FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 27
May 14, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 27
TOPICS:
SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT (3)
Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes, Francesca
Ashes to Ashes spoiler stuff/ramblings (2)
Ashes To Ashes(religion)
SPOILER: AtA (blinks etc.)
Ashes to Ashes: LC and URSE???!!
SPOILER: AtA
SPOILER: Last Knight - Silly question (2)
Last Knight--Peaches?
SPOILER: Last Knight questions (5)
Fran, AtA, whammies (2)
Ashes To Ashes: Tracy's memory:to purge or not to purge.... (3)
last night
Peaches/Divia's Resurrection (2)
SPOILER: Last Knight
Divia's and Nick's hair
SPOILER: Ashes--dialogue; song
Vacancy, and not a moment too soon
Ashes to Ashes spoiler stuff
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:22:17 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT
> From: "Carol A. Morrison" <morrison@a.......>
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> Natalie on her right check and tells LaCroix "I can't condemn her to this
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Would you believe I just got another reply from someone else who claims
to have seen the episode and states that he DID go back for the second
drink????
Now, I'm really confused....Not that I doubt you, but are you sure all he
did was kiss her?
> Tracy's last words to Nick -- "You...could have trusted me."
I know where this comes in....(should be a good scene!)
> Nick's last words to Natalie -- "I won't leave you. Whatever happens, we'll
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> Natalie's last word to Nick -- "Forever."
Ok, mind if I ask where these come in at??? Especially, Nat's last words...
was that before, after, or during the "drink"?
Unlike some lucky(or unlucky people) I won't get to see this episode until
3am next Saturday.... :(
> Lacroix's last words to Nicholas -- "Damn you, Nicholas."
I believe this is at the very end of the show during a very, ahem, "pointed"
moment?
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:39:43 -0700
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes, Francesca
>> She says "Javier..." *really badly* and it sounds like "I'm
>>here.."
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> That's odd. I put my TV on closed caption to try and figure it
>out, and THAT said that she said "I love you."
I had the same problem. I heard her say "I'm here", but the closed
captioning said "I love you." Some people told me they heard what she
said as "I love you." I think we can all agree that she mumbled, and
this was a bad time for it.
>I guess we'll have to see a script to figure out where 'I love you'
>came from. I'm wondering if it isn't supposed to go where "Wish me
>luck" is now -- a smart script change
Fwiw, the script isn't much help. The script has Vachon's "Wish me
luck" but it doesn't have Tracy saying anything at that particular
moment.
Of course, the script also has her killing him, rather than him
impaling himself on the stake.
On a lighter note, since folks can certainly use one about now, here's
the cut scene from Francesca where Tracy reams Nick:
Tracy: (mid-rant) Look, I'm not saying you didn't get the job done.
You did. But how many times have you chewed me out for going off on a
hunch by myself without calling backup? (off his resigned look) You
could have been killed.
Nick: (covering a smile) You're right. I'm sorry.
Tracy: So you'll call me next time?
Nick: Scout's honor.
Laurie
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:44:34 -0600
From: Deb Rowland <drowland@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes spoiler stuff/ramblings
>I was very curious when I saw Divia smoking without her body actually
>going up in ashes. Any thoughts?
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:44:36 -0600
From: Deb Rowland <drowland@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes spoiler stuff/ramblings
>I was very curious when I saw Divia smoking without her body actually
>going up in ashes. Any thoughts?
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I noticed the smoke curling up around her too and wondered since Vachon
certainly didn't self-combust. However, she rose from the sarcophagus with
a burst of intense light and some type of special effects (almost stright
from Raiders of the Lost Ark) so I guess she came back and left again in a
blaze of glory. (Sorry, I couldn't help it after one day of glorious
spring, it's cold and raining again. Some times you have to make your own
sunshine. - Maybe Nick should have tried!)
Deb Knightie with strong Cousinly urges
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:45:41 -0400
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: Ashes To Ashes(religion)
Someone wrote:
>Question that occurred to me as soon as LaCroix said he would pray for
>Divia: To whom will he pray? Jupiter or Christ? Or maybe Mithras, the
>sun god popular with 1st-century soldiers? Now that would be a nice irony.
