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Digest - 15 Jun 2006 to 16 Jun 2006 (#2006-164)

Fri, 16 Jun 2006

There are 27 messages totalling 829 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Was: Hex (4)
  2. re new flash (from digest 2006-163)
  3. Was FK news flash - US citizenship (2)
  4. Nick's citizenship/work visa
  5. Update on Aunt Nina/Afghanistan
  6. FK news flash (7)
  7. If FK had a bigger budget  Was: Hex
  8. times slot (2)
  9. Hex (2)
 10. Dual citizenship (2)
 11. Admin: quote limits
 12. UPDATE: OT: looking for crash space (2)
 13. some thoughts on hypnosis

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:20:54 +0100
From:    tracy gooding <tracy.gooding@n.......>
Subject: Was: Hex

I think it's a shame when a lot of money is thrown at a series and it never
fulfils its potential, especially if it's playing hide and seek in the
schedules.  What I'd meant to say earlier is that I wonder what the
producers and writers of FK would have done with a bigger budget (apart from
lose all those repeated filler scenes from the first series where Nick's
driving around that are clearly from an earlier ep).  I know that series 3
was done on a reduced budget (especially after USA lost interest), but the
earlier series weren't exactly brimming over with spare cash either.

So, if you had had the budget of one of the big, glossy TV series, what
would you have changed, and would that have:

a) increased your enjoyment of the series
b) made it easier for you to encourage friends/relatives/co-workers to watch
the series?

Tracy G

tracy.gooding@n.......


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mildred Cady" <mildred.cady@g.......>
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:32 PM
> Then again, if they kept moving the time/day around, no wonder the viewing
> figures dropped!

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:46:47 -0600
From:    Micki <mickilyn@i.......>
Subject: re new flash (from digest 2006-163)

Hi.

Regarding dual citizenship with the US & Canada, it's been around for quite
a long time.

Kewl for Ger on his dual cit., BTW, but it can in some cases be more trouble
than it's worth depending on the specific circumstances.
Hope he doesn't have as much trouble from it as my grandma did, however.

I don't know the specifics of when it's available or when it's not or the
whys, but one of my grandmothers was born in the US to a Canadian man & his
wife who had been a US citizen before she met and married him, and became a
Canadian (not dual) citizen. My grandmother was about a year and a half or
so before she ever saw Canada. But the circumstances in her case allowed my
grandmother to be a dual citizen most of her life. She lived, worked, & paid
taxes in Canada, but never voted or held office or anything. Her main reason
for maintaining her dual citizenship status was simply for shopping, since
she lived most of her life less than a 15 minute drive from the border, and
by having dual cit, she had either no import duty, or at least less. That
was fine until she hit retirement age. When she went to apply for her senior
s pension, she was elegible because she'd paid into it, but in order to
claim it she had to lose her dual status, and ended up having to get one of
her children to "sponsor" her as a Canadian citizen, since she was not going
to be working, even though she was then elegible for her pension she'd paid
into.

Anyway, I'm going back to lurking,

hugs,
-Micki



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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:16:13 +0800
From:    eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y......>
Subject: Was FK news flash - US citizenship

I think that' s only for born Americans who are looking to acquire new
citizenship elsewhere. There are plenty of dual-citizenship Americans. Governor Arnie
in California for instance. It seems the assumption is: Americans looking to
make that change is also looking to avoid US taxes. <lol> At least, that's what
they told my other half when he asked at the embassy.

  Factoid: The US is one of the few countries which taxes its citizens on
WORLDWIDE income. Another country that does this is North Korea.

  To bring this back to FK, I've always wondered how Nick transferred from
Chicago PD into Met Toronto. Doesn't Canada have some citizenship requirement for
their PD?

  Ell


Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......> wrote:
  My understanding was that the U.S. doesn't allow dual
citizenship. Or is that only for people who were
Americans to begin with and acquiring new citizenship?

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:03:53 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Nick's citizenship/work visa

Well, I'm having a talk tomorrow or Monday with a
Canadian immigration specialist for a job in BC, so
I'll let you know what the criteria is! I don't
remember that Nick was ever declared a Canadian
citizen, rather than having a work visa. It often has
less to do with citizenship than where you live for
municipal jobs, at least in Ohio.

--- eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y......> wrote:


>   To bring this back to FK, I've always wondered how
> Nick transferred from Chicago PD into Met Toronto.
> Doesn't Canada have some citizenship requirement for
> their PD?
>
>   Ell
>
>
> Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......> wrote:
>   My understanding was that the U.S. doesn't allow
> dual
> citizenship. Or is that only for people who were
> Americans to begin with and acquiring new
> citizenship?
>


"The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood of
humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progress
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:20:33 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Re: Was: Hex

I love what ifs :)
More money: more and better sets and props. And, of
course if we were able to re-create FK today, we could
do SO MUCH with CGI/special effects! :)
Of course, I didn't discover FK until 3 years ago, so
I cannot say what would have increased my enjoyment
when it WAS on the air ten+ years ago.

--- tracy gooding <tracy.gooding@n.......> wrote:


>
> So, if you had had the budget of one of the big,
> glossy TV series, what
> would you have changed, and would that have:
>
> a) increased your enjoyment of the series
> b) made it easier for you to encourage
> friends/relatives/co-workers to watch
> the series?
>
> Tracy G
>
> tracy.gooding@n.......
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mildred Cady" <mildred.cady@g.......>
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:32 PM
> > Then again, if they kept moving the time/day
> around, no wonder the viewing
> > figures dropped!
>


"The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood of
humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progress
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/


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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:43:40 -0700
From:    Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@c.......>
Subject: Update on Aunt Nina/Afghanistan

Happy day! Aunt Nina's coming home!

For those of you not on the prayer topic, I wrote in a couple of weeks ago
that my aunt & her friend were in Kabul, Afghanistan during the riots there.
As it turned out, Nina and Pat *weren't* in Kabul that day. As soon as they
saw things getting heated, they were taken out into the country where they
spent the day. So that was good. A few days after the riots, we got an
interesting email from her, basically trying to calm us all down. THings
like, well, yes, they were shouting "Death to Americans," but they always
say that. And, the CARE office did get all its windows smashed, but mainly
because it'd been there a long time and they knew where it was. Fortunately,
things have been pretty calm since then.

Since the riots, we've had an email from her detailing more of the work
she's doing. There's now eleven certified Focusers living in Afghanistan, so
hopefully she won't have to go back much, if at all.

And she's coming home today. Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky             lizthelucky@c.......
http://www.lizthelucky.com/ForeverKnight/
Merc House Mommy

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:01:40 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

a new citizen must pledge "to renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty
of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen.

This has not changed as far as I know.
If he is holding dual citizenship the US does not recognize it.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......>

> My understanding was that the U.S. doesn't allow dual
> citizenship.  Or is that only for people who were
> Americans to begin with and acquiring new citizenship?

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:23:06 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Was FK news flash - US citizenship

> eruve erundun wrote:

>   Factoid: The US is one of the few countries which taxes
> its citizens on WORLDWIDE income. Another country that does
> this is North Korea.

Is this new? I had a friend who worked in Germany for two years for a
US company and paid no taxes on his income. This was in the mid-1980s.

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:04:57 EDT
From:    KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: Was: Hex

So, if you had had the budget of one of the big, glossy TV series, what
would you have changed, and would that have:

a) increased your enjoyment of the series
Hire an assistant in charge of continuity. While it's fun for fans like us to
debate the inconsistencies (like Myra's mother), it would have been nice to
NOT have that problem. Less filler shots that were repeated.  The writing and
acting were not that issue....

b) made it easier for you to encourage friends/relatives/co-workers to watch
the series?
Consistent time slot that isn't 1 am!! Seriously. With the explosion of
vampire related books and more acceptance of TV with a supernatural theme, FK
might have done better in the 00s than 90s. We all recognize the exceptional
writing which is so hard to find on many contemporary series. I've introduced
FK to many of my friends via the DVDs.

And on anther note. Has anyone else noted a new network that showed up
recently? I have Dish network, and now get a channnel called "Sleuth". So far,
all I've seen is reruns of Miami Vice. Maybe another target for exposing FK?

Karen

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:10:31 -0700
From:    "Lynn L. Sowinski" <lls761@s.......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

I believe that is the case.  If you apply for and get US citizenship, the US
doesn't recognize any previous citizenship, although the other country might.
But, if you apply for citizenship in a different country after you are a US
citizen, you lose your US citizenship.

