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FORKNI-L Digest - 28 Aug 2004 to 29 Aug 2004 (#2004-238)

Sun, 29 Aug 2004

There are 33 messages totalling 982 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Fledglings (4)
  2. What kind of motorcycle did Nick have? (3)
  3. Close Call 2 (2)
  4. Crossing over
  5. bringing Richard across (2)
  6. Crossing Over (2)
  7. Nick didn't see Alyce
  8. I will repay (4)
  9. Least Favorite Episode (4)
 10. Looking for stories for Donnie's coffee corner
 11. Blind Faith
 12. Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] FK,  Bringing Someone Across (4)
 13. Admin: Forkni-l Rules (2)
 14. OT - Chocolate for a Cause
 15. Nat and Richard's parents

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:17:06 EDT
From:    Sierra Mayberry <Bluefaeryknight@a.......>
Subject: Re: Fledglings

Knight Ranger said: "On another thread, the term 'fledgling' is used alot in
fan fic, but in "I Will Repay", Nick calls Richard a 'recent convert'.  I
don't believe that 'fledgling' was used in the show."

I don't think they used it on the show either, and i have seen it used a LOT
in FK fan fic.  (Don't get me wrong, i like the word)  Now i'm wondering, how
did it come about for people to start using that word to refer to the
person/people a vampire brings across?

~Sierra, who seems to be posting a lot lately :)

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:21:32 -0700
From:    KC Monroe <kaysea1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?

If you compare the following two photos:

http://www.ozebook.com/sorgner/Norton~2.jpg

which is listed as a 1961 Norton Dominator Model 650SS
(full webpage is
http://www.ozebook.com/sorgner/sorgner6.htm)

and this one of Nick (from Kristen's site) sitting on
his cycle
http://www.honeybat.com/kristin2/Forever_Knight/Season_1/ol079.JPG


you can see the similarities.

You can just make out the curving line on the TOP of
the  logo in the FK picture. Any logos I found for
Triumph have a curve BELOW while Norton logos have
them above.

I think I heard GWD identify it as a Norton in a
weekend tape-maybe the first or second one? I also
seem to remember he said he never rode it because the
insurance on the bike was too high to risk damaging
the bike.

KC


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:28:08 +0000
From:    Nicola De Brabant <lucien1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: Fledglings

dosen't LaCroix or Vachon use the term 'fledgling' sometime in the third
season?


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:34:21 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Fledglings

Fledgling is a young and inexperienced person, or a young bird who has
recently developed the feathers necessary for flying and a new participant
in some activity. Interesting definitions, especially about the bird.

I've been reading vampire books for many years, including the myths which
are different from continent to continent, and even differ from neighboring
countries in Europe. However, the term fledgling is not something new to
referring to a young convert. The word has been around for centuries. Some
time ago, I remember reading a very old document of legends in the Old
World--the word was used repeatedly in the document. At the moment I can't
remember the title of the book that had the reproduced document, but it was
there.

I agree the term may not have been used in FK, but I think it sprung up in
the fan fiction because across the board, it's been used repeatedly to
describe the new convert. It's become the common term in movies, books, and
some TV shows.  The writers get it from old legends and myths that have been
documented.

Deborah
DeborahAHymon

Now i'm wondering, how did it come about for people to start using that word
to refer to the person/people a vampire brings across?
 ~Sierra, who seems to be posting a lot lately :)

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:54:00 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Close Call 2

I know I've mentioned this before, but I still think it's hilarious that,
despite the fact that I've *never* seen any two books/sources that agreed on
the details of vampirism, the books he was reading gave him completely accurate
information, FK-vampire-wise.

             -Megan



--- Emily Lacey wrote:

> Thinking of Close Call, does anyone get a list of
the books stacked on Schanke's desk that he is looking
through? I'm pretty sure that they are made up...



"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:00:45 -0700
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?

You're right.  I stand corrected.  The pictures don't
lie.  Its a Norton.  Thanks for clear this up.

Knight Ranger

--- KC Monroe <kaysea1228@y.......> wrote:

> I think I heard GWD identify it as a Norton in a
weekend tape-maybe the first or second one?

