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FORKNI-L Digest - 22 Oct 2004 to 23 Oct 2004 (#2004-294)

Sat, 23 Oct 2004

There are 27 messages totalling 852 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. looking for a story
  2. Labelling stories by faction
  3. Story types -- do we really need labels? (12)
  4. War: Change in Knightie Leadership (2)
  5. Petra's Birthday Address
  6. faction labels for FKfic-l stories (2)
  7. <No subject given> (3)
  8. labelling stories
  9. Today's Birthday:  October 23
 10. No Subject
 11. Mini_C0n or whatever...
 12. Looking For Cousin Miranda LaCroix

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:18:56 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: looking for a story

Not at all. I agree with Stacy. I want to know what I'm reading before I
chose to read it; not just fan fiction, but all the fiction that I read.
When I walk into a book store, I head to the genres I enjoy. I don't like
murder mysteries or gory horror or espionage type stories, so I avoid them.
The same goes with fan fiction.

I have very little reading time, and I want to read only what I enjoy. As
far as the silly goes, I want to read realistic stories, but they don't have
to be cannon. I dislike the outrageous silly ones that are so weird they
could be a skit on Saturday Night Live. Hey, I like SNL, but when I watch
it, I know that it's comedy, again I have a choice.

I don't see the difference with fan fiction being labeled. I don't know a
bookstore or e-book publisher who doesn't have their books listed by genre.

Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com


on 10/22/04 1:37 PM, DarkPNinja@a....... at DarkPNinja@a....... wrote:

> Wouldn't this ruin the prospect of a surprise ending?  Most of my favorite
> works of fiction had a surprise twist at the end, insterting "silly" or "sad"
> at the beginning would tip me off to this before I even started it.

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:21:46 +0100
From:    Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Labelling stories by faction

Deborah Hymon wrote:

> I don't see the difference with fan fiction being labeled. I don't know a
> bookstore or e-book publisher who doesn't have their books listed by
> genre.

Yes, but it is!  It's Forever Knight fan fiction, as opposed to... BTVS or
SG1 or ST:DS9 fiction.  So to that extent it is labelled.  After all, if I
go into a bookstore, I expect to see all the detective novels listed by
genre, but I don't expect to find them listed by sub-sub-genre, such as
'Detective Stories set in Romano-Britain'.

And there are websites specific to particular factions, so serious fans of
that particular type of FK fiction know to haunt those websites and the
faction discussion lists for recommendations.  I don't see that it's a
problem - after all, being a Cousin I hate smoochy love stories, but... some
of the best FK fiction I've read has been NN romance.

Well written, thought provoking fan fiction is always worth reading, even if
you don't necessarily see things the same way as the author.  It never hurts
to challenge your own preconceptions about things.

Maybe we need a website set up to provide fan recommendations of fiction to
help point would-be readers in the right direction.  Hmm... come to think of
it, a simple discussion list just for this topic could handle the job a lot
easier, as long as the list provider has a decent search engine so you can
check what's been recommended in the past.

Cousin Kezia

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:41:50 -0700
From:    Susan M Garrett <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

I'll have to admit, as a writer I'm offended when people label my stories as
belonging to or being related to one faction more than another.  With very few
exceptions, every story I have written is its own universe, with its own reason
for being and its own purpose.  Genre is malleable - I write dramatic comedy and
comedic suspense and dramatic mystery and mysterious humor and ever so many
things.  I'd much rather someone classify "A Lamentation for Strings" as a story
about how love can be destroyed by pride than as a Janette/LaCroix story.  The
story is what it is, it isn't who appears in it.

That's one of the reasons we used to have the story challenges, to show just
how many variations on a vision could come out of a line or a situation.  Even in
the Ships in the Night challenge I did one year at Mediawest, there are grim
stories, funny stories, romantic stories, suspenseful stories...seven different
endings to a single story beginning.

