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FORKNI-L Digest - 27 Aug 2004 to 28 Aug 2004 - Special issue (#2004-236)

Sat, 28 Aug 2004

There are 33 messages totalling 1009 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Bringing Someone Across (5)
  2. Cerberus???
  3. FK,  Bringing Someone Across (8)
  4. What kind of motorcycle did Nick have? (3)
  5. Least Fav Ep
  6. Least Fav Ep ("Fire Inside")
  7. Close Call 2
  8. Looking for website owner (2)
  9. website change
 10. Janette after Toronto!
 11. Best and Least Fav Eps
 12. Question concerning Nick's location in May 1980 (2)
 13. Crossing over (4)
 14. Pompeii and Rome pics...
 15. Blind Faith

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:05:03 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing Someone Across

--- "topics: +adult Mary Wirick" <wirickml@g.......>
wrote:
> How much did she teach him and how much did he
> have to learn on his own?
> What happened to his first attempt?
> Who might have been his first?
>

Since LC was what, 1000 when he made Janette, (wasn't
Francesca older than J?) I would assume that in the
time leading up to that he had several practice runs.


Several fanfics out there have had LaCroix with
"brothers and sisters"  of Divia's making, but being
so young herself (he killed her 20 years after his
conversion -- I'm also assuming hers was probably no
more than a year before his), who knows how much she
could have taught him.

MO

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:07:36 -0700
From:    Cousin Tserisa <tserisa@g.......>
Subject: Re: Cerberus???

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:54:57 -0400, Arletta Asbury <g4akl@charm.net> wrote:

> >Isn't Cerberus the head of the Cousin faction during war?
>
> Yes, that's Cerberus.  :)
> Arletta
> Newly designated 1/3 Cerberus for the upcoming war.

Woof! Three heads are better than one.

We also have a War page: http://geocities.com/houndofhades/

--
Cousin Tserisa (also a head) :: tserisa@g....... :: AIM: CousinTser
http://velvetdragon.com/forkni/
http://velvetdragon.com/caddy/

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:24:06 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

Michele said:
> This is what makes this episode really stink. Its so
> not Nick. He should have stood up to Natalie and
> helped her see some reason.

This is actually the point at which I thought the show started to send up very
interesting (though sad, disturbing, and ultimately tragic) warning flags about
their relationship.  Nick and Natalie, even this early, and no matter how much
I wanted it to be different (even this early and on through the end) had, imo,
a tremendously co-dependent, unhealthy relationship.

They were both from abusive backgrounds (which we knew of Nick already at this
time, and suspected of Natalie based on a number of behavior patterns on her
part).  They both had boundary issues (Nat's request here in IWR, Nick knowing
he can hurt her in FtB--and her letting him and then blowing it off).  They were
both terrified of losing the other, and would do things that they didn't believe
in to preserve the relationship (Nat's request here, Nick's agreeing, Nat asking
him to bring HER across in AMPH, Nat lying over and over and over on reports,
Nat giving Nick more of the drug in "The Fix", and on and on it goes) because
they were more afraid of the other not being there than they were of breaking
their own codes.

I think caving here is very much like Nick--it's tremenously hard for him to
say no (I can't think of a single example offhand) when a woman he loves cries.
And as mcuh loss as he's faced, and as much as he holds onto things to try and
prevent himself from having to face loss, I think that particular button, and
the opportunity to save Natalie that, are something he couldn't quite refuse,
even knowing the dangers.

> I kinda thought that he gave him cow and that is part
> of what made Richard go crazy. Tho maybe a non-living
> first meal is what did it.

I figured part of what made Richard go crazy was the lack of supervision.  Nick
*left the loft*, telling Richard to stay put, after telling Richard that the
urges were tremendously powerful.
Elizabeth (from the flashbacks) went crazy in exactly the same way, and her
first meal was definitely fresh and human.

Richard was, I believe, a classic example of "absolute power corrupts
absolutely"; the access to that kind of power took his desire to free the streets
of criminals and distorted it.  Similarly, the power and urges took Elizabeth's
desire for beauty and popularity and turned it into a desire to punish those who
had denied her that.