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:17:01 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......>
Subject: Re: Fledglings

It is particularly apt for FK because of the fact that
in the FK world vampires can FLY, which is where the
original definition came from.
 From dictionary.com:
fledgling

adj 1: of a young bird just having acquired its flight
feathers; "a fledgling robin" [syn: fledgling(a),
fledgeling(a)] 2: young and inexperienced; "a
fledgling enterprise"; "a fledgling skier"; "an
unfledged lawyer" [syn: unfledged] n 1: any new
participant in some activity [syn: newcomer,
fledgeling, starter, neophyte, freshman, newbie,
entrant] 2: young bird that has just fledged or become
capable of flying [syn: fledgeling]




> I don't think they used it on the show either, and i
> have seen it used a LOT
> in FK fan fic.  (Don't get me wrong, i like the
> word)  Now i'm wondering, how
> did it come about for people to start using that
> word to refer to the
> person/people a vampire brings across?
>

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"When a half-breed vampire becomes the object of Mafia revenge, the ensuing
power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
THAN WATER
"The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him."

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:22:33 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?

Mystery solved! Thanks, I promise to incorporate into
a story very soon!


--- KC Monroe <kaysea1228@y.......> wrote:

> If you compare the following two photos:
>
> http://www.ozebook.com/sorgner/Norton~2.jpg
>
> which is listed as a 1961 Norton Dominator Model
> 650SS
> (full webpage is
> http://www.ozebook.com/sorgner/sorgner6.htm)
>
> and this one of Nick (from Kristen's site) sitting
> on
> his cycle
>
http://www.honeybat.com/kristin2/Forever_Knight/Season_1/ol079.JPG
>
>
> you can see the similarities.
>
> You can just make out the curving line on the TOP of
> the  logo in the FK picture. Any logos I found for
> Triumph have a curve BELOW while Norton logos have
> them above.
>
> I think I heard GWD identify it as a Norton in a
> weekend tape-maybe the first or second one? I also
> seem to remember he said he never rode it because
> the
> insurance on the bike was too high to risk damaging
> the bike.
>
> KC
>

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"When a half-breed vampire becomes the object of Mafia revenge, the ensuing
power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
THAN WATER
"The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him."

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:22:48 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Crossing over

It seemed to me  more times than not, Nick   snapped his victim's neck after
he  finished drinking.   That would  suggest  at least in the FK universe,
that    unless the vampire made sure  his/ her  victim was dead,  be it by
draining them completely or  breaking their neck  there was always   a
slight  chance that  they might come across.  Which might explain the
Barber.     As I recall LaCroix said the Barber's blood was so putrid that
he couldn't    finish the job.  He wanted Nick to go back and kill him for
him.

Debbie Clarke



>From: Libratsie@a.......
>That said, didn't someone (maybe an FK writer or someone connected with the
>show) once theorize that FK vampires have hollow teeth so in the process of
>feeding, they are also injecting their victims with their own blood to
>bring the
>victim across if it is so desired.
>


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:39:17 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: bringing Richard across

I think you are being a little harsh on  Natalie.   If as has been suggested
her  brother was the last surviving member of her family she would have been
desperate to  find a way to keep him alive.

On a personal  level I always felt that an  accidental death is one of the
hardest things to have to cope with.  It happens out of the blue and you can
not help but think afterwards if only it had rained or  they had gone left
instead of right.  or  left five minutes earlier.

Knowing what she did about Vampires,  Natalie was  in an  even worse
emotional state than   the rest of us.   She knew that Nick had the power to
change  to make Richard live again. It was  wrong but  I don't blame her for
asking or even trying to force him to agree.  Who knows what any of us would
do if we were faced with a similar situation.

Debbie Clarke



>From: "Stone, Barbara" <STONEB@g.......>
  Natalie, out of love for her
>brother, shamelessly plays on Nick's sense of guilt to convince him to
>bring Richard
>across.  She tells him he owes her this one favor (because she keeps his
>secret and is
>looking for a way to make him mortal).


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:57:26 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Crossing Over

That works for me. Escpecially in regard to Nick who drank first from
LaCroix ( quite savagely  I might add) and secondly we presume from Janette.
  It also brings up the question  did Richard drink from Nick? As you recall
when Nick spoke to Janette about bringing Richard across  she brought up
the question of the eternal bond.  Nick said he didn't think it was
necessary or words to that effect.   It is quite possible that Nick who  has
been pursued by laCroix all his vampire life, didn't want to inflict that on
Richard so he  didn't  do what LaCroix had done to him.    If  that is the
case  it may explain why Richard didn't respond to his master's commands.