  Lynn

My understanding was that the U.S. doesn't allow dual
citizenship. Or is that only for people who were
Americans to begin with and acquiring new citizenship?




      If Dogs Don't Go To Heaven, When I Die, I Want To Go Where They Went.

  Heart Attacks - God's Revenge For Eating His Animal Friends.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:08:11 -0400
From:    Cheryl <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

I feel both sides can enjoy and savor his talents, no matter he is, he's
welcome at home.  Stay safe.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......



Don't trade a treasure
for an empty box.
ForeverKnight.5u.com
AngusGrady.50megs.com
BradleyFarley.50megs.com

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:14:26 -0600
From:    Tessa Brown <goldie.girl@g.......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

Well, I'm not sure how it would work in that direction, but I
certainly have both Canadian and US citizenship - I was born in
Pittsburg to Canadian parents while my father was completing his
degree there.  We moved back to Canada when I was a year old, at which
point my Canadian citizenship was formalized, and I certainly wasn't
required to give up my Yankee citizenship to get it.  I think it would
probably be similar for a Canadian moving to the US (in fact, come to
think of it, I have a friend who married a Yankee, and she didn't have
to give up her Canadian citizenship to get US citizenship).  Right of
the soil, and all that.
Tess

>
> I was also under the impression that Canadian citizenship could not be kept
> if one becomes a citizen of another country, but what all the changes etc it's
> hard to keep up with all the changes in immigration laws.
>

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:16:54 -0400
From:    Julia Kocich <jkocich@g.......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

Erm ... since the original post said he had "duel" citizenship,
I assumed he'd be safe as long as he didn't offer a US military officer his
choice of weapons?

Cheers,
Julia
UF list cobra



It's my understanding that dual citizenship is now allowable, as long as you
> do not serve in the other country's armed forces or hold public office there
> (on the theory that you might have to actively participate in
> actions against the US).
>
>
>


--
Julia Kocich
jkocich@g.......

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:02:50 +0800
From:    eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y......>
Subject: If FK had a bigger budget  Was: Hex

I'd have given Nat a better lab and wardrobe in Season 3. Nick, Janette & LC
would have more "period" flashbacks and we'd see The Raven hot up with some guest
bands (not that there's anything wrong with the music, just wanted to add
appeal to my buddies.)

  Ell


tracy gooding <tracy.gooding@n.......> wrote:
  <snip> So, if you had had the budget of one of the big, glossy TV series,
what would you have changed, and would that have:
a) increased your enjoyment of the series
b) made it easier for you to encourage friends/relatives/co-workers to watch
the series?

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:59:11 +0930
From:    Dorothy <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: times slot

     <<< Consistent time slot that isn't 1 am!!>>>

 Or 1.45am  or  4 am.   That was the time is was shown in Australia

      Dot


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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:27:02 +0800
From:    eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y......>
Subject: Re: times slot

It was midnight or later when FK came on in Singapore. I suppose the
programmers felt that it was in keeping with how the story is about a vampire cop working
the night shift.  Someone should've told them that the fans weren't necessarily
late night creatures <LOL>

  Ell

Dorothy <jennii35@i.......> wrote:
  <<< Consistent time slot that isn't 1 am!!>>>

Or 1.45am or 4 am. That was the time is was shown in Australia

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:09:58 EDT
From:    Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

In light of the discussion, I did some googling. Apparently, the US (due to a
variety of recent court cases and policy changes) recognizes that Dual
Citizenship does exist, but does not "actively encourage it" nor actively
discourage it.

"Technically," a (newly) naturalized citizen has to renouce his/her old
citizenship, but it seems such a renouncement is more a formality than a
legality.
Other countries don't seem to recognize it, and the US apparently doesn't
enforce it. So a person could validly carry passports for the US and another
country. For Canada for example, a person would use his Canadian passport to
enter, leave and travel within Canada, but use his US passport to enter, leave
and travel within the US.

That said, there doesn't seem to be anything that "automatically" results in
the loss of US citizenship.  It seems, it really depends on whether the US
chooses to pursue a prosecution or revocation of citizenship.

