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Logfile LOG9605 Part 9

May 5-May 6, 1996

File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 9

	TOPICS:
	SPOILER: Francesca  (6)
	Francesca--Bovine Implications  (4)
	Francesca--Bovine Implications & other ruminations
	SPOILER: Francesca Thoughts and Musings  (2)
	Francesca - Vampire Life <was -- A Few words (spoilers)>  (2)
	SPOILERS: Francesca  (6)

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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 17:20:22 -0700
From:         Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject:      SPOILER: Francesca

Valery writes:
> And as potential vampire victims, how can we honestly disagree? If Lacroix
> decided to make a meal of you (and make you dead!) are any of us going to
> give in gracefully because it's "part of his nature?" I really don't
> think so.

No, of course not.  But then, when's the last time you saw a cow
"give in gracefully"  No prey gives in gracefully (or it gets wiped
out fast!)-- that doesn't mean the predator is either "evil"
or morally wrong.

Christina K.:
>children of Lacroix! No guessing how old she is, but I'll be she's older
>than Janette.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to *ask*! <g>), but
why are we assuming she's older? I have to rewatch the ep again
(on many, many different fronts), but was there some comment
that indicated that? [If not, she could well be younger-- only
400 years, maybe?-- and simply not have met Nick before.]

And did we see any indication that LC _wasn't_ royally p*ssed
off at Problem Child for killing Chip-off-the-old-block
Daughter? Just because he's apparently forgiven Nick by 1996
doesn't mean Nick didn't catch hell for it at the time ;-)


And I want to say something in <gasp> Tracy's defense--
when it comes to not recognizing "N. Chevalier" as a past
name of Nick's. Fun as it was to groan as she almost-
didn't-quite-is-she-isn't-she-gonna-make-the-connection,
I can't blame her for it. There are a lot of people out
there with similar names. And you've got to remember,
because she (thinks she) knows all about vampires and
she has "proof"-- see BB2-- that her partner _isn't_ one,
it would take something really obvious to make her see it
(and I'm not getting into whether that's already happened
or not! ;-).

"Chevalier" is *obvious* to us, as it was to Vachon,
because we know Nick _has_ past names. Even if Tracy
made the translation, I can see it being perfectly
legitimate for her to respond with "Hey Nick!  Isn't
that weird.  He had the same name as you."  Face it,
it's not that uncommon a name, and Tracy was definitely
_not- operating from a "the past killer was a vampire,
therefore he may very well *still be around someplace*"
perspective. Had she made that critical mental connection
at any other point, then I agree, she should have gotten it.

Deb asks:
> So I didn't feel compelled to shred this one. Or even to throw socks
> at the TV.  (Dianne, do you think I am getting soft in my old age?).

Could be, dearest... could be. <g>  As for me, I'm going to
have to rewatch this one tonight because I was apparently
watching an alternate reality episode last night (was I
feverish and didn't know it???) in which the constant repetition
of the flashback scenes _really_ got on my nerves and slowed
the story way down to almost yawn-level. :(

Dianne
Dianne la Mercenaire...   -*-   <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 20:28:12 -0400
From:         Karen Kasting <KatrynK@a.......>
Subject:      Francesca--Bovine Implications

Given the description of what human blood does for vampires, does this then
mean that every time Nick drinks down cow's blood he has all manner of
insights into bovine memory and experience?  (And what would cows think
about?  Life in the feedlot?  How is it I keep getting pregnant even though
bulls are only a rumor?  I hate stanchions?)

Karen Kasting
KatrynK@a.......
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 17:39:37 -0700
From:         "Andrew E. Nystrom" <wo991@f.......>
Subject:      Re: Francesca--Bovine Implications

On Sun, 5 May 1996, Karen Kasting wrote:

> Given the description of what human blood does for vampires, does this then
> mean that every time Nick drinks down cow's blood he has all manner of
> insights into bovine memory and experience?