Debbie Clarke



>From: Sierra Mayberry <Bluefaeryknight@a.......>
  But, if the vampire gives them their blood,
>they share a bond (link, connection, etc) and are family.  This makes sense
>to me because it explains why LaCroix is closer with some of his children
>than
>others.
>
>
>~Sierra


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:11:33 -0500
From:    Catharine Clemens <catiec@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick didn't see Alyce

Hi there,


I thnk you are mistaken.I have to say that Nick didn't see Alyce. Besides I
don't think he would feel that it was none of Natalie's business since she is
his confidant of sorts.
If you listen to how he says how she is the "lucky one",it is clear that he
thinks she is dead.
Catharine

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:36:32 -0500
From:    Catharine Clemens <catiec@a.......>
Subject: Re: bringing Richard across

I would like to add two things in Natalie's defense. This was no lingering
death where Natalie had plenty of time to to think about the likely outcome.
This happened so quickly and she was reacting out of grief.
The second thing is that by the time Richard was brought across,if you
notice,Nick was confident he could do it. His decision was no longer based on
Natalie making him feel guilty..
And people do strange things when Faced with the death of a loved one. Irf she
hadn't been so upset,She would have found a gentler way of asking. It was clear
to me that she was practically in hysterics
Just my 2 cents:).

Catharine

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:28:55 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: I will repay

Ok, with all the talk I had to sit down and watch the ep again.
One thing really bothered me (nothing to do with the bringing across
and such...)
When Nick and Nat are telling Richard's wife about what Nick did and
the wife asks "What about the funeral and the casket, etc" Nick says
they buried a homeless man in his place...
Now they seemed to do all that VERY fast.  Nick and Nat are still
wearing the exact same clothes and apparently Richard has not woken
up yet.  It appears as though only a few hours have passed... *maybe*
a day (ie Nat says Richard did at 2.02am and this is the following
evening) Still I would think it would be VERY difficult to put
together a funeral in that short of a time.  Yes, Nat would have been
able to take one of the 'unclaimed' bodies from the morgue, but if
there was a casket and a burial, a funeral home would have to be
involved, as well as a cemetary if they buried a guy and that all
takes more than a few hours.
Just my .02

-Amanda

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on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:47:20 -0500
From:    Becky Hinson <bayoubecky@c.......>
Subject: Re: I will repay

> When Nick and Nat are telling Richard's wife about what Nick did and
> the wife asks "What about the funeral and the casket, etc" Nick says
> they buried a homeless man in his place...
> Now they seemed to do all that VERY fast.

Perhaps Sarah had taken care of the details earlier?  Didn't the doctor tell
them the night before or something like that that his prognosis wasn't good?

I'll take a nice chunk of Muenster, please.

:)
~Cousin Becky

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:05:29 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: I will repay

> Perhaps Sarah had taken care of the details earlier? Didn't the doctor tell
> them the night before or something like that that his prognosis wasn't good?

Actually, Sarah thanks Natalie for taking care of everything for Richard's
service and talks about how lovely it is.
It's that fact that has led me to believe that Nat and Richard's parents are
dead; there is no mention of them at all in the ep, and that lack is rather
compelling for me (even if it was likely unintentional).
Amy

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:25:04 -0500
From:    Becky Hinson <bayoubecky@c.......>
Subject: Re: I will repay

> Actually, Sarah thanks Natalie for taking care of everything for Richard's
service and talks about how lovely it is.

Ehhh, I'm enjoying my cheese.  Maybe Natalie set it up regardless, still
hoping Nick would give in?

I'll take a piece of cheddar while I'm at it.

:)
~Cousin Becky

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:01:32 -0400
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode

Michele wrote:
>He should know that given his past failures but he seems to disregard her
treatments and suggestions and always
>seems to go for the snake oil salesman with promises of a miracle cure.  So
like a man.

Now, now....Tisk, tisk...