But then, people have their own tastes and their own reading habits, as well as
their own writing habits.  If a writer feels they need to post some type of a
classification before a story to advise their reader of the contents, I suppose
it's something they should very much like to do.

Here's the challenge, though...why not make up a list of the best stories that
you would classify in a particular area?  For example, your list of top ten
must readers for a Nick and Nat packer or a Valentine or a Knightie.  But then
take the time to make a list of the top ten must read FK stories - not an
affiliation or faction-favorable story, but a story someone who watched the series
would read and recognize as true FK.

For me that's always been the mark to shoot for - to write something that
reflects the actual presentation and characterization of the series to as many
people as possible without being overly filtered through the writer's proclivities
and personal prejudices.  You never get 100%, but it's well worth a try.

For the record, one of my favorite pieces of FK fiction is "Blue" by Orive.  I
was happy to see it mentioned here the other day.  A very good friend of mine
whose opinion I respect in literary matters once told me she thought it was
over-written...and we agreed to disagree.  I think it's a moving and evocative
piece of fiction.  It, along with a ton of stuff on the Fk Fanfic website, deserves
to be read.

And it is exactly eleven years, or just a few days past, when I wrote and
posted my first FK fic to FKFanfic - "All That's Best of Dark and Bright."  It seems
like only yesterday.

Regards

Susan M. Garrett
Forever Faithful Ravenette
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2167/

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:50:31 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

I'm very glad McLisa said we do NOT have to label our stories. If writers
want to, that's fine. But sometimes that would give away part of my story
ideas.
Even professionally, I'm known for liking to put a twist on a story ending.
For me to post too much labeling might give away a story ending. Sorry, I'm NOT
going to give away my endings. If someone wants to read the ending first,
that's fine... Shoot, I've been known to do that. I've even been known to go
read all the "Spike" references in a BTVS novel before going back to reread the
entire book.

But I don't expect other people to want to do that.

I keep thinking of my "erotica" <g> "Screed Adventure" stories better known
as Screed and Nat. I've had numerous people e-mail me that they don't normally
read erotica or don't normally read Screed stories, but those were recommended
to them by someone and it surprised them when they enjoyed them.

I don't have much time to read fanfic or write it right now, but when I do,
the biggest surprises are always the stories I don't think I'll like from the
"labeling" but when i scan it, I end up drawn into it because of the good
writing and storytelling.

Shoot, I've even been known to put situations and characters together I
wouldn't want to read just because of the challenge the story presents to me as
a writer. I have to do that professionally, so why not with fan fic? <g>

--Libs

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:12:15 -0700
From:    Ithildin <ithildin@o.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

At 06:50 PM 10/22/2004 -0400, Libratsie@a....... wrote:
>I don't have much time to read fanfic or write it right now, but when I do,
>the biggest surprises are always the stories I don't think I'll like from the
>"labeling" but when i scan it, I end up drawn into it because of the good
>writing and storytelling.

One of the things I dislike about a lot of other fandoms is the labeling to
death of fic. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but really, do the labels have
to be as long as the story?? Yes, I'm exaggerating just a bit, but I wrote
a ficlet for Stargate, and didn't label it 'properly'. When the story was
archived, the archivist added all the labeling and disclaimers they
required, and I swear it was almost as long as what I wrote!

Granted, I'm not too fond of Nick/Nat fic, or Nick-centric fic in general,
but if the story is good, I'll keep reading. If I knew in advance too much
about it, I might end up not reading it, and then I'd miss some good
stories. About the only labeling I look for is whether a story is slash or
not, and maybe look to see what characters appear. And if I had to label my
own fic, I wouldn't even know where to begin! I don't like giving away the
plot in the labeling either, and some of my fic just doesn't
compartmentalize too well either -- hey, I'm quirky!

