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FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Aug 2004 to 27 Aug 2004 - Special issue (#2004-234)
Fri, 27 Aug 2004
There are 37 messages totalling 1010 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. murry bites . . . (6)
2. Least Favorite Episode (8)
3. Least Fav Ep - Blind Faith (5)
4. FK, Bringing Someone Across
5. Thanks for setting me straight :)
6. QQ re "1969" (2)
7. Return to list and an announcement of FK Season 2 on DVD!
8. What kind of motorcycle did Nick have? (5)
9. Least Fav Ep (6)
10. Harp in catalog
11. Least Favourite Episode
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:08:58 -0700
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y......>
Subject: Re: murry bites . . .
Hi Everyone:
> Did Nick bring her over or Murry
>
Murray brought her across. Nick didn't get there
until the deed was done.
And she's a carouche (like Screed) since the dog
brought her over.
> But then I thought about it . . . .
> How weird would it be to have a dog as your
> Master/father?
> (Who's the master & who's the servent?)
>
Kind of like LaCroix and Divia, huh? <g> Now I
dare you to go remind him of who really is the
master in THAT relationship. <hehehehe>
Thanks
David
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:20:00 -0400
From: Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: Least Favorite Episode
I seem to be virtually alone in the opinion, but hands down, my "worst FK
episode" vote goes to "Blackwing." Which is odd, considering that Gillian Horvath
(a very nice lady whom I've met and done writers' panels with more than once)
also wrote most of my favorite episodes, including "Fever" and "Queen of Harps."
I think I dislike "Blackwing" because in it, Nick is uncharacteristically mean
and insensistive to Nat. It also always struck me as out of character for him
to so eagerly fall into the sack with a mortal babe (even if it was on some funky
"astral plane"). And then there are the First Nations/native guest actors who,
while they're nicely ethnically authentic and all that, er... can't act. Shrug.
I like "Blind Faith" despite the cheesy ending. My favorite part is Perry
romping through the weeds to put the bite on the bad guy, a scene in which the
viewer is treated to "doggie cam." (!!)
--Jean Graham
...whose FOREVER KNIGHT fiction archive is at
http://members.aol.com/JeanB7
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:25:58 -0400
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: murry bites . . .
David said:
**And she's a carouche (like Screed) since the dog
brought her over.**
That's not necessarily true. It is not who or what brings you over that makes
you a carouche, the only cannon we have says it is what your first feeding of
blood is from that makes you a carouche.
So, if her first feeding was from a human, she'd be a full vampire, not a
carouche.
Plus, the other two carouches we have seen were quite different from the other
vampires - Screed and the unnamed one in the bushes that LaCroix feeds in the
flashback. Carouches seem to be a bit more feral, or something. She seemed more
like an everyday vampire although it could be a gradual process.
--Libs
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:39:29 -0400
From: Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
Blackwing was on of my favorites. The reason Nick was so insenative was
what he leanred in the vision, from the girl. She took some of the demon
away and Nick wanted more of it gone but she died in the end. She did it
and Nat didn't. A human feeling on his part.
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:39:05 -0400
From: Brooksie <a11ebrook@a.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep - Blind Faith
I have two comments on "Blind Faith"
> From: Knight Ranger
> I always had a problem with Perry bringing Jody across.
> I mean, did she drink his blood in return? Or, like other
> characters did she just turn without sharing blood.
I thought that it would have been Nick who gave Jody her first feeding,
since it was my impression that Nick walked into her apartment right after
she first woke up. He could have given her a sip and then gone out to get
her more. But that leads to an interesting question - if Perry bit her and
then Nick gave her her first feeding would she be carouche or full vampire??
My second comment is that, in the show, the soundtrack had a lot of whining
for Perry. It drove my dog (who also happened to be a Goldern Retriever)
nuts. She would come over to me and look worried and uncomfortable. I
wonder what the soundtrack bites (sorry) were saying in "dog."
