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Digest - 12 Nov 2010 to 13 Nov 2010 (#2010-10)

Sat, 13 Nov 2010

There are 10 messages totalling 337 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. paints and set dressing (5)
  2. Rick springfield
  3. First post, need some help (2)
  4. Nick's paints (2)

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Date:    Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:14:40 -0500
From:    g4akl@c.......
Subject: Re: paints and set dressing

>> Why, oh why did they give Nick house paint to use on his oil paintings?
>> Artists' oil paints come in tubes that only hold about an ounce or so of paint--
>> not cans.

You make a good point.  But here's another idea.  Since Nick did
learn to paint back when artists literally mixed their own paint from
the raw materials, suppose he still prefers to do that rather than
buy the "convenient" tubes of oil paint because he has much more
control of his media that way.

Wouldn't he mix up MORE than one  tube's worth of paint at one
time.  Maybe he got those nice cans from a household project and just
reused the empty house paint cans to hold his own self-made oil artist paint.

Arletta

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Date:    Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:34:19 -0500
From:    Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......>
Subject: Re: paints and set dressing

Actually, probably not.  Making your own paint is a time consuming process,
and the paint in those cans was waaaay too liquid.  Artists' oil paint is
essentially linseed oil and pigment with some beeswax thrown in for binder.
While it *is* cheaper to make your own (and more customizable in terms of
the pigment percentage) it also takes a few hours to make a small quantity
of paint.  And there's nothing in his loft that he could grind the pigment
with (Most likely he would have a mortar and pestle)...  or something to be
used as a palette.  Nick would know how to do it, true, but would he have
the time?   I've never done it--I've only seen it done because it's easier
to buy rather than make.

Laura

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:14 PM, <g4akl@c.......> wrote:

> >> Why, oh why did they give Nick house paint to use on his oil paintings?
> >> Artists' oil paints come in tubes that only hold about an ounce or so of
> paint-- >> not cans.
>
> You make a good point.  But here's another idea.  Since Nick did learn to
> paint back when artists literally mixed their own paint from the raw
> materials, suppose he still prefers to do that rather than
> buy the "convenient" tubes of oil paint because he has much more control of
> his media that way.
>
> Wouldn't he mix up MORE than one  tube's worth of paint at one time.  Maybe
> he got those nice cans from a household project and just reused the empty
> house paint cans to hold his own self-made oil artist paint.
>
> Arletta
>

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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:00:38 -0500
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Rick springfield

Hello  Everyone,

Rick Springfield appeared in the American Theatre in EPCOT  Center, Disney
World Wed.  Much to my surprise, there were a lot of Forever  Knight Fans
there to hear and see him.  FK just refuses to go away.   Thanks heavens.

KnightWitch ;-[[[=

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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:57:42 -0700
From:    Walt Doherty <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: paints and set dressing

From: "Laura Davies" <bratling2@g.......>
> 2D isn't my specialty, and I work in watercolors rather than oils or
> acrylics when and if I paint, but even I know what supplies Nick *should*
> have as a painter!  My thinking is that because such supplies can get
> pricey, perhaps it was a way to cut costs?
>

I don't think it had anything to do with money.  I think, more
practically, someone thought that since Nick was a painter,
they should show cans of paint, and cans show up better
that small tubes.

Total lack of thought and imagination on someone's part.


Walt Doherty
wdoherty5@c.......
Phoenix, AZ

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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:20:07 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: paints and set dressing

My local arts and crafts shop sells acrylic paint in large vats and bottles (up
to 2 liters, about 4 quarts). Also oils come in rather large tubes (which are
ridiculously expensive of course) - also I don't find it unbelievable that Nick
would re-use available containers to mix his own colors. And there are "real"
artists, btw, who use wall colors to paint pictures.
And I agree, they are more visible on screen than small tubes of paint.

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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have
to say something." Plato




Am 13.11.2010 um 08:57 schrieb Walt Doherty:

> From: "Laura Davies" <bratling2@g.......>
>> 2D isn't my specialty, and I work in watercolors rather than oils or
>> acrylics when and if I paint, but even I know what supplies Nick *should*
>> have as a painter!  My thinking is that because such supplies can get
>> pricey, perhaps it was a way to cut costs?
>>
>
> I don't think it had anything to do with money.  I think, more
> practically, someone thought that since Nick was a painter,
> they should show cans of paint, and cans show up better
> that small tubes.
>
> Total lack of thought and imagination on someone's part.
>
>
> Walt Doherty
> wdoherty5@c.......
> Phoenix, AZ
>

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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:27:59 -0800
From:    KC Monroe <kaysea1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: paints and set dressing

I never had a problem with Nick's painting method as I assumed someone was
buying into a stereotype of a somewhat modern "troubled artist". Nick's
technique could be considered "liquid paint" which was introduced in the
mid-30's. Jackson Pollack is perhaps the best known for this style and is often
seen using paint in cans. There's a picture of him and cans at
http://www.arthistoryspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pollock-1.jpg

Pollack was "troubled", had a drinking problem and suffered from depressions -
sound familiar? Pollack died in 1956 at 44 in an DUI crash which may have been
suicide.

--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......> wrote:

> From: Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......>

> Why, oh why did
> they give Nick house paint to use on his oil
> paintings?  Artists' oil paints
> come in tubes that only hold about an ounce or so of
> paint--not cans.




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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:51:32 -0800
From:    Mirax Terrik <corranterrik@y.......>
Subject: First post, need some help

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the list, but not to Forever Knight. Been watching it since it
originally aired on TV and am currently rewatching the series.

Anyway, I had a questions, and I was recommended to post it here because someone
might know the answer. A few years ago, I was reading some fanfiction and came
across a story I enjoyed at the time. I've been wanting to reread it, but can't
remember the name of it, the author, or where I found it. I'll tell what I can
remember of it.

