FORKNI-L
Digest - 24 Jul 2006 to 25 Jul 2006 (#2006-198)
Tue, 25 Jul 2006
There are 9 messages totalling 333 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Jul 2006 to 24 Jul 2006 (#2006-197) (2)
2. Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned--Seal of the confessional
3. IT'S OFFICIAL...Season Three to be released!!!
4. FK Season 3 DVD set (3)
5. More about Season 3 and My Music Videos on the DVD set
6. Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:11:58 -0500
From: Lyn Palmer <wizkid2u@c.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Jul 2006 to 24 Jul 2006 (#2006-197)
"Forever Knight The Trilogy: Part 3 on DVD October 3 "
WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really didn't think this was going to happen!
LYN
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The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the
difference between lightning and a lightning bug.
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
http://wizkid2u.home.comcast.net
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:05:00 -0400
From: Mary Combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned--Seal of the confessional
Angela wrote:
> I'm not sure that the killer actually did anything that would
> be considered a Confession ...
A priest can refuse absolution if he believes someone is not truly
repentant, but he cannot reveal what has been said to him. If the seal of
the confessional protected only those who had truly repented, it would never
have presented such troubling legal and ethical issues. All a priest would
have to do is refuse absolution and call out for the nearest policeman (or
bailiff or whatever, depending on the era).
The fact that the conversation took place in the confessional was
sufficient. If the conversation took place outside of the confessional, but
the killer invoked the right conditions, it would still count.
It is and always has been a wrenching problem for a priest of conscience
precisely because he may not speak even if a murderer not only tells him
that he has killed in the past but also reveals his intention to kill in the
future--a statement that makes absolution impossible.
There is a current, very readable article on this subject at
www.catholiceducation.org , written by Father William Saunders, author of
the Arlington Catholic Herald's "Straight Answers" column.
For anyone interested in the deep, deep, history, The Encyclopedia at
www.newadvent.org has a beefy chapter about this (and a lot of other stuff).
(Caveat: The Encyclopedia edition posted at New Advent was published in
1913, so some prejudices show in the text, and current practices should
always be double-checked from modern sources.)
Mary
Mary Combs N&Npack
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:07:46 -0700
From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......>
Subject: IT'S OFFICIAL...Season Three to be released!!!
Dear Kristen Fife,
We've added a news item for "Forever Knight" to the
site. Here
it is:
Sony finishes the Trilogy - 3:51 PM 7/24/2006
We have
information on the final season of Forever Knight.
Come check it out!
URL:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=6118
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humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progress
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:18 -0700
From: NAT <nat1228@c.......>
Subject: FK Season 3 DVD set
Man, am I ever happy to see the release of Season 3 finally announced
for October 3! I've updated my FK page with the info, including a
picture of the box, and a link to TVShowsOnDVD.com. Come, take a look!
http://www.squidge.org/~nat1228/fk.htm
Nat
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
nat1228@c....... -- Knightie, N&NPack
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:43:10 -0500
From: Kristin <kris1228@e.......>
Subject: More about Season 3 and My Music Videos on the DVD set
Hi everyone,
This has certainly been an exciting day! :) I have more info to share with
you and an addition link regarding my music videos on the DVD set.
I added the full press release in the Save FK section and large coverart
from Sony:
http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Forever_Knight/save_fk.htm
Learn more about the music videos I created in my new Official Projects
section:
http://www.avenuepotter.com/%7Ekristin/officialprojects.htm
Whooooooohooo!
Kristin
http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Forever_Knight/
http://www.avenuepotter.com/~kristin/Christian_Bale/
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:54:57 +0200
From: Shining Moon <shining_moon2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Jul 2006 to 24 Jul 2006 (#2006-197)
Hi all,
you probably got the following already. But I'm on digest, so...
>Dear Shenandora Dewynst,
We've added a news item for "Forever Knight" to the site. Here it is:
Sony finishes the Trilogy - 3:51 PM 7/24/2006 We have information on the final
season of Forever Knight. Come check it out!
URL: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=6118<
Finally!
Shenandora DeWynst
>>Datum: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:25:32 -0700
Von: Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Betreff: Season 3- Anyone see this yet?