I personally don't think that LC would pray to any of these. Yes, he was a
Roman but that dosen't mean anything. We have no evidence that shows that LC
as a mortal had any religious convictions. There have only been a few
instances where LC has mentioned god. In C&C "If there is a god...must it be
sane??" And in AMPH he discusses with Nick the possibility of a higher power
and wonders "what kind of god would create such torture?" Then in SOB he
claims "God and the devil are a human contrivance...". and later as Nick is
writhing tells him there is "god" in him. Hmmm.. sounds like LC is a little
confused. (I won't dredge up that whole agnostic/athiest/evil discussion
from my Nietzsche posts again, (which I did get flamed for BTW), but I think
it applies here) I think that deep down LC believes there is a greater
*force* out there, a super natural power, but I don't think it has anything
to do with religion. A "god" dosen't have to have a name. Sometimes a
prayer is just a sentiment and in this case maybe a catharsis. LC had a lot
of emotions to deal with in that scene. A prayer need not be directed at
anyone or anything in particular. Maybe he just whispered a few heartfelt
words as Divia's ashes were swept away by the wind. That's the way I see it.
But then I *am* suffering from severe sleep deprivation from Syndicon, so if
this makes no sense, have pity!!
Cousin Michelle/too tired for a sig today
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:03:09 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: SPOILER: AtA (blinks etc.)
Ashes to Ashes was a truly awesome episode. Fantastic premise, wonderful
writing, excellent direction, beautiful lighting, great music (hey, "The
Hunger" is one of my favorite tracks on the FK CD!) and of course superb
acting by all. I was especially impressed by Kathryn Long and (of course)
Nigel, who was able to try out some brand new facial expressions for
Lacroix. Worry? Unease? Horror and disgust? Fear? Heartbroken
sadness? It's all there... so much more range to Lacroix than we saw in
the first season. In some ways I liked the relative simplicity of the
relationship between Nick & Lacroix in the first and parts of the second
season, but I am also fascinated by how complex this relationship has
become as the series has progressed. AtA added a whole new layer of
complexity.
I was fascinated by what it was that caused Lacroix to destroy Divia the
first time (temporarily, as it turned out). I had read a couple of very
vague spoilers about the episode, so I knew that at some point Lacroix
had apparently killed Divia, but I had supposed that he had done it as
part of a power play. Lacroix doesn't like others to control him, so I
assumed that he had killed Divia when she tried to control him. The
explanation in the episode is so much more interesting, and says so much
more about who Lacroix really is, where he draws the line on evil, and
how he defines love. Wow.
A couple of silly how-did-they-film-this remarks:
(a) Someone asked if the head-in-a-box at the Raven *blinked*. I checked
the episode using frame-by-frame advance, and the head doesn't blink, but
the eyes definitely twitched just a teeny bit. Nigel said at Syndicon
that it was in fact the actor's head (he was crouched under the counter
and they had put a hole where there is normally a sink on the Raven's
bar). So you can imagine how difficult it would be to keep from at least
twitching your eyes if you are crouched under a counter with your head
stuck up into a cardboard box when someone pulls off some tissue paper and
the bright lights and cameras hit you. Ron Obadia (Hamid Karam) actually
did a pretty darn good job of looking mostly dead. <g> I wonder how hard
it was for them to find an actor in Toronto who could speak Arabic? And
is that why we never saw Hamid's brother Hashim, who was at the other end
of the radio? Couldn't they find someone else to play Hashim, forcing
them to have Rob Obadia read Hashim's lines as well (using a different
voice, of course, so he wouldn't sound the same). This is all silly
speculation, of course, but I did notice that no one was in the credits
for the voice of Hamid's brother Hashim!
(b) Apparently (once again interpreting what Nigel said at Syndicon) they
filmed the scenes where the vamps appear to be floating around (Lacroix in
the Raven, Lacroix and Divia in the tomb in the flashback) by putting the
actor on a trolley (like the ones mechanics use to work underneath cars)
and having a crew person push him around by the feet. But Nigel said they
had a hard time getting the trolley to go straight, so he ended up
careening around the Raven. That may be the real reason for that smile on
Lacroix's face just before he goes into his office and finds Vachon and
Urs asleep on his couch. <g>
(c) I really, really wish I could remember what Nigel said about "Hair
Care Tips of Lacroix," because he explained what it was the hair dressers
put in his hair to get it to stand up just right. I think it was some
sort of spray glaze. The reason why I can't remember is that he was
*looking* at me while he said it and my brain kind of froze up for a
while. Ack!
