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Digest - 12 Apr 2012 to 13 Apr 2012 (#2012-55)

Fri, 13 Apr 2012

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Topics of the day:

  1. Factions that don't exist (3)

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Date:    Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:40:29 -0400
From:    Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Factions that don't exist

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:34:24 -0700, Andrew asked:

> Does the Indian woman, who brought over both Vashon and
> the Inca, have any sort of emblem or icon?

The Indian woman in the feather cloak who brought across Vachon and the Inca
is sometimes referred to as "Angel".  I guess that's how she was referred to
in the script.  Doesn't Vachon refer to her as being like an angel?  She
clearly isn't a "real" angel, though:  she's a vampire.

Anyway, one first needs to remember that the symbols were never applied to
the characters.  They were for the *factions*.  The first symbols were drawn
for the faction pins at Dead of Winter Con 2 in 1995.  Some of the factions
created after that were also popular enough to have symbols.  (In fact,
quite a few came up with their own.)  However, I'm pretty sure no one
bothered to create symbols for characters that did *not* have factions.
That sort of misses the point, after all.

Of course, the question then has to be:  why do some characters have
factions and others not?

Sometimes it's obvious:  Nick, Nat, LaCroix, Janette, Schanke, Tracy,
Vachon, Screed:  all had a fair amount of screen time, are popular, and have
a lot of stories/art featuring them.  However, where supporting, recurring,
and guest characters are concerned, it's a bit more hit and miss.  Some have
factions:  the INCArnates (the Inca), the Diviants (Divia), the Urchins
(Urs), the Fleur-Boosters (Fleur), the Cohen-heads (Cohen).  Sometimes
factions were created, but hardly anyone joined; or a name was suggested,
but the faction never quite emerged:  the Scorpions (Stonetree), the Reese's
Pieces (Reese), the AlmaDens (Alma), the Academy (Aristotle).

To be perfectly honest, I don't think the feather-cloaked "Angel" vampire
was ever all that popular with fan writers.  (Were there any stories written
that featured her?)  Anyway, she never had a faction.  Therefore, obviously,
there was no symbol created for it.

Actually, there are quite a few characters that never had factions.

For example, when you sign up for FK Fic Fest on LiveJournal, there's a
section for you to list your faction.  I've always said that I'm a Die-Hard;
but I've also put in a number of minor factions for characters I rather like
(such as Aristotle, Reese, and Stonetree).  And then I include a few others:
the "Feliksities" and the "Blue Knighties" in 2010, to which I added the
"LabNatties" in 2011.  Two of these are fraction factions that don't
actually exist (though I bet you can figure out what they mean).  The
Feliksities are a faction for Feliks Twist--and again, it doesn't exist.
Why, I don't know:  there aren't a lot of stories about him; but then there
aren't a lot of stories about Aristotle, nor ones that focus on Grace, Myra,
the Inca, or the police captains, all of whom have factions.

I bet I'm not the only person who has invented names for non-existent
factions that *ought* to exist but don't...yet.

Who else lacks a faction?  As far as I know, none of these have one:
    * Jenny Schanke.  In the last war, I mentioned the "Jenny-Poos" in
passing; but they don't really exist.
    * Nick's nephew, Andre.  April called this faction the Andreivitchs; but
that was another tongue-in-cheek invention.  (See, I knew I wasn't the only
one making up faction names.)
    * Bourbon.  (The "House of Bourbon", anyone?)
    * Daniel, the Cockney boy from "Father's Day"
    * Francesca
    * Alyce Hunter
    * Richard Lambert and/or his wife & daughter
    * Q'ara, Divia's master
    * Barbara and/or Richard Vetter, Tracy's parents.  Once upon a time, the
name "Vetterans" was proposed for Tracy's faction; but it would work even
better for her parents, if you ask me.

All of these factionless characters have appeared in at least some fan
fiction--and I bet there are others!  (Of course, we just created the
Blackwing faction for Marian Blackwing, didn't we?  Otherwise, I would have
had to add her to the list.)

Then there are the couple factions that don't exist.  Bearing in mind that
most *claim* not to require romance (and the CotK definitely don't), it is
seriously weird that no one ever created a Nick & Schanke faction.  The
"Pardners" maybe, or the "Buddies"?


Greer

gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/


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Date:    Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:39:54 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Factions that don't exist

At 08:40 4/13/2012, Greer wrote:

>Then there are the couple factions that don't exist.  Bearing in mind that
>most *claim* not to require romance (and the CotK definitely don't), it is
>seriously weird that no one ever created a Nick & Schanke faction.  The
>"Pardners" maybe, or the "Buddies"?

I might suggest that one as "PotM" for "Partners of the Month", the
episode in which Schanke moved in with Nick because he and Myra had a
spat. (For a while, there was talk about an item-faction -- similar
to the CaddyWhacks -- springing up around Schanke's duck lamp.)

