FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 19
May 12, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 19
TOPICS:
SPOILER: Ashes to Ashes (4)
Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- serious (3)
Quick Question - AtA spoiler (5)
Francesca -- details details
Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes - shallow
Mini-spoiler: Last Knight
SPOILER: AtA, self fulfilling prophecy
Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- waves
Spoiler: Ashes to Ashes waves
SPOILER: Ashes the Ashes
Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- "Embers"
Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes (2)
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 04:12:58 -0500
From: MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Ashes to Ashes
I feel like the coroner in the X-Files vampire episode: "You are really
disturbing me. On several levels."
Speaking of which (a bit of comedy before we enter the long dark post):
Reese: "C'mon Nick, the truth is out there!"
Nick: "Yeah, but just maybe not in our jurisdiction."
Somebody knows their audience damn well.
Well, I knew what was coming; Urse and Vachon 'dead', Divia back from it,
Nick taking a hit but coming back. I haven't read any of the last week's
spoilers, just the plot summaries from a month or so ago. This is all off
the top of my head on second viewing. But still... I wasn't ready for this
[Let me add, that I think we can resurrect everyone except Divia and
Urse---I believe the usual Metro Coroner disposal method is incineration]
Maybe it was the sight of the normally unflappable Lacroix actually ---
cringing, dare I say it, at the sight of the graverobber in the freezer.
Ooooo, and that was almost beyond my gross-out threshold. I like this show
in spite of a little blood here and there, not because of it....
No. I think it was Divia's little-girl-lost act, luring Vachon in, and then
CHOMP. What a scary bit of work this actress is. Watching the pint-size
vampire throw big, tough Vachon, Lacroix, and Nick around like Barbie dolls
is way up there on the scare-o-meter.
Or maybe it was the someone's-watching-you direction. <shiver>
Whatever it was. This one got to me.
I'm not not not going to get into questions of good and evil here. Too
many issues; let me just say... I'm really glad Divia is dead. Fun as she
was to watch, she's far too scary.
Fun:
Watching Lacroix get arrested. The interview was priceless... and
Reese's evaluation of LC was dead-on.("He's guilty of SOMETHING!")
Vachon and Tracy making equally blank, what-do-YOU-know? eyes at
each other inside the parked car.
Lacroix doing his impression of "Scared Straight" on the cowering
inmates of the jail. {"Clearly I have a future as a positive influence on
the disenfranchised.."} (Really, really cooooolll... hee hee hee)
Divia. As I said, genuinely scary; the idea of her mind
overwhelming Urse's and Vachon's is not inconceivable. Why did I enjoy
watching her? Probably because, like the actress who played Francesca last
week, she is one of those who "gets" how to play a vampire. Convincing! And
complex. And I could almost feel sorry for the brat... if she weren't so
VIOLENT and cold.
The irony! The wonderful irony. Nick tried to kill Lacroix two
years ago. Lacroix tried to kill Divia two thousand years ago. Divia DID
kill her master. Talk about one of those family cycles of violence.
Oh, and continuity. This thing had more continuity than any other
episode so far, both to FEVER and A More Permanent Hell, and to the series
as a whole.
[And eyebrows weren't even an issue in this ep. :) But I liked
Divia's leather outfit. Did she rip it off the graverobber, or what?]
Not Fun at All:
I'm very bummed Urse is dead. What a waste. Of character, of
potential, of time. Should've done more with her while they had the chance.
I'm very, very bummed that Vachon is dead; and I'm almost as bummed
that Tracy still doesn't know about Nick, and there's no one she can tell
about Vachon. [Who's going to write the first fic of Lacroix wiping Trace's
memory of Vachon's death? hmm?] I still dont' think Vachon can't be
resurrected; hey, if Divia can come back after all that time and
decapitation, then Vachon can recover after a short dirt nap.
Obviously, telling if a vamp is dead is pretty difficult. Nat
missed the boat entirely on Monica/Jacqueline in "Hearts of Darkness";
Divia came back; Lacroix survived staking first season; Vachon can be
alive. Apache, go to it! It's all in the eye of the beholder, and I
wouldn't write a death certificate for him or Screed yet.
Divia crying at the end... "Daddy, save me..." Ohh, sad, scary, get
me out of here now...