Like I said, I guess I'm old fashioned :)

I really hope FK fic doesn't end up being just like every other fandom. I
like that we're eccentric and unique :)

          Ith ~ ithildin@o....... ~ Denise
     ~ Don't believe everything you're foretold. ~ Angel ~
Tales From the Darkwood: http://ondragonswing.com/tales/

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:24:07 -0700
From:    NAT <nat1228@c.......>
Subject: War: Change in Knightie Leadership

Due to time constraints, the former Knightie leaders -- Katrinka, Eowyn,
and Nat -- have chosen to step down to "Senior Advisor" status and turn
over the reins of leadership. The Knighties' new leader is Brooksie
(a11ebrook@a.......). She has two 2ICs -- Gemsong (Tarkley@a.......) and
Mindy (knightfawkes@y......).

Please direct questions regarding the Knightie faction to Brooksie for the
duration of the war. The rest of us *will* be available, if needed. Thanks.

Nat

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Nancy A. Taylor -- nat1228@c.......
Knightie Co-Leader (now retired), Wars 10, 11
Senior Advisor, War 12
http://nat1228.tripod.com/war12.htm

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:57:23 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

If someone's going to read one of my fan fiction stories from beginning to
end, I want it to be because they were entertained by my writing from
beginning to end, because they couldn't stop reading, not because they are
on the lookout for a certain prescription of characters promised in a header
or because they sneaked a look at the ending and deemed it acceptable.

So, please, all of you who judge stories based on their factional formulas
and which characters get the most page time, do not read my fan fiction.
I've covered the spectrum of character relationships and tones within my fic
attempts, but I did not write them for you. I wrote them for myself, and for
readers who dearly love Forever Knight for all of its wonderful dynamics and
can appreciate with an open mind the wealth and breadth of themes this show
provided. Those with blinders on: walk on by.

<waves>

*************************************************
      Bonnie Rutledge .......... llamababe@c.......
Add-ons for the Baldur's Gate Series! Iron Modder VI, Dec. 5th!
  All at Pocket Plane Group: http://www.pocketplane.net

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:04:14 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Petra's Birthday Address

Hi Y'all!

First, I want to thank Nancy Taylor once again for forwarding the
birthday announcements for me.  My new computer is up and running but I
haven't been able to get my files transferred yet.  I'm working on it
though.

Second, after looking at the announcement as it appeared on the list I
think I know why it bounced.  There should be an underscore _ between
blue and Twingo.  The blue line that the computer puts under addresses is
obscuring it.  So please try sending your birthday greetings again.  I'm
sure Petra would love to hear from you.

Terri
(the sigless for now)
eowyn3@j....... or eowyn@w.......

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:23:01 -0400
From:    Mystykblue <mystykblue@v.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

So, please, all of you who judge stories based on their factional formulas
and which characters get the most page time, do not read my fan fiction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm sorry but from the standpoint of me the narrow minded reader with
blinders on I think your reply was super judgemental and not very kind.I am
not a writer.I notice that all of the contention is coming from writers who
feel they are being slighted.I read a lot of fanfiction when I can and I
prefer to read something I'm interested in.I've been a Forever Knight fan
since the 1994 and love the fandom. I've read tons of fanfic but I find I
prefer Adult,Het smut with Lacroix and another female.Yes that's probably
narrow or shallow to some people but it's what I like and honestly it makes
my life a hell of a lot simpler If I can find those stories based on those
guidlines without searching the internet for them.What is wrong with having
pairings listed or the type of fic such as drama/romance or angst? The
biggest fanfiction archives on the net have those standards and frankly
those authors aren't raising a fuss that their plots and storylines have
been given away.I'm sorry but that just sounds egotistical.What's wrong with
looking for a certain type of story and THEN reading it until the end and
still having a satisfying and enjoyable read? I do it all of the time.And
have done with your fiction too.

Lisa Williams
Mystykblue@v.......

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:33:09 EDT
From:    KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

I wrote them for myself, and for
readers who dearly love Forever Knight for all of its wonderful dynamics and
can appreciate with an open mind the wealth and breadth of themes this show
provided. Those with blinders on: walk on by.