There are also a number of "trinity" factions, but those are
primarily "slash" factions (physical intimacy an integral part of the
relationship): Dark Trinity, Unholy Trinity, Unholy Alliance, etc.
The Unnamed Faction (Lacroix/Nick; faction HQ is Don Constantine's
house) is another slash faction.

There is also at least one faction based on a relationship that did
not occur in canon: the Unsuiteds (Lacroix-Schanke and/or
Lacroix/Schanke, originated at Bridging the Knight, IIRC).


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Date:    Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:39:20 -0700
From:    Andrew Caruthers <slinter@j.......>
Subject: Re: Factions that don't exist

One for Fleur could be called the "Fleur-ists". And perhaps Selene,
Divia's mother, might be the "Selenoids"?
Okay...going back into lurker mode, now!  ;)




On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:40:29 -0400 Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
writes:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:34:24 -0700, Andrew asked:
>
> > Does the Indian woman, who brought over both Vashon and
> > the Inca, have any sort of emblem or icon?
>
> The Indian woman in the feather cloak who brought across Vachon and the Inca
> is sometimes referred to as "Angel".  I guess that's how she was referred to
> in the script.  Doesn't Vachon refer to her as being like an angel? She
> clearly isn't a "real" angel, though:  she's a vampire.
>
> Anyway, one first needs to remember that the symbols were never applied to
> the characters.  They were for the *factions*.  The first symbols were drawn
> for the faction pins at Dead of Winter Con 2 in 1995.  Some of the factions
> created after that were also popular enough to have symbols.  (In fact,
> quite a few came up with their own.)  However, I'm pretty sure no one
> bothered to create symbols for characters that did *not* have factions.
> That sort of misses the point, after all.
>
> Of course, the question then has to be:  why do some characters have
>
> factions and others not?
>
> Sometimes it's obvious:  Nick, Nat, LaCroix, Janette, Schanke, Tracy,
> Vachon, Screed:  all had a fair amount of screen time, are popular, and have
> a lot of stories/art featuring them.  However, where supporting, recurring,
> and guest characters are concerned, it's a bit more hit and miss.  Some have
> factions:  the INCArnates (the Inca), the Diviants (Divia), the Urchins
> (Urs), the Fleur-Boosters (Fleur), the Cohen-heads (Cohen).  Sometimes
> factions were created, but hardly anyone joined; or a name was suggested,
> but the faction never quite emerged:  the Scorpions (Stonetree), the Reese's
> Pieces (Reese), the AlmaDens (Alma), the Academy (Aristotle).
>
> To be perfectly honest, I don't think the feather-cloaked "Angel" vampire
> was ever all that popular with fan writers.  (Were there any stories written
> that featured her?)  Anyway, she never had a faction.  Therefore, obviously,
> there was no symbol created for it.
>
> Actually, there are quite a few characters that never had factions.
>
> For example, when you sign up for FK Fic Fest on LiveJournal, there's a
> section for you to list your faction.  I've always said that I'm a Die-Hard;
> but I've also put in a number of minor factions for characters I rather like
> (such as Aristotle, Reese, and Stonetree).  And then I include a few others:
> the "Feliksities" and the "Blue Knighties" in 2010, to which I added the
> "LabNatties" in 2011.  Two of these are fraction factions that don't
> actually exist (though I bet you can figure out what they mean).  The
> Feliksities are a faction for Feliks Twist--and again, it doesn't exist.
> Why, I don't know:  there aren't a lot of stories about him; but then there
> aren't a lot of stories about Aristotle, nor ones that focus on Grace, Myra,
> the Inca, or the police captains, all of whom have factions.
>
> I bet I'm not the only person who has invented names for non-existent
> factions that *ought* to exist but don't...yet.
>
> Who else lacks a faction?  As far as I know, none of these have one:
>     * Jenny Schanke.  In the last war, I mentioned the "Jenny-Poos" in
> passing; but they don't really exist.
>     * Nick's nephew, Andre.  April called this faction the Andreivitchs; but
> that was another tongue-in-cheek invention.  (See, I knew I wasn't the only
> one making up faction names.)
>     * Bourbon.  (The "House of Bourbon", anyone?)
>     * Daniel, the Cockney boy from "Father's Day"
>     * Francesca
>     * Alyce Hunter
>     * Richard Lambert and/or his wife & daughter
>     * Q'ara, Divia's master
>     * Barbara and/or Richard Vetter, Tracy's parents.  Once upon a time, the
> name "Vetterans" was proposed for Tracy's faction; but it would work even
> better for her parents, if you ask me.
>
> All of these factionless characters have appeared in at least some fan
> fiction--and I bet there are others!  (Of course, we just created the
> Blackwing faction for Marian Blackwing, didn't we?  Otherwise, I would have
> had to add her to the list.)
>
> Then there are the couple factions that don't exist.  Bearing in mind that
> most *claim* not to require romance (and the CotK definitely don't), it is
> seriously weird that no one ever created a Nick & Schanke faction.  The
> "Pardners" maybe, or the "Buddies"?
>
>
> Greer
>
> gwatson2@r.......
> http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/


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