Enjoyable, but Not Fun:
Lacroix feeling isolated, and Nick comforting him. (Awww!!!)
The flashback. Like I said, disturbing... I feel sorry for this
amoral, cruel, selfish little monster. Daddy's Girl really has no limits,
does she? I think the Enforcers would have gotten to her sooner or later,
if Lacroix hadn't taken her out. So Lacroix might have had the right idea.
On the other hand, the idea of having her as his master for the rest of
time might have pushed him over the edge too. It's a toss-up.
Tracy and Vachon. There should have been more, damnit. But what
there was, was good. More of a suicide on Vachon's part than anything,
although Tracy was holding the stake. I STILL can't believe Nick didn't
tell her the truth. This can't end so, so, anti-climactically! ["Tracy..."
"I'm here---" "Wish me luck..."]
Natalie worried about Nick; and that tender look that Nick gives
her with the "don't worry, I'll watch my back". (Which just about
guarantees the next bit, doesn't it?)
Divia vs. Lacroix. The fight 'til the death.
Sometimes on this show, you know who's going to win too soon. I
knew Lacroix would come out of this alive---but I wasn't sure HOW or IF
Divia were going to die. This fight was actually worth the entrance
ticket. Lacroix willing to die, until Divia taunts him with killing Nick.
Divia's pushing him around like an action figure, LC trying to kill her and
failing, then... Nick saves the day.
How? His goodness? The fact that he was older than Vachon and Urse?
The blood connection to Lacroix and Divia? Contrariness? I don't know why
Nick is still alive, but whatever the reason, I'm glad he saved Lacroix.
And prevented Lacroix from saving Divia. {How did Nick get there if the
sun was shining? Details details don't bother me with details...}
Good judgement call on Nick's part, letting Tracy remember about
vampires. Although, I hope this means she has a chance at figuring out the
truly obvious in our... sob. Last episode!! Weep.
I can't believe it's almost over.
I just can't.
Christina, going into shock here, guys vqrw76a@p.......
"O, if, I say, you look upon this verse/ Do not so much as my poor name
rehearse,/ But let your love even with my life decay,/ Lest the wise world
should look into your moan/ And mock you with me after I am gone."Sonnet 71
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 02:15:40 -0700
From: Bonnela <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- serious
I have to say right here that this ep was way too short. It could very
easily have been a two-hour movie -- should have been! There was so much
stuff crammed into this ep. So many stories to tell in greater detail.
I loved the interaction between LC and Nick in this ep -- very moving. I
think Nick's compassion for LC surprised them both.
And Nigel's acting was superb! *This* is award winning material!!! The
subtlety of his facial expressions, his body language, all throughout the ep
-- excellent! He said more with the miriade of expressions that crossed his
face in that scene with Urs and Vachon in the Raven than could ever have
been expressed in words! You can't see me, but I am *standing* <clap, clap,
clap, clap, clap>
As always, Vachon, Tracy, and Urs were under-utilized! Though, I must admit
that Urs, who had the shortest death scene, had the best/most-intense one.
Why was she the only one of the three who fought back? She and Divia really
went at it in that elevator -- guess Urs wasn't so eager to die after all!
Vachon and Nick just kinda took it from her -- guess they were paying
attention when their moms told them never to hit a girl.<G>
I thought it very interesting that, when Urs left Vachon in his demented
state, she went to see Nick and not LaCroix. Perhaps LC's reaction to her
and Vachon at the beginning of the ep put her off? Or is there just
something about Nick that attracts damsels in distress? A nice contrast
with Tracy -- both blondes ask what is wrong and who wounded him. Urs goes
to get help and Tracy stays to comfort him.
The scene where Vachon is kneeling down in front of Tracy as she holds a
stake to his heart -- this was so familiar, like I have seen the pose in a
painting or something. It was almost like the 'classic' marriage proposal
-- down on one knee -- but it was so much holier, like a humble worshipper
praying to the Madonna. Was anyone else struck by this? Anyone have any
idea what I'm talking about?
I would like to solicit opinions on what Tracy said to Vachon during his
death scene. She mumbles and I am not sure I believe what the closed
captioning says.
V: "Tracy?
T: <mumble mumble>
V: "Wish me luck."