I can just see Nat walking in on Nick one time, just in time to hear him
mooing over some profound bovine experience.
--Andy
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 19:47:22 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Francesca--Bovine Implications & other ruminations

On Sun, 5 May 1996, Karen Kasting <KatrynK@a.......> wrote:
>Given the description of what human blood does for vampires, does this then
>mean that every time Nick drinks down cow's blood he has all manner of
>insights into bovine memory and experience?  (And what would cows think about?

LOL!  Yes, that could be awkward.  I had a similar thought. However, living in
"America's Dairyland", I had images of Janette (or Nick) taking a mouthful of
cow and getting a "flashback" to having the milking machine clamped on one cold
winter morning... <ouch!>

However, I lean toward the idea (for no particular reason) that the 'memories'
fade with time.  After all, if we're comparing blood to wine (and they seem to
be implying that) even the best wine turns to vinegar if you leave it too long.
 And there's that line of Nick's about "it will last two hours at most".

Oh, yeah... anybody else notice that Francesca thought the *abilities*
transferred too? "You can play as well as him now!" or words to that effect....

Puts a whole new spin on why you'd *want* artist/poet/musician blood, if you
were a vampire, doesn't it? <g>

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......  #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 21:09:02 -0400
From:         Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: Francesca Thoughts and Musings

What happened to GER's makeup. He looks real tired.
>>
>
I dunno, but he has looked tired the last few eps. I don't know if it's the
effects of the pressures being put on him to get these last shows out in a
hurry and no budget, or if it's an acting choice on Ger's part to show the
weariness Nick is feeling at this point after the lousy year he's had, or a
combination of both. All I know is it makes me wanna reach out and hold him....

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 20:09:58 -0500
From:         Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: Francesca

On Sun, 5 May 1996, Dianne Therese De Sha wrote:

> Now, correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to *ask*! <g>), but
> why are we assuming she's older?

I think one of the first things we hear from Frank as he's "regressing"
to sex and/or biting with Nick is that Francesca is older than Nick.  The
way he/she said it, I got the impression that older means more than a few
decades.  She could tell from his blood, and the way I heard it, it
sounded like she thought he was a mere infant.  Of course, we don't have
an actual explicit statement to that effect.

Sarah
welshkin@d.......
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 21:19:39 -0400
From:         Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: Francesca

At 05:20 PM 5/5/96 -0700, you wrote:

>Now, correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to *ask*! <g>), but
>why are we assuming she's older?

Because in one of the sessions Frank speaking for Francesca in talking about
Nick says "he is younger than I..."

or something like that.

>
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 21:21:46 -0400
From:         Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: Francesca--Bovine Implications

At 08:28 PM 5/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
> that every time Nick drinks down cow's blood he has all manner of insights
> into bovine memory and experience?

ROTFLMAO!! I think this only applies when it's "fresh from the tap" so to
speak and still warm. Not out of the fridge, coz you never know how long
that cow's been dead. Obviously when Francesca brings Nick that cup she has
freshly killed the musician (forget the name), that's how Nick knows who it
was so quickly.

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 22:04:15 -0400
From:         Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Francesca--Bovine Implications

>Given the description of what human blood does for vampires, does this then
>mean that every time Nick drinks down cow's blood he has all manner of
>insights into bovine memory and experience?  (And what would cows think
>about?  Life in the feedlot?  How is it I keep getting pregnant even though
>bulls are only a rumor?  I hate stanchions?)

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Too funny.

:)=

Carrie, Slovenly Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
It's hard to judge someone when you're blinded by your love for them.
--Mother Teresa
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 18:57:00 -0700
From:         LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: Francesca Thoughts and Musings

Sue wrote:
>
>I just wanted to say - God I am going to miss the show . If they could
>do episodes like this with the budget as small as it was - doesn't it
>tell you something???

Not only that - you just jogged my memory.  Nigel not only did a
fantabulous job directing this episode, but he brought it in UNDER
BUDGET!

Kudos to the man indeed!