How like Nick The Brick, you mean?  :-)

(Cousin Will ducks from the impending assault of bricks being whipped at him
by legions of angry Knighties :-) )

W.

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:26:00 -0500
From:    Lisa Luksus <tokaara@c.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode

At 11:01 PM 8/28/2004, Will Steeves typed these words:
>How like Nick The Brick, you mean?  :-)

Which just reminded me of one of my favorite, soda-spewing-at-the-monitor
moments from War 8, where one of the AU Nicks who thought he was a
superhero (or something to that effect) announced "'Tis I -- Brick Man!"  I
distinctly remember the line, although I may be mistaken about the
circumstances.  Anyone else remember that one?



Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@c....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:53:40 +0200
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Looking for stories for Donnie's coffee corner

 Hi everyone,

I posted a request for stories that have Don Schanke as the main protagonist
or as a major part of it. I've gotten one or two, but I really need more for
my Donnie site.
You don't have to send the stories, a link will do.

Also, if there are any new categories you would like to see on DCC, tell me!

Thanks,

Doris
UF, Cousin, FoD
"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table." - Uncle
http://www.come-undone.net (FK Fan Fiction)
http://www.uncle-unlimited.org (A Lucien Lacroix Fanweb)
http://www.dcc.come-undone.net (Donnie's Coffee Corner)



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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:02:49 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith

My body of fanfic is very small, but I did do a story which follows what
happened to Jody during and after the final scenes of Blind Faith. I find her a
very interesting character (although I agree that the episode is far from
perfect), and I'm (still!) working on a sequel to Blind Luck. Blind Luck is
available on the FTP site.

Your humble servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:12:45 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Close Call 2

> Thinking of Close Call, does anyone get a list of the books stacked
> on Schanke's desk that he is looking through?

The main book, which Schanke reads from in a voice-over, is _Legends of the
Undead_, by Justin  Craig.

Your humble servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:28:48 -0700
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] FK,  Bringing Someone Across

Sherri,

I found your addy interesting.  "Blood Roses" was one
of
the terms used for the marks of the Bubonic Plague.

Laurie of the Isles



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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:32:28 EDT
From:    Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: Re: Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] FK,  Bringing Someone Across

In a message dated 8/29/2004 7:29:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
laudon1228@y....... writes:
I found your addy interesting.  "Blood Roses" was one
of the terms used for the marks of the Bubonic Plague.
Wow, that's interesting..................

Thanks for sharing it; I had forgotten all about that
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Laurie!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Love,
BL

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:36:20 EDT
From:    Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: Re: Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] FK,  Bringing Someone Across

DARNDARNDARN

That was NOT supposed to happen

I am so *dreadfully sorry* to all concerned

Don't even know how it came to me and it was supposed to go OFF LIST

Humbles of apologies.

Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:39:39 -0700
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] FK,  Bringing Someone Across

Eeep!  Sorry.  I wrote "Private" but forgot to change
the "To" field.  Many apologies.

:: blush ::

Laurie
--- Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......> wrote:

> Sherri,
>
> I found your addy interesting.  "Blood Roses" was one
> of the terms used for the marks of the Bubonic Plague.
>
> Laurie of the Isles
>


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I could get away from it. -- Carol Shields, 'Swann'


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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:44:51 -0700
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Crossing Over

--- Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......> wrote:

(Nick)

< didn't want to inflict that on Richard so he didn't

< do what LaCroix had done to him.    If  that is the
< case  it may explain why Richard didn't respond to
> his master's commands.

Then again it may be just a case of karmic payback:
The standard parents' line to kids:

"Some day you're going to have a kid just like you,
and
I am going to *laugh*!

<g>
Laurie of the Isles



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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:46:15 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Least Favorite Episode

I can't recall the name of my least favorite episode, but it's the one with
Katherine Barrington, a World War II friend who emigrated to Toronto and whom
Nick got Aristotle to help disappear back in the fifties. Why do I hate it so?
Because the writing is so incompetent that I think it would get the author thrown
out a basic script-writing class.

This is, btw, the infamous, "you still owe me for the Battle of Hastings" line,
which means the writer was too lazy to look up a simple date.  Hastings was in
1066.  Nick was brought across in 1228.  If that was the only problem, I could
ignore it. Actually it's just the first flaw.