From the State Dept's site:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Site of a US/Canadian citizen:
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

Gaelin

>
> My understanding was that the U.S. doesn't allow dual citizenship. Or is
> that only for people who were Americans to begin with and acquiring new
> citizenship?
>

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:59:27 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: Was: Hex

I would have given the show a decent advertizing budget.  We all love the show
as is, and so do the people I introduce it to, and while better special
effect/continuity/etc would be nice, the biggest problem was that nobody *knew* about
it!  besides, once the advertizing drew in more veiwers, the show could get
more money from advertizers, and then they'd continue to have a bigger budget!

                                 -Megan

tracy gooding <tracy.gooding@n.......> wrote:
  I think it's a shame when a lot of money is thrown at a series and it never
fulfils its potential, especially if it's playing hide and seek in the
schedules. What I'd meant to say earlier is that I wonder what the
producers and writers of FK would have done with a bigger budget (apart from
lose all those repeated filler scenes from the first series where Nick's
driving around that are clearly from an earlier ep). I know that series 3
was done on a reduced budget (especially after USA lost interest), but the
earlier series weren't exactly brimming over with spare cash either.

So, if you had had the budget of one of the big, glossy TV series, what
would you have changed, and would that have:

a) increased your enjoyment of the series
b) made it easier for you to encourage friends/relatives/co-workers to watch
the series?

Tracy G

tracy.gooding@n.......


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mildred Cady"
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:32 PM
> Then again, if they kept moving the time/day around, no wonder the viewing
> figures dropped!



"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:57:09 -0400
From:    "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Hex

>So, if you had had the budget of one of the big, glossy TV series, what
would you have changed, and would that have:
>a) increased your enjoyment of the series
>b) made it easier for you to encourage friends/relatives/co-workers to
watch the series?

    I do not see things in FK that I consider to be issues caused by
lack of money.
    The production may have felt it was hampered while they were
filming, but they did a masterful job of making do with what they had.
    The only weakness that I see is a real traditional concept that the
characters should not change a lot during the course of the show.
Season to season there were changes as cast members were swapped...but
within the seasons the characters did not change a whole lot (I am
thinking along the lines of what you see in programs like Babylon 5, the
X-Files where there is real significent character changes).

	If FK was being reimagined today and there was a big money
backer for it, I would recommend
1)spend less cash.   This means you don't need as many commercials...so
you get precious minutes of air-time to tell more creative stories.

2)go with story arcs for at least a season...if not for the series.

	I have watched the new Battlestar Galactica and thought a
similar "reinventing" of FK could be quite good in the proper hands.

	Tim


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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:39:14 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK news flash

Nope, you didn't sound bitter. I had the same reaction and I'm an American with
only the one citizenship.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

>I hope I didn't sound bitter in my post. I was just lamenting the fact that
>Canada/Wales' loss is the US's gain and what a prize they are getting too!!
>
>
>Heather a.k.a Madam CodXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:50:30 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Dual citizenship

IIRC, John Kapelos is a dual citizen of Canada and the U.S. He was born in
London, Ontario to a Canadian father and an American mother, from whom he inherited
her citizenship.

I once knew someone who had triple citizenship! He was born in Australia to a
British father and an Australian mother. When they moved to the U.S. and were
naturalized, he was under sixteen, so he was automatically naturalized as well.
Since some countries charge different visa fees for different nationalities, he
would use whichever passport would get him in most cheaply.

As for Nick,  I always figured he claimed to be a dual citizen of the U.S. and
Canada by birth.  Back when the show was on the air in first-run, one of our
members did a museum internship at the Toronto police museum. He checked and
found that yes, Toronto police are required to be Canadian citizens.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:58:01 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: quote limits

Please, folks, I just recently reminded the list about the four line quote
limit. If I'm still seeing overquoting on Monday, I'll start noposting until the
poster promises to keep the rules.

McLisa
listowner, Forkni-l
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:14:54 -0700
From:    Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......>
Subject: Re: Hex

"Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......> wrote:
1)spend less cash. This means you don't need as many commercials...so
you get precious minutes of air-time to tell more creative stories.

  That's not actually how television works (or totally). The idea is to MAKE
money. There'd be just as many commercials no matter how much or little they
spent on the budget as the idea of most television shows is to make as much of a
profit as possible.

