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FORKNI-L Digest - 30 Jan 2005 to 31 Jan 2005 (#2005-30)

Mon, 31 Jan 2005

There are 13 messages totalling 488 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Where is it now? (2)
  2. Episode Fifteen
  3. Something Nick Would Do
  4. Pompeii The Last Day (2)
  5. Virtual Season 4 Help Again, Please? (Computer Crash, BIGTIME!)
  6. Battle of Hastings (4)
  7. Timing of Pompeii erruption (2)

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Date:    Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:11:59 -0800
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Where is it now?

A friend told me she had just re-watched 'Partners of
the Month', and I said "The one with the duck lamp?".
That got me wondering, I know a props and costumes
from FK have been auctioned for charity: what ever
happened to the duck lamp?



=====
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y.......>
http://www.livejournal.com/users/1_mad_squirrel/
"A vampire florist?"
"Well, once you accept the vampire part, the florist part is a pretty easy
leap, don't you think?" -- Christpher Moore, 'Bloodsucking Fiends'


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Date:    Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:50:53 -0500
From:    Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode Fifteen

Once again, we go through the "good news/bad news" routine.  The good
news:  Episode Fifteen has now been linked in, along with its Notes
page.  Urchins note:  this one has a *lot* of Urs in it, with a look
at her early days, just after Vachon brought her across.  For those
who haven't been following Season IV but want to try it, the url is:
    http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
Two clicks in, you'll find the main home page.  Go to the Episode
Guide webpage, and click on the episode's number, which is a link that
will take you to its homepage.  There, you download a zip file, with
your choice of Word or WordPerfect.  Each episode also has its own
Notes page, accessed from its homepage.

Now the bad news.  Yes, Season IV is going into another brief hiatus.
This is not only necessary if the season is to end in May, the way a
real one would; but it also heightens the verisimilitude, since real
TV shows (alas) are always doing this to us.  The next episode of
Season IV will be linked in on February 27th.  See you then.

Greer

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Date:    Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:57:32 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Something Nick Would Do

Another list I'm on just posted this little story. I had to laugh when
I read it! I could just see Nick pulling over a drunk driver in a
similar fashion---only he'd do it for real!

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......

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Toronto Globe & Mail March 30, 2004: In most of the Canadian Provinces,
there is a policy of checking on any stalled vehicle on the highway when the
temperatures drop in the single digits or below.  One morning in March 2004
about 3AM RCMP Constable Bill Wisen was awakened to respond to such a call
of a car off the shoulder on the Trans Canada Highway outside of Medicine
Hat, Alberta. Constable Wisen located the car still running, stuck in deep
snow alongside the highway. Pulling in behind it with his emergency lights
on, Constable Wisen walked to the driver's door to find an older man passed
out behind the wheel and a near empty bottle of vodka in the seat. He tapped
on the window and the driver woke up, seeing the rotating lights in his rear
view mirror and the RCMP Constable standing next to his car. The man
panicked, and he jerked the gearshift into drive and hit the gas.  The car's
speedometer was showing 20-30-40 then 50 KPH, but its still stuck in the
snow.

Constable Wisen , having a sense of humor, began running in place next to
the speeding but still stationary car. The driver was totally freaked
thinking the officer is actually keeping up with him. This goes on for about
20 seconds when Constable Wisen yelled at the man ordering him to "pull
over". This man obeyed and turned his wheel and stopped the engine. Once out
of the car the drunken driver asked about the RCMPs' special training and
just how can the Constable run 50 KPH. The man, Mr. Robert Duport of
Medicine Hat was arrested still believing that an RCMP Constable had outrun
his car.

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Date:    Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:51:08 -0600
From:    Cindy Brewer <cbcsi7@e.......>
Subject: Re: Where is it now?

> from FK have been auctioned for charity: what ever
> happened to the duck lamp?


I know it's been several years but as of Syndicon '97 in Baltimore I
remember John K saying he had the duck lamp. I don't know if he's put it up
for charity auctions since then.




Cindy Brewer
Knightie, N&Npacker,Vaquera,FoD,WWGer2 survivor,FFF
"They made me forget and that's all I remember."Schanke, Close Call

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Date:    Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:13:16 -0800
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: Pompeii The Last Day

I watched it tonight and I guess I was right about the
FK writers being off on the eruption timing because
wasn't LC's party going on at night? I'd say it was
the night before but the eruption didn't start until
noon.