Julia B. (aka Brooksie) and Allie's Brook
Forever Knightie Crusader and War 11 Leader-in-Training
Les Chevaliers de la Nuit
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"And a screamin' fine ride [he] is, too!"
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:58:11 -0400
From: Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep - Blind Faith
On Forever Knight theroy and any vampire myth, in order for anyone to cross
over they must be biten and drink the blood of the vampire that bit them or
the master can take over. Janette brought Nick to LaCroix to bring him
across, she did not do the task. Perry attacked her, I don't see how she
came across. A Carcouche a lower form of vampire.
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:03:56 -0500
From: Lyn Palmer <wizkid2u@c.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
<<but hands down, my "worst FK episode" vote goes to "Blackwing." >>
I am with you 100% for just the same reasons! The characterizations
didn't ring true and it was painful to watch the guest actors deliver
those lines so ...woodenly. OY!
However, I gotta admit that Nicky-boy looked pretty hot in a few of
those scenes. Sadly,it still wasn't enough to save the episode from
awfulness.
As for my favorite, depends on the mood, but"Fever" and "Curiouser and
Curiouser" top my list consistently.
LYN
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Women are wiser than men because they know less and understand more."
- James Thurber
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:09:29 -0500
From: Kristin <kris1228@e.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
In "Blackwing" I don't think Nick is insensitive to Nat at all, more like
the opposite. It seems Nat always gets jealous when someone else comes close
to curing Nick instead of herself (such as Monica - Feeding the Beast). As
to his relationship with Marian, that shouldn't be held against Nick. They
had a special connection. Throughout the series Nick and Natalie are
portrayed mainly as "good friends" and Nat has encouraged Nick on several
occasions to go for "love" so to speak (such as Emily Weiss in Stranger than
Fiction). "Necks of the week" are pretty common in season 3 too especially
with Janette's absence. Anyways, I found "Blackwing" to be a very
interesting episode.
Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."
>>>Blackwing was on of my favorites. The reason Nick was so insenative was
what he leanred in the vision, from the girl. She took some of the demon
away and Nick wanted more of it gone but she died in the end. She did it
and Nat didn't. A human feeling on his part.
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:22:26 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep - Blind Faith
In a message dated 8/26/04 4:44:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
a11ebrook@a....... writes:
> - if Perry bit her and
> then Nick gave her her first feeding would she be carouche or full vampire??
>
I don't think it is which VAMPIRE you take blood from - but what you actually
feed from for nourishment. You wake up hungry, Screed says.
I've always used "first feeding" as human vs. animal, not vampire master from
whom you may take blood from to complete the transformation.
--Libby
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:20:35 -0700
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y......>
Subject: Re: murry bites . . .
Hi Libs and Everyone:
Quoting Libs:
>
> So, if her first feeding was from a human,
> she'd be a full vampire, not a carouche.
Good point and here's another question from that
episode. When Murray brings Jody across,
wouldn't he have needed to give her some of his
blood? That would have to affect her in some
way. And how would the human-animal link affect
both Jody and Murray? Interesting
speculation....
I do agree with Libs on the First Hunger--that
sets the vampire's choice of prey (human/animal).
As for the feral thing, I think it's a gradual
change (note: I don't say descent) into the feral
side. Along these lines, I believe that
werewolves supposedly evolved over time with each
full moon, becoming more feral as time went on.
Thanks
David
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:05:03 -0700
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y......>
Subject: Re: murry bites . . .
Just for future reference the dog's name in "Blind
Faith" was Perry (not Murray).
Knight Ranger
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:09:47 -0700
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
I have that problem too. Alison Bingeman, wrote my
favorite episode, "Feeding the Beast" and she also
wrote my least favorite episode, "Avenging Angel".
Goes to show you the range of individual writers.
Knight Ranger
--- Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......> wrote:
> Which is odd, considering that Gillian Horvath...
also wrote most of my favorite episodes, including
"Fever" and "Queen of Harps."
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:14:49 -0700
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep - Blind Faith
I wasn't refering to her first feeding as a vampire.