Forever Knight The Trilogy: Part 3 on DVD October 3
Posted By: Michael / Source...<<
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:07:29 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned
>I do wonder if Fr. Rochefort, being a bit of a rookie and naturally quite
>rattled by the whole situation, doesn't realize that it's quite possible
>that
>what happened was not actually a Confession. Therefore, he feels that it is
>covered by the sacramental seal on confessions
Angela has a nice point here. I knew that, for it to be an acceptable
confession it would be necessary to feel remorse and intend not to repeat
the sin. And obviously the killer, having rushed out of the confessional
without receiving absolution, could hardly be said to have *completed* the
Sacrament of Penance. However, I assumed that an incomplete confession
would be equally confidential.
But Angela raises the question of whether it was a confession at all--which
had not occurred to me.
I gather the question here is one of the killer's intention in going to
Rochefort. Now, Rochefort obviously assumed (at least initially) that the
intent was indeed penitential. However, the man's actual first words are,
"I don't know why I came here."
Then, when Rochefort talks about conscience, the man says, "Conscience
is the sinner's word. [...] You absolve him, and he walks away smiling".
Clearly, he feels that sinners who are absolved have simply put one over on
the priest.
But he denies that *he* is a sinner ("I haven't sinned"). To him the
sinners are the people he is murdering.
So since absolution is for sinners, and he doesn't see himself as a
sinner, then he cannot have come to Rochefort to get absolution.
So yeah: no way is the guy actually making a confession (or
reconciliation) in the religious sense. That is a really *good* point!
Rochefort is acting as though it was a confession; but actually it wasn't.
If the older priest had asked the right questions (or Rochefort spilled a
few more beans), he might have got totally different advice.
On the other hand, even though the killer clearly has not really come as a
penitent, he does presumably still assume that what he says is confidential.
I mean, it does seem unlikely that he'd tell a priest what he'd done unless
he assumed that there was no risk of being identified to the police. (True,
Rochefort says later that he doesn't know who the man is; but the whole
tenor of the interrogation scene at the police station suggests that he
does, and is simply refusing to speak.)
Does Rochefort maybe feel bound by the rules of confidentiality because
he never warned the killer that they didn't hold?
I mean, there is a question of trust here. Abuse of trust, if you ask
me; but Rochefort may still feel bound by the killer's assumptions.
Rochefort initially thought that the man had come into the confessional in
order to repent his sins, and everything said to the man was based on that
assumption--thereby creating in the killer the belief that the rules of
confessional privacy would hold. Even when Rochefort must have begun to
doubt that a true confession was the man's intent, he still never got around
to warning the killer that, in the circumstance, he has no right to privacy.
Against this one could put the argument that Rochefort doesn't have an
obligation to give such a warning. The *police* have to warn suspects that
what they say can be given in evidence; but Rochefort is not a police
officer, and not bound by such rules.
However, Rochefort may not feel inclined to such nice hair-splitting
excuses: he may feel that, since he started out treating it as a
confession, he is bound by the rules of privacy as long as he lets the
killer think that those rules still hold.
Anyway, whatever his reasoning, he obviously *did* treat it as a
situation in which the rules of confidentiality held.
Oh definitely, he didn't ask the right advice about the right question.
It's an intriguing notion, though, that a priest might feel no compunction
about going to the police about what he's been told, even if the man talking
to him thought the confidences were privileged.
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:33:26 -0700
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
--- NAT <nat1228@c.......> wrote:
> Man, am I ever happy to see the release of Season 3
> finally announced
> for October 3!
I hope the KtK folks will be able to get their money
back for the ad that was to have run in October. Or
maybe get the chance to change the ad so it thanks
Sony for all three seasons.
It seems that the release has been in the works for
some time. It would have been nice if the KtK folks
had had a heads up before they went to the trouble of
designing and purchasing the ad.
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y.......>
http://1-mad-squirrel.livejournal.com/
"Never meddle in the affairs of
vampires, for you are a walking juice box and would fit nicely in Nick's trunk." - me
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:46:40 -0700
From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
I think a "thank you" advertisement is a great idea, but even if the
advertisement must run as in, TPTB will see how much we wanted it.
All I now is that all the wee lil' ratsies are wagging their little ratsie
backsides in a happy dance (until they realize it might be a wise thing to
actually hide from Screed)
--Libs
Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......> wrote:
It seems that the release has been in the works for
some time. It would have been nice if the KtK folks
had had a heads up before they went to the trouble of
designing and purchasing the ad.
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