But, we never said they were always accurate about
everything, just look at the medical stuff.

Interesting program though, albeit with a few too many commercials.

=====
The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain
NickNatpacker,Knight of the Cross;Duncan, Tessa and Joe flags-waver, diehard
Buffy/Angel and Wesley/Fred shipper/BTVS and Angelholic
http//:groups.yahoo.com/group/Buffy_the_dark_world BTVS AU rpg


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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:41:49 EST
From:    Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: Pompeii The Last Day

Not necessarily. If you think about the party having been the night
before,...the party last until the very wee hours and LC, or rather The
General, had gotten very drunk and was still asleep around noon. Could
have happened.

Gaelin

In a message dated 1/31/2005 12:16:00 AM Central Standard Time,
sgt_buck_frobisher@y....... writes:
> I watched it tonight and I guess I was right about the FK writers being off
> on the eruption timing because wasn't LC's party going on at night? I'd say
> it was
> the the night before but the eruption didn't start until noon.
>

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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 04:16:47 EST
From:    Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: Virtual Season 4 Help Again, Please? (Computer Crash, BIGTIME!)

Hello, Folks....

I am writing this on my SO's computer (who is bugging me to go to sleep b/c I
have an interview in S.F., CA 'bout an hour and a half drive away; at Ten AM
or so in the morning <g>...).

Please pardon if you get this more than once; I cannot remember from whence
my FK Virtual Season Four help came **not that long ago!!**  I DO recall, that
the very kind person :::grins and waves!!::: (or perhaps two different people??
so sorry <frown>; don't recall--many things going on!!) sent me not  only a
*list* of all the V4S eps, but a very cool ZIP file with every single one of
them in their entirety.

And, I had them all until yesterday.......... (re: the FK V4S stuff above...)

Several people <<waves some more>> including my son, have been trying for over
a week to help me restore my Windows XP (which was hacked, with many things,
too many too list!) from a remote computer; and not at all related to Forever
Knight, LOL!!).

I had backed up ALL critical, wanted and *beloved* (where Forever Knight
comes in...<g>) data onto a *completely* (not a partition, utterly separate-->)
separate Physical Hard Drive.  This included V4S as described above; and I am
currently not able to access the archives and such (I only have limited access
to this computer, long story <g>) to get to it, etc.  There were pics of Nick,
LC, Nat, etc. all on there as well.

As was my RESUME (several versions), all the various cover letters I use and
my personalized "RN, Ph.D." Stationary, list of current References (all of
which I need while looking for a job, I email things, fax them, etc.); about a
thousand Word, Excel Documents, poems, and just too many other things to
describe.

Worst of all?  Not all, but the *vast* majority of the a) recovered research
material and documents for, as well as 2) my actual "redux" (from 2003; was
rewriting them) my a) Master's Thesis, b) Doctoral Dissertation; as in
formatted, copywritten, republished, done deal--the soft copies--so now, cannot
revise, reprint, utilize the research, etc. :-(

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::sigh:::::::::::::::::::::::

Now, (sorry, venting, and maybe I should have used the prayer topic, dunno?),
I know no one can help me with that part, and what happened was, my son was
tying to help by doing another "System Recovery;" the kind where data *does*
get destroyed (I had already done one to a partition on the "C" Drive).............
(At least that really, really pervasive virus that attached to almost every
file I had is now honest to goodness GONE, woohoo!! <g> Virus Protection  is
usable now; have no Viruses etc.....WHEEEEEE, LOL); even though my computer is
wonky (it is doing something complicated right now..., takes a long time); I
can access my email.  I just can't go to many, many web sites.  So, **if** <
VBG> I had the V4S files again, I could save them to external media (floppy,
burn to CD, etc.)

BTW; forgot to say (prolly you figured it out by now....) The System Recovery
my son did?  About an hour or two ago, I discovered it __wrote over__
everything I had so methodically saved to that other drive; so, ALL that stuff
I described is gone--including the FK V4S <argh> (you know, don't you, that it's
all I can do to keep from running around the block screaming and beating up
strangers at random; esp. over the Thesis and Dissertation (themselves) and
hundreds upon hundreds of recovered research documents.........??)