Laurie
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 20:59:24 -0500
From:         Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject:      Francesca - Vampire Life <was -- A Few words (spoilers)>

>>> I could probably become a
>>> vegetarian if I wanted to, but if I had to give up meat AND music AND
>>> art...

>Actually, Nick is an artist and musician in his own right.  What he's giving
>up is an intimacy beyond anything mortals can experience!

Yes he's giving up the intimacy, but Nick also says, "It's the way we
experience life."  And in Fever, he describes vampire life by saying,
"It's not a life; it's a shadow of a life."

So, my question is, in what way do vampires not have a life?  And what is
the life they are getting from those whose blood they drink?

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 22:20:36 -0400
From:         Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: Francesca

In a message dated 96-05-05 16:32:00 EDT, Roxanne wrote:

>Reese was probably happy both his detectives were working
>together on the same wavelength for a change, but don't you think
>he was wondering just how come both of them were so knowledgeable
>about the "vampire myth"?  :-)

Actually, I don't think Nick was participating in the discussion.  It was
Tracy and the therapist.  I think he was just hoping it would go away.

Beth
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 19:44:53 -0700
From:         [Name removed by request]
Subject:      SPOILERS: Francesca

Teaser:
Beautiful from the start, if cryptic (not that cryptic can't be beautiful.
Just that it was one of those scenes which are lovely to look at but tell
very little). Editing, the cuts between times periods = <~fingers to lips
'magnifico!' kiss noise~> The breathing track in the background was a good
touch but got me worried about what my suite mates in the other room would
think i was watching.

Body:
That mating dance of Nick and Franny's was interesting - that open mouthed,
Yar!, "Hungry Like a Wolf" thing. And Nick had the hair plumage. Very "Wild
America".

The actor who played Frank - may i commend him and his parents. That's a
great instrument, that voice. Like a lighter James Earl Jones or Lurch. Very
nice. If i had woofers hooked up to my TV i could have better scared my
suite mates.

Nat wouldn't have ruled out a *man* wearing lipstick. i was surprised she
exclusively referred to the then-unknown perp as "she". Right off i thought
Frank could have put on lipstick. There weren't any other characters besides
the doctor and this didn't feel like a "Dark Knight" where you have no idea
whatshisnamehospitalemployee guy even exists until part 2. Was a little
thing but i was very disappointed in Nat. Come on. 'Men'. Don't forget all
those *other* valued lingerie customers.

<le sigh> LC's beautiful. Now, yes, i had a shrunken tub of ice cream before
me and, once again, my usually arrow-straight sleep schedule was disrupted
but my head was still pretty clear for this scene... i tell you, Nick grew
slack-jawed and started staring, the set was suddenly real bright and
trinkety, and then !BOOM! - there was LC in froufrou collar tame enough to
ignore and a smart, dark jacket - all smooth curved lines. <sigh> Beautiful.
Nick had Frankenstein hair but it was a turbulent time, he was an unruly kid
and i was happily distracted, at least for a moment.

Nat on this "woman's" motivation for killing: "Highly repressed sexuality."
<looks at Nick>
Of course *we'd* have CD put a little something extra in that look. Not that
Nick would see if. Maybe if we gave Nat posterboard graphic displays in
bright colours, computer-designed slides, and a pointer stick for a
multimedia presentation on her ticking clock. Think he'd get it? Maybe if we
promised to serve refreshments at the end for those who followed along.
"All right, then. What did we learn?"
"That you are sexually frustrated and have no social life because you're
waiting for me?"
"Very good. Here's a garlic pill and a protein shake to wash it down."

Note to extras casting director: recruit the local high school chamber
orchestra and have those four 'musicians' mingle in the precinct scenes. The
poor guys probably didn't have a tape going that they could play-sinc to.
Never agree to be a musician extra unless they've got a tape going (and will
guarantee in writing - notarized, dated, non-refundable deposit - that
what's on the tape will be what's on the soundtrack for that moment. And
that they will match it during dubbing).

