FORKNI-L
Digest - 29 Jan 2007 to 31 Jan 2007 (#2007-24)
Wed, 31 Jan 2007
There are 13 messages totalling 402 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. The film 300 (3)
2. Unnamed "Hunted" Villain
3. new series sounds too familiar (7)
4. new series sounds..more thoughts
5. more thoughts....new series sounds too familiar
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:02:59 -0800
From: Bonnie <callalily@l.......>
Subject: The film 300
Have any of you been seeing the tv commercials/trailers for the film "300"?
The story is based on Frank Miller's graphic novel about the Battle of
Thermopylae in 480 B.C. and guess who's in it...
Our very own...
Greg Kramer! As Ephor, in full-on head to toe prostetic make-up.
Oh, yeah, David Wenham's in it too, but Greg didn't have any scenes with
him. Apparently Gerard Butler is nice, though.
If anyone goes to see this film, it would be great to hear a report!
Bonnie
callalily@l.......
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:31:29 -0500
From: Mildred Cady <mildred.cady@g.......>
Subject: Re: The film 300
Oh I am *so* there... I love Frank Miller's work... and have you seen the
bodies on the Spartans?
~Millie
On 1/31/07, Bonnie <callalily@l.......> wrote:
>
> Have any of you been seeing the tv commercials/trailers for the film
> "300"?
> The story is based on Frank Miller's graphic novel about the Battle of
> Thermopylae in 480 B.C. and guess who's in it...
>
> Our very own...
>
> Greg Kramer! As Ephor, in full-on head to toe prostetic make-up.
>
> Oh, yeah, David Wenham's in it too, but Greg didn't have any scenes with
> him. Apparently Gerard Butler is nice, though.
>
> If anyone goes to see this film, it would be great to hear a report!
>
> Bonnie
> callalily@l.......
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:44:19 -0800
From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: Unnamed "Hunted" Villain
In second-season's "Hunted," I noticed no name -- spoken or in
the credits -- for the sociopathic woman who hunted people. (I
wonder whether there is a name in the script, but even if there is,
the name is not a component of the episode as aired.) For me, this
namelessness contributes to the distance between her and everyone
else, both the distance she maintains in her feeling of superiority,
and the distance everyone else would feel by not being sociopathic murderers.
Still, it's unusual. She may have more lines and more screen
time than any other unnamed character in FK. (Other unnamed
characters who spring to mind are the deranged fan in "Dying for
Fame" who murders Wendy and back-up singers -- I wonder what happened
in his murder trial, with the Rebecca cover-up? -- and the bald,
African-descended, Raven waitress who appears in several
second-season episodes, but has lines only in "Bad Blood.")
What does the present-day hunter's namelessness mean to your
interpretation of "Hunted"?
(BTW, in the 01/29 digest, Chris Thatcher <mb_the_spy@y.......>
mused on GWD roles, and asked "is [the illegitimate son] Edward [in
_King Lear_]?" It's "Edmund." Like the _Blackadder_ character. <g>)
Amy R., Knightie
akr@l.......
Bright Knight: http://users.LMI.net/akr/fk/
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:58:10 -0500
From: Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......>
Subject: Re: The film 300
For those who are interested, the film opens in the US on March 9. It will
also be making its 'debut' at the Berlin Film Festival next month, so our German
list members have a good chance to see it before the rest of us.
Adina Montgomery
Prior message:
>Our very own...
>
>Greg Kramer! As Ephor, in full-on head to toe prostetic make-up.
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:31:58 EST
From: Susankenn@a.......
Subject: new series sounds too familiar
Hi
From Newsday Today
CBS has picked up two more drama pilots: Twilight and Babylon Fields.
Twilight centers around a private investigator/vampire who struggles with the
repercussions of immortality, his adversaries in the vampire world and the love
he feels for a mortal.
HMM, you would think that CBS would recognize their own show. I wonder if
someone like Parriot could complain.
I am not sure how I feel about this
Sue
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:39:56 -0800
From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......>
Subject: Re: new series sounds too familiar
On what grounds? There were many vampire detectives in novels before Forever
Knight. PN Elrod comes to mind. And I know there was at least one other about the
same timeframe.
Instead of pre-judging the show, why not watch it? Just because it isn't
Forever Knight doesn't mean it is a bad show. It might be terrific. It might not be.
Most likely, some of us will love it, some won't.
let's not have a lash out at another television show like we did when The
Kindred tv series was announced. Although I don't think any of us would do this, a
forkni-l member did go to the Kindred discussion board and post some very
hateful remarks about The Kindred making FK fandom look bad. I know of one FK fan
who basically dropped FK because of these postings. She didn't want to be a part
of such a petty fandom :-(
HMM, you would think that CBS would recognize their own show. I wonder if
someone like Parriot could complain.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:45:56 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: new series sounds too familiar
--- Susankenn@a....... wrote:
> Twilight centers around a private investigator/vampire who
> struggles with the repercussions of immortality, his adversaries >
in the vampire world and the love he feels for a mortal.