When I was writing "Slippery", I went back and counted the number of people
Richard killed on his rampage.  When you take into account the alley with the
would-be rapist, those mentioned in the briefing and the dead folks at Saul
Craven's, I counted seven.  I attribute at least part of Richard's ever-escalating
rampage and ever-lessening sanity to him being drunk on the engorgement and the
memories of so many and rush of power from killing them.

I still can't believe Nick (or Nat, who would have a great excuse but no
defenses) didn't call in sick to stay with Richard.

Just my few cents,
Amy

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:06:49 -0700
From:    Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?

--- Michele C <mobody_62@y.......> wrote:

> --- Cloud <clouddancer@c.......> wrote:
> > > you know, the one he never rode? :)
> >
> > Positively a Triumph.
> >
> I have always heard it was a Norton Commando, tho
> lately on another board someone made a good case for
> it being a Norton Atlas. (photo comparison) Its
> definately a Brit Bike, but not a Triumph.
>
The Triumph was Vachon's, wasn't it?

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:08:14 EDT
From:    Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing Someone Across

In a message dated 08/27/04 9:54:43 AM, wirickml@g....... writes:
<< I was wondering, was Divia able to teach LaCroix how to bring someone
across before he "killed" her?
How much did she teach him and how much did he have to learn on his own? >>

One can assume that LaCroix would remember his own conversion, and, when he
wanted to bring someone across on his own, would repeat it.  If the question is
how it's worded, yes, I think Divia could have taught LaCroix how to carry
out the process.  But I've almost always thought it was the memory of said
vampire that teaches the majority of the lesson.  The rest is learned through
guidance, as LaCroix gave his children, especially Nicholas and Janette. (the
rest being not taking too much, giving just enough of your own back to your
fledgling, making sure the fledgling gets the proper first meal, et c.)  If he
never tried to bring someone across while guided by Divia, he may have had to
learn through trial and error later on.

<<What happened to his first attempt?
Who might have been his first?>>
These questions are best answered in fanfic, no? ;)

AgapePhilos,
Dory
Faith.  Pure, simple faith. - Jeanne d'Arc, FIHS

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:10:52 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep

I like that one too.

Debbie Clarke


>From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>

>
>I'm just gonna keep being ornery here.  I am one of the few people that
>really likes "The Fire Inside."  I just find it real compelling.  Everybody
>else gets bored with all this walking around underground, I guess, but I'm
>glued to the screen.
>
>


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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:23:51 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep ("Fire Inside")

> >Margie Hammet said:
> >I am one of the few people that
> >really likes "The Fire Inside." I just find it real compelling.
> Debbie Clarke replied:
> I like that one too.

I really liked the concept of "The Fire Inside", but I thought they really
dropped the ball on making the B-plot with Natalie effectively compelling.

I suspect that the issue was entirely or almost entirely a financial one, but
to have it staged as they did, in a small room, with her and Cohen not even
looking at each other, dim lighting, no visuals, no specifics...it just didn't
come across as *real* to me somehow.  I suspect that they couldn't afford the
effects to show us a bit of what she remembered, but they did have enough archive
footage of fire and could have inserted ghostly screams to make it more real
somehow.

As it was, instead of being gripping and showing us the terror that she still
felt, it seemed very sterile and not the consuming power that the fear and the
fire were for her.

I also felt like they let down the side a bit in terms of using the episode as
a bonding moment with Nat and Cohen; the bonding that could have been just
wasn't something I really *felt* from the scenes which, again, I believe was due
in large part to how sterilized and static the scenes were filmed and blocked.

That said, I did love the scene by the fireplace with Nick and Nat at the end.

Amy

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:07:24 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing Someone Across

Dory said:
>But I've almost always thought it was the memory of said
> vampire that teaches the majority of the lesson. The rest is learned through
> guidance, as LaCroix gave his children, especially Nicholas and Janette.

I think it makes good sense to assume that each vampire learns to create more
vampires from his/her own memory of being brought across.

I am not sure how much I'd be willing to say that LaCroix gave "guidance" to
Nick and Janette, though.  I think he tended to withhold information in order to
keep them a bit off balance, a bit more under his control.  He certainly told
them at least part of what he expected and wanted, but he didn't *guide* by my
definition of the word, but *dictate*, expecting absolute obedience.