  I'd almost be scared for FK to have a higher budget. Although there are
exceptions (such as Battlestar Galactica), often a bigger budget means more fancy
special effects and such rather than better stories.

  I've hooked many people on FK through the storytelling. None of my friends
would be impressed by how the show looks if the storytelling isn't great.

  --Libs

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:18:11 -0400
From:    Mildred Cady <mildred.cady@g.......>
Subject: UPDATE: OT: looking for crash space

I got some news last night that will prevent me from going to Boston.  My
elderly aunt, who has had recent issues and complications from congestive
heart failure, is in the hospital again so I need to go up to visit and work
with her (my brother and I have powers of attorney for her).

In the meantime, my friend's condition has gotten worse.  As of 6pm last
night, they were giving her 48 hours before her body would be too weak to
support the transplant.

When it rains....

*crossing fingers and praying to appropriate gods*
~Mildred
Merc Mommy General

On 6/15/06, Mildred Cady <mildred.cady@g.......> wrote:
>
> Hi there... I'm sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for crash space
> in the Boston area.
>
> I have a friend who is in the NE Medical Center in Boston, who was just
> placed on a priority list for a liver transplant. Without a transplant,
> they are only giving her two weeks to live.
>
> I am trying to get out to Boston this weekend to visit her in the hospital,
> and to be there for her husband who is at her side. I may be with 2-3
> other people, and we would like to find a place to crash if possible.
>
> I have feelers out in several communities, so I might not need it, but I'm
> trying to cast a wide net so that I can be sure to find something.
>
> I can be contacted through email, or my cell phone number is 000-000-0000.
>

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:19:27 -0700
From:    KC Monroe <kaysea1228@y......>
Subject: Re: Dual citizenship

--- Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> wrote:

> I once knew someone who had triple citizenship!

So does Ger according to the thread on his club
discussion board

KC


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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:52:36 -0400
From:    Mildred Cady <mildred.cady@g.......>
Subject: Re: UPDATE: OT: looking for crash space

Ok... some good news... they just found a liver for my friend and she's
going into surgery now... we'll know more in 8-10 hours.

On 6/16/06, Mildred Cady <mildred.cady@g.......> wrote:
>
> I got some news last night that will prevent me from going to Boston.  My
> elderly aunt, who has had recent issues and complications from congestive
> heart failure, is in the hospital again so I need to go up to visit and
> work
> with her (my brother and I have powers of attorney for her).
>
> In the meantime, my friend's condition has gotten worse.  As of 6pm last
> night, they were giving her 48 hours before her body would be too weak to
> support the transplant.
>
> When it rains....
>
> *crossing fingers and praying to appropriate gods*
> ~Mildred
> Merc Mommy General
>
> On 6/15/06, Mildred Cady <mildred.cady@g.......> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there... I'm sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for crash space
> > in the Boston area.
> >
> > I have a friend who is in the NE Medical Center in Boston, who was just
> > placed on a priority list for a liver transplant. Without a transplant,
> > they are only giving her two weeks to live.
> >
> > I am trying to get out to Boston this weekend to visit her in the hospital,
> > and to be there for her husband who is at her side. I may be with 2-3
> > other people, and we would like to find a place to crash if possible.
> >
> > I have feelers out in several communities, so I might not need it, but I'm
> > trying to cast a wide net so that I can be sure to find something.
> >
> > I can be contacted through email, or my cell phone number is
> > 000-000-0000.
> >
>

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Date:    Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:14:28 -0700
From:    Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y......>
Subject: some thoughts on hypnosis

Last night I went to a lecture on hypnosis and
biofeedback, and I had a few thoughts from what I
learned that I'd like to share.

-Levels of susceptibility to hypnosis are inborn and
largely genetic, but there's nobody that *absolutely*
*can't* be hypnotized.

-Two of the primary factors affecting your ability to
be hypnotized are your cooperativeness (that *is* a
real word, right?) and ability to focus.

-At one point, when the speaker was guiding the
audience in putting ourselves into a hypnotic trance,
a woman's cellphone went off in the row in front of me
rang, and that *completely* broke the spell for me,
but apparently not for people further away from her.

"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."
Samuel Beckett


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