--
Allison (percy91@w.......)
Tormented Knightie and Chief Bunny of the McGregors
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:36:26 -0400
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: Ashes to Ashes: LC and URSE???!!
Eric wrote:
<<Was it just me, or did anyone else think there was anything going on
between Urs and LaCroix? >>
Interesting. Hadn't thought of that. I would hope that LC had something
going with someone, even though we regretfully didn't get to see it ;) If
not, he is in serious need of ...ahem. wrong list. But I guess that's what
fanfic is for.
Seriously though, I can't picture him with Urse, unless it was a quickie or
something. I think that if LC had a relationship with anyone it would have
to be someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence. Someone to stimulate
him intellectually as well as physically. Nothing against Urse but she was
about as intellectually stimualting as an eggplant. LC can do better. Much,
much, better.
Cousin Michelle
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:44:46 EDT
From: Margie Gillis <MGILLIS@c.......>
Subject: SPOILER: AtA
My apologies in advance if any of this has been said already, but I've
just subscribed to this list because I *had* to talk about this
episode, at least a little. It literally had me on the edge of my
seat for the whole hour...
I noticed a couple of posts about the erotic reading of Nick & LC's
interaction--yeah, I saw that too. No matter how you read it, though,
it was nice to see Nick supporting him, especially with the rest of
the Community abandoning LC. Do you think Nick is starting to
understand LC's frustration about Nick's guilt trip? Here Nick has
been angsting for centuries about killing strangers (well, mostly
strangers), while LaCroix has been dealing with being a filicide and
matricide all in one blow...And if I remember right, LaCroix was just
a 20-year-old fledgling at the time.
LOTS more to say, but no time to say it...Back to lurking.
Margie
mgillis@d.......
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:49:16 -0700
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight - Silly question
The first line in Last Knight, spoken by LaCroix, is:
"Life is like a ripe peach."
Did they have peaches in Rome back in the first century? I know Italy
is one of the largest exporters of peaches today, but did they have
them in Lucius the General's time?
Laurie, who still thinks it an odd metaphor for a vampire to use.
Has LaCroix been missing peaches for 2,000 years?
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:01:47 EDT
From: Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: Last Knight--Peaches?
"life is like a ripe peach" sounds goofy to me. Sounds like "Life
is like a box of chocolates..." Forrest Gump.
We could call Lacroix Forest Grump. (-;
Tanya
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:06:19 -0500
From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight questions
OK, I said I wasn't going to read the spoilers, but I can resist anything
but temptation, right?
For those of you who've seen it, I have a few questions:
1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end?
2) How many can be resurrected by us, keeping in mind that Alexandra had
been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that LaCroix was
staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he came back?
Apprehensively,
Sarah
*definite* Cleopatra
welshkin@d.......
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:08:58 -0700
From: Bonnela <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Fran, AtA, whammies
At the end of 'Francesca' we are lead to believe that Nick hypnotized the
psychologist (Lisa Callick), right? But then Tracy walks into her office
and starts talking about the possibility that vampires might be real -- the
psychologist pulls that face and *I* took it to mean that she suddenly
remembered what really happened, remembered seeing Nick vamped out.
If this is the case, how many other instances have we seen of people being
whammied, only to have something happen later and all of the memories come
back. Does this happen with Nat after BMV?
Bonnie <callalily@l.......> "What?"
Ultra-Cool Vaquero Web Page --> http://users.lanminds.com/~callalily
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:20:00 -0400
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: Ashes To Ashes: Tracy's memory:to purge or not to purge....
...that is the question.
Someone posted in regard to the Tracy/Vachon/Nick thing:
>Erasing the memory: Personally that would be a blessing.
I totally disagree that erasing Tracy's memories of Vachon would be the best
thing for her. I realize different people feel differently about this based
on their own experience and I certainly am not saying they're wrong.
But...how can a person grow without experiencing life, the good and the bad?
Isn't pain a part of life? I firmly believe the adage "what dosen't kill
you makes you stronger." In my own experience, if I had somehow miraculously
forgotten all the BS I've been through, I would be half the person I am
today. Sometimes life sucks! Deal with it! Yes, Tracy is going to have
painful memories but hopefully she will use them to become a better person.