Of course, his fascination with Nick as Nick rebelled at every turn, and his
near indifference toward Janette as she complied, is SUCH an interesting
paradigm.  It's much, imo, like the great indifference toward the character of
Hero in "Much Ado About Nothing"--although she's the model of the time period's
"perfect woman"--while Beatrice, breaking every rule, captured everyone's
attention and hearts and interest (one king, on his personal copy, crossed out
the title "Much Ado About Nothing" and wrote "Beatrice and Benedick").

At any rate, I have long wondered how much of Nick's abyssmal history with
bringing folks across (of whom I presume Erica to be the one exception if she
was indeed brought across by Nick and they were not chance met) is due to a lack
of information from LaCroix, how much is due to Nick "doing it wrong" somehow,
how much is due to his unfortunate luck in choosing his subjects poorly with his
do-gooder nature (Elizabeth who was already unstable, for example), how much was
due to his own failure to monitor effectively or adequately, and how much is
due to his own ambivalence (at best) toward his own nature and toward vampirism.

If it is the fault of that last, I wonder (again, if he did indeed bring Erica
across) if Erica's stability (for as long as it was there) was due to his
seeming peace with himself during that time.  Also, I wonder if Erica's eventual
suicide could then be deemed, again, to have been influenced by Nick's
ambivalence toward himself, set aside though it was at that time.

A few more cents; I'm apparently very FK-chatty today.
Amy

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:29:30 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceyem@b.......>
Subject: Close Call 2

>I was watching Close Call this morning,

Thinking of Close Call, does anyone get a list of the books stacked
on Schanke's desk that he is looking through? I'm pretty sure that
they are made up, but it would be nice to know the imaginative titles
and authors.

--
Emily Lacey
laceyem@b.......

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:57:05 EDT
From:    Sierra Mayberry <Bluefaeryknight@a.......>
Subject: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

In Dark Knight, Nick looks up and sees Alyce through the skylight.
Afterwards what he says to Natalie makes it seem she is dead.  I don't think
this is an
inconsistency, i think he lied, cause it really wasn't Natalie's business
that Alyce was a vampire.

As for how to bring someone across, in the flashback in Bad Blood, LaCroix
didn't give the barber his blood.


~Sierra

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:54:26 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

--- Sierra Mayberry <Bluefaeryknight@a.......> wrote:
> As for how to bring someone across, in the flashback
> in Bad Blood, LaCroix
> didn't give the barber his blood.


They never said, but the barber seemed like the kind
of guy to bite back.  So maybe that is how he got the
blood.

Mo

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:56:46 -0300
From:    T <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?

> --- Cloud <clouddancer@c.......> wrote: Positively a Triumph.
> Reply from:  Michele C
> I have always heard it was a Norton Commando... Its
> definately a Brit Bike, but not a Triumph.

Vachon, on the other hand, did have a Triumph - He says so on his corner of
my site http://laplor.tripod.com/vachon/bike.html <wink>, but I'm afraid I
don't remember a source to cite properly.  I only remember someone who knew
far better than I saying adamantly that Nick had a Norton, and Vachon rode a
Triumph.
--
LapLor
tfloyd@n.......
"The person sitting next to you is weirder than you can possibly imagine."

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:01:56 -0500
From:    "topics: +adult Mary Wirick" <wirickml@g.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing Someone Across

Nick has never been very good at brining people across.
His first attempt was with Alyssia. And this after being a vampire for some 300
years.
LaCroix said he told him not to take too much. Is this all he told him? He also
mentioned that with time he would get the hang of it.
How much of the process did Nick remember of his being brought across?
Not his decision to return, but the process that LaCroix
did to him. Being bitten, drained to almost death and just how long did he lay
there before returning?

There were so many ways during the run it would be nice if there could be
someway to have someone official "clean it all up".

My thoughts are this as long as it is voluntary.
First you are bitten.
Then as you are drained, you fall into a coma and go to the "light".
Is there a fever associated with this process?
You make your choice. When you return, you take the blood of the vampire.
You fall into a deep sleep and when you awake, you need to be fed.
Hopefully before the first hunger strikes. (Nick in Dark Knight did not seem to
have the first hunger as bad or he had great control then)
Of course LaCroix's blood might have been enough to keep the first hunger from
being painful when he first awake from his nap.