Well you could also say it sounds similar to 'Angel'. That's kind of
why I couldn't get into Angel...
Before people jump in on this, yes, I know it is a different show,
but there are marked similarities, so TO ME (IN MY OWN MIND) it was
almost like betraying FK to watch Angel. I think I also felt that
way because it aired right around the same time FK was airing.
With this new show, if anyone complains they would say the main
character is a PI not a cop... which actually makes it more similar
in that respect to Angel... So it looks like they took bits and
pieces from both shows. <g>
-Amanda
"This dark gift brings enlightened sight, as if the sun's bright rays
illuminate sweet mortal forms to take my breath away."
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
http://lestat.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:08:47 EST
From: Susankenn@a.......
Subject: Re: new series sounds too familiar
HI
I was not complaining yet. I will certainly give it a chance. I have no idea
on casting. I was just wondering how similar a show can be before it becomes
copyright infringement. More as a point of interest than complaint.
Sue
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:13:59 -0500
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: new series sounds too familiar
>Twilight centers around a private investigator/vampire who
>struggles with the repercussions of immortality, his
>adversaries in the vampire world and the love he feels for a mortal.
>I am not sure how I feel about this
Enjoy it.
If it is good and successful...it may lead others to the
"original" show (IE Forever Knight on DVD) or it may lead to someone
getting up the leverage for something like a FK reunion show...based
upon the popularity of vampire television.
Wouldn't it be fun to see Ger and Catherine playing Nick and Nat
once again....almost twenty years after Last Knight...a mortal coronoer
and her semidead police boyfriend with an undead "father in law" that
they are having to deal with.
Even if it a reunion never happens...why be petty about a new
show?
This isn't like Battlestar Galactica...where the new show is
very clearly a remake of the original.
This is someone using concepts that are basic enough that in a
one-sentence description...they look a lot a like.
If you have a character who is a vampire...it is a common
formula to have them conflicted about living forever, to have vampiric
enemies and to have the friction of a mortal love....
Many sitcoms today are "a clueless husband, his put-upon wife,
their wacky kids deal with their annoying parents and the hassels of
modern life"
Ingredients are the same...it is how you cook them up that
defines the show.
Would I like to see a remake/continuation of FK...yep.
But, until someone in Hollyweird sees the money to be made in
such an endeavor, I think dismissing a new show because it sounds a
little familiar in a one-sentence description is going a little too far.
Tim
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:26:35 +0000
From: Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: new series sounds too familiar
> From Newsday Today
>
> CBS has picked up two more drama pilots: Twilight and Babylon Fields.
> Twilight centers around a private investigator/vampire who struggles with the
> repercussions of immortality, his adversaries in the vampire world and the
love
> he feels for a mortal.
I've got to admit that I'm amused by the wording of the report on this here:
http://firefox.org/news/articles/57/1/CBS-Sees-Dead-People-in-Two-New-Fantasy-Pilots/Page1.html
Amy
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:45:54 -0800
From: Jeannie Ecklund <gersknightlady@y.......>
Subject: Re: new series sounds too familiar
Hey I don't care if the idea is similar. We aren't
going to get any more FK in the near future. I'm more
than willing to see what this new one is like.
People said the same thing about Star Trek-NG. Ive
seen all the Star Trek TV series and they all have
good characters and episodes. I knid of like that the
new show has a vampire detective and fights the same
feeling Nick did. Maybe it's a tribute to FK and with
hope this one will have a far better ending.
Jeannie
--- Susankenn@a....... wrote:
> Hi
>
> From Newsday Today
>
> CBS has picked up two more drama pilots: Twilight
> and Babylon Fields.
> Twilight centers around a private
> investigator/vampire who struggles with the
> repercussions of immortality, his adversaries in the
> vampire world and the love he
> feels for a mortal.
>
>
> HMM, you would think that CBS would recognize their
> own show. I wonder if
> someone like Parriot could complain.
>
>
> I am not sure how I feel about this
>
> Sue
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:01:08 -0800
From: Jeannie Ecklund <gersknightlady@y.......>
Subject: Re: new series sounds..more thoughts
We all love FK and wish it was still going but it's
not. I was and old Dark Shadows fan and thought I
would die when it was over...LOL I didn't. I say if
we all love Vampires...the more the merrier. I don't
see watching another show that may be just as good as
betraying the wondeful series that FK was. Its just
supporting new Vampire material.
Jeannie
--- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
wrote:
> --- Susankenn@a....... wrote:
> > Twilight centers around a private
> investigator/vampire who
> > struggles with the repercussions of immortality,
> his adversaries >
> in the vampire world and the love he feels for a
> mortal.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:16 -0800
From: Jeannie Ecklund <gersknightlady@y.......>
Subject: Re: more thoughts....new series sounds too familiar
We all love FK and wish it was still going but it's
not. I was and old Dark Shadows fan and thought I
would die when it was over...LOL I didn't. I say if
we all love Vampires...the more the merrier. I don't
see watching another show that may be just as good as
betraying the wondeful series that FK was. Its just
supporting new Vampire material.
Jeannie
--- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
wrote:
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