Maybe she won't. Maybe she'll wallow in self-pity for the rest of her life.
We see it on talk shows everyday. The point is,(yes, I do have one!) it
should be *her* decision. Nick had no right to even consider making her
forget. It's a cop out. And yes, it pissed me off when Spock did it to
Kirk!
Ok-I think that's my limit for the day! There is just so much to say about
this ep!!
Cousin Michelle
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:50:02 -0400
From: "Carol A. Morrison" <morrison@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT
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>Would you believe I just got another reply from someone else who claims
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>Now, I'm really confused....Not that I doubt you, but are you sure all he
>did was kiss her?
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Well I'll put it to you this way. Nick bites Natalie on the left side and
when she is lying on the floor her head is turned to the left. Nick leans
down over her right side. This is about the time he tells LaCroix that he
can't condemn her to this darkness (Kind of hard to drink and talk at the
same time). They pull away and you see him kissing her on her right cheek.
Her head is still turned the same way to the left and there are no bite
marks on the right side of her neck.
>Ok, mind if I ask where these come in at??? Especially, Nat's last words...
>was that before, after, or during the "drink"?
Essentially right before the "drink."
>> Lacroix's last words to Nicholas -- "Damn you, Nicholas."
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:49:47 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions
At 03:06 PM 5/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end?
One definitely and two possibly.....(because of the ambiguous ending)
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been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that LaCroix was
>staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he came back?
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Two, if they are indeed dead (which we're not sure of).
Am I right?
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:08:23 -0400
From: "Carol A. Morrison" <morrison@a.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions
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>OK, I said I wasn't going to read the spoilers, but I can resist anything
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>For those of you who've seen it, I have a few questions:
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>1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end?
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>been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that LaCroix was
>staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he came back?
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>*definite* Cleopatra
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imho....the only one that can't be resurrected is Tracy. Unless......this
whole thing was one of Nick's nighmares which I really believe it was!!!
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:51:53 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Fran, AtA, whammies
At 01:08 PM 5/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>-- the psychologist pulls that face and *I* took it to mean that she
suddenly remembered what really happened, remembered seeing Nick vamped out.
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I don't agree that's what her face was supposed to say....I just don't think
she wanted to deal with anything that had to do with Frank's case anymore.
After all, she did remember up to being kidnapped by him...that can't be a
good memory, remembering how horrified she was when she saw him at her door.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:58:24 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Ashes To Ashes: Tracy's memory:to purge or not to purge....
At 04:20 PM 5/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
There is plenty of pain in life to learn from. Something that extraordinary
is not something she can learn from really--except don't hold up a stake
near a vampire who wants to kill himself--it was not a learning experience
of any kind. She's going to deal with all kinds of loss, losing the memory
of THAT particular loss is not going to make her less a person.
I certainly am not any stronger from the death of my friend. I have lost
plenty of friends and family to learn how to cope with death and get my
learning experiences. Losing the memory of a really unpleasant one would
not change me life except for the better. And, this is how I see Tracy's
memory loss. I truly believe the fact that Nick cares enough to want to
spare her any unnecessary horror is very sweet....perhaps I do agree with
the fact that perhaps just going ahead and making the decision for her is
kind of presumptuous, but his heart is definitely in the right place.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:08:10 -0700
From: Elizabeth Mosler <emosler@l.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions
>At 03:06 PM 5/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
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>>1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end?
>>One definitely and two possibly.....(because of the ambiguous ending)
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Me:
Okay, one maybe dead is Nat. Who is number two?
elizabeth m. <emosler@l.......>
Personal Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/rose.html
Work Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/binding.html.
*Jody to Perry the Vampire dog: "Good boy!" Woofpacker forever!*
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:14:56 +0200
From: katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject: last night
if anyones seen last knight can you e-mail off list and tell me some real
details, not just little hints??
oh please??????
I'm going on vacation starting on friday to a place that doesn't have tv,
and I have to find out what happened!!!!!
i can't wait a two weeks to find out what really happens in last knight or
I'll go mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
help me, please help me,
and I don't care if it gives away the details,
just help me
katrinka
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:44:36 -0400
From: Nancy McCaskey <mccaskn@p.......>
Subject: Peaches/Divia's Resurrection
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> Did they have peaches in Rome back in the first century? I know Italy
> is one of the largest exporters of peaches today, but did they have
> them in Lucius the General's time?