Okay, Nick is going up to compliment the violinist and i'm cringing, i'm
cringing, "Don't say 'Thank you, Mister Mozart...', don't say it..." <whew>
All clear. Of course, once she said "Faubert" (uh, saw the name in the end
credits and promptly forgot it, Faubeur? Forgot. Will check later), i
immediately started racking my brain for names of famous violinists from the
18th Century (for $500, Alex). Blast this show. i'm never going to be able
to relax during a flashback introductions again.

Fran's dark eyes and white hair - like the recent Hellraiser. Spooky,
spooky. Those are horror show eyes that would bleed and water if i ever saw
a pair. Love it. Would have been *really* grotesque if Fran, LC, and Nick
were all powder and caked white skin with fat, black, beetle-like beauty
marks - one on each of their faces - cheek, nose, eyelid. Guess grotesque
wasn't in the plans, dagnabit.

Frank's tripled "I know who he is":
Now this is what i love about certain directors (no, i'm not kissing up,
hush it) - the ones who seem more enthusiastic about the craft, being newer
to calling the shots camera-wise. Experimentation, quirkiness, trying
unconventional angles and cuts, none of that straight-forward, drama of the
week fiddlefaddle. i like seeing the *art* in directing every once in a
while (and it doesn't just have to be for a "vampire" episode. Some of
Fallen Idol's present day scenes were nice and spiced up - the stalled Caddy
in the street, near the end, for example). That's one of the reasons i loved
Ger's first ep so much - the atmosphere he put into it, the things he tried,
techniques he used. Not for the whole ep, of course. If i wanted to be
confused, i'd rent a foreign film.

Tracy is incorportated fine in this one. So far.

Poor Frank. They're gonna know you took it. Steal something else, come on,
be a good thief who cares about the job he's doing. You gotta care about it,
Frank, otherwise you might as well be honest and, idaknow, sue the tapes off
of her.

The morning after: i love the way Ger says "Francesca". It's not a name,
it's a pelvic thrust: "frranCHEscah..." Everybody call me that now, i wanna
cool name. But you gotto say it right other wise you might as well use the
high, nasalled "Ehreeka" that i so love, adore and thank my dear, sadistic
parents for.

Violinist is drunk at the "height of his talent". Oh no!! No!!! Ack, ack,
they *know* the people they drink! Ack, no!! All those people they drank who
were peasants and who toiled and strained all their lives, the diseased and
sick who were rotting inside and out, the maniacs, the insane, the neurotics
and psychotics, the spacy empty-heads and the studious exploding ones...
There'd be *no* temptation for me to drink from *anyone* at all 'cause i'd
perpetually be worried about where this guy had been and 'how he felt about
it', ick. Ack, ack! Pain, suffering, ignorance, anger... drinking people
nowadays, no problem, but i would have been starving back then. And the
battlefield? LC's "free food", sure, but i wouldn't take it!

i'm okay, no one needs to respond to that part. It was just my finger-jerk
reaction to it. It's a wonderful concept, just one that (like the whole Near
Death thing) we'll be expected not to think about for future and past
episodes. What's wrong with a story arc and canons?! Show it out of order, i
don't care! Oh, TPTB won't check. Go on, live a little.

And Vachon experiences nothing as he sips from his bottle. No, if he were
feeling/thinking/taking in something, we'd see it. If he reacts to
"Chevalier", he's going to react to a suddenly onset feeling on the night he
lost his virginity as a 17 year old Victorian governess to her respected,
50-something-physician-and-father-of-two employer.
(Hm. i do like the vague parallel between drinking from someone and
"feeling"/"being" them and past lives, tho.)
Now 1st season Nick, i could see this fitting in. Remember those dramatic
swigs and that orgasmic "Ahhhhhh, now *that's* a drink!" expression?

Frank/Fran at the window meld/melt - Ah! Nice! Would you two team up for a
horror movie sometime, please? Mr. B and Ms. Horvath? A ghost story, please?
How about it?

