressions, not Nick's. Obviously, whatever he saw must of been
darn good if he couldn't stop in time.
>
> Nat, swoons and collapses. (We see no blood, btw.) Nick lowers her to the
> floor, leans over her, still high on the experience. Behind him, we see
> LaCroix.
>
> LC: <evenly> "Well ... all that remains now is to turn off the
> lights and lock the door on our way out. Unless of course you have decided
> to add her to our entourage. <off Nick's silence and confusion> Oh,
> Nicholas. You _have_ thought this through, haven't you?"
>
LC to the very core! (Though this is where I think he's like Nat,
hiding his true feelings under sarcasm).
> Nick: "LaCroix? Is it possible for a vampire to have faith?"
> LC: "That's a strange question at this moment in time."
> Nick: "Have you ever had faith in anything but yourself?"
> LC: "I have seen too much."
> Nick: "Then maybe I haven't seen enough."
> LC: "After nearly 800 years? Nicholas, be done with her. Time heals
> all - we must move on. You cannot deny what you are."
>
To me, this is where Nick truly separates from LaCroix. Nick
accepts and still has faith.
> Nick: "She had faith in me ... in what's beyond. That we could have a life
> together. That this would would be a beginning ... not an end..."
>
> He walks back and sits down, holding the *stake*.
>
> Nick: "I have that faith too."
>
Faith confirmed....
> LC (as we come full circle to the teaser): "Don't be foolish, Nicholas.
> Life is a gift. As sweet as the freshest peach, as precious as a gilded
> jewel. ......
> Or will it burn you like the morning sun? Are the sounds you hear
> the trumpeting of St. Peter's angels ... or the screams of Memnoch's
> tortured souls? You can't answer that, can you? Because you will never
> know the answer until after the deed is done. Is your faith really that
> strong?"
>
> Nick remains silent.
>
> LC (trying to suppress his hurt): "And so ... in your eyes ... I'm the Devil."
>
> That evokes a reaction. Nick stands and faces him.
>
> Nick: "No. Not the Devil, LaCroix."
>
> LC: "What then?"
>
> Nick: "You ... are my closest friend." As he speaks, he hands LC the stake.
I leave this one up to the rest of your to discuss... the Nick/LaCroix
relatonship....
>
> Nick kneels beside Natalie's body ... reaches out and takes her hand, his
> back to LC.
>
> LC: (sotto) "Damn you, Nicholas."
>
> He hoists the stake in one smooth motion. Cut to the exterior of the loft,
> then the sunrise.
>
An interesting ending.... leaving everything up in the air.... and many
doors open. Does LaCroix do it? I'm not even convinced that Nat is
dead yet. Do Nick and Nat both die, and meet in the next life to
live happily after?
Much as some people may disagree with me, I actually liked this ending.
Sure, I would have preferred the storybook happily ever after ending.
But, at the same time, IMHO, this would have made it more difficult to
bring back another season or make the upcoming movies. This way
leaves the door open to alot of possibilities (including alot of
great fan fiction). (And it's sure better than the Romeo and Juliet
end originally posted in the spoilers).
So, yes it's over. This season. This chapter closes. Is the
show over? Absolutely not. This season finale / series finale
was riveting, amazing, a masterpiece of film making (acting,
directing, editing, sound, cinematography) and we should all feel
proud to have been privy to and part of it all.
It's late and this message is rather long enough as it is.
(Already preparing to duck the flames). I usually don't post
messages about episodes, but this one really moved me.
Mel Moser
N&NPacker, moser@c.......
Check out my Forever Knight Fan Fiction page at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/moser/fkfanfic.htm
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 07:33:36 -0230
From: Jason Ryan <ibe0018@i.......>
Subject: How long is last knight?
how long will last knight be?? one or two hours??
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"La vie pour toujours, ma chere petite"
-Jason Ryan
ibe0018@i.......
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:37:54 -0400
From: Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK Details
In a message dated 96-05-16 11:41:41 EDT, Laurie wrote:
>Another fan (Lora Haines - President of the FK fan club) makes the big
>time. As a suicide.
Well, don't you think this says it all?
Beth
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:59:08 EDT
From: Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: A to A--Constructive Analysis
Best Quotes:
"I believe I've had a rather sobering affect upon the disenfranchized,"
Lacroix
"Who would have ever imagined that you would have risen to the lofty
position of innkeeper,"
Devia (aka The Bitch)
Personal note: If she ever touches one of my boys again, I'll kick her
puny ass as I drive that stake through her evil little heart
Best Aspects
Plot
Symbolism (great!)
Worst Aspects
Dialogue
Acting
The poor dialogue and acting directly relate with each other, though.
First, the writer stoops to writing simple sentence structure for Lacroix'
part. Lacroix is not a simple sentence structure guy. He is very much
a compound-complex sentence structure vampire.
For example:
in the Pompeii scene he says to Divia
"I want to live" --I wasn't convinced that this was true because Bennett
delivered that line with confusion. I think he felt the strangeness of
Lacroix' simplicity at this point and was struggling to link the dialogue
with the character.
Perhaps if he had said
"Given the immediate peril that I have found myself in , I believe I
would prefer to live, wouldn't you?"
or something to that nature I would have been convinced.
I DO think Bennett did an EXCELLENT job at portraying a someone nervous
Lacroix. The scenes at the Raven where he appeared disquieted by the evil
he sensed were performed with skill.
In addition to Bennett's awkwardness, I felt Davies struggled with his
lines too. For once, he is played against the backdrop of Lacroix; as a
character for Lacroix to bounce his feelings off of rather than vice-versa.
There was no room for Nick to angst in this episode and I felt that
attributed the sense of disjointedness I felt when watching the character.
Many of Davies' lines were written ambiguously, subject to interpretation.
I believe that he lacked guidance on how Nick should feel (or perhaps
received conflicting advice) because he recites his lines with conflicting
feelings.
For instance, during Lacroix' interrogation I sensed Davies was wrestling
with the interpretational delimma.In one line he recites he seems
friendly, the next he seems angry,the next he seems sypathetic.
I also felt that Davies was somewhat uncomfortable placing his hand on
Lacroix' shoulder. It seemed intentionally and strategically placed, rather
than sponanteously committed. Part of the problem is that the camera never
goes below chest level on these guys (are we hiding something people?)
so the affect is lost in the filming. Perhaps if Davies had slapped his
hand up on Lacroix shoulder and squeezed it, then released, I would have
been more convinced.
It was an excellent plot and it was truly exciting to see Lacroix' softer
side (despite claims that he was "out of character" I believe he was
perfectly in tune with himself). Remember, Good and evil exist in us all,
and is in a constant state of flux. Because Lacroix is always played as
"the evil guy", he was beginning to risk becoming a flat character.But
they broadened his horizons, and it was done well, unlike the portrayal
of Reece.
Tanya out
PS I hope they don't kill Nick in Last Night. WHen I saw him laying
on that sun picture possibly dead I was so traumatized!
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