Yes, they did. Apicius contains a recipe for peaches, and one of my SCA
sources states that peaches were "introduced to Europe over two thousand
years ago. 'Perseoc' in Anglo-Saxon." E-mail me if you need the source
and author.
On an unrelated note, I have a theory about how Divia managed to return
after being decapitated. We've already seen that vamps can reattach a
severed part (re Vachon's hand in BB). Suppose Lacroix placed her in the
sarcophagus "properly," with her head lined up where it's supposed to
be? It would definitely be easier to regenerate that way...
Fanfic, anyone?
:)
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Nancy McCaskey mccaskn@p.......
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Is the Black Buddah responsible for the Water Cooler Curse?
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:25:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Ashes To Ashes: Tracy's memory:to purge or not to purge....
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:25:06 -0700
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions
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>>For those of you who've seen it, I have a few questions:
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>>1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end?
From this episode? Two or three; it's unclear.
>>2) How many can be resurrected by us, keeping in mind that Alexandra
>>had been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that
>>LaCroix was staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he
>>came back?
All of them. As usual. They can be resurrected by us or by TPTB,
should they be so inclined.
Of course, they can't necessarily be resurrected as *humans*; they may
have to be resurrected as vampires. :-)
Laurie
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 19:45:10 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Peaches/Divia's Resurrection
Can people please be careful about posting spoilers about Last Night
in subject lines? Some of us are trying to avoid being spoiled. Thank
you.
The word Spoiler(s) and the episode title is sufficient.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:55:35 +0000
From: Lisa Wolters <redjasper@e.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight
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So I've read the spoilers from those of you who've already seen
"Last Knight," and have formed my very own Cheesy
Rationalization(tm) with which I plan to live from now 'til
Saturday, when I see the ep, and then for the rest of my life.
RULE #1: Nick did not let Natalie die or kill her. Nat's alive.
RULE #2: When in doubt, see Rule #1.
There. I feel much better now. And it's the only way I can bear to
watch "LK" much less remain emotionally involved with FK. To
think otherwise is to think that TPTB are being deliberately
malicious, callous, reprehensible, unfeeling, unthinking, cold, um....
<reaching for thesaurus, looking up synonyms for "evil"> monstrous,
corrupt, foul, depraved, nefarious... you get the idea. Thinking that
Nat died would also make me think that TPTB had not a hint of a
clue about what the show, or the character of Nick Knight, is about
anymore. That would not only make me very, very sad, it would
make me very, very angry and bitter toward the show, which has
given me so much. I can't accept even the possibility of this final
blow to the series and its fans.
Lisa W. * redjasper@e.......
...trying to hum and think happy thoughts...
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:55:24 -0400
From: Diane Shea <KerrRaven@a.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight - Silly question
Laurie asked about LaCroix's statement of;
>>"Life is like a ripe peach."
Did they have peaches in Rome back in the first century? I know Italy is one
of the largest exporters of peaches today, but did they have them in Lucius
the General's time?<<
If this has been answered 10 times already sorry, I live in digest-land. :)
At the moment I'm looking at a picture of "Peaches and a Glass Jar" in my
art history book. It's part of a wall painting from Herculaneum (a neighbor
city to Pompeii) circa 50 A.D. These peaches are green, but they are
peaches.
>>Laurie, who still thinks it an odd metaphor for a vampire to use. Has
LaCroix been missing peaches for 2,000 years?<<
Well let's hope there's some reason for them to use lines like this!
--Cousin Diane
Eternal Seducer
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:00:37 -0700
From: Sandra Chew <sandra@s.......>
Subject: Divia's and Nick's hair
Hi!
I just finished watching AtA again, and is it just me, or does Divia's
hairstyle look like Nick's--espcially in the last scene when Divia is
talking to LC? They both seem to have dry ends, with similar combed back
styles...
Sandra
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:02:36 -0700
From: Idalia Kakesako <idaliak@i.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Ashes--dialogue; song
Cousin Diane, the Eternal Seducer, wrote:
>Just be glad Nick didn't hug him and say "I'm here for you man!"
Thanks, Diane. Now I'm having visions of Nick as that guy from those
beer commercials:
"I love you, man," Nick says, teary-eyed, trying to steal LaCroix's
last bottle of blood.
