There are 10 messages totalling 337 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. paints and set dressing (5) 2. Rick springfield 3. First post, need some help (2) 4. Nick's paints (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:14:40 -0500 From: g4akl@c....... Subject: Re: paints and set dressing >> Why, oh why did they give Nick house paint to use on his oil paintings? >> Artists' oil paints come in tubes that only hold about an ounce or so of paint-- >> not cans. You make a good point. But here's another idea. Since Nick did learn to paint back when artists literally mixed their own paint from the raw materials, suppose he still prefers to do that rather than buy the "convenient" tubes of oil paint because he has much more control of his media that way. Wouldn't he mix up MORE than one tube's worth of paint at one time. Maybe he got those nice cans from a household project and just reused the empty house paint cans to hold his own self-made oil artist paint. Arletta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:34:19 -0500 From: Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......> Subject: Re: paints and set dressing Actually, probably not. Making your own paint is a time consuming process, and the paint in those cans was waaaay too liquid. Artists' oil paint is essentially linseed oil and pigment with some beeswax thrown in for binder. While it *is* cheaper to make your own (and more customizable in terms of the pigment percentage) it also takes a few hours to make a small quantity of paint. And there's nothing in his loft that he could grind the pigment with (Most likely he would have a mortar and pestle)... or something to be used as a palette. Nick would know how to do it, true, but would he have the time? I've never done it--I've only seen it done because it's easier to buy rather than make. Laura On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:14 PM, <g4akl@c.......> wrote: > >> Why, oh why did they give Nick house paint to use on his oil paintings? > >> Artists' oil paints come in tubes that only hold about an ounce or so of > paint-- >> not cans. > > You make a good point. But here's another idea. Since Nick did learn to > paint back when artists literally mixed their own paint from the raw > materials, suppose he still prefers to do that rather than > buy the "convenient" tubes of oil paint because he has much more control of > his media that way. > > Wouldn't he mix up MORE than one tube's worth of paint at one time. Maybe > he got those nice cans from a household project and just reused the empty > house paint cans to hold his own self-made oil artist paint. > > Arletta > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:00:38 -0500 From: KnghtWtch@a....... Subject: Re: Rick springfield Hello Everyone, Rick Springfield appeared in the American Theatre in EPCOT Center, Disney World Wed. Much to my surprise, there were a lot of Forever Knight Fans there to hear and see him. FK just refuses to go away. Thanks heavens. KnightWitch ;-[[[= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:57:42 -0700 From: Walt Doherty <wdoherty5@c.......> Subject: Re: paints and set dressing From: "Laura Davies" <bratling2@g.......> > 2D isn't my specialty, and I work in watercolors rather than oils or > acrylics when and if I paint, but even I know what supplies Nick *should* > have as a painter! My thinking is that because such supplies can get > pricey, perhaps it was a way to cut costs? > I don't think it had anything to do with money. I think, more practically, someone thought that since Nick was a painter, they should show cans of paint, and cans show up better that small tubes. Total lack of thought and imagination on someone's part. Walt Doherty wdoherty5@c....... Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:20:07 +0100 From: CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> Subject: Re: paints and set dressing My local arts and crafts shop sells acrylic paint in large vats and bottles (up to 2 liters, about 4 quarts). Also oils come in rather large tubes (which are ridiculously expensive of course) - also I don't find it unbelievable that Nick would re-use available containers to mix his own colors. And there are "real" artists, btw, who use wall colors to paint pictures. And I agree, they are more visible on screen than small tubes of paint. ------- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something." Plato Am 13.11.2010 um 08:57 schrieb Walt Doherty: > From: "Laura Davies" <bratling2@g.......> >> 2D isn't my specialty, and I work in watercolors rather than oils or >> acrylics when and if I paint, but even I know what supplies Nick *should* >> have as a painter! My thinking is that because such supplies can get >> pricey, perhaps it was a way to cut costs? >> > > I don't think it had anything to do with money. I think, more > practically, someone thought that since Nick was a painter, > they should show cans of paint, and cans show up better > that small tubes. > > Total lack of thought and imagination on someone's part. > > > Walt Doherty > wdoherty5@c....... > Phoenix, AZ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:27:59 -0800 From: KC Monroe <kaysea1228@y.......> Subject: Re: paints and set dressing I never had a problem with Nick's painting method as I assumed someone was buying into a stereotype of a somewhat modern "troubled artist". Nick's technique could be considered "liquid paint" which was introduced in the mid-30's. Jackson Pollack is perhaps the best known for this style and is often seen using paint in cans. There's a picture of him and cans at http://www.arthistoryspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pollock-1.jpg Pollack was "troubled", had a drinking problem and suffered from depressions - sound familiar? Pollack died in 1956 at 44 in an DUI crash which may have been suicide. --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......> wrote: > From: Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......> > Why, oh why did > they give Nick house paint to use on his oil > paintings? Artists' oil paints > come in tubes that only hold about an ounce or so of > paint--not cans. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:51:32 -0800 From: Mirax Terrik <corranterrik@y.......