There are 10 messages totalling 343 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. FK Season 3 DVD set (4) 2. Episode Discussion: For I Have Sinned 3. Hey all 4. BB on QAF? (3) 5. Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned--Seal of the confessional ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:14:03 -0700 From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......> Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set My favorite, Deep Discount DVD's (States) has it for: $43.08 pre-order http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=COL015922 --- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......> wrote: > First I just have to say WOOT!!!!!! > > I just checked amazon and they have it listed for > $41.99 on sale. Kewl. "The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood of humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progress See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:59:03 -0400 From: Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......> Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set DeepDiscountDVD has it also for $43.08 (US$) with free shipping. http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=COL015922 -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> > Sent: Jul 26, 2006 4:24 PM > To: FORKNI-L@l....... > Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set > > Amazon.ca has it for $47.54 Cdn, which they say is 30% off list price: > http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000H5TH16/701-4750366-2580354?v=glance&n=917972 > &s=dvd&v=glance > > It's not on the Chapters/Indigo website. Placing my pre-order now!!! > > Your humble & obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:18:02 -0700 From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......> Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set --- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......> wrote: > First I just have to say WOOT!!!!!! > > I just checked amazon and they have it listed for > $41.99 on sale. If you're ordering from Amazon.com, why not click to it through the Forever Knight listing at TVShowsonDVD.com. They don't have a clickable link up yet, but if you can wait a bit to preorder, I bet they will soon. Clicking through them to get to Amazon.com supports TVShowsonDVD.com, which has been a great resource for news on DVDs in FK and many other fandoms. Laurie of the Isles <Laudon1228@y......> http://1-mad-squirrel.livejournal.com/ "Never meddle in the affairs of vampires, for you are a walking juice box and would fit nicely in Nick's trunk." - me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:44:09 -0400 From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......> Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: For I Have Sinned He may have but in telling Father Rochefort he made him complicit in his cleansing of the church He may even been pointing out to him in a twisted sense that this something he should have taken care of himself. I was thinking from the point of view of Father Rochefort that it would be pure torture for him to know that he could stop this man from doing what he was doing but only at the expense of his own beliefs and everything he was. He couldn't help but feel some sort of responsibility for each death that happened afterwards. Debbie > From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......> > I think he held respect for the priesthood, > although he might have been frustrated that the church > wasn't "able" to cleanse itself. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:37:40 -0700 From: Tammy Smith <nikbait@y......> Subject: Hey all Hello everyone. I am back after a several year hiatus from this list. I have since been married and now have a home:) I just heard the great news that FK season 3 is going to be FINALLY! released onto dvd!! YAYYYY!! Anyways, just wanted to drop a note saying hi, and look forward to all the discussions that I know I have missed! Love, Tammy Smith (lidyard) nikbait@y...... "The Key To Immortality Is First Living A Life Worth Remembering"---B.B.L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:26:02 -0700 From: Bonnie <callalily@l.......> Subject: BB on QAF? Am I the only one who didn't know that Ben Bass was on Queer As Folk? I'm watching the fifth season and he just walks in, saunters up to one of the regulars, and plants a big wet one! OMG! Was this all over the list and I missed it or did no one say anything? Wow, John Kapelos AND Ben Bass on the final season of QAF. Man oh man. Bonnie callalily@l....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:15:20 +0200 From: Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> Subject: Re: BB on QAF? It was mentioned very briefly on the list when the episodes first aired. Bonnie wrote: > Am I the only one who didn't know that Ben Bass was on Queer As Folk? I'm > watching the fifth season and he just walks in, saunters up to one of the > regulars, and plants a big wet one! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:46:36 -0400 From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......