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Digest - 6 Aug 2006 to 7 Aug 2006 (#2006-211)

Mon, 7 Aug 2006

There are 5 messages totalling 165 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned-- new question (5)

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Date:    Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:17:19 -0700
From:    Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned-- new question

--- Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@c.......> wrote:
<<<SNIP>>>rosses... any explaination on that one???
>
> I've maintained for years that it's not *faith* or
> Goodness that burns a
> vampire, but Light/Sun/Fire symbols.
<<<<<LOTS MORE SNIPPAGE>>>>>
>). Give me time
> to reread up on Egyptian
> mythology and I think I can get the ankh worked in
> there as well.
>

According to Wikipedia, the ankh didn't originally
have any sort of association with light to the Ancient
Egyptians, but it *was* associated with light by the
hermeticists.

I also looked it up on a few mythology sites,
including some specializing in Egyptian myths (no time
for book research, I'm also cooking dinner), and it
doesn't seem to come up.

Hope that helps.

"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."
Samuel Beckett

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Date:    Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:15:05 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned-- new question

But he was sitting on the side of the confessional
that was supposedly reserved for the clergy...that is
what puzzled me.

--- Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> wrote:

> > A thought, if you will; a confessional box is for
> all sinners
>
> Good point! If there's one place where Nick should
> feel okay inside a church, it
> would probably be the confessional.

"The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood of
humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progress
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/

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Date:    Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:31:49 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned-- new question

> Kristen Fife wrote:

> But he was sitting on the side of the confessional
> that was supposedly reserved for the clergy...that is
> what puzzled me.

The schedule for confessions is posted in the church---if Nick had
looked at that he would know if it were safe to be in the priest's
side of the confessional.

In my church, as soon as someone kneels in the penitent's side, the
kneeler triggers a light over the door so other people would see if
someone were in there or not and thus get in line for their turn.
Seeing the light on when confession is not being heard would be very
odd indeed and might lead someone to open the door to see what was
going on.

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:02:26 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned-- new question

Luicia wrote:

> maybe the cross for Lacroix represents
> not faith in the Christian God but
> goodness, ultimate goodness by man??

Given the time that he lived, not to mention the number of people he himself
executed by crucifixion, I find it impossible to imagine any experience that
would make LaCroix see a cross as anything but a very commonplace form of
execution, with no more potential as a symbol of goodness than a hangman's
noose or a guillotine or an electric chair would have for later generations.


There's a lot of evidence that in the FK universe, the power of objects that
are "symbols of the one true light" do not depend on the vampire's belief
for their effect. Nick is zapped by the obsidian knife before he knows
anything about its spiritual significance, and he is affected by the menorah
although he was never in his mortal life taught to look at it with respect,
much less reverence.

So, LaCroix is at the mercy of the cross and other symbols. He seems to
accept this as an unpleasant fact of life, and probably puts it in the
category of things that, in his mind, are evidence of the worldview behind
his rhetorical question to Nick during the asteroid scare,  "If there is a
God, must It be sane?"

Mary
Mary Combs N&Npack

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Date:    Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:15:58 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned-- new question

Liz wrote--
> But Raven is not a Good diety, he's the Trickster.
> Also, Ancient Egypt didn't really have Good vs.
> Bad dieties.

Ah, but Liz is describing true history that requires some knowledge and/or
research that goes beyond--"Ok, we're in Eqypt, we need a symbol of 'the
light'--okay, Sun God..." Or perhaps "Props..We need a sarcophagus--okay,
what's that symbol on top of it?" <gr>

FK makes some huge howlers when it comes to basic history (the whole Queen
of Harps episode is ludicrous). If Susan Bennett were still on Forkni-L,
she'd be stepping in with an eloquent speech against the whole Blackwing
episode, particularly the concept of Nick and Marian's sexual healing
encounter.

Mary
Mary Combs N&Npack

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