I was refering to her crossover conversion. When Nick
comes in to the apartment, she has already crossed
over and is a vampire.
Does that mean she drank Perry's blood? Or was it
Vampire Immaculate Conception?
Knight Ranger
--- Brooksie <a11ebrook@a.......> wrote:
> I thought that it would have been Nick who gave Jody
her first feeding, since it was my impression that
Nick walked into her apartment right after she first
woke up.
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:20:16 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
You know, I forgot about that one. Probably because I've never seen the whole
thing-- I got about halfway through it once, decided it was too terrible for
words, and fast forwarded to the next ep.
-Megan
Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......> wrote:
I seem to be virtually alone in the opinion, but hands down, my "worst FK
episode" vote goes to "Blackwing."
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:47:19 -0700
From: Michele C <mobody_62@y......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
--- Kristin <kris1228@e.......> wrote:
> It seems Nat always gets jealous when someone else
comes close to curing Nick instead of herself
>
I don't think this is the case at all. Not one of my
favorite episodes but... I don't think Nat is jealous
that someone else will cure Nick. I think that Nat,
being a scientist who actually cares about the well
being of her patient, is trying to point out to Nick
that there are no "quick fixes" to his condition. He
should know that given his past failures but he seems
to disregard her treatments and suggestions and always
seems to go for the snake oil salesman with promises
of a miracle cure. So like a man. As for Feeding the
Beast, Nat didn't discourage him from doing 12-step
but to try it with caution (I have never really
understood why he totally abandoned that course
because it seemed to be helping him) As for Marian,
she didn't "cure" him, she took away his guilt
(something I might add, he should have been able to do
on his own) He remained a vampire.
Mo
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:06:56 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep - Blind Faith
In a message dated 8/26/04 6:32:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
knightranger1228@y...... writes:
> Does that mean she drank Perry's blood? Or was it
> Vampire Immaculate Conception?
Or was there blood in the apartment... or maybe she ate the UPS man ;-D Or
maybe the first hunger didn't hit her immediately, at least until after Nick
arrived. Because of his looking down on Screed for being a carouche, I have a
feeling although he wouldn't let her attack a human, he'd provide her with
bottles of human blood.
Of course this is another inconsistancy<g>
--Libs
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:11:02 -0700
From: Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y......>
Subject: Re: murry bites . . .
--- "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y......> wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> > Did Nick bring her over or Murry
> >
> Murray brought her across. Nick didn't get there
> until the deed was done.
*Ahem* The dog's name was *Perry*, not Murray.
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:56:54 -0400
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: FK, Bringing Someone Across
What about when Nick brought Richard across. Maybe it's been too long since
I've seen that episode, but my memory has Nick biting Richard, then when
Richard wakes in the loft, Nick gave him a bottle. Am I wrong? And I agree,
FK was not consistent. The writers really did some loops, and there are
several episodes that Nick is acting totally NON-Nick, and so are other
characters.
Deb
DeborahAHymon.com
on 8/26/04 5:58 PM, Cheryl P at fknight420@c....... wrote:
On Forever Knight theroy and any vampire myth, in order for anyone to cross
> over they must be biten and drink the blood of the vampire that bit them or
> the master can take over.
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:58:50 -0400
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Episode
Lyn, I totally agree with you. I hated Blackwing, and for the same reason.
It was like Nick was not Nick.
Deb
DeborahAHymon.com
on 8/26/04 6:03 PM, Lyn Palmer at wizkid2u@c....... wrote:
> <<but hands down, my "worst FK episode" vote goes to "Blackwing." >>
> I am with you 100% for just the same reasons! The characterizations
> didn't ring true
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:54:13 -0700
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y......>
Subject: Thanks for setting me straight :)
Hi Everyone:
Thanks to everyone for the reminders... :)
I really should know Perry's name since I really
do like that eppie. <sigh...hitting myself in
the head and hearing hollow wood echoing there >
I did finally remember his mistress' name