'Nicholas Chevalier. The man coveted by many but played only by a select
few: Wyn Davies. Gere. Keanu.' i can't hear the name "Chevalier" and not
think of Keanu "Ahye say, is the cahstle fah?" Reeves.

Actress who played the doctor - liked her. Not overdone. Not underdone. Not
runny and getting all over the toast side of the plate. And *especially* not
a raving professional woman or weepy, break-down one.

Francesca on art appreciation through plasma suckage - loved that. And think
of it, you'd never have to study. Just sip and know. But i'd have to do it
*right before* the exams. A little Dali, a little Picasso, a little Renoir.
Or for that pesky biology class, a little katydid, a little chimpanzee, a
little cow... Wouldn't work for physical science unless you knew some famous
physical scientists (i'm thinking of geology class here). 'Cause no matter
how much vampiric strength i have i'm not going to squeeze anything i can
use from that rock. Hm. Maybe a little professor...

Fran to Nick: "You can play as [Faubert] does"... No, no, i don't care. i
don't want to separate single eps from a series. These Intense Discussions
on LC and love, the nature of evil, Nick and his relationship/oops no
relationship with Nat, what he "owes" her, if anything - they're at once
wonderful, thought-provoking, and absolutely pointless (tho i try to
participate if i can!) because no FK writer has ever talked to another as
far as i can see (not counting the team of Bedard and Lalonde).

Janette must have been quite the little entertainer during that False
Witness flashback. What if Nick had drunk from the antagonist in Capitol
Offense? He'd have lost that "clew" and gotten a cool drawl. Oh, my - and LC
in "Bad Blood". Sandra thinks Uncle is bad enough. Now imagine him suddenly
channeling Jack the Ripper. Well, without the upset stomach and diarrhea.

Nick on Frank: "Sexual freedom is the freedom to kill." That's a quote to
petrify my mother with. Sexuality is bad enough...

LC learns about the newly-returned Franny, Nick leaves, then LC clicks on
the mike. i want a comedic ep where LC forgets to turn it off, Nick comes
over and talks vampire, and all of Toronto is freaked out of their mind.
Imagine Reese spewing out his Chinese food. Imagine Tracy crashing her dad's
car. Imagine all those mentally-imbalanced people musing over conspiracy
theories in their rat-packed apartments (the bulk of The Nightcrawler's
audience) suddenly rising to arms, with audio proof that the goverment was,
indeed, up to no good with that alien technology they gathered at Roswell.
Um, i hope LC's monologue to his listening audience didn't need our
attention. 'Cause i spent mine writing that down.

Nick: "The evil in me will affect someone else..." Nick really loves to hate
himself, doesn't he? He's like those annoyingly pouty people. He must be
doing it for attention. Pretend he's invisible, Nat. Maybe then you two can
talk about something other that how damned he is. He's not evil, poor kid.
Man can't tell the difference between true, murderous evil, and simply
annoying us to death. Someone who tries so hard to be good (good at being
repetitive and good at ignoring encouragement and sunny smiles) isn't "float
around and find somebody through which to murder" evil. Enough.

"Hope we find him before these memories make him kill again." So it's now
'Make me forget before I kill again!', now, is it? (Sorry. A 'stop before i
kill again' joke.)

Vachon holding his guitar to the flicker of candlelight (and pose of pin-up
calendar). If he drank from Les Paul, do you think we'd finally get a good
song out of that boy?

Frank in drag at the the doctor's door: Brilliant. The actor, Mr B, the
wardrobe mistress/master, makeup artist, whoever decided he should even look
that way, Gillian for putting him there. Listen - i do not get scared. i
haven't seen *everything* but i do know that TV never scares me. But they
got an impulsecomment out of me - one of those reactionary mutterings. i'm
*very* impressed.