Is it "I love you" "Javier" "I'm here" or something else?
ObWeird FK Comment: I have *seen* the final LC/Nick scene before -- I don't
know how or where, but I *have* seen it!
Time to rant about Nick the BRICK!
I am so mad at this guy! How dare he take away Tracy's memory of Vachon's
death -- has this guy never heard of closure? He thinks it will be easier
if Tracy thinks Vachon just moved on, but it won't be -- anyone remember
Nat's reaction to Nick's attempt to slip away without telling her in 'Black
Buddha'? If Tracy has half the feelings for Vachon which she displayed when
hugging and comforting him when she first arrived at the church, then she
will react the way Apache wrote her in "But You Can't Make Him Drink." *I*
would much rather *know* that he is dead than to *think* that he didn't care
enough to stay.
And yet, *the Brick* allows her to remember the existance of vampires.
<Hello? McFly? Is there anyone in there?> It was pretty obvious that LC
could make her forget about the existance of vampires if he wanted to, but
nooooo -- "That was his gift to her; we have no right to take that away."
So, leave her with the knowledge that might get her killed by the Enforces
(and what a thoughtful gift it was, too -- remind me *not* to tell you when
my birthday is), yet take away the comfort of knowing Vachon didn't jilt
her. Better to make her forget everything, or nothing and let her know that
Nick is a vampire and that Nat knows, so at least those two can
commisserate. I sure hope Nat bops him one good when she finds out what
he's asked LC to do!
Now about the duration of the ep -- one night only, right? So, how long did
it take for Nick to recover from Divia's attack? He showed up at the Raven
in pretty short order, it seemed to me, looking none the worse for wear.
And *why* was LC so surprised when Divia told him Nick was dead? Couldn't
he feel the connection or lack thereof? Or had he just been too preoccupied
to notice?
Bonnie (callalily@l.......)
The Vaqueros have a New, Ultra Cool, Not-To-Be-Missed Web Page!!! Prepare
yourself to be blown away! Lots of drop dead pictures! <g>
Check it out at http://users.lanminds.com/~callalily/
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:04:59 -0400
From: Melissa Puzio <miss68@p.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Ashes to Ashes
All I have to say at this point is : WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Cousinly heart is
panting (over the emotionality and more shots of Uncle in flashback garb :D)
Real comments tomorrow after I get some sleep
Does this mean I can't use the "she was drugged dammit!!" speech anymore?
Cousin Mel
*NatVampCamp*Valentine*Chiante Drinking Member of the Thong Throng*
*High Priestess of Jagrism at Temple Nedved*
miss68@p......., Penchk68@a......., or CousinMel@p.......
If any of the Pens mailing list people are wondering what that other stuff
is about, its a Forever Knight thang"
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 02:33:07 -0700
From: Sherri <sherric@e.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- serious
On Sun, 12 May 1996, Bonnela <callalily@l.......> wrote:
>She mumbles and I am not sure I believe what the closed captioning says:
>V: "Tracy?
>T: <mumble mumble>
>V: "Wish me luck."
She says: "I'm here"
Sherri sherric@e....... Founding Member, SFKS
Save FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:23:51 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Question - AtA spoiler
John wrote:
>newsgroup) that the bodies of FK vampires burn up or "vanish" once they die.
>Is there any support to this theory? Judging by AtA, I'd say this isn't true
>but I seem to remember this same question popped up when "Fever" first aired
>(and they were wondering what was left of Screed).
I can't recall ever seeing a vampire body in FK vanish once the vampire
dies. Unless you set it on fire or leave it in the sun. Does anybody know
for sure? There are still a lot of 1st season eps I haven't seen.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:17:21 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Question - AtA spoiler
At 07:23 AM 5/12/96 -0500, Cousin Tippi wrote:
>
>I can't recall ever seeing a vampire body in FK vanish once the vampire
dies. Unless you set it on fire or leave it in the sun. Does anybody know
for sure? There are still a lot of 1st season eps I haven't seen.
>
Yea, it happens in "I Will Repay" when Nick stakes Nat's Brother
Richard...he sort of flares up and disappears.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:32:31 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Francesca -- details details
At 10:54 PM 5/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Bonnela wrote:
>OBspoiler: Why would LC have chosen Chevalier for Nick's pseudonym anyway?