And I, for one, truly enjoyed your stories and would love to see more. I may
primarily write Nick/Nat focused stories but I will at  least read the first
two-three chapters of any story to see if it catches my attention. I only want
to know if there is adult content, so I don't read them at work, where 'Big
Brother' may be watching. I don't like slash as a genre but have found some
slash stories that I've enjoyed (especially those written by Molly). If I was
judging a story solely by a label, I may not have discovered her work . To me,
that is the joy of FK fanfiction-- the variety is endless and some really do
defy labels.

If an author wants to put labels on their own work, or post only to factional
lists, that's fine, but I've always felt that work posted to the main list
may be of any genre and that was the risk you took by subscribing and reading
them. You may find yourself engrossed in a story you otherwise would not have
read and it may not end the way *you* would have ended it.

karen

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:43:41 -0700
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

I consider myself a Dark Knightie first, then a Nick
and Nat Packer second... (This would take too long,
just see my signature below.)

Anyway, I enjoy reading all types of FOREVER KNIGHT
fan fiction.  I've even been surprised by some slash
stories (which are not my usual).  Anyway, the point
is, I don't want to limit myself to what I read.  I
want any and all FK fan fic I can get my hands on.

However, I think an "adult" header (which includes
slash) is necessary just for age restrictions.

Knight Ranger

=====
e-mail:  KnightRanger1228@y......  - or -  KnightRanger4ver@y......
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Dark Knightie/Nick & Nat Packer/Caddy Whack/FOREVER KNIGHT Die Hard
BLACK HARBOUR Lobster Yacht Lot/Harbour Light  ** -- GAIRWOLFpack -- **
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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:53:08 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

In a message dated 10/22/04 8:32:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
mystykblue@v....... writes:


> What is wrong with having
> pairings listed or the type of fic such as drama/romance or angst?

Because many of my stories do NOT fit any story style, or they fit many. What
may be classified as "silly" to someone may be a serious or satire story to
someone else. At one convention where I was recently a guest, some people were
passing around a book that the author obviously thought was serious. For
various reasons (including not having had an editor) it actually was quite funny
and I'd have classified it as humor where the author didn't have that opinion
of it.

This isn't the biggest fanfic sites on the Net, we are talking about FKFIC-L
and McLisa has already ruled we do NOT have to put classifications on our
stories. When I post stories to other places, I follow the rules or if I don't
like the rules, don't post my stories (which has never happened but I could see
it happening).

--Libs

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:09:37 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

Mystykblue wrote:

<snip>I'm sorry but from the standpoint of me the narrow minded reader with
blinders on I think your reply was super judgemental and not very kind.
<snip>I'm sorry but that just sounds egotistical.<snip>

That's because I am judgmental and egotistical. I make no claims to being
anything contrary. I like me, I like my POV. That's why it's mine.

As opposed to being unkind, I saw my opinion as helpful and cooperative. If
someone is really looking for a story that fits a specific format, knowing
in advance they can skip my fan fiction will save them from potentially
wasting any of their precious reading-time rations. Consider it a big,
blanket e-mail label disclaimer/warning/whatever.

<waves>

*************************************************
      Bonnie Rutledge .......... llamababe@c.......
Add-ons for the Baldur's Gate Series! Iron Modder VI, Dec. 5th!
  All at Pocket Plane Group: http://www.pocketplane.net

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:29:39 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

I can certainly see "most" of the points made on this subject. But, just as
you don't want to limit your reading, I do. Old cliché: different strokes
for different folks.

When I posted this morning I had no idea the discussion would reveal so many
strong emotions from people.  I simply wanted to limit my time to reading
'what I want to read', and I feel I've missed some wonderful stories by not
knowing where or what they were.  The suggestion to go to the faction group
and read their archives--done it! I've read everything in all my preferred
faction groups. I'm always on the search for something new that would
'interest me'.