> Subject: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned--Seal of the confessional On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Mary Combs wrote: > It is and always has been a wrenching problem for a priest of conscience > precisely because he may not speak even if a murderer not only tells him > that he has killed in the past but also reveals his intention to kill in the > future--a statement that makes absolution impossible. The first article she cites, Father William Saunders' http://catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0059.html, is very clear on the absolute constraint placed on a priest in this situation. He may speak of something said to him in confession only if the penitent wishes him to do so--which obviously is not true of the killer in "For I Have Sinned". In fact, according to Saunders, a priest is not even supposed to act on what he has heard in a way that would "displease" the penitent. It strikes me that, in trying to warn Magda, Father Rochefort came *at best* pretty perilously close to violating canon law. His warning her would surely "displease" the killer! (Mind you, I don't imagine anyone in the story would be about to complain to an ecclesiastical court.) However, the second article Mary cites (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13649b.htm) is interesting because it describes the history of the interaction of ecclesiastical and state law in this matter--mostly with reference to English common law. As she points out, the article was written almost a hundred years ago, and is hence out of date. At that time, some jurisdictions--and the article cites some American states as examples--did indeed have statutes that exempted priests from having to testify about things told them in confession. However, there was *no* privileged communication for priests in the various legal sysems in Britain. The fact that this article is so old may well mean that it is out of date on this point. But it is definite that there was (then) no statute explicitly conferring privilege on priests under English law, nor did they have such privilege under English common law. And, at that time, the same was true in Canada. I've tried checking online to see if I can find out what the situation is today; but I can't particularly find anything one way or the other. So I don't know whether there may (or may not) be some current statute in Canadian law permitting priests to refuse to testify on the basis of confidentiality. Of course, I'm not a lawyer. (Any Canadian lawyers out there?) . One thing is clear: there have certainly been cases in the past where an *English* court has required a priest to reveal something he learned in confession. Each time it happened, the priest refused to do so, and was imprisoned for contempt of court. Now, none of those cases cited in the encyclopedia article involved a serious offence. And it is here, particularly, that the ethical question becomes significant. The article makes frequent reference to "public policy", and points out that strictures on the Catholic church eased a lot towards the end of the nineteenth century once Catholicism ceased to be proscribed or restricted under English law. This means that public policy in the twentieth century might be expected to run increasingly towards *accepting* the Catholic church's position on the privileged position of priests when it comes to not having to testify. But "public policy" also mandates the preservation of public safety. It is noticeable that the article cites one quite early legal authority who held that there were circumstances in which priests should not have privilege--notably where high treason was involved, because of the threat to the public weal. Well, a serial killer certainly also threatens public safety! How many people would still support Rochefort's refusal to help the police if there had been further murders? He did have a choice to speak. He chose not to; but he *could* have. The ethical issues surrounding his refusal were not really addressed in "For I Have Sinned". It was written in such a way that Rochefort's silence did not affect the outcome of the story: there were no further victims; so the *potential* consequences were avoided, and Rochefort thus avoided any specific blame. And, of course, the story was about faith: his and Joan's, and how they impacted on Nick's own blighted certainties. So the writers did not want to come up with circumstances in which his silence would have negative consequences. They wanted Rochefort's silence to confirm his faith, since that was the theme. So the ethical issues were not the point of the episode--that doesn't mean that they don't arise. Should the writers have slanted the story the way they did? Basically, by contriving it so that Rochefort's silence had no bad results, they avoided the ethical issues; and thus they certainly did slant the story. Greer gwatson2@r....... http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:12:00 -0700 From: "jerezfino@y......" <jerezfino@y......> Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set Shipping would also be free at Amazon, making it $1.09 cheaper. <g> :) Boomer Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......> wrote: DeepDiscountDVD has it also for $43.08 (US$) with free shipping. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:41:49 -0700 From: Tammy Smith <nikbait@y......> Subject: Re: BB on QAF? What is this show? What channel is it on?? I have not seen any FK actor on anything except for Ger in Black Harbour... tammy Bonnie <callalily@l.......> wrote: Am I the only one who didn't know that Ben Bass was on Queer As Folk? I'm watching the fifth season and he just walks in, saunters up to one of the regulars, and plants a big wet one! OMG! Was this all over the list and I missed it or did no one say anything? Wow, John Kapelos AND Ben Bass on the final season of QAF. Man oh man. Bonnie callalily@l....... "The Key To Immortality Is First Living A Life Worth Remembering"---B.B.L. ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Jul 2006 to 27 Jul 2006 (#2006-200) ***************************************************************
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