Ger: "Compo sit".
What are you saying? No, it's not working, try again, Ger.
Ger: "Compass it".
No, i don't know. i need more. Try taking a deep breath first. Or write it
down. Oh, comPAHzit. 'Composite', got it. Now, don't make an issss...ue out
of it. Doesn't need a trip to the la...BOREatory to help me figure it out.
Don't let me throw you off your shhhhhh...edule. (Just playing "spot the
Brit". Don't mind me.)

Fuller is ditsy but come on, fellow, you had to have noticed the woman was
REALLY tall. There's tall and there's TOWERING. Plot device not to have
Fran(k) kill the doctor there, to have him/her fattening them up. It's okay,
just irking.

Fran jumping <boing!>/landing into the scene with Nick and the caged musicians:
Hey, that's what *we* do in our home movies! That's exactly what i had
[Name removed by request] do when we were filming "Nosferatu, the Terror Returns and It's
Pissed" with our friends. Golly, i had no idea professionals did that, too.
i though only really bad actors ([Name removed by request], you cannot hit me. i told you
vampires do not bounce when they rise from the grave but you did it anyway.
Anyway, if Mr B sees fit to put it in, i won't say another word about how
silly you looked, 400 years old, coffin-moldy, and with that special spring
in your step.)

i thought that the possession/past life thing... Well, okay. i'm glad that
it was made clear that this was a whole 'nother person who was killing, not
Frank (in a sense Fran is Frank but that's going to mess me up so i'm going
to ignore it) because i remember the uproar over "Silence of the Lambs" and
how the fact  that a sort-of transvestite was linked to murderous, violent
perversion. Many people questioned the way that the two were connected. But
Gillian kept the situation clear and i'm very glad of that. (But, anyway, FK
has made just about every type of person a murderous psychopath so i don't
have to worry about transvestites being singled out <g>)

Tag:

Tracy's regression: please don't show it. Please fade out... Hm, she makes
alot of faces when she goes under... <ahem> Please don't show it... Darn.
Cute. Silly but cute. Like seeing Blue Nessie swimming away even though we
should be assured that the gator ate QueeQueg.

DONE! <whew> and i didn't use a smiley once and a <g> *only* once. Please
note that MANY smileys were implied throughout my post (lessee... this time,
i'd say 80% of what i wrote was a joke. Did you come up with the same
estimation, Amy?) and that i really make sarcasm work for its supper. Hm.
Meaning that i sometimes mean the opposite if what i've written... Ug.
Please stop me before i emoticonize again. It's so hard not to...

emoticonally frustrated [Name removed by request] watching from the sidelines...

Oh! And i want to be sure that everyone understands that i enjoyed "Franny".
Mr B, Ms. Horvath, etc. Not that what i say means anything but just wanted
to make it clear (and, like many other people, the shows i really love, i'll
tear to bits because i care. Yes, it's a sick way to love but it was how i
was raised. I you love something, you shred it, dice it, incapacitate it so
it *can't* go.)


All I have is what I might have been - Gavin Friday
Each man kills the thing he loves - Oscar Wilde (thanks, Kim :)
How can you trust someone who bleeds for 7 days and doesn't die? -BadGirlsWest
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 22:20:02 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILERS: Francesca

>Violinist is drunk at the "height of his talent". Oh no!! No!!! Ack, ack,
>they *know* the people they drink! Ack, no!! All those people they drank who

Y'know, this could explain a *lot* about how Nick's really negative,
down-on-himself attitude got started.  Think about it.  For, oh, 300 years or
so, he made a point of dining only on the 'unworthy'-- drunks, prostitutes,
criminals... talk about a depressing diet! <g>

I mean, bad enough he flashes back on the Crusades, his troubles in Wales,
etc... now we know he spent 300 years 'living through' his victims, being, oh,
a cutpurse in 1605 London, a drunk in 1770 Paris or a whore in 1840 New Orleans?
EVERY time he ate? Yuck! That would be enough to put *me* on a bovine diet!  No
horror, no squalor and misery.  Just nice, peaceful memories of green fields...
  ;>

