FORKNI-L
Digest - 1 Jul 2006 to 2 Jul 2006 (#2006-179)
Sun, 2 Jul 2006
There are 13 messages totalling 355 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2 (6)
2. an FK moment shopping
3. Alyce Hunter (3)
4. Natalie's Potions (2)
5. question about Canada's medical licencing laws
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:19:16 -0400
From: Julia Poyer <vesta4ever@a.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Most of you don't know me that well 'cause I'm a chronic lurker, but this
discussion has prodded me out of hiding...
I notice that no one has talked about the cups. My question is: If Lacroix
hadn't destroyed one of them, and Nick had been able to perform the ritual, would
it have worked?
Obviously, this show deals with a lot of supernatural stuff, but is also firmly
rooted in science. Anytime Nick has some crazy idea for how to become human
through 'magic' Nat dismisses it, and indeed, it never works out. Of course, I
realize that you can't let your main character get what he wants in the very
first episode. That would just be stupid. Still, I can't help but wonder...
Thoughts?
Cousin Parker
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:58:31 -0600
From: Stephen Fellows <stevef@m.......>
Subject: an FK moment shopping
A little something happened when I was shopping this afternoon. I've known for
about six months that "Siege Perilous" by Nigel Bennett & P.N. Elrod was
scheduled to come out in paperback this month (ever since the publisher's website put
up the list of July releases). If I'd seen one or two copies on the shelf at
Barnes & Noble that would be pleasant (and B&N would have made a sale) but
entirely expected and thus not really an "FK Moment" (at least not one worth posting
about).
But... There it was, with Nigel Bennett on the cover vamped out for all to see,
at Wal-Mart. Granted, I was in the book section looking for another title from
the same publisher, but the book I was looking for is a reprint of one of their
top sellers, not the third book in a trilogy whose second book is out of print
in paperback.
Needless to say, as soon as I got to the shelf, all six copies when into my
shopping cart.
Steve
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:39:32 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Just some random notes:
Nick encounters a press scrum on his way into the museum. He tells the woman
reporter, who is so bold as to inquire about the "vampire" murders, to "go
home", and she says she will. Some people have always thought it was a little
silly the way Nick whammies her in public. I have two cheesy explanations for
this. 1. She finds a reason which seems sensible (at the moment) about why she
has this sudden compulsion to go home--she decides she left the front door
unlocked, or the stove was turned on, or something important is back there that
she must retrieve. Or: 2. After Nick leaves, she turns to her fellow
journalists
and laughs, making it clear she was just playing along with his ridiculous
suggestion.
Nick is talking to Alyce Hunter in their first scene, and mentions Altun Kinal.
He explains that he can identify the dig by the colors in the potsherds, and
the
"glyphs of Chacmool". Chacmool is the name of the archeology students'
association at my alma mater (which also has been working on Mayan sites for a
long time); here's a picture of a chacmool for you:
http://www.nrem.iastate.edu/projects/smaya/chacmool.gif
Nick's off-hand remark ("I've done a little amateur grave-robbing in my time")
would have sounded alarm bells to most amateurs, since it suggests that he's a
pot-hunter; however, I guess Hunter gave him the benefit of the doubt and
figured he was joking about being an archeology student long ago.
Stonetree's first scene is a good study, IMHO, of how the victim of a "whammy"
might feel about it; he perceives that he's letting Nick work nightshift, and
work alone, as "favours", even though his instincts are kicking him for it.
Why *does* Nick take a bit out of that stone-cold, rock-solid burger? Because he
doesn't want to eat *anything*, therefore it doesn't matter what he eats; he's
setting himself up to fail. If he wanted to succeed, he'd try chocolate or a
bloody steak or something like that.
Schanke and Nick are chatting in the Caddy. Nick mentions the Caddy's trunk
space. I wonder just what Schanke thinks he needs with all that trunk space, to
place such a premium on it. Maybe he just considers it a smart-alecky response?
Then Schanke notes that he has handled a wide variety of cases: "Dahmers,
Mansons, serial killers, ritual killings".
I really enjoy the casting of a middle-aged white guy in a suit and trench coat
as the crackhead with the Uzi. I think certain casting directors revel in this
sort of thing.
More musings later.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:32:25 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Plot concerns aside, I don't think it would have. While supernatural things
can and obviously do exist in the FK world, as we see later in the series,
vampirism seems to be caused by something that is part physical and part
supernatural. Natalie can pin down what it is, physically, that makes Nick a vampire, but
that doesn't explain how he can do something, like, oh say, FLY. I think that
vampirism, being something that is part supernatural and part physical, would
have to be cured on the same basis.
-Megan
Julia Poyer <vesta4ever@a.......> wrote:
My question is: If Lacroix hadn't destroyed one of them, and Nick had been
able to perform the ritual, would it have worked?
