FORKNI-L
Digest - 16 Dec 2010 to 17 Dec 2010 (#2010-37)
Fri, 17 Dec 2010
There are 3 messages totalling 161 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Whammy
2. Forkni-L archives update
3. Some musings on the "whammy"
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:49:15 -0500
From: Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......>
Subject: Re: Whammy
IMO, Natalie's mental and emotional seduction in *Be My Valentine *was
amplified with the aid of a drug. LaCroix drugged her with Rohypnol. It
wasn't in her wine, but in her glass. She had all the aftereffects of
someone who was under the influence of that particular medication, including
memory loss. Rohypnol (Roofies) were well known and documented as a
date-rape drug in American before 1992 so it's possible LaCroix knew about
their effects long before. Why? Because he's evil! ;-p
" the whammy likelihood is higher the more senior the vampire. (Natalie
> again,being whammied by Lacroix in "Be My Valentine")."
>
> (Remember his how he "forgot" to teach Nick something else? Dang, what
> was that? It was in Season 1.)
>
Drawing a blank here, do you mean when he allowed Nick's wife Alyssa to die
when Nick took too much? I'm fairly certain that was in the third season,
in the episode about ghosts. <goes to look up title> *Dead of Night, *that
was it, third season. Sorry, if that wasn't it what did you mean? That was
when LC claimed he hadn't taught everything.
...pointing out to her that X-rays can be unreliable in certain cases...no
> diagnostic tools, even X-rays, are 100% reliable.) While he talks to the ER
> doc he's.......more subtle and sophisticated fashion, and Lacroix isn't the
> type to put himself out for no reason.
>
It was very much like a seduction in how LaCroix proceeded with Dr Turner in
the X-Ray Room. It still raises the hair on my arms when he takes control
of her and the situation, so carefully, so beautifully and so much the
dangerous vampire. She is so close to death there without a single clue.
It's an incredible scene. I wished that there were more scenes like this.
I also wish that they had known that the series was going to be canceled. I
wonder how much farther they would have gone with this episode had it been
later in the season after they knew the plug had been pulled.
Sorry, got a bit off topic there. This episode is the one on which the arc
of the rest of the season turns. The screw, if you will...
Mona
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:51:52 -0500
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Forkni-L archives update
> Forkni-L's dusty vaults have been give an update--the first of many, many
> more to come.
Thanks for the update! I'm really looking forward to all this "new" (old!!)
material from the Dark Ages before I joined the list.
Greer
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:16:24 -0500
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Some musings on the "whammy"
> Last night, I watched "Night in Question", and it seems to me that
> Lacroix's
> whammy of the ER doc is almost a master class in how to do it.
Angela, this is a masterful analysis of LaCroix's technique--and I hope
sometime to work it into one of the Wiki articles (duly attributed, of
course). Nick does seem to be a lot less subtle.
Which brings me to "Only the Lonely", or more accurately its flashback.
There has always been a question--aggravated by "Be My Valentine"--as to
whether Natalie is or isn't a genuine resistor. Clearly, the situation in
the flashback isn't a straightforward #2: if Natalie had spotted his
attempt at the whammy and spoken right up ("You're trying to hypnotize me,
aren't you?"), then Nick would have known immediately that it didn't work.
In fact, it's some days later that the flashback picks up again, as Nick
checks to see whether the whammy took. To me, this suggests that, at the
time he tried it, he really did think she'd been successfully hypnotized.
In itself, that does not preclude a #4: she could have been faking. Except
that, *if* she faked her response at the time, then you'd think she'd
persist with that deception when she spots Nick on the street. Remember:
he just walks past her to see if he gets a reaction. It is *she* who stops
and calls him on it. If she were faking it in her office, why wouldn't she
continue to play it safe?
Logically, Nick must have thought at the time that he'd succeeded--and not
because she faked it. This rather suggests Natalie's another #3: partial
success, as with Schanke. In "Close Call", Schanke was initially hypnotized
but had the effect wear off, largely because of all the other evidence that
came up. Similarly, when Nick whammied her in the morgue, Natalie
presumably was initially hypnotized but had the effect wear off.
It's easy to imagine the sort of "evidence" that must have come up--off
scene--to reverse the whammy. Nick was blown up by a pipe bomb. That's
murder. Some Homicide detectives would be working the case, right? So they
call the Coroners Office to speak to the pathologist...who says, "What
body?"...and they fill her in. (Probably thinking she's got too many
corpses on hand, if she can't keep a pipe-bomb case separate from the
overdoses, heart attacks, and car crashes.)
All this suggests that Nick must have encountered the #3 situation before.
In fact, there must have been quite a number of instances down the years
where he did initially hypnotize someone only to have it wear off. (And
he'd have to find out, too.) Otherwise, he'd never have bothered checking
up on Natalie a few days later, would he? He'd just have gone off assuming
all was right.
Cue LaCroix and Azure: Natalie might perhaps resist an overt attempt at
hypnosis, now that she knows what whammying looks like. However, as in
"Night in Question", LaCroix is far more subtle than that, and sort of
slides into her mind sideways, with those "innocent" questions about her
relationship with Nick, and that seductive tone of his that launched so many
Valentine stories. (Either that, or she's faking it: there are certainly
those who prefer that interpretation.)
The question then is: if LaCroix really did hypnotize Natalie at Azure, did
*that* whammy ever wear off? And what evidence might have worn it off?
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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