***I NEVER requested to make the 'labeling' mandatory on this list, just
suggested it. If you don't want to do it, then don't. But there are members
here who would appreciate the gesture.***

As for the 'narrow minded reader' comment. No, I just want to read what I
want to read, just as everyone else does. Some don't want to read ADULT, and
some don't want to read SLASH; this is the same thing--some of us do have
our preferences. We're all very busy with our lives, and I know I'm not the
only one with limited reading time.

If you prefer to read all the FK fan fiction, that's great, but I absolutely
don't have the time. Also, one weekend I was sick in bed. I took the time to
read all N&N fiction that I could (many were rereads), minus the "Last
Knight/death to the characters stories".  After reading the variety of N&N
stories I felt a lot better--chicken soup for the sick FK fan. That weekend,
I didn't want to read depressing or silly stuff. I wanted romantic, mushy,
loving stories--Dark N&N and N&N.

When I'm searching for reading material, I like knowing what I'll be
reading. I do like surprises, but in the genre/category that I prefer.
Labeling the story N&N/serious or N&J/romantic does not spoil the story no
more than the synopsis on the back of a paperback. I don't buy Stephan King
novels, even though I think he's an extremely talented writer, because I
don't care for his type of stories. The same goes for the many talented FK
fan fiction writers. If I don't prefer to read a certain type, then I would
like to know ahead of time to be able to make the choice.

Sometimes I need my 'N&N' fix, just like a drug addict. For those times I
turn to certain authors (many times rereading their work for the umpteen
time), who I know will give me what I need. And I do mean need. Perhaps some
of you can't understand this, but I've talked to other fans who have the
same addiction.

This is a very diverse group of people here. I respect all comments and
listen with an open mind to all opinions. We all have our preferences, not
just about this issue, but other things as well. But calling others 'narrow
minded' or similar comments is not the way to discuss the issue.  Again, it
was only a suggestion to "SHORTLY" label the stories. If you chose to do so
it will be appreciated by some of us.

Okay, enough said on this issue from me.

Knight.
Deborah


on 10/22/04 9:43 PM, Knight Ranger at knightranger1228@y...... wrote:

> Anyway, the point
> is, I don't want to limit myself to what I read.  I
> want any and all FK fan fic I can get my hands on.

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:30:18 -0500
From:    Sue Clark <sclark@s.......>
Subject: faction labels for FKfic-l stories

Personally, I love twisted endings. If I had to label everything
who/what/how, I might as well not even write the story. Just my POV.

--Sue

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:06:21 -0400
From:    Julia Kocich <jkocich@g.......>
Subject: Re: faction labels for FKfic-l stories

I read by author, not by genre. I get to say that, since I enjoy
reading Sue Clark!

There's a lot of poorly written stuff out there, regardless of faction
or pairing. So I read the people whose voices and imaginations are
interesting, whatever the given story or characters.

And one of the great things about FK Wars is the collaborative nature
of War posts: it's a great way to get into writing fanfic or
intensively editing fanfic. To say nothing (profound Slavic sigh) of
intensively reading fanfic!

And there is a discussion list for FKfanfic, but it's been very very
quiet. It's at fkficdiscussionlist@y........

Best,
Julia K.

Sue Clark wrote:
> Personally, I love twisted endings. If I had to label everything
> who/what/how, I might as well not even write the story. Just my POV.

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:14:56 -0500
From:    Valerie Murek <murek1@b.......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

*morphs out from her wall, suddenly visible*

I don't usually reply to anything, but I have to say this whole
conversation intrigued me. I am an avid reader and newbie writer, but
like most people, my time is precious. A 3 year old, 2 jobs and
volunteer work don't leave a lot of time for anything else. I love a lot
of different genres and fandoms, but I have to agree that most of the
time, I want to read something that is interesting to me and not
something I know I wouldn't like.  I had to laugh when it was stated
that some people read the end... I tend to do that as well.  I have days
that dictate what stories I want to read and I admit in FK, I tend to be
a NNpacker with dark preferences, but that in no way limits me.