Then there are accidental crossings.
Could Alyce be one?
Was the barber one?
What about Bridget?
I'm sure the maybe of possibilities, but with looking at all episodes I just
can't recall.


Mary Lynn

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Date:    Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:36:23 -0700
From:    Stacy <theknightcallsmyname@y.......>
Subject: Looking for website owner

Hi.  I'm looking for the owner of the DarkNN website
https://members.tripod.com/%7EBranwenWolf/index.html

I tried a couple times in the past to find the owner on the DarkNN list, but
never heard anything back.  I'm interested in getting the site updated with new
stories.

Thanks!
Stacy


DarkNN'er, Faithful
theknightcallsmyname@y.......
http://www.geocities.com/theknightcallsmyname/index2.html
YIM: theknightcallsmyname
http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date:    Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:12:46 -0700
From:    Stacy <theknightcallsmyname@y.......>
Subject: website change

Hi everyone, sorry for crossposting.

For a long and complicated reason that I won't bore you with, the homepage for
my site has changed.  If you have my homepage bookmarked or linked to from your
site, please update it to:

http://www.geocities.com/theknightcallsmyname/index2.html

If you have any problems with the site, please let me know.

Thanks!
Stacy


DarkNN'er, Faithful
theknightcallsmyname@y.......
http://www.geocities.com/theknightcallsmyname/index2.html
YIM: theknightcallsmyname


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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:16:51 -0700
From:    Stacy <theknightcallsmyname@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

Just contributing my 2 cents...

I always thought that part of what the episode is about is that bringing someone
across intensified parts of their personality - like Richard's desire to see
justice done was intensified to the point that he killed those he believed were
guilty of a crime.

I had thought at one point that because Richard drank human blood, then Nick
must've given him human blood during his first hunger, otherwise Richard would've
desired animal blood.  But then I remembered <why> Richard was attacking
humans...

Also, isn't there a flashback of Vachon's where he and Screed and I don't know
who else were in a barn with a few ladies?  Assuming that they were not in
there just to inspect the animal buffet for Screed...would that mean that Screed
drank human blood on occasion?

Stacy

Michele C <mobody_62@y.......> wrote:
--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> Nick does not speak of carouche's fondly and I don't
> think he'd make Natalie's brother one. I've always
> just assumed that was human blood. I don't think
he'd want to > create a carouche.

This is what makes this episode really stink. Its so
not Nick. He should have stood up to Natalie and
helped her see some reason.

I kinda thought that he gave him cow and that is part
of what made Richard go crazy. Tho maybe a non-living
first meal is what did it.


DarkNN'er, Faithful
theknightcallsmyname@y.......
http://www.geocities.com/theknightcallsmyname/index2.html
YIM: theknightcallsmyname


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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:37:58 -0700
From:    Sherri <bloodroses_thorn@y.......>
Subject: Re: Janette after Toronto!

--- Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......> wrote:

> This past week, I spent a wonderful evening at 'The
> Raven'.  Did you ever wonder what happened to
>Janette after she left Toronto?  Well, I found her,
> she's bartending in Virginia Beach at 'The Raven'.

I LOVE The Raven.  When I first got turned on to
Forever Knight (... wow that was a long time ago) my
family took a vacation to Virginia Beach during an FK
marathon that Scifi was running.  I was a horrible
brat almost the entire time we were down there because
I had to miss it... the hotel room didn't get Sci-Fi!

The only positive thing I can remember about that trip
was when we were driving down the strip and passed The
Raven.  Our hotel was only a few blocks away, and I
made my family take me there twice before we left.
Too young to drink back then (yep, I'm a baby) I had
Shriley Temples... and I still remember how good their
fries were.  I still have a shirt from there,
actually... hanging on my wall as I've outgrown it.

So... to make a long story short... I highly recommend
anyone visiting Va Beach visit the Raven.  Especially
if you have a pissy teenage vampire-freak.

