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Digest - 4 Apr 2009 to 5 Apr 2009 (#2009-62)
Sun, 5 Apr 2009
There are 4 messages totalling 215 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Looking at I Will Repay (4)
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:01:44 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Looking at I Will Repay
1. The introduction of Richard Lambert's character in the first few
scenes is interesting. We see that he is impatient (phoning Nat again as she
pulls up behind him to give him a ride), forgetful (leaves his briefcase in
Nat's car), and his impulses seem to override his common sense (he wants to
jump the perp in the police station even when there's a hostage who could be
hurt, a room full of police officers (doubtless with more on the way, and
Nick is trying to tell him not to). In hindsight, of course, these same
character traits are the ones that are magnified and cause all kinds of
trouble when he becomes a vampire.
2. I'm surprised that we don't see Nick blaming himself for Richard
getting shot; it seems clear that it is his second headshake at Richard
which finally causes the perp to notice Richard and shoot him. But of course
Richard is the one who started that whole chain of events...
3. Another scene we don't see is what happens in the minutes after Nat
walks in the police station and sees Richard has been shot. As a doctor, of
course, she is the person on the scene who is going to be providing first
aid until the paramedics arrive. That would have been pretty traumatic to
say the least, especially after her comments to Nick in Cherry Blossoms
about how she isn't sure she's really all that confident with living
patients anymore. To me, that thought really helps to set the stage for
Nat's very desperate plea to have Nick make Richard a vampire.
4. Nick gets too much flack for leaving Richard alone at the loft;
it's clear that he has underestimated the task, partly because he's pretty
sure Lacroix is the vampire equivalent of an abusive parent, and Nick is
pretty sure he's not going to follow in his footsteps. Also, although he
consulted Janette, she couldn't really add too much information. Presumably
Nick told Richard not to leave the loft?
5. And yes, Janette did bring across the Baroness, as we saw in a
later episode (If Looks Could Kill); she didn't mention it when Nick asked
because he already knew, and therefore presumably was asking about anyone
else. After all, they had been in and out of touch since then. Perhaps, too,
there was something about the Baroness that was not typical, or even
strengthened Nick's theory that Lacroix's model of relationships between
vampires isn't the only valid one. It's also interesting to note that,
according to Dorothy Elgren's FK timeline, it wasn't too many years after
Janette brought the Baroness across that Nick brought Elizabeth across.
Could be a fanfic lurking in there...
6. Nick sure seems pleased with himself-excited, even-after he
successfully brings Richard across. The guy is definitely an eternal
optimist. On the other hand, it seems to take him a century or two to
recover from each failed conversion before he can bring himself to try
again.
7. Richard's death makes the third vampire death in the series thus
far to not leave any physical trace (aside from clothing and jewellery).
8. Sara, Richard's wife, says she will tell their daughter Amy that
his death "was something God wanted". I sure hope she came up with something
a little better before she actually broke the news, perhaps by talking to
her priest or pastor first! Otherwise I can just picture Amy's questions
(asked or unasked): "But *why* did God want Daddy to die? Was Daddy bad?
Will God want you to die too?"
9. Isn't the kitchen table in the final scene the same one that was
broken in the fight with Nick, and ultimately furnished the stake to kill
Richard with? I guess Nick just happened to have a second one just like it
in his painting corner or something... Certainly having the table replaced
would help to reinforce Sara's belief that any memories she might have of
the fight between Richard and Nick couldn't be real. Maybe Nick (or Nat?)
put her to sleep for a few hours while they arranged for an emergency
delivery from IKEA?
10. When Nick snaps his fingers to bring Sara out of her hypnosis, this is
the only time we see this happen in the entire series. Perhaps she was under
*really* deep?
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:12:39 -0700
From: DJ Clawson <dj_clawson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Looking at I Will Repay
>Nick gets too much flack for leaving Richard alone at the loft;
>it's clear that he has underestimated the task, partly because he's
>pretty sure Lacroix is the vampire equivalent of an abusive parent, and
>Nick is pretty sure he's not going to follow in his footsteps.
So by season 3 mythology, if Nick gave Robert cow blood as his first meal,
as is implies, that would make Richard a carouche, right? Which is generally
a pretty cruel thing to do? I guess they just hadn't written the "carouche"
rules into the word setting yet. Otherwise Nick comes off looking like a jerk
for imposing his moral strictures on someone who needs something healthier.
Am I wrong about this?
- DJ
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:57:23 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Looking at I Will Repay
I'm not sure about cow blood being "healthier". What we learn in Blind Faith
is that carouches are considered a "lower order" by vampires who aren't
carouches, and that they always crave the blood of the first species they
drank from after coming across. In view of Richard's subsequent actions, I
think Nick used human blood. So how did that come about?
In the scene where Richard wakes up in Nick's bed, it seems that they may
have spoken before. Richard isn't completely disoriented, asking where or
what he is. So perhaps he first "came to" in the hospital, where human
(donated) blood was much easier to get than cow blood, and (according to
Fever) feeding the First Hunger was imperative?
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Subject: Re: Looking at I Will Repay
>Nick gets too much flack for leaving Richard alone at the loft;
>it's clear that he has underestimated the task, partly because he's
>pretty sure Lacroix is the vampire equivalent of an abusive parent, and
>Nick is pretty sure he's not going to follow in his footsteps.
So by season 3 mythology, if Nick gave Robert cow blood as his first meal,
as is implies, that would make Richard a carouche, right? Which is generally
a pretty cruel thing to do? I guess they just hadn't written the "carouche"
rules into the word setting yet. Otherwise Nick comes off looking like a
jerk for imposing his moral strictures on someone who needs something
healthier.
Am I wrong about this?
- DJ
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:40:22 -0400
From: Michele Azuddin <mobody@g.......>
Subject: Re: Looking at I Will Repay
I have often wondered if Richards reactions had something to do with not
having a "1st kill" vs. bagged human or cow blood.
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Angela Gottfred
<agottfre@t.......>wrote:
> So perhaps he first "came to" in the hospital, where human
> (donated) blood was much easier to get than cow blood, and (according to
> Fever) feeding the First Hunger was imperative?
>
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