As a rule, I like what I like and only choose to read that type of story
or grouping, but I don't believe that is necessarily narrow-minded. I
will try any story out, and usually I can tell in the first page if I
will like it or not. I have found whole new worlds of stories I never
thought about or thought I would like by taking a chance as well. But as
I said, there are days when I just want to read what I know I will like.

My opinion is not special... I can honestly see points on both sides.  I
personally like labels, but I am a perfectionist Virgo... (LOL) Labels
would be cool and I can, of course, live without them. Everything in
moderation... even in things as tame as this... Thanks for the
entertaining debate.

*morphs back into the wall, rendering herself invisible yet again*

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:21:09 -0400
From:    siona <siona@s.......>
Subject: <No subject given>

At 02:38 AM 10/22/2004, you wrote:
>i was wondering, Nick was said to live at 101 Gateway lane, but what was the
>real address for the warehouse. I heared that it was sold as loft condo's
>after the show was cancelled.

58 Broadview Ave at Eastern Avenue.  Incredibly I still have a picture of
it up from the Shrewthering (was that 1996?) at
http://members.aol.com/fkphoto2/tour.html

siona@s.......

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:37:26 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: labelling stories

/delurk

It's been interesting to me, as a fanfic writer, to see somewhat opposite
ends of the wide range of readership out there. Thank you to everyone who
expressed themselves. And now, my two cents Canadian:

Labels would limit me considerably as a writer. I love both reading and
writing fiction with twisty endings; also, my preferred kind of story to
write is one that deals with all of my favourite chracters.

For example, a while back I wrote a short story called "Here to Stay". The
story takes place post-LK, and is from Janette's point of view. Nick's
relationships with both Janette and Lacroix are explored. However, I would
call it a N/N story, too, especially given the twist to the end. But if I
had to label this story, faction-wise, I would be completely stymied!

I hope that, in the absence of a label, a few people will still read my
stuff. ;)

Eve
umdutto3@c.......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The opinions contained herein are mine, not those of the University of
Manitoba. It is the opinion of the University of Manitoba that I should be
writing my thesis.

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:41:12 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: <No subject given>

Please tell me that when they converted it to condos, they left the water
tower on top of the warehouse. <DEB CLOSES EYES WAITING FOR ANSWER>

on 10/22/04 12:21 PM, siona at siona@s....... wrote:
>> i was wondering, Nick was said to live at 101 Gateway lane, but what was the
>> real address for the warehouse. > 58 Broadview Ave at Eastern Avenue.

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Date:    Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:48:02 -0700
From:    "by way of NAT <nat1228@c.......>" <eowyn3@j.......>
Subject: Today's Birthday:  October 23

Hi Y'all

Today is the birthday of:  Rose         misschaos@m.......

You can send birthday greetings to Rose at the above e-mail address.
Please NOT to the list!

People who share birthdays on this date include:
Johnny Carson, Comedian, TV Talk Show Host
Michael Crichton, Novelist
Pele, Soccer Player
Marquis M. Converse, Manufacturer

Significant events on this date:
1814, the first modern plastic surgery operation is performed in Chelsea,
England.
1824, First steam locomotive demonstrated.
1946, the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York for the
first time.
1958, the Smurfs made their first appearance in a story of Johan & Peewit
in "Le Journal de Spirou."

I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Rose!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed) and e-mail address to me,
privately, eowyn3@j....... and I'll be glad to add you.

Terri
eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:55:59 EDT
From:    Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: No Subject

Siona said:
<<Incredibly I still have a picture of
it up from the Shrewthering (was that 1996?) at
http://members.aol.com/fkphoto2/tour.html>>
Wow Siona, very neat pics.  Thank you for having the addresses there, they
really help.

Deborah said:
<<Please tell me that when they converted it to condos, they left the water
tower on top of the warehouse. <DEB CLOSES EYES WAITING FOR ANSWER> >>
Right with you, Deborah!  That water tower is definitely an FK landmark.