-Sherri-neko


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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:47:03 -0700
From:    Sherri <bloodroses_thorn@y.......>
Subject: Re: Best and Least Fav Eps

My top ten favourites, with commentary, of course
(wow... what a hard choice)... in no real order except
for number 1

   1. Sons of Belial (I always laugh when poor Nunkie
has to take Nick to the exorcist... how I love my
over-possessive general)
   2. Blind Faith (I know a lot of you didn't like
it... but I went by Raleigh for over a year because of
it.. and I gotta say this episode really sparked my
interest in the Sherlock Holmes books)
   3. For I Have Sinned (how hot is Kai [sorry...huge
Lexx fan] when he's dressed as a priest?)
   4. Cherry Blossoms (why does Nunkie always get
blamed for everything?)
   5. Feeding the Beast (hey... I'm a Dark Knightie as
well as a Cousin, what do you expect?)
   6. The Fix (Yay, crazy Nick!)
   7. Games Vampires Play (who knew Nick was a gamer?)
   8. Hearts of Darkness (I have a strange fascination
with anything dealing with DID)
   9. Ashes to Ashes (I hate Divia as much as everyone
else... but I loved the look into the life of The
General)
   10. If Looks Could Kill (reminds me of that old
movie.. Death Becomes Her)

Least favourite (this was alot easier), in no real
order except number 1
   1. Francesca (could that "woman" have gotten any
uglier?)
   2. My Boyfriend is a Vampire (although it was funny
to see my dear Dracula reduced to a Jerry Springer
host... does Canada really only have five actors?)
   3. The Human Factor (poor Janette... so close)
   4. Last Night (didn't happen... nope.  Never
happened)
   5. Fever (again... never happened.)
   6. 1966 (could that woman just please pick an
accent?)
   7. Dying for Fame (*snicker*  what was up with the
leather pants?)
   8. Stranger than Fiction (but I liked everyones
little vampire fantasies)
   9. Last Act (just... too whiny.  Even for Nick)
   10. Black Buddha pt I (I liked the end of this, and
of course the introduction of the sexiest spanish
vampire since Armand [and yes, I know Armand was a
little red headed child who was recreated to appeal
more to female viewers of that travesty of a movie...
but Antonio /is/ hot]... but I just couldn't handle
the death of Schanke)

Okay... back to the shadows I go.

=====
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-Torture is not what you do to someone, but what you have them do for you.

-Abuse is more than power, it is intimacy.

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:55:48 -0700
From:    Sherri <bloodroses_thorn@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

--- Sierra Mayberry <Bluefaeryknight@a.......> wrote:
> As for how to bring someone across, in the flashback
> in Bad Blood, LaCroix didn't give the barber his
>blood.


That reminded me of something.  I don't believe in the
FK canon you need to give vampire blood to someone to
bring them across.  In Blind Faith Nick goes to Screed
to see if he brought a dog across, and he jokes about
maybe not always "licking the plate clean", which gave
me the impression that you need to completely drain
someone in order to make them a vampire, meaning if
you don't take all the blood, or if you get
interrupted (by a fire, for instance) then that person
would become a vampire.

I may be remembering incorrectly, but I can hear
Screed in my head (is that bad) talking about it with
Nick... and more I think about it, the more likely I
think it is.

Although it is common in alot of vampire myths that
you need to share blood (Anne Rice's Vampire
Chronicles, for instance) it isn't always so, and I
think FK is probably just one of those cases.



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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:54:44 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Looking for website owner

I hope someone can help with this!!!!  I would love to see it updated.

Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com

on 8/26/04 11:36 AM, Stacy at theknightcallsmyname@y....... wrote:

> Hi.  I'm looking for the owner of the DarkNN website
I'm interested in getting the site updated with new stories.

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:16:25 -0700
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Question concerning Nick's location in May 1980

Hi Everyone,

Okay, here's a question that's been stumping me.
Does anyone know where Nick was in 1980?  I can't
figure this out from the show itself or from the
various timeline pages I've visited from around
the Internet.

My inclination is to put him and LC in Boston or
Chicago.

Thanks in advance, gang.

Sincerely,

David


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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:46:33 EDT
From:    KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: Question concerning Nick's location in May 1980

In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:39:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
dante0220@y....... writes:
Okay, here's a question that's been stumping me.Does anyone know where Nick
was in 1980?