Karen/Ceirdwin wrote:
>Does anyone know what that song was that was playing in the Raven?
Could you possibly be referring to "The Hunger" which appears on Fred
Mollin's FK Soundtrack? I had the most difficult time concentrating on
LaCroix's and Nick's very important dialogue in the Raven because I was
amazed that I owned the music that was playing in the background.
Idalia Kakesako <idaliak@i.......>
Light Cousin with NatPack sympathies
"Sorry, LaCroix, but your eyebrows hypnotized me."
--Nick via Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:50:01 -0400
From: Karen Kasting <KatrynK@a.......>
Subject: Vacancy, and not a moment too soon
Our fantasies tell us a great deal about ourselves. One is free to fantasize
about whatever one chooses, however, keeping in mind the difference between
the real and the imagined is critical.
One of the women I brought across early in the 3rd season thought Vacant was
easy on the eyes. I told her to keep watching, and the more she knew about
him, the less there would be to like. This happened; like me, she writes
fiction and is aware of how characters work and are worked upon us. She
realized she was making up Vacant's character in order to make him tolerable;
he was very much a reprehensible creep, based on the information given.
Remember, Vacant's the one who waxed nostalagic about the good old days of
easy rape (talk to a rape survivor if you find the notion of rape at all
romantic or attractive), who ran away from a vow for *hundreds* of years, and
who apparently had *no* regrets about all the killing he had done. Consider
that after Divia attacked him, Vacant crawled home and commited suicide;
Nick pulled himself together after Divia's attack--he must have been in the
same kind of pain--and went to *save* LaCroix. Keep the on-screen Vacant
sorted out from the *imagined* Vacant of fanfic.
Now, if your idea of a Great Guy is a remorseless rapist and murderer who
cannot keep a promise to a (supposedly holy) woman for 24 hours, that is your
choice. My tastes in friends, lovers and hero(ines) are much more
orthodox--I have expectations of honor, decency and courage, and I just
cannot waste time or myself on decorative types who might look nice out on
the lawn but who are not to be relied upon or trusted.
Karen Kasting
KatrynK@a.......
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 01:58:16 GMT
From: Karen Parker <horcgal@u.......>
Subject: Ashes to Ashes spoiler stuff
Ok, I'm sorry I got my wires crossed and thought Apache was talking about
being able to post after 9 p.m. on the spoiler list when it was actually
the V-loop.
I keep reading posts about why LaCroix would whack Divia just for coming on
to him. I personally don't think that was the only reason why he gave her a
permanent hair cut.
They were, I assume, buried inside that tomb thingy after Pompeii was
covered in ashes from the volcano...(sorry if thats not exactly right, my
history stinks) Anyway, they are trapped for years waiting to be dug out of
the ashes with only each other for company. Now Divia seems like quite a
*itch long before she was "scorned" by LC. I think I would whack her too
after 20 years in the same room!
With this "kid" telling a "general" what to do, how to do it, and that he
should be giving her his undying gratitude for saving his life. And all the
while saying "I didnt like "my" master telling me what to do so I killed
him" Well, seems like you're doing the same thing to LC honey!
I "really" need to see those first/sec. season eps. I feel like I'm missing
so much when it comes to the flashbacks!! I, being a person who can easily
create my own story to fill in the gaps, find myself lost when reading
posts about "brothels" and "illegitimate children" but thanx to all of you
who have e-mailed and posted letting me know all the cool stuff I've
missed.
Ok, I'll stop rambling now........
Ceirdwin
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 22:01:21 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT
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> >Now, I'm really confused....Not that I doubt you, but are you sure all he
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> Well I'll put it to you this way. Nick bites Natalie on the left side and
> when she is lying on the floor her head is turned to the left. Nick leans
> down over her right side. This is about the time he tells LaCroix that he
> can't condemn her to this darkness (Kind of hard to drink and talk at the
> same time). They pull away and you see him kissing her on her right cheek.
> Her head is still turned the same way to the left and there are no bite
> marks on the right side of her neck.
OK, that seems pretty clear to me, then...... It's not a good ending by
a long shot but at least they didn't add insult to injury by having him
actually do it to her twice. I still think she should have rolled credits
just after Nat told him to make love to her....
John
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