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Digest - 5 Jun 2007 to 6 Jun 2007 (#2007-68)

Wed, 6 Jun 2007

There are 4 messages totalling 171 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Episode Discussion: I Will Repay (2)
  2. rick springfield show
  3. Episode Discussion: Dead Air

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:18:52 +0200
From:    P J <blue_twingo772@y.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: I Will Repay

From: phylis sullivan:

> Wouldn't Nick and Richard have that same connection, 

at least sense the emotions in him? <



Yes, they should. My guess is that Nick tuned it out 

because he refused to have the same power over Richard 

as Lacroix had over him.

 

Petra.


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Date:    Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:49:39 -0500
From:    Roxana Elizondo <roxeliz@h.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: I Will Repay

>From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
>4) nice scene with Natalie and Nick as she asks him to cross her brother
>over.  "don't you have any humanity?"  "I don't know.  You are the only
>one who thought I did." She argued hard with Nick and pushed a lot of 
>buttons.

That scene is perhaps hands down one of my all time favorites scenes *ever* 
on the show. My jaw just dropped when I saw the unedited scene for the first 
time on DVD. Catherine Disher really knocked it out of the ballpark. Her 
Gemini nomination for this episode was well deserved.

Natalie goes though a smorgasbord of emotions. When she arrives at Nick’s 
loft she’s distraught, then pragmatic about the reality of Richard’s 
injuries, then steadfast and determined when she presents Nick with her 
idea. At the same time she’s trying to convince herself that her proposal of 
bringing Richard across is a good one. Deep down she knows it’s wrong but 
she’s blinded by grief and love. When Nick rejects the idea it’s a jolt to 
her system. To hear the word ‘No’ out loud takes the wind out of her sails 
momentarily and Natalie responds with the only emotion she hasn’t really 
entertained yet—anger, and when it consumes her it got very ugly.

Disher and the writer painted an unflattering picture of Natalie that I 
think was really necessary. It gave her character some dimension considering 
that up till this point in the series Natalie as a character had mostly been 
viewed as Nick's support system (not that that's bad because it's an 
important and necessary role for her to play) but this episode really gave 
Natalie some demons of her own to deal with. She pleaded, cajoled, and when 
everything else failed she bullied Nick into trying to persuade him. You can 
really see her grasping at straws when she starts talking about how the sun 
isn't really as big a problem as they thought it was. Yeah right Nat. Keep 
telling yourself that.

You're absolutely right that she pushed Nick's buttons because she knew 
exactly what to say to get him to do what she wanted. She calls into 
question Nick’s humanity; the one thing Natalie knows is precious to him. 
Emotionally Nick hadn’t let anybody inside in quite a long time so other 
than Janette and LaCroix no one knows Nick as well as Natalie does and she 
uses it to her advantage. She knows exactly what buttons to push to get a 
reaction out of Nick. Was is right? No it's not but it's easy to empathize 
with her situation.

I also love what they did with her appearance. When she picks up Richard at 
the start of the episode she's so put together. She's polished, 
professional, and lovely. By the time she gets to the loft after a long 
night at the hospital she's a shell of the woman we'd seen. Her clothes are 
rumpled, tears line her face, and her hair is completely askew. She's a 
wreck and she's trying so hard to keep it together.

Another thing that was great in that scene is the way Geraint empties the 
wine glass when the script calls for Natalie to throw some more venom his 
way. The tip was a very simple movement that carried so much weight and 
flowed beautifully.


>From: P J <blue_twingo772@y.......>
>I like the look on Natalie's face when Nick brings her brother across. 
>Something between shock >and uncertainty. Actually this is the first time 
>that she sees Nick actually biting someone.
>   Petra.

This is an interesting observation which I hadn't thought about. This scene 
works for me on so many levels. Like you said it's probably the first time 
Natalies seen Nick bite anybody (it's probably been a while since he has as 
well) but being in that close proximity to the vampire must be sobering. It 
continues to drive home the reality of what Natalie's gotten herself into. 
Nick is a vampire and while he could very well be the object of her 
brother's salvation, it doesn't come without consequences.

I like it when Natalie, who is very obviously conflicted at the time, and 
the vamped out Nick grab on to each other. Bringing someone across is a very 
personal thing but there they are together. She's tethering Nick to the 
humanity he's afraid he'll lose by going through with the deed by standing 
firmly with him and he's offering her the strength he possesses as a friend. 
I wonder if the hand grab was something that was in the script or 
improvised? Either way it's very powerful.

One last thing, Natalie's premature outrage when she believed Nick "killed" 
Richard was amusing and showed that her protectiveness over her brother was 
overriding her common sense. "When was the last time you tried to do this!?" 
Uh Nat let's not forget that you were the one that wanted Nick to do this. 
It wasn't his idea so let's try to show a little gratitude huh.

Roxana


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Date:    Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:33:59 EDT
From:    Fkvampire@a.......
Subject: rick springfield show

For the fans who like rick springfield for his music, he will performing at  
Frontier days, Arlington heights, Il on July 7th.  The show is free ( but  
they get you with the cost of food and drink). always some catch.   lol.  
 
Erica
 
"A woman's  duty: To look the whole world in the face with a go-to-hell look 
in the eyes; To  have an ideal; To speak and act in defiance of convention."


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Date:    Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:11:10 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dead Air

> 2) Is 911 also an emergency number in Canada?  

Yes, it is. 

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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