It's sort of vague. We know he arrives in Toronto ~1988-89 (He tells Janette
that he's been 'in town' three years in DK1) and that he was in Chicago before
then. She makes reference to the "Dorian Gray" syndrome which makes me think
he's been there a while. We know he was there in the 50s and again in 1964-
1968 under a different identity. I suppose it's possible that he stayed there
20 years. It would be harder to hide the fact that he doesn't age while working
as a cop than as an owner of a bar (like Janette).

I think you wouldn't go wrong either way. He certainly could have gone
elsewhere for a while and then came back to Chicago.

karen

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:09:06 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Bringing Someone Across

In a message dated 8/27/04 9:02:16 PM Central Daylight Time, wirickml@g.......
writes:


> Then there are accidental crossings.

Screed also said, "Sometimes if you don't quite lick the platter clean...."
didn't he?

--Libs

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:12:25 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

In a message dated 8/27/04 9:10:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
theknightcallsmyname@y....... writes:


>  Assuming that they were not in there just to inspect the animal buffet for
> Screed...would that mean that Screed drank human blood on occasion?
>

Yes, but I got the sense that it was more of a sexual/sensual thing than just
a meal. He obviously likes his "vino" sometimes in a female human container <
g> He calls it "the only life for a man, being a vampire... no ball and chain"
or something like thats.

But he clearly states in other episodes that he is a carouche who craves rat
blood as that's what his first feed was. Greg Kramer said there was a bit that
wasn't filmed about Screed being on a ship going down at sea or something
like that when he was brought across (that is if I'm remembering right - it is
getting late here<g>)

--Libs

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:52:37 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

The actual text of said interview:
Lastly, there was a whole section of my text that
didn't make it into the final cut of 'Fever' that was
about Screed's ship going down and the time when he
was brought across ... info that he was TELLING
Vachon, I believe for the first time and no mention of
who his master was."
--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/27/04 9:10:41 PM Central
>  Greg Kramer
> said there was a bit that
> wasn't filmed about Screed being on a ship going
> down at sea or something
> like that when he was brought across (that is if I'm
> remembering right - it is
> getting late here<g>)
>
> --Libs
>


=====
http://www.fkvoyage.com/fkfanfic/fife_kristen/
"When a half-breed vampire becomes the object of Mafia revenge, the ensuing
power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
THAN WATER
"The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him."

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Date:    Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:42:54 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK,  Bringing Someone Across

Or maybe backwash?  If saliva can carry the vampire components (like it carries
many diseases in humans), simple carelessness or being inturrupted could result
in someone being brought across that way.

                   -Megan

Michele C <mobody_62@y.......> wrote:
They never said, but the barber seemed like the kind
of guy to bite back. So maybe that is how he got the
blood.


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:56:28 -0700
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@c.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?

> Its definately a Brit Bike, but not a Triumph.

This came up on the list a few years ago. I remember doing some research on
it at that time, but naturally I can't find it now. Forgive me while I try
to pull this from my shaky memory.

What got me started on it was that the motor in Nick's bike looked just like
my old '69 Triumph. You can't see the correct side of Nick's bike in the
clip where he's sitting on the floor of the loft bouncing a ball off the
wall. But there is another shot where he's sitting on the bike when it's
more towards the center of the loft. If you look at the crank case, it's an
inverted triangular shape. The Norton also has three rounded points, but the
lobes are more elongated. Clear as mud, right? Anyhoo, off my soapbox now.

--
Cloud
http://geocities.com/cloudworley/clouddancer

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:59:43 -0400
From:    Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Crossing over

Including FK, anyone being brought across MUST drink the vampires blood.
 They drink till the point of death, they feed to till the vampire feels
a drain.  The victim suffers and there dies.  They wake up as a vampire,
this myth has never changed.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......


He was brought across in1228
I was brought across in 1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
www.ForeverKnight.5u.com.

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:31:13 -0500
From:    Becky Hinson <bayoubecky@c.......>
Subject: Pompeii and Rome pics...

I would love to say I had been there, but a friend of mine went with her
hubby and these are the pics she put up online.  There's a pic of Chris
with Steve standing next to a column that has Vesuvias in the
background, and I couldn't help but wonder if that's about where a
certain General might have been.  ;-)

:)
~Cousin Becky

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:35:09 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Crossing over

In a message dated 8/28/04 5:22:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
fknight420@c....... writes:


>  The victim suffers and there dies.  They wake up as a vampire,
> this myth has never changed.

