FORKNI-L
Digest - 18 Jul 2012 to 19 Jul 2012 (#2012-124)
Thu, 19 Jul 2012
There are 3 messages totalling 156 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Ellen and her other personalities
2. Nothers
3. Faction lists
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:01:17 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: Ellen and her other personalities
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Naia said,
> Not sure about Monica. Maybe she'll disappear, too,
> as long as Ellen doesn't need her anymore. I don't think
> Jacqueline has any use for her.
So I went and looked at Wikipedia (source of so much information)!
Apparently, in cases of dissociative identity, "dead" personalities are not
uncommon. However, they aren't actually destroyed. Rather, they are
dormant. Personalities that are aware of their "alters"--which here would
mean Jacqueline, at least--*believe* them to be dead, though; and, being
dormant, they act as though they are dead. However, they can be resurrected
under medical treatment.
So presumably the Ellen personality, believing herself killed, goes dormant.
And Jacqueline also believes Ellen to be dead.
I guess, if Monica is "aware" (the way Jacqueline is), then she'd know Ellen
jumped; and--knowing such a fall to be fatal to a human--might also believe
herself killed and go dormant. However, the way Jacqueline talked, I got
the impression that she was the only personality who was aware of the
existence of the others. In that case, Monica would have been "asleep" at
the time, and *unaware* of the fall. So she would have no reason to assume
herself killed. Why wouldn't she "wake up" some time later? Why would it
necessarily be Jacqueline who woke up in the morgue rather than Monica?
Multiple personality disorder is believed to have been caused by early
childhood trauma, usually child abuse. Given the way Ellen behaves, that's
not hard to believe. That means that the Ellen and Monica personalities go
back *years*. Monica is therefore well established, being the consequence
of childhood abuse--much more so than Jacqueline, who only emerged recently
as a way to cope with vampirism.
The way you put it ("I don't think Jacqueline has any use for her") suggests
that the newest personality is the dominant one. But is that true? Is it
really Jacqueline's needs that are paramount? "Ellen" may believe herself
"dead", but the original (human) side of the split mind is presumably no
more capable of dealing with becoming a vampire than it was before. Why
would Ellen's death also kill Monica?
Or maybe a *fourth* personality will emerge to take on the human role?
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:18:00 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Nothers
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012, Liz the Lucky wrote of the Nothers faction:
> And in the next (the
> last?) War, I went back to steal something chocolatey, I think.
That was War 12.
I found it. The post was called "The Three Moosekateers". You and
Shadowstar went to Le Chateau des Autres to find Chanda some chocolate
mousse, not realizing she actually wanted a stuffed moose toy. Oh, I
*loved* that story arc! I'd only been on the list a few months, and it was
the first war I'd ever read.
Now, all I need is one of the following:
(a) a list of guys the Nothers paired Natalie up wiht. (Three was it?
A small faction as you say.)
and/or
(b) maybe the chateau? or some distinctive feature about it?
Failing that, there *is* always the silhouette(s) that Stephanie suggested.
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:38:19 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Faction lists
I've come across a faction list that was posted to FORKNI-L by Rose Thatcher
back in 2001 when everyone was preparing for war. Most of the names are
quite familiar, but occasionally not.
1. Rose made a distinction between the Heartbreakers ("Nick *and* Vachon")
and the Night Haven ("Nick *with* Vachon"). Nowhere else have I seen a
difference in the meaning, though I know the two factions were created at
separate times. I think she means that the Heartbreakers are the equivalent
of the CotK and the Night Haven like the UF. Do other fans make the same
distinction between the two affiliations?
2. Rose describes the Mortal Siblings as the faction for "Nick and Fleur
(his mortal sister)".
Elsewhere, I've seen them described as "Sort-of a combo of the Dark
Knighties (who think Nick should drop the angst and accept what he is), the
NNers ('cos they want to see Nick and Nat together) and the CotK ('cos they
want Nick and LaCroix to treat each other with some modicum of civility)."
To say these two definitions are incompatible is...obvious. Was
the term "Mortal Siblings" invented twice?
3. Also, the NatVampCamp are mentioned in a follow-up post that Brenda
made. Are they distinct from the Dark NatPack; and, if so, how do the two
differ?''
4. Are Fleurettes and Fleur-Boosters two names for the same faction?
5. Also, follow-up posts mention both the Diviants and the Disciples of
Divia. From the latter's website, they're clearly two different things; but
what are the differences?
(Seriously puzzled, but hanging in there!)
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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