And Forever Knight pictures and Virtual Season FOUR?? Well, that's just too
hard to talk about at *all* (even though I am <mini grin>)!! :-(

Sooooooooo, I am sitting here, saving *everything* I can to the room that is
left on that drive (some I cannot "access" until I can __remember how___
(haha; have remembered a lot last couple of weeks...!!!).

The photographs I've *taken* I still have, of course (many were other folks;
some were printed out, some were not; Forever Knight and Highlander ones
weren't, dang it!!).  SOME of my research data is on a CDR, but not much, my
Copywritten, Published Thesis and Dissertation, I have *ONE*hard copy of in the
most recent incarnation (covers with color, etc).

*Forever Knight, V4S,* however, I do not..............

Which is really what I am asking for help with, and, *as usual,* it takes me
three pages to say what I could have said in a couple of sentences...,
probably <crooked grin>.

Any willing helpers will have my Forever Gratitude; utterly no obligation!
And I *promise* to save anything I get; if I get anything <g>; to something
that __cannot__ be erased!!!  :-)

OK, I will shut up now; obviously I am really tired because I am ranting and
repeating <erg>.

Thanks for any help and for "listening!!"

Forever Hugs,
Billie-Lee
mccelt2003@a.......
"Oh, Divine Master grant that I may never seek, so much to be consoled as to
console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love with all my
heart." Saint Francis

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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:52:37 -0800
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings

--- Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y.......> wrote:

>
> I always thought that the writers meant for him to
> say
> "Agincourt". That one took place in the fifteenth
> century.

What I wouldn't give to see *that* flashback!  Not so
much the actual details of Aristotle saving Nick, but
my fantasies of LaCroix admiring Henry V's tactics and
sneering at the French loss when they had such
overwhelming odds (and the high ground) in their
favor.  Just imagine Nick and LaCroix, former Crusader
and General, respectively, Monday-morning
quarterbacking that battle.

=====
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y.......>
http://www.livejournal.com/users/1_mad_squirrel/
"A vampire florist?"
"Well, once you accept the vampire part, the florist part is a pretty easy
leap, don't you think?" -- Christpher Moore, 'Bloodsucking Fiends'


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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:52:47 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings

Laurie of the Isles wrote:

> What I wouldn't give to see *that* flashback!  Not so
> much the actual details of Aristotle saving Nick, but
> my fantasies of LaCroix admiring Henry V's tactics and
> sneering at the French loss when they had such

I saw a very interesting documentary on Agincourt just last weekend. (The show
was "Battlefield Detectives" on the History Channel.)

The conventional thinking is that Henry won due to the overwhelming force of
his longbowmen's showers of arrows, combined with the muddy battlefield which
bogged down the heavily armed French knights. However, the researchers that
analyzed Agincourt came to these interesting conclusions:

---The longbow arrows were not able to penetrate the steel of the French
knights and their hired Italian mercenary men at arms, so the arrow showers had very
little effect on any of the knights.

---The French died in vast numbers because of the formation of the battlefield
itself; it sloped downward towards the English position in such a way as to
form a funnel. Crowd psychology caused the French to charge wildly and press into
the funnel, where a few men falling caused virtually everyone to fall and not
have enough room to get up again, with the crowd pressing on them from behind
(think those horrible soccer riots where people are crushed and trampled).

---The researchers found that mud probably did play a part in the battle. The
soil of Agincourt is such that it is extremely sticky when waterlogged. Feet
clad in armor or good leather boots would sink in and stick. Cloth-bound feet,
such as those of the English archers and common soldiers, didn't stick nearly so
much. As a result the French knights got terribly bogged down while the common
English soldiers could move much more easily.

---And finally, the French nobility was slaughtered because in the melee, the
common archers ran forward and used hand weapons to kill the fallen and bogged
down  knights. Normally in combat at this time, nobles fought nobles with the
aim of capturing the enemy and holding him for ransom. The commoners had no such
ethic---they killed everyone they saw without thought of taking prisoners, and
probably had a great old time plundering the wealthy corpses.

