FORKNI-L
Digest - 23 Jun 2008 to 24 Jun 2008 (#2008-150)
Tue, 24 Jun 2008
There are 17 messages totalling 559 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Do you realize how long it's been?
2. ForKni-L on FanHistory.com (4)
3. Canadian Cuts (3)
4. Need episode help on fanhistory.com
5. Help with the Forever Knight Fan History wiki pages
6. Episode Discussion: The Fire Inside (3)
7. Episode Discussion Scheduling: Amateur Night
8. I'm traveling 4th July
9. How to add yourself to the FanHistory wiki
10. Pages updated
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:42:37 -0600
From: Rebecca Hinson <rebeccahinson@c.......>
Subject: Re: Do you realize how long it's been?
-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......] On Behalf Of
Bonnie
So, I'm cleaning out my fridge ... because I'm moving.
And what do I find tucked WAY in the back? A big ol' bottle of Ribena
concentrate.
Anyone want to guess the expiration date?
December 1996!
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Two words: Holy. Crap.
To be fair, though, I have some strange things tucked away around this
apartment too. I know for a fact I have the tapes of the series floating
around here, as well as some fanfic I'd printed and/or saved.
:)
~Cousin Becky
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:53:45 -0600
From: Rebecca Hinson <rebeccahinson@c.......>
Subject: Re: ForKni-L on FanHistory.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......] On Behalf Of
Jan J.
Thanks Nancy!!
Wouldn't it be a hoot if it were Russell T. Davies
Writer/Producer/Director of the new Doctor Who.
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Oooh. Just... ooooh.
*head explosion*
:)
~Cousin Becky
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:38:34 -0700
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: ForKni-L on FanHistory.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Hinson
Thanks Nancy!!
Wouldn't it be a hoot if it were Russell T. Davies Writer/Producer/Director
of the new Doctor Who.
Um...don't hold your breath. No professional would waste time writing
fanfic. And RTD has always been way busy. If this person were involved with
the industry, I have no doubt it was on the tech side, not the talent side.
Or was a student in a script-writing class.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:51:16 -0700
From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......>
Subject: Re: ForKni-L on FanHistory.com
Actually, some professionals do occasionally write fan fic. I
actually had one publisher who encouraged me to do it because every
time I posted Forever Knight fan fic, people would google for more
and stumble across his site with sales going up! <g> I've been on
discussion panels at sci fi cons with full-time professional writers
who admitted they occasionally dabbled for fun.
However, it is extremely rare, I think. Most don't have time as
they must focus on works that will put food on the table. I can't
really see a television writer having time to do so and there very
well could be some major conflict of interests. I'm fairly certain
the television studios frown on it majorly and a script writer won't
want to risk it. I won't write or read comic book related fanfic for
that reason, even cross overs with Forever Knight.
--Libby
Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......> wrote
Um...don't hold your breath. No professional would waste time writing
fanfic. And RTD has always been way busy.
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:31:51 -0700
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Canadian Cuts
I've added the Canadian Cuts to the FK terminology on fan history.com.
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Canadian_cut
I could only remember or find a few of them.
If you have more specifics, please click on the page, then either
click edit at the top of the page or click edit in the section you
would like to edit.
Do you think "German version" should also be listed as a separate
terminology page? And does anyone else remember the German flesh
shots from the other episodes?
Regards,
Susan M. Garrett
susanmgarrett@e.......
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:41:33 -0700
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Re: Need episode help on fanhistory.com
Hey, Nat!
Thanks very much - they'd be a great addition to the episode pages.
I'll link those to the episode pages when I get a chance.
I've created a page for your fansite:
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Forever_Knight_Episode_Archives
and linked it up to the images and fansite listings.
Please go to that link, hit edit, and add the information about your site.
Thanks very much for the help!
Regards,
Susan M. Garrett
susanmgarrett@e.......
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:09:44 -0700
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Re: ForKni-L on FanHistory.com
JL Kerr said:
>>What a great idea! Though I'm not with AOL any more, they haven't
deleted my fiction page so I went ahead and linked it in the wiki.
JL Kerr (still lurking about)
http://members.aol.com/jlkerr1228/index.html>>
Great! I also created a fanfiction archive page for you at:
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Forever_Knight_Fan_Fiction_by_JL_Kerr
Just click on the link, click the edit tab, and fill in the
categories you like (you can delete the categories you don't need).
I'm afraid I don't have time to create the individual pages for your
fanfic, but you can do that by copying the source template from:
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Template:Story
enter the name of your story into the search engine (no quote marks)
Click the go button
then click the red link that asks you if you want to create that page
When the form comes up, comp in the template, save it, then edit the
page to your heart's content.