>Has someone been reading your EC stories? -- it reminded me much more of
>'Duvalier' than of 'Knight.'
Umm, yeah, okay. :) It's those strange powers of mine, you know. ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:35:29 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes - shallow
Bonnela wrote:
>Great hair! Great cape! Great scene at the Reaven with JDV and LC! Great
>cat fight scene in Nick's elevator! If you gotta go, go out in style!
I agree! I've always loved that vampchick's hair! And the cape was so...
perfect.
>On to Nat -- this woman looks terrific! Not many scenes in the last two
>eps, but she has been captivating in all of them. Who does her hair? I
>don't think it has looked better all season. It finally looks like she got
>a good night's sleep, too!
I was thinking this, too. Her face looked really nice, not tired or drawn.
>Nick, Vachon, Divia -- they could all use a bit of extra conditioner! Oh,
>and those bangs on Vachon are absolutely painful to look at (and I *know*
>bangs).
Some people have bad hair days. Others have bad hair milennia!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:30:05 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Ashes to Ashes
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I don't think I could possibly say anymore than what has been said already.
I agree with just about everyone's take on the ep, and the emotion is very,
very high.
I do want to answer (was it Bonnie) who seemed so upset with Nick's having
Tracy forget that Vachon died. Do you really think it would be easier for
her to sleep nights with the memory of Vachon impaling himself on the stake
in her hands? I don't think so. She cared about him, and made the statement
that she really didn't think they would work because the "evil" she felt in
him scared her, so it's not as if she would feel hurt for long that he left.
I'm sure if he was going to bother to plant that it was time for Vachon to
move on, he would plant that they had a fitting farwell so there would be
closure. I know if I cared for someone at all, I wouldn't want to remember
them dying in front me for any reason, and I would welcome being made to
forget. It's the same theory I have for funeral homes. The last memory I
want of a person is a happy one, when they were alive, not looking at them
laid out unnaturally in a coffin. Some folks say it's necessary for some
kind of "closure", I don't think so, it just continues to haunt me.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:46:25 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Question - AtA spoiler
Dotti wrote:
>Yea, it happens in "I Will Repay" when Nick stakes Nat's Brother
>Richard...he sort of flares up and disappears.
<Continuity-fueled brain working overtime here...> Umm... Maybe it's
because he was really really new? I gotta have hope that Screed will
return! I will not give up hope!! :)
WCT
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:35:14 -0500
From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Ashes to Ashes
On Sun, 12 May 1996, MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR wrote:
> [Let me add, that I think we can resurrect everyone except Divia and
> Urse---I believe the usual Metro Coroner disposal method is incineration]
"Everyone." So that would be Vachon.... and the grave robber? ;)
I've got a totally unfounded theory as to how Nick might have survived.
(Hey, I was an English major; all we do is come up with totally unfounded
theories. ;) We all noticed the lovely symbolism with his head lying on
the sun. And we remember LaCroix' statement that the sun symbol on the
sarcophagus kept Divia in check. And you would have had to have been
watching with the sound turned down if you didn't get that Divia was
supposed to be "Evil" with a capital E. What if the same symbolism that
repelled Divia gave Nick strength to fight back? I'd like to think that
all his years of striving more or less determinedly toward mortality
would have some effect on him. So, in that case, maybe LaCroix was
right. Maybe Nick's "resurgent goodness" *did* have something to do with
it.
Sarah
welshkin@d.......
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:44:54 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Question - AtA spoiler
At 07:46 AM 5/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
><Continuity-fueled brain working overtime here...> Umm... Maybe it's
because he was really really new? I gotta have hope that Screed will
return! I will not give up hope!! :)
>
This makes sense. And the fact that both Screed's and Vachon's body stayed
in tact will keep that door open. We'll get 'em back, never you mind......
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:52:43 -0500
From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject: Mini-spoiler: Last Knight
Just read the TV schedule's blurb for Last Knight:
"The death of a close friend makes Natalie realize her feelings for Nick,
forcing him to choose between her and eternal life."