I've read several novels where the victim does NOT have to drink the vampire's
blood. Don't remember which ones, that point just sticks in my mind as
usually the victim does have to drink the vampire's blood. There's no 'rule' that
forbids anyone writing or creating vampires stories from straying from 'myths.'
There's also vampire myths in numerous cultures, and they all vary on some
points. There's one series of books by a romance author I've just read where the
vampire is always male and must be in love with the female victim to make her
eternal and more like him.

That said, didn't someone (maybe an FK writer or someone connected with the
show) once theorize that FK vampires have hollow teeth so in the process of
feeding, they are also injecting their victims with their own blood to bring
the victim across if it is so desired.

Plus, LaCroix apparently did not have Jack the Ripper drink from him
(although I suppose that if Jack turned around and attacked him immediately, he
may have bitten LaCroix back). Screed says the line about not "licking the
platter clean" resulting in accidents sometimes (refering to a carouche dog),
indicating it is possible to accidently bringing the "meal" across.

Fact is, I don't recall that it was ever said for certain one way or another
in FK, we can only go by hints in the dialogue and what we saw. Therefore,
there is no "set-in-stone" way Fk vampires are created, so the individual fan
can decide for him or herself, same with fan fic writers.

--Libs

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:36:35 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Subject: Re: Crossing over

--- Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......> wrote:
> Including FK, anyone being brought across MUST drink
> the vampires blood.
> this myth has never changed.


As I recall in Dark Shadows (and I think in some of
the Dracula movies I saw as a kid) one only had to be
bitten by the vampire to become one.  The point is
that vampires are NOT REAL and the associated myths
about them have changed over the years.  In the case
of FK, there were continuity probs but they seemed to
"borrow" alot from Anne Rice's particualr mythology.
Something they acknowledged in the Emily Weiss
episode.

But the truth is the show was fiction.  There were no
rules but the ones they made up for themselves.  They
didn't have to follow any particular rules because
vampires are not real and they can write the episodes
however they want.

MO

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:04:54 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Crossing over

No, Cheryl, this is not true.

I've watched almost every Vampire movie and TV show, and read a lot of
vampire books, including vampire=romance books.  The blood exchange is not
always necessary.  It depends on the writer. Today with so many vampire
books available, there are many different types of vampires, even ones that
can eat and walk in the sun. Again, it depends on the writer. This is the
wonderful thing about fiction, the writer can do whatever they wish.

Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com

on 8/28/04 5:59 AM, Cheryl P at fknight420@c....... wrote:

> Including FK, anyone being brought across MUST drink the vampires blood.

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Date:    Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:50:08 -0500
From:    "Stone, Barbara" <STONEB@g.......>
Subject: Blind Faith

It's been interesting reading the recent discussion concerning just how Jody
was brought across.  It's true that her eyes glow red without Nick seeming to
have done anything to help.  I suppose Perry could have ripped open his wrist
(do dogs have wrists?) with his teeth & offered her some of his own blood.
Or could he have injected some of his own blood through his hollow fangs (Parriott
said FK vampire fangs were hollow)?  Ah, but the title says it all, doesn't it?
Blind faith.  We must have blind faith that Perry could and did bring Jody across.

As for Nick helping out, I don't think he did, other than to refrain from
interfering, but I do wonder what he would have chosen to feed her. His own
blood would make her, in his eyes, a monster, but non-human blood would make her
a carouche and he looks down on carouches.  I think we have a writing/continuity
problem here.  Could there be a hierarchy of non-human blood?  Rat, bad; cow,
good?  Just what did he feed Richard?  I don't remember.  You would think that
Nick would look favorably on Screed because he tends to choose non-human victims.
Maybe drinking non-human blood is only virtuous if it is human blood that you
crave.  [Some philosophers do take the position that there is no virtue in doing
a good thing (not smoking, giving $ to the poor) if you are not tempted to do
its reverse (you have no urge to smoke, you have no urge to hoard your $].

B. Stone
stoneb@g.......

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