1.  Katherine's husband is murdered by his partner, leaving her as holding half
the stock. He can't operate the business without her consent on a number of
things and he will have to have that vote in written form every year.  You know,
as in stockholder meetings and proxy mail-ins if someone can't go there and vote
in person?  The writers blithely brush that off on the ground that Katherine's
signature can be regularly authenticated by her bank.  Nope, not if she's been
missing for and not seen in public under her own name for decades. Even Howard
Hughes ended up having to testify by phone in court proceedings after some of
his stockholders sued to force him to prove that he was alive and competent.
His signature wasn't sufficient. There's a little thing called forgery.  There's
also the fact that signatures change over time. If she stays missing this long,
there's going to be no way to bring in a witness such as her bank manager who
can testify that it really is her signature.  The ex-parnter is a very rich and
influential man who can afford the best legal talent.  He'll have her in court --
which will make it possible for him to trace her false identity and whereabouts
-- so fast there'd be no time for a commercial.

Anyway, partnerships are almost never set up this way, so that if one partner
dies, the other doesn't get the whole thing.  It's normal to carry insurance on
the partners which, in the event of death, pays for the survivor to buy out the
deceased's half.  If Katherine is missing it would go into some kind of holding
account. In any case, there would be no stock to support her.

The worst of this nonsense is at the end when she tells Nick, "let them sell
it."   Who's "them"?  Katherine just spent forty years risking her life to keep
it. She apparently needs the money and she has a second husband by now. He
apparently isn't a rich man in his own right. Even if the villain's heirs get
his half -- which is dubious, given that he killed to get full control of the
business and you can't profit by a crime once you're convicted of it -- her half still
requires her consent to be sold.

2.  In the last scene, where Katherine is showing Nick pictures in an album and
waking down memory lane, she says, "oh, that's George, my husband."  Right.
They've been in contact since the beginning of the show, and they've apparently
talking at length in Nick's loft for a while.  She hasn't already told him she's
remarried and the new husband's name is George?  That's amateur exposition of
the most naive kind.

3.  Katherine's troubles are entirely of her own making once she comes back.
She is aware that if the villain ever finds her, he will kill her. That's  why
Nick and Aristotle helped her disappear in the first place.  Yet once she
returns to Toronto, not only does she reclaim and start driving a very rare and
conspicious model of car, she also takes up residence  in her old house.  They
used the same establishing shots for the modern crime and the past.  Oh, yes,
and she has the same first name.  Admittedly Katherine is a common name, but in
conjunction with the rest, she might just as well call the villain and ask him to come
and shoot her.

There were lots of eisodes I didn't care much for and a few I really hated in
the third season.  However, for  me this one took the cake.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:13:10 -0800
From:    Helena Handbag <momra1@l.......>
Subject: OT - Chocolate for a Cause

Posted with McLisa's permission

===

Special bags of pink and white M&Ms will be on sale from September through
November 2004.
Proceeds of the sale will go to the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, a
non-profit organization.

So please pick up a bag or two. You will be helping a great cause and
satisfying your sweet tooth at the same time. If you don't care for chocolate, chances
are you know other people who adore it, so buy some for your friends!

hugs,

Tamara

Check it out:
http://www.m-ms.com/us/news/promotions/komen/index.jsp




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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:53:51 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Nat and Richard's parents

Richard does tell Nat, in the brief scene which introduces him in the beginning,
that she sounds just like Mom. He's referring to the way she's chiding him.
However, that doesn't mean Mom isn't dead. I too have never seen how Nat and
Richard could have any living close relatives if they got away with a closed
casket throughout.  Usually the casket would be open at least a few hours before
the funeral for anyone who wants to look.  If they had close relatives, someone
probably would have insisted.  Funerals aren't usually at night, so it's
unlikely Nick would have been there to hypnotize anyone out of such a wish.

McLisa, who personally loves I Will Repay
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:57:38 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode

-----Original Message-----
Cousin Tok asked:
>moments from War 8, where one of the AU Nicks who thought he was a
>superhero (or something to that effect) announced "'Tis I -- Brick Man!"


Oh, yes, that was Lisa Prince's AU universe.  He was first spotted standing at
the foot of her bed,  identifying himself as Brick Man, and asking, "are you my
concrete cutie?"

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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