Oh, and don't forget to add [[Category:Forever Knight fan fiction]]
at the bottom of your page, so your story will show up on the fanfiction page.
If you had any stories nominated or that won any of the FK awards, go
to the awards page and add a link.
That's what I like about this wiki - it's pretty much a
do-it-yourself kind of thing.
Any questions, you know where to find me!
Regards,
Susan M. Garrett
susanmgarrett@e.......
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:12:37 -0700
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Re: Help with the Forever Knight Fan History wiki pages
Arletta said: <<I made an attempt at defining FKWAR and FACTIONS
under the Terminology section on the Forever Knight page.>>
Most excellent. I'll probably create individual terminology pages
for those and it will be great to have that info to start with. I'm
glad I have a lot of the old digests, so I can track the history on
this stuff.
If you see something that you can add or fix on the wiki - just hit
the edit button and start typing.
Regards,
Susan M. Garrett
susanmgarrett@e.......
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:51:09 -0400
From: Michele Azuddin <mobody@g.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian Cuts
I was under the impression that the "flesh shots" were more myth than truth.
On 6/24/08, Susan M. Garrett <susanmgarrett@e.......> wrote:
>
> Do you think "German version" should also be listed as a separate
> terminology page? And does anyone else remember the German flesh shots from
> the other episodes?
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:20:05 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: The Fire Inside
Well...better a week late than never.
1) why does Nick travel with Janette/LaCroix? His answer of "preferring
security in numbers" sounds forced...as if he made it up on the spot.
Seems pretty clear that he is conflicted at this time. He won't kill,
but he does still wish to be with Janette/LaCroix.
2) the look on Janette's face is interesting when the runaway slaves
reveal themselves. LaCroix is very amused, but Janette looks as
concerned as Nick. It flashes on and off, but she does have maternal
instincts
3) Natalie is really thrown by having to deal with the body of the 1st
victim. You'd think a coronor in a major city would deal with multiple
bad fire victims (from building fires) over the course of a year. It
gives the character something to do, but it doesn't seem terribly
logical.
4) OK, I know it is a TV show..and certain rules of logic don't apply...
but why the heck would the lights be on in what appear to be deserted
utility corridors? Of course, throughout this entire thing there is a
lot more amibent light around than I think would really be the case in a
real sewer/utility system (at least judging by having watched too much
Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs).
5) Nick and Schanke only brought 1 flashlight between them? I know Nick
doesn't really need one, but Schanke doesn't know that.
6) I like the way that they had Cohen handle Natalie's issue with the
burn victim. She didn't do the stereotypical "screaming captain of
detectives" thing. She actually showed some management skill and
compassion for a fellow worker.
7) does anyone know if the color change for the vampire eyes (from a
green glow to orange) was a deliberate color shift or do to a new
technique for doing the glow that was simply easier/safer?
8) Not really a military flamethrower. More of a hopped up propane
torch. The thing doesn't have any real range. Either Nick or Schanke
could have shot the guy several times...although then the story would be
over too quick.
9) Nick and Natalie sitting cheek-to-cheek by the fireplace in Nick's
place is one of my very favorite NickAndNatePacker images.
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:21:09 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion Scheduling: Amateur Night
Amateur Night is the next one up.
July 1st is the day.
Tim
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:20:05 -0700
From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......>
Subject: I'm traveling 4th July
Howdy all,
I'll be traveling over the weekend of the 4th and the
week after to OH. I'll be in Dayton for a few days
then heading to Cleveland for 5 days. If anyone is
going to be in the area, drop me a line offlist and
maybe we can touch base. (And I'll be staying at a
member's home in Dayton, so if you are going to her
blowout party, I'll be there ;)
Kristen Fife, Author
http://tinyurl.com/2wgmdg
In Memory of Tuffer -1/9/02-11/15/07
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:38:00 +0200
From: CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian Cuts
Yes, myth. For the last and ultimate time - the "aired" German
version is the Canadian version. What else there was, was left on the
cutting room floor.
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because
they have to say something." Plato
Am 24.06.2008 um 14:51 schrieb Michele Azuddin:
> I was under the impression that the "flesh shots" were more myth than truth.
>
> On 6/24/08, Susan M. Garrett <susanmgarrett@e.......> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think "German version" should also be listed as a separate
>> terminology page? And does anyone else remember the German flesh
>> shots from
>> the other episodes?
>>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:13:54 -0700
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: How to add yourself to the FanHistory wiki
Here's how to ADD yourself to the FanHistory wiki as a Forever Knight fan:
1. Go to http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Category:Forever_Knight_fans
2. In the search box on the left hand side of the page, type in your
name as you want it to appear in the fan listing
3. Click the GO button
4. Click the red link that says "You can create this page."
5. Enter this text [[Category:Forever Knight fans]]
6. Click the SAVE PAGE button
7. Go back to
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Category:Forever_Knight_fans -
you're on the list!