He doesn't want eternal life anyway! Or, at least, he didn't until maybe
this season. Do you suppose they did this on purpose to build the
tension? I have to admit I squealed when I read this. I haven't exactly
avoided spoilers for LK, but I hadn't heard about this. We actually get
to end with Nick-n-Nat episode? Oh, wow. Can't wait. I read spoilers
for AtA, but I just can't for this one. I don't want to know until I know.
Sarah
welshkin@d.......
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:08:24 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: SPOILER: AtA, self fulfilling prophecy
SPOILER FOR ASHES:
Okay, it's been a few hours since I've seen Ashes, and I think I've started
to absorb it now. What an emotional buffet, jeez!
Self-fulfilling prophecy: I thought it was a nice three-way parallel in that
Divia killed her master, Lacroix killed his master, then Nick killed
(temporarily!) *his* master. THANK YOU, whoever wrote this ep, for giving
us a little continuity here. Now I can understand, in my own mind anyway,
why LC and Nick's relationship has been so stormy. I mean, LC probably
didn't have a lot of faith in the Parent-Child relationship, not after
knowing what Divia did to her "parent" and then what he turned right around
and did to *his*. You get to believe something so much that you begin to
act in subconscious ways to make it a reality. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Maybe he believed all along -- could not believe otherwise, given his
experience -- that Nick would turn on him one day. Sigh. Gawd, what a
great relationship.
But I can see where things go back to the "way they were". I mean, it's
hard to erase almost 2000 years of baggage! I can see where LC would either
distance himself or do something characteristically wicked. A part of me
even WANTS it to happen that way. However, another part of me, the Unnamed
Faction part, wants the two of them to rent a condo together and set up house.
I agree with Bonnela about Nick's request to whammy Trace into thinking
Vachon had just skipped town is poorly thought out. A gal needs closure!
Trust me on this one! All my boyfriends skip town for some reason, and it
just BITES! Anyway, I also agree with Dotti that letting her remember that
she was holding the stake that killed Vachon is a bad idea. I'm hoping LC
will utilize his newfound sensitivity (the Wicked Cousin in me shudders) to
make Tracy think that Vachon staked himself. It's a good compromise.
I'm still tingly. Does the tingly thing go away after a while?
If NB doesn't get the Gemini for this truly inspiring performance, then
something is screwy with the universe. It was just... perfect.
WCT
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 09:06:18 +0000
From: "Laura W. Petix" <lpetix@d.......>
Subject: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- waves
> V: "Tracy?
> T: <mumble mumble>
> V: "Wish me luck."
>
> Is it "I love you" "Javier" "I'm here" or something else?
Yes, it's "Javier." (Which she pronounces very badly). Take it from
someone who is nearly brain-dead from spending all night making waves
for you guys. Let's see, "Ashes to Ashes" was over at midnight, and
it's now 8:57. Hmmm.
> The Vaqueros have a New, Ultra Cool, Not-To-Be-Missed Web Page!!! Prepare
> yourself to be blown away! Lots of drop dead pictures! <g>
>
> Check it out at http://users.lanminds.com/~callalily/
I am *by no means* a Vaquera, but this is a very nicely put together
website. Good job, you slackers.
I'm feeling kindly towards the Vaqueros tonight (who knows why) and
have put included lots of Vachon waves in my new "Ashes to Ashes"
collection (as well as a depraved amount of Divia, and, of course,
Lucius--ah, that is, LaCroix.)
Sphinx Laura (the LaCroix/Nick *slash* faction ;-)
(Can I start a LaCroix/Divia faction, or is that just too sick??)
lpetix@d.......
FK Waves: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/waves/
Lucard's Home Page: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/lucard/
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 09:27:30 +0000
From: "Laura W. Petix" <lpetix@d.......>
Subject: Spoiler: Ashes to Ashes waves
I guess I'd better announce my new waves collection on the spoiler
list this time, since the entire thing consists of "Ashes to Ashes"
spoilers. I've spent all night making a huge collection--far too
many to fit online at once--so the rest will probably go up in a
few weeks; I'll want to do "Last Knight" next Sunday.
This was a very enjoyable episode, with shades of some of my
favourites from better days--"Dead Air," "Dark Knight," and
"Curiouser & Curiouser." The best part, though, was when Divia
quoted Klaus (from "Dracula: the Series") exactly, even using the
same inflection. I nearly died laughing. "You and, as they say,
whose army?" indeed! Is that Lalonde and Bedard's favourite line, or
what?