So, the researchers concluded, it wasn't Henry V's military brilliance and the
deadliness of the English longbowmen that decided the battle. It was rather a
combination of the physical lay of the land, mud, and crowd hysteria that did
in the French.  Sorry, Harry. You still gave a darned fine speech before the
battle started (at least in the Shakespeare play).  (Sidenote: the Branagh movie
of Henry V is totally wonderful. Watch it! Watch it this week!)

I think Lacroix would have sneered at the entire battle (no tactics! Barbarians
slaughtering each other with no style at all!), but Nick would probably have
admired the honor and nobility of the French knights, whose one desire was
individual combat with their equals on the English side.  You have to admit he's
a fan of futile but honorable lost causes!

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......

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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:20:23 -0330
From:    "English, Darlene" <denglish@s.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings

 Nancy Kaminski wrote:
<You still gave a darned fine speech before the battle started (at least
in the Shakespeare play).  (Side note: the Branagh movie of Henry V is
totally wonderful. Watch it! Watch it this week!)>

As a point of interest, Geraint Wyn Davies played Henry V a number of
years ago at Stratford; to very good reviews, I believe.

Darlene

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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:16:54 -0800
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings

--- Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......> wrote:

> I saw a very interesting documentary on Agincourt
> just last weekend. (The show was "Battlefield
> Detectives" on the History Channel.)

Ooh! Thanks for the info, Nancy.  Nifty!

> I think Lacroix would have sneered at the entire
> battle <snip> but Nick <snip>he's a fan of futile
but honorable lost causes!

I bet you'd write the hell out of that, Nancy.  I'd
love to see it!

=====
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y.......>
http://www.livejournal.com/users/1_mad_squirrel/
"A vampire florist?"
"Well, once you accept the vampire part, the florist part is a pretty easy
leap, don't you think?" -- Christpher Moore, 'Bloodsucking Fiends'


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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:24:57 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Timing of Pompeii erruption

If I recall from some years of reading about the destruction of Pompeii (I
forgot to watch the show), there had been belches and rumblings from the mountain
for some days before the actual erruption.  Maybe one of those is what the man
who shouts that the mountain is on fire means.

I'll take a piece of havartii with caraway seeds, please. :)

As for the fact that it should be noon when the main erruption starts, poor
Lucius seems to be so thoroughly hungover when Divia wakes him that I have little
doubt that he has been passed out for hours.  There's some kind of roof over
the couch he's lying on, isn't there? So Divia isn't in direct sunlight and we
know from the events in Toronto during Ashes to Ashes that she's a particularly
strong kind of vampire.  It could easily be noon.  No doubt they didn't leave
the villa until after dark.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:47:58 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Timing of Pompeii erruption

In a message dated 1/31/05 2:27:02 PM Central Standard Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:


>  No doubt they didn't leave the villa until after dark.

"Dark" could have easily been before sunset due to the clouds of the eruption.
I've been meaning to recommend an excellent newer book on the eruption that
I recently read (checked out of the library). Of course now I can't remember
the title and will have to look it up.

The author went into detail what those in Pompeii and Herculeaum would have
felt as the disaster struck. He compares some of the mechanics to the 9-11
tragedies. It is a great resource for FK fanfic writers wanting to deal with
Pompeii and what LaCroix would have felt and experienced.

Ah - found it on my library's website: "Ghosts of Vesuvius: a new look at the
last days of Pompeii, how towers fall, and other strange connections" by
Charles Pelegrino.

The book is VERY vivid. He  not only talks about Vesuvius and the twin
towers, but the Titanic and natural disasters which make Vesuvius seem like a
picnic in the park (and might give fan fic writers even more ideas). Fans of
science fiction will love reading about all the authors and famous scientists
the author counts among his friends.

Anyway, my mind was racing when I read the book and if I recall, I could
invision Divia being able to lead the newly vamped LaCroix to safety or at
least a safe hidey-hole. However, I think if they'd been caught in the intense
heat of the clouds, they'd have been ashes in the wind. Yet the book even tells
of at least one person who was lucky enough to have been in a place he didn't
get the killer heat, but was sealed in with his dog and couldn't escape.

--Libs

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