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:07:43 EDT
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
In a message dated 6/30/2006 3:29:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
phylis_s_2000_2001@y....... writes:
It did seem to quick for them to be kissing the second time they met. And I
agree there was no chemistry between them. Phylis
Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......> wrote:
I also agree about the chemistry between Alyce and Nick. But for some
reason my husband really liked her and said he would have like to see her in a
few more episodes. I guess it's a guy thing!
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:25:40 EDT
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Alyce Hunter
In a message dated 7/1/2006 1:20:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kezia.hepden@n....... writes:
Maybe that's why the female list members all read her that way, while at
least one male member hasn't - it tends to be the women who read a person by
what they wear, while a guy will simply see a pretty face!
Good point. As I stated my husband really liked Alyce. But your bring up
the clothes she is wearing may tend to be what most [older] guys like. That
'innocent girl next door' look. Something like mom would wear or a girl they
would like to take home to meet mama. Maybe that's what the writers had in
mind when they had the wardrobe master put her in those 'frumpy' dresses.
Girls today tend to dress in too provocative.
I grew up in the fifties when it was required to cover your knees, shoulders
and breast plate. So I think some older guys still lean their preference
more towards a woman less exposed.
That's just my two cents.
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:33:16 +0200
From: P J <blue_twingo772@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c....... wrote:
> The actress who played this part in the Springfield movie would have been
great, I think. The scene where she was munching down junk food while poring
over those old books was hilarious. <
And that's exactly the scene which always gives me the creeps. Maybe I'm a
bit odd, but I value books too highly to have them soiled with any kind of food.
I wouldn't want this woman anywhere near old and precious artefacts! That's why
I prefer the second Alyce.
Petra.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:21:36 GMT
From: "anteros@j......." <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I'm going to jump on the bandwagon with the Alyce bashing. The "hold
me" line I remember just recoiling from. Who talks like that? Also,
I remember being perplexed why Nick seemed to shrug it off and hug
her, like this was a normal thing... Personally, I've never felt
inclined to demand a hug from a near stranger, but then again, maybe
I'm missing out ;-)
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@MINDSPRING.COM>
>I know I heard/read at the time that it was Ger and CD's idea to play
>the subtext that Nat was in love with Nick.
Whoa. You mean there was a chance they -wouldn't- play it that way?
I can't even imagine an FK where Nat didn't have mushy feelings for
Nick. What's next? A Lacroix with a high squeaky voice and a lisp?
hugs!
Cousin Mary
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:01:03 -0400
From: bluefaerymagick <bluefaerymagick@a.......>
Subject: Re: Alyce Hunter
I've been enjoying reading what people have been saying about the first two
eps and Alyce Hunter. I never liked her either (in the movie or in the
show).
As has already been said, she was too needy. Perhaps as a woman that is a
turn off to me because it's such a stereotype that women are all needy.
I would have liked to seen someone stake her in another ep. I don't think
she would have been a 'good' vampire with being so needy. She probably
would have revealed their existence or something if the enforcers hadn't
killed her.
I think some people are taking the conversation as a personal attack on
their fan fiction because they have used her. Rather than ending the
discussion with 'agree to disagree' as was said, I think the concept of
'taking a breathe' as was also said sounds better. After all, this is just
a friendly conversation.
~Sierra
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:31:32 -0700
From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......>
Subject: Re: Alyce Hunter
Speaking of dressing frumpy, this was the same sort of outfit Janette was
wearhing in "The Human Factor."
kezia.hepden@n....... writes:
>
> specific about Alyce Hunter. It was the clothes she wears...Alyce by
contrast is dressed *incredibly* frumpily, with long flowered > skirts...
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:51:21 +0100
From: Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Natalie's Potions
One thing that struck me on re-watching 'Dark Knight' was that wierd green
brew that Nat serves up for Nick in the morgue - she vaguely identifies it
as tea, and I'm left wondering - Why tea?
The white protein drink that Schanke downs by mistake a few episodes later I
can understand. Hey, milk is protein rich, and it's white - so why not make
a white protein drink?. For that matter, why not just give Nick a vanilla
milkshake? Or if he turns out to unable to digest lactose (a distinct
possibility), use cat milk... Scenes of Nat buying the stuff by the
crateload for her 'guys', Nick and Sydney, come to mind....
Can someone please explain to me the nutritional value of green tea for a
vampire? As I understand, it contains little but water, flavourings and
tannin - and as someone who's allergic to tea (almost certainly the
tannins), I can well understand his reaction. Nat might just as well be
serving him hot water - it would be no worse, and may even be better for
him!
Cousin Kezia
kezia.hepden@n.......
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:46:40 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's Potions
Maybe it was one of her attempts to see what he could handle in regards to
other foods and liquids... there are multiple combinations that can be created for
that perfect cuppa LOL
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:06:03 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: question about Canada's medical licencing laws
I know the answer for the US, but what would happen to a Canadian doctor if it
came out they had cheated on some of their final exams in Medical School?
-Megan
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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