Here are the waves online now, at:
http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/waves/
Reese: Assuming you didn't put it there after they left.
LaCroix: Yessss. Assuming that. (47.9KB)
Vachon: You forget--time is relative. (17.6KB)
LaCroix: Clearly I have a future as a sobering influence on the
disenfranchised. (39.6KB)
Lucius: Did you take revenge on his killer?
Divia: I could hardly have done so, Lucius, since I killed him.
(76.2KB)
Vachon: I can't stand the pleasure! (18.3KB)
LaCroix: You're still listening to the show? I'm flattered. (22.0KB)
Divia: Let us do what must not be done. Make love to me, father!
(40.7KB)
Divia: Daughter, mother, lover... why can't I be all three? You need
someone to love, Lucius, and I need you! (71.3KB)
Nick: You had no choice but to destroy her.
LaCroix: I had a choice! I could have done as Divia asked. (72.6KB)
Nick: If you need me...
LaCroix: Thank you, Nicholas. (60.4KB)
Vachon: It has to go right through my heart. (23.1KB)
Vachon's last words: Wish me luck. (8.37KB)
LaCroix: You are a sick, depraved little girl. (39.4KB)
LaCroix: Even I have my limits, Divia.
Divia: Then you are as weak as those we preyed upon! (55.1KB)
Divia: Are you going to stop me, General? You and, as they say, whose
army? (57.1KB)
Divia: Poor Father. Does it hurt? Tell me where it hurts. (60.0KB)
Divia's death scene:
Divia: Father--
LaCroix: Divia--
Nick: No.
Divia: Don't let me die.
LaCroix: Divia!
Nick: No!
Divia: Father...
(81.4KB)
Nick: Good night, LaCroix.
LaCroix: Nicolas. (44.5KB)
Good night. It's 9:25 and time for me to go to bed.
Sphinx Laura ;-) lpetix@d.......
FK Waves: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/waves/
Lucard's Home Page: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/lucard/
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:32:32 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Ashes the Ashes
Well, I just finished watching Ashes to Ashes (all except about 30
seconds (?) at the end which my VCR cut off, right when Nick was leaving
LaCroix with Divia's body). I do believe I have a new favorite episode, or
at least a tie with AMPH (do we see a pattern?).
Nigel, if you're reading this, that was an absolutely glorious
performance. You pulled off perfectly LaCroix's hidden pain, brought to
light, as opposed to Nick's angst. It will be a long time before I get over
the image of LaCroix's face when he recognized Divia's voice on the phone.
Again, kudos. I can't really say enough about it, nor describe it the way
it should be described. (bow) You are truly a master of your art.
* Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng * LA *
* Charter Unnamed * Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed Miklos * Darkest Knightie *
* NatPack Sympathizer * Queen of I Need Sleep * Hot Flash Disguised as a Woman
*
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:41:18 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- serious
Bonnie asked:
>The scene where Vachon is kneeling down in front of Tracy as she holds a
>stake to his heart -- this was so familiar, like I have seen the pose in a
>painting or something.
I call it the "Garden of Gesthemane" pose, myself. <g> With Vachon's big brown
eyes raised and that soulful look upward, it's almost an exact duplicate of the
pose classic Christian religious art always puts Christ in when he's having
doubts in the garden. :)
Diane E
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 08:51:47 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes -- "Embers"
Laura wrote:
>Yes, it's "Javier." (Which she pronounces very badly). Take it from
>someone who is nearly brain-dead from spending all night making waves
>for you guys. Let's see, "Ashes to Ashes" was over at midnight, and
>it's now 8:57. Hmmm.
See, I told ya it's because Trace can't pronounce it! ;) That's why she
says Vachon. She knew from the beginning that she couldn't pronounce it, so
she doesn't usually try. I have the same problem with my brother's friend
Javier. I just call him "Hi there".
>Sphinx Laura (the LaCroix/Nick *slash* faction ;-)
So is the Sphinx faction the same thing as the Unnamed Faction, or is it a
splinter group? I thought the Sphinx was the *symbol* for the Unnamed
faction. Of course, I've been nomail for quite a while... You people might
have made decisions in my absence. ;)
>(Can I start a LaCroix/Divia faction, or is that just too sick??)