AgapePhilos,
Dory. (who, if she gets a gobful of money someday, will reset Toronto to have
all the filming sites just as they were, starting with the loft and the
Raven.)
Faith.  Pure, simple faith - Jeanne d'Arc, FIHS

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:52:28 -0400
From:    Brooksie <a11ebrook@a.......>
Subject: War: Change in Knightie Leadership

Nat said...
> The Knighties' new leader is Brooksie (a11ebrook@a.......).
> She has two 2ICs -- Gemsong Tarkley@a.......) and
> Mindy (knightfawkes@y......).

Thanks for the announcement, Nat.  I want to quickly introduce myself since
I don't post very often.  I have been a FKer since the show was on the air
and am also a card carrying member of the GWDFC.  I played in War 11 as a
Leader-in-training for the Knighties, so I have had some war experience.

The Knighties are still accepting permission slips for those who want to
play as a Knightie in War 12 - Dark Knighties, Light Knighties, etc.  If you
want to play as a Knightie, send your permission slip to me at the addy
cited above.

It is due by Monday, October 25th and the format is as follows...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I, <name>, <playing as (nickname if applicable)>, <email address>, hereby
express my
intention to participate in the Forever Knight War 12 on FKFIC-L, and
hereby grant permission to other participants to portray me as a character
in their writing.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thanks,
Brooksie
Knightie Leader, War 12
"the Knight calls my name"

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:30:18 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Mini_C0n or whatever...

In the past I've read and seen mini-cons or whatever they're called. Are
there any scheduled this year, and if so where?

Deborah

DeborahAHymon.com

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:15:20 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y......>
Subject: <No subject given>

--- siona <siona@s.......> wrote:

> At 02:38 AM 10/22/2004,:
> >i was wondering, Nick was said to live at 101
> Gateway lane, but what was the
> >real address for the warehouse. I heared that it
> was sold as loft condo's
> >after the show was cancelled.

I just saw this building when I was in Toronto last
weekend.  It is still under heavy construction.  But
there still is one of the 101's clearly visible on the
brick wall of the building.  YOu just have to scale a
12 ft chainlink fence and climb into a pit to reach
it.  They have torn out all the old windows and
replaced them with more contemporary ones, gotten rid
of the garage doors entirely and replaced them with
windows, excavated out the basement level, and
completely removed the water tower, hopefully the WT
will be back, but it seems to be gone from the
building site entirely.  Even tho the claim is they
are lofts, 1200 to 1500 sq. ft is a postage stamp.
Where is the Forever Knight Preservation Society when
you need it??

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:48:23 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: Story types -- do we really need labels?

And now you need to write MORE!  All of you, Susan, Libs, Bonnie.  MORE!!!!!!

Also, I don't see why everyone's getting all het up about being called 'narrow-
minded'.  I'm very narrow-minded, in terms of FK fic, food, entertainment, etc.
There is way too much information (and fics) out there to absorb it all, and if
we didn't put some kind of personal limit on the choices we make, we'd spend
all of our time trying to keep up.  I'm not saying that you shouldn't try
something new now and again, but, having sampled it, if you don't like it,
there's nothing that says you have to finish the story.

                       -Megan

Susan M Garrett <susanmgarrett@e.......> wrote:
And it is exactly eleven years, or just a few days past, when I wrote and
posted my first FK fic to FKFanfic - "All That's Best of Dark and Bright." It seems
like only yesterday.


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:09:22 -0500
From:    Robert Sellers <sellersjr@c.......>
Subject: Looking For Cousin Miranda LaCroix

Hello All,

    I'm looking for an old member of the Cousinly GSS, Miranda LaCroix
(Miranda Bradet?).   I found her old fiction page, but her site
miranda.bradet.com is no longer available...
    She used to use the email fleurdebrabant@c....... and
specmir@h........
    Please contact me off list.

Many Thanks!
Cousin Bob (GSSPhantom)

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