> Subject: First post, need some help Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, but not to Forever Knight. Been watching it since it originally aired on TV and am currently rewatching the series. Anyway, I had a questions, and I was recommended to post it here because someone might know the answer. A few years ago, I was reading some fanfiction and came across a story I enjoyed at the time. I've been wanting to reread it, but can't remember the name of it, the author, or where I found it. I'll tell what I can remember of it. It was set during third season. I remember Tracy was Nick's partner and LaCroix broadcast out of the Raven. I don't remember the main plot too well (something about a murder Nick and Tracy were investigating), but there was a subplot where one of the Nightcrawler's listeners became totally obsessed with him. The male listener began sort of stalking LaCroix, always hanging out at the Raven, dressing like LaCroix, and so on. LaCroix did become aware of this man eventually, and I think the man did get linked in somehow to the main plot,but that's about all I remember. I remember being intrigued with this subplot because we were on the outside looking in, since the man knew LaCroix only as his Nightcrawler persona. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Kelly Grosskreutz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:20:36 -0600 From: Barbara Stone <stoneb@m.......> Subject: Nick's paints Hey, Laura! Good job spotting the house paint! As many times as I've watched that ep, I never thought to notice what kind of paint he was using. I'm sure you're right, they used house paint because it was there. But Nancy has a good point: maybe Nick was feeling experimental. I remember way back in 1958 when I was 7, attending college for a day with my older cousin. It was a Thursday and she had art. The assignment was to paint a canvas using a brayer (like the rollers used to paint walls, but used in print making). Artists do experiment with different materials and Nick was in a rather manic mood. He really needed to paint and he really needed to paint a lot. Why mess with little itty bitty tubes? It may be cheese, but it's reasonable cheese. B. Stone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:24:32 -0500 From: Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......> Subject: Re: First post, need some help I do believe you're looking for Knight Lights by JL Kerr, which can be found here- http://home.comcast.net/~jlkerr1228/lights.txt On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Mirax Terrik <corranterrik@y.......>wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list, but not to Forever Knight. Been watching it since it > originally aired on TV and am currently rewatching the series. > > Anyway, I had a questions, and I was recommended to post it here because > someone might know the answer. A few years ago, I was reading some > fanfiction and came across a story I enjoyed at the time. I've been wanting > to reread it, but can't remember the name of it, the author, or where I > found it. I'll tell what I can remember of it. > > It was set during third season. I remember Tracy was Nick's partner and > LaCroix broadcast out of the Raven. I don't remember the main plot too well > (something about a murder Nick and Tracy were investigating), but there was > a subplot where one of the Nightcrawler's listeners became totally obsessed > with him. The male listener began sort of stalking LaCroix, always hanging > out at the Raven, dressing like LaCroix, and so on. LaCroix did become aware > of this man eventually, and I think the man did get linked in somehow to the > main plot,but that's about all I remember. I remember being intrigued with > this subplot because we were on the outside looking in, since the man knew > LaCroix only as his Nightcrawler persona. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Kelly Grosskreutz > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:39 -0500 From: Laura Davies <bratling2@g.......> Subject: Re: Nick's paints I will admit that house paint is better for spatter painting and covering large areas (like doors) with color. Jackson Pollock did lots of abstracts that were more spattered paint than anything. And really, anything goes when it comes to fine art these days. BUT... Nick was classically trained. Very classically trained. Anybody who studied with Rapheal and Hieronymous Bosch (Most likely with many, many other 'great' artists before and afterwards) Dead Issue had Nick remembering modeling for Bosch. By then he presumably knew his way around a paint brush, so modeling would have been a decent way to study Bosch's then cutting edge technique. (The painting Bosch is working on is the famous "Garden of Earthly Delights") Nick's abstracts look more like classic oils than house paint, though. Next time you go to an art museum, take as close a look as you can at one of the oils. They have texture. Lots of lumpy bumpy texture from layers, and layers of paint. I spent two years working in my college's art gallery and hanging exhibits, so I got a really close look at how things look. :) The texture of oils are different than the textures of other paints. (On a side note, if you ever play with acrylics, colors feel and taste different. Try it. I dare you. Red is a different texture than both yellow and blue. It's the same with ceramics glazes, printmaker's ink, and watercolors..) You can get that same texture and hue of color saturation with water colors by not watering it down.. which is how I work because I don't like pastels. Then again, the canvas for oils and acrylics also adds to the texture. I expect that he's changed his techniques with the times--hence the canvasses and acrylic gesso. Back when Nick learned to paint, he would have been painting on wood with natural gesso, which degrades some over time. And as a side note... The "da Vinci" painting for Janette? Historically, it's inaccurate. Presumably, it was painted around the same era as the Mona Lisa. The Mona Lisa is a heck of a lot smaller, painted on wood, and is pre-acrylics. While I've never seen it in person (can't afford the travel!) my original art history prof has, and she said that compared to the large prints of it, the itty bitty size was a disappointment! The sittings for it took literally years, because Da Vinci refused to work fast at all.... On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Barbara Stone <stoneb@m.......>wrote: > Hey, Laura! Good job spotting the house paint! As many times as I've > watched that ep, I never thought to notice what kind of paint he was using. > I'm sure you're right, they used house paint because it was there. > > But Nancy has a good point: maybe Nick was feeling experimental. I > remember way back in 1958 when I was 7, > attending college for a day with my older cousin. It was a Thursday and > she had art. The assignment was to paint a canvas using a brayer (like the > rollers used to paint walls, but used in print making). Artists do > experiment with different materials and Nick was in a rather manic mood. He > really needed to paint and he really needed to paint a lot. Why mess with > little itty bitty tubes? It may be cheese, but it's reasonable cheese. > > B. Stone > ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Nov 2010 to 13 Nov 2010 (#2010-10) **************************************************************
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