It was set during third season. I remember Tracy was Nick's partner and LaCroix
broadcast out of the Raven. I don't remember the main plot too well (something
about a murder Nick and Tracy were investigating), but there was a subplot where
one of the Nightcrawler's listeners became totally obsessed with him. The male
listener began sort of stalking LaCroix, always hanging out at the Raven,
dressing like LaCroix, and so on. LaCroix did become aware of this man
eventually, and I think the man did get linked in somehow to the main plot,but
that's about all I remember. I remember being intrigued with this subplot
because we were on the outside looking in, since the man knew LaCroix only as
his Nightcrawler persona.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Kelly Grosskreutz


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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:20:36 -0600
From:    Barbara Stone <stoneb@m.......>
Subject: Nick's paints

Hey, Laura!  Good job spotting the house paint!  As many times as I've
watched that ep, I never thought to notice what kind of paint he was
using.  I'm sure you're right, they used house paint because it was there.

But Nancy has a good point:  maybe Nick was feeling experimental.  I
remember way back in 1958 when I was 7,
attending college for a day with my older cousin.  It was a Thursday and
she had art.  The assignment was to paint a canvas using a brayer (like
the rollers used to paint walls, but used in print making).  Artists do
experiment with different materials and Nick was in a rather manic
mood.  He really needed to paint and he really needed to paint a lot.
Why mess with little itty bitty tubes?  It may be cheese, but it's
reasonable cheese.

B. Stone

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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:24:32 -0500
From:    Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......>
Subject: Re: First post, need some help

I do believe you're looking for Knight Lights by JL Kerr, which can be found
here- http://home.comcast.net/~jlkerr1228/lights.txt

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Mirax Terrik <corranterrik@y.......>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm new to the list, but not to Forever Knight. Been watching it since it
> originally aired on TV and am currently rewatching the series.
>
> Anyway, I had a questions, and I was recommended to post it here because
> someone might know the answer. A few years ago, I was reading some
> fanfiction and came across a story I enjoyed at the time. I've been wanting
> to reread it, but can't remember the name of it, the author, or where I
> found it. I'll tell what I can remember of it.
>
> It was set during third season. I remember Tracy was Nick's partner and
> LaCroix broadcast out of the Raven. I don't remember the main plot too well
> (something about a murder Nick and Tracy were investigating), but there was
> a subplot where one of the Nightcrawler's listeners became totally obsessed
> with him. The male listener began sort of stalking LaCroix, always hanging
> out at the Raven, dressing like LaCroix, and so on. LaCroix did become aware
> of this man eventually, and I think the man did get linked in somehow to the
> main plot,but that's about all I remember. I remember being intrigued with
> this subplot because we were on the outside looking in, since the man knew
> LaCroix only as his Nightcrawler persona.
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Kelly Grosskreutz
>
>
>

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Date:    Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:39 -0500
From:    Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's paints

I will admit that house paint is better for spatter painting and covering
large areas (like doors) with color.  Jackson Pollock did lots of abstracts
that were more spattered paint than anything.  And really, anything goes
when it comes to fine art these days.

BUT...  Nick was classically trained.  Very classically trained.  Anybody
who studied with Rapheal and Hieronymous Bosch  (Most likely with many, many
other 'great' artists before and afterwards) Dead Issue had Nick remembering
modeling for Bosch.  By then he presumably knew his way around a paint
brush, so modeling would have been a decent way to study Bosch's then
cutting edge technique.  (The painting Bosch is working on is the famous
"Garden of Earthly Delights")

Nick's abstracts look more like classic oils than house paint, though.  Next
time you go to an art museum, take as close a look as you can at one of the
oils.  They have texture.  Lots of lumpy bumpy texture from layers, and
layers of paint.  I spent two years working in my college's art gallery and
hanging exhibits, so I got a really close look at how things look.  :) The
texture of oils are different than the textures of other paints.  (On a side
note, if you ever play with acrylics, colors feel and taste different.  Try
it.  I dare you.  Red is a different texture than both yellow and blue.
It's the same with ceramics glazes, printmaker's ink, and watercolors..)
You can get that same texture and hue of color saturation with water colors
by not watering it down.. which is how I work because I don't like pastels.
Then again, the canvas for oils and acrylics also adds to the texture.

I expect that he's changed his techniques with the times--hence the
canvasses and acrylic gesso.  Back when Nick learned to paint, he would have
been painting on wood with natural gesso, which degrades some over time.
And as a side note...  The "da Vinci" painting for Janette?  Historically,
it's inaccurate.  Presumably, it was painted around the same era as the Mona
Lisa.

The Mona Lisa is a heck of a lot smaller, painted on wood, and is
pre-acrylics.  While I've never seen it in person (can't afford the travel!)
my original art history prof has, and she said that compared to the large
prints of it, the itty bitty size was a disappointment!  The sittings for it
took literally years, because Da Vinci refused to work fast at all....

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Barbara Stone <stoneb@m.......>wrote:

> Hey, Laura!  Good job spotting the house paint!  As many times as I've
> watched that ep, I never thought to notice what kind of paint he was using.
>  I'm sure you're right, they used house paint because it was there.
>
> But Nancy has a good point:  maybe Nick was feeling experimental.  I
> remember way back in 1958 when I was 7,
> attending college for a day with my older cousin.  It was a Thursday and
> she had art.  The assignment was to paint a canvas using a brayer (like the
> rollers used to paint walls, but used in print making).  Artists do
> experiment with different materials and Nick was in a rather manic mood.  He
> really needed to paint and he really needed to paint a lot.  Why mess with
> little itty bitty tubes?  It may be cheese, but it's reasonable cheese.
>
> B. Stone
>

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