Well, yes, it's sick, but who cares? ;) Do it anyway. I think it should be
called "Embers" in honor of Diane Shea's fic by the same name. She posted a
story a couple weeks ago that almost parallels Divia's seduction scene in AtA.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
Charter Member of the Unnamed Faction
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:44:09 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes
>I loved the scene at the end when LaCroix suggested that there might be
>something useful about Nick's "resurgent goodness" after all, that perhaps
>Nick survived because his good triumphed over evil. Nick could have taken
>advantage of that, to try to press his philosopy on LaCroix, but he
> didn't;Carrie, Slovenly Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
It's hard to judge someone when you're blinded by your love for them.
--Mother Teresa
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:09:33 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Re: Spoilers: Ashes to Ashes
Margie wrote:
>I loved the scene at the end when LaCroix suggested that there might be
>something useful about Nick's "resurgent goodness" after all, that perhaps
>Nick survived because his good triumphed over evil. Nick could have taken
>advantage of that, to try to press his philosopy on LaCroix, but he didn't;
Yes. The scene becomes even more poignant for me when LaCroix agrees to leave
Tracy's memories of the existance of vampires intact as Nick asked him to.
This was a father and son who cared for each other, who NEEDED each other. It
was a wonderful scene.
Other things I noticed:
The scene with Nick and Divia at the loft. The look on Nick's face as he
tells her "You've come her to kill me." It's the, I know a secret kind of
look. I think he knew he would be injured but had already realized he could
survive. He didn't even vamp out during the struggle like Urs did. And the
ending shot with Nick unconscious on the painting of the sun, man oh man oh
man oh man, what wonderful imagery. Kudos to Jon Cassar!
To Nigel, be prepared for another Gemini pal. What a performance. I believe
the best for this character yet. Loved the range of emotions. Loved
especially, the scenes in the precinct with Reese, Tracy and in the holding
cell. If there was comedic relief, Nigel provided it. Throughout the whole ep
I laughed, shouted, cried and whispered encouragement. All because of the
riveting performance from this very talented actor, and this for a character
I have worked very hard to dislike (I am a Knightie after all).
The scene between Nick and Nat in the morgue made sense to me. Nick reassured
Nat with that touch to the face, Nat shared her concern with her words and
her expression. What was left unspoken was as telling as what was said. It
was a precious moment.
Vachon and Tracy--
I don't get the scene in the car when Tracy pronounces her understanding of
the 'evil' in Vachon. Where did that come from? There wasn't any perkiness in
that. I understand her thinking that there is a simularity between Vachon and
LaCriox, but why not Nick? She said in MBiaV that Nick is like Vachon in a
lot of ways, yet she had never made the leap to vampire with Nick, and did
almost instantly with LaCroix. I don't think she trusts her own instincts.
The emotion of the death scene in the church was a bit subdued, I thought.
Tracy shed more tears at her disappointment in Vachon in BB than she did at
his death. I am sorry to see Vachon go, though.
Divia. The continuity with the tone of her character was wonderful. She felt
menacing in AMPH, and the menace was carried forward very well. She had a
cold, calculating menace. A true daughter of LaCroix, "amplified a hundred
times". Interesting that LaCroix had only three individuals in his life close
enough to him to warrant killing before he was 'alone'.
I guess that's all for now. Wonderful stuff, this. One more <heavy sigh>.
Carrie, Slovenly Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
It's hard to judge someone when you're blinded by your love for them.
--Mother Teresa
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:13:09 -0400
From: Lisa Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Question - AtA spoiler
>Dotti wrote:
>
>>Yea, it happens in "I Will Repay" when Nick stakes Nat's Brother
>>Richard...he sort of flares up and disappears.
Tippi wrote:
> Umm... Maybe it's because he was really really new? I gotta
>have hope that Screed will return! I will not give up hope!! :)
Actually, if you go back and rewatch that episode, I think Richard
flares up and disappears because Nick has pushed him into the
sunlight that is streaming through the window.
Lisa
Mercenary**Cousin**Valentine**QoE**MBDtK
The Forgotten L -- Third over to the right -- Deserter of the Ls
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