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......  #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 20:29:41 -0700
From:         LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILERS: Francesca

[Name removed by request] wrote:

>Violinist is drunk at the "height of his talent". Oh no!! No!!! Ack,
>ack, they *know* the people they drink! Ack, no!! All those people
>they drank who were peasants and who toiled and strained all their
>lives, the diseased and sick who were rotting inside and out, the

Well, this could explain a lot about Nick. If he did spend 300 years
drinking only from the scumbags of society - self-inflicted punishment?
300 years of *becoming* the worst wretches society had on offer?!  No
wonder the boy is such a mess <g>.  Even cows would be an improvement
(if not nutritionally balanced).

Has anyone given any thought to how the alteration in vampire diet in
the last century from the source to bottled blood (where the images are
probably faint, if they remain at all) has affected that society?  And
what happens if you mix blood from more than one source?

Cousin LaurieCF
M+B+D+T+K
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 23:27:26 -0600
From:         Crystal Guffey <GUFFEYC@t.......>
Subject:      SPOILER: Francesca

Firstly, I'd like to say...Nigel if you are out there...thank you for
that special shot for all the Vaqueros. 'Nuff said.

Secondly, with all the thanks going to Gillian and Nigel, there was
something that I liked about this episode that has not been mentioned. The
simplicity. It brought some of the integrity back to the show that made us all
fall in love with it. Maybe being under budget took away the
distractions that had crept in and brought the focus back to the characters.

It really reminded me of 2nd season FK. LC's booth was in the dark, while on
the air. The *new trappings* of the Raven were not to be seen. It somehow
seemed more fitting for him to be sitting in that dark room with the blue
light doing his Nightcrawler thing. I won't mention the leather
hiphugger girl that was wandering into the scene when Nick was leaving.

Everyone seemed to be having bad hair days (except LC).
Has anyone noticed how nice Tracey's hair and makeup were looking before
the new episodes started and in this episode, it was back to looking like she
did at the beginning of the season... a little mussed and not so slick.

Even Vachon's hair was a bit flat. Too much Pert-Plus I guess (a joke
from fanfic...I think) ;)

But, I like the simplicity of the whole show better. The Vachon and
Tracey scene in the church only required a couch, candles, the guitar and
darkness. Oh yes, and their drinks!

The flashback sets were the most detailed except for Nat's office. But, it
has always been basically unchanged.

Also, did anyone else really love it when Tracey hit Vachon on the
shoulder when trying to get some info out of him? It seemed so natural
and personal. Like really good friends... I liked that.

Well, there's much more...but I'll go back to lurkers mode...

Crystal, A Vaquera
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 21:46:51 -0700
From:         Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject:      Re: Francesca - Vampire Life <was -- A Few words (spoilers)>

On Sun, 5 May 1996, Margie Hammet wrote:

> Yes he's giving up the intimacy, but Nick also says, "It's the way we
> experience life."  And in Fever, he describes vampire life by saying,
> "It's not a life; it's a shadow of a life."
> So, my question is, in what way do vampires not have a life?  And what is
> the life they are getting from those whose blood they drink?

Can you just imagine, then, the next time somebody tells Nick to "get a
life!" he'll say he's working on it; Lacroix might respond with "Fine --
I'll take yours!"

being silly (hey, it's my birthday, I'm entitled!)
Valery
kingv@u.......
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Date:         Mon, 6 May 1996 00:54:56 -0400
From:         Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILERS: Francesca

On Sun, 5 May 1996, [Name removed by request] wrote:

> >Violinist is drunk at the "height of his talent". Oh no!! No!!! Ack, ack,
> >they *know* the people they drink! Ack, no!! All those people they drank who

Gives a whole new meaning to: "don't put that in your mouth, you don't
know where it's been."

And what's a vampire to do?  Interview all potential lunches?  Stick to
children and infants?   Sounds like a capability with a lot of
downsides.  Maybe range-fed cattle are the way to go.  (That stanchion
flashback would be a good one, though <eg>).

Incidentally, I'm a working poet and I guarantee my feelings and memories
are as nasty as anyone else's if not moreso, as a few people on this list
would've been perfectly happy to attest recently.  Nice try, but really --
over-romanticizing working artists yet again.  Cows are nicer, really.

And golden retrievers are complete and total sweeties... where's that
Perry?  Over on jadfe, right?

Cheers to all,

Laura/Apache
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Date:         Mon, 6 May 1996 01:00:34 -0400
From:         Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILERS: Francesca

On Sun, 5 May 1996, LC Fenster wrote:

> Has anyone given any thought to how the alteration in vampire diet in
> the last century from the source to bottled blood (where the images are
> probably faint, if they remain at all) has affected that society?  And
> what happens if you mix blood from more than one source?


        There was an interesting opportunity for a line on that in
Francesca -- when Vachon's explaining the connoisseurship of blood to
Tracy, and sipping from his bottle as his thinks about it (as she glugs
away on her can of orange soda, a nice touch, as someone remarked).
If I were Tracy, I would have looked at that bottle with new interest --
"so who's that?" <gesturing at the bottle>.

        Maybe the bottled blood is a blend, as whiskey usually is,
multiple malt -- and a 'vintage' of a single interesting person,
carefully preserved, would have the same allure to connoisseurs as single
malt whiskey does to that species of tippler.


Ap.
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Date:         Sun, 5 May 1996 22:17:24 -0700
From:         Bonnela <callalily@l.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILERS: Francesca

LaurieCF wrote:
>Has anyone given any thought to how the alteration in vampire diet in
>the last century from the source to bottled blood (where the images are
>probably faint, if they remain at all) has affected that society?

Perhaps this explains Vachon and Urs staring blankly into their glasses at
the Raven (TG) -- no images left in the blood, no images transfered to their
minds.  Kinda gives new meaning to all those old horror flicks where 'the
mindless undead' are roaming the streets.

BP
(callalily@l.......)
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Date:         Mon, 6 May 1996 02:42:08 -0400
From:         Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: Francesca

What a great episode.  Thanks, Ms. Horvath, Mr. Bennett and the rest of the
cast.  The actor, Maurice Dean Wint, who played Frank was superb.  I knew I
was going to like at least at one thing about the show with that first
hypnosis scene.

Deborah says:

>Oh and Nigel, thanks so much for that in depth exploration of the guitar.
>:-)  I could probably build one myself after that.

You know, my eyes just kinda slid to what was _behind_ the guitar.  What a
... lingering shot.  I know.  I'm so baaaad.  (And you are too, Deborah <g>
 Build a guitar, indeed.)

Andrew comments:

>One big complaint: [Tracy] being the musician reincarnated was
>interesting, and it is plausible that after all these years she wouldn't
>recognize Nick as the contact was brief, but shouldn't they have set this
>up in previous episodes by having [Tracy] display musical talent?

The theory on reincarnation is that we don't remember, in general, the skills
we had or the people we've met in past lives.  We may occasionally get that
deja vu feeling about someone or something, bur rarely will clear memories
come to the fore.  The idea is that we are learning another lesson or
prosessing a problem created in a past life, in a new situation with new
personalities.  Otherwise, what's to stop Mozart, say, in his next life
saying, "Oh, darn, I never did get a chance to finish that Requiem.  Hey,
Mom, do we have any blank score sheets?"  You're supposed to be moving
forward, not doing the same-old-same-old.

As to the wonderful notion that a person's essense is contained in their
blood, I know a number of fanfic writers have held that for a long time.
 I've heard that the spirit lingers by its recently deceased body for three
days.  Perhaps that includes the blood.  I wonder if that is what Janette and
LaCroix's "special vintage" is:  very fresh blood mixed with very old wine.

"It's young, but it has an earthy, robust taste and it finishes quite well."
--LaCroix, TGVP

Sound like anyone you know?

Leslie
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