Now, how do you enter the data about YOU? (This can be used by the
people who have just created their record or who already exist.)
1. Click on
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php?title=Template:Person&action=edit
2. Copy the contents
3. Click on your name link on
http://www.fanhistory.com/index.php/Category:Forever_Knight_fans
4. Click the EDIT tab
5. Paste the template data in the center section
6. Click the PREVIEW button
7. This will show you what the fields look like. At the bottom of
the page is the actual edit box. Enter your information. You can
change or remove acetgories that don't apply to you, add more
categories etc. As you make your changes, click the preview button
to view them.
8. When you're happy with what you see, click the SAVE PAGE button.
It is also a good idea to click the SAVE PAGE button occasionally and
open edit again, just to save what you have so far.
[[text]] is what you use to highlight a page that exists - or will
exist - the wiki. It can be used for show names, episode names, fan
names, names of fanworks, etc.
If you also belong to other fandoms, add [[Category:SERIES fans]] to
the bottom of your listing and you'll show up on other fan pages.
If you need any more information, please let me know.
Susan M. Garrett
susanmgarrett@e.......
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:51:14 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: The Fire Inside
This has never been one of my favorite episodes -- maybe that's why it's
interesting to discuss ;)
> 3) Natalie is really thrown by having to deal with the body of the 1st
> victim. You'd think a coronor in a major city would deal with multiple
> bad fire victims (from building fires) over the course of a year.
Graphic information warning - please skip if you're easily grossed out.
I read a book by a forensic physical anthropologist a few years ago. He
noted that one gets used to the smell of rotting human flesh (and the
"Vick's on the lip" trick does *not* work, btw), but burn victims are
actually tougher to deal with because the smell is quite reminiscent of
barbecued meat, leading to a desire for same, and subsequent conflicted
feelings.
> 5) Nick and Schanke only brought 1 flashlight between them?
Let's just say one of them is better at planning and organization than the
other :)
> 8) Not really a military flamethrower.
Also, the *real* cause of death from flamethrowers isn't burns, it's
asphyxiation, as the fire rapidly consumes all the air in the vicinity. But
as a terrifying weapon, it's hard to beat.
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:14:57 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: The Fire Inside
> 5) Nick and Schanke only brought 1 flashlight between them?
> Let's just say one of them is better at planning and organization than
the
> other :)
True.
Nick doesn't seem the "sweat the details" much with things like
paperwork. I can easily believe that Schanke knows if he wants a
flashlight, he'd better make sure it is available himself...as Nick
won't even think about it (especially since Nick really doesn't need
it).
> 8) Not really a military flamethrower.
> Also, the *real* cause of death from flamethrowers isn't burns,
> it's asphyxiation, as the fire rapidly consumes all the air in the
> vicinity.
I do not believe you are generally correct, but this isn't the
place to debate esoteric military hardware.
:-)
Arming the guy with a flamethrower did make him a creditable
threat to Nick and did let them tie Nick and Natalie's joint fear of
fire together into the storyline.
It is interesting symbology that the show ends with both of them
relaxing before the contained flame of Nick's fireplace.
They fear unrestrained fire...not "domesticated" fire.
And the fear of lack of restraint and the welcoming of restraint
is a theme that is there in Nick and Natalie's interpersonal
relationship
Tim
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:26:55 -0700
From: NAT <nat1228@c.......>
Subject: Pages updated
I've been working feverishly over the past couple of days to get my
FK web page updated. The main page now contains banner links to my
screen capture archives, my fan fiction, and my extensive FK links
page (with new links added for the FK Fan History Wiki pages).
http://www.squidge.org/~nat1228/fk.htm
The links near the bottom of the page, to such oldies-but-goodies as
the "FK Nepotism Page" and others, have all been updated. All pages
have been moved OFF Fortune City, Tripod, and Angelfire and onto the
ad-free, pop-up free server that hosts my main FK page. Come and take
a look -- reminisce. Unfortunately, I was unable to update the
pictures as well, since the source video for these pages is long
lost. I hope you'll find them enjoyable just the same.
And if McLisa and Don would ever like to send me updated pictures of
themselves, I'd gladly get them posted to replace the older ones
currently up at the site. :-)
Oh, one last thing... If we have any cross stitchers in the fandom --
I'd love to post a picture of your handiwork on my Cross Stitchers of
the Knight page. Just send me a JPEG of your work and a little blurb
about its background.
Nat
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Nancy A. Taylor -- Knightie, N&NPack
nat1228@c.......
http://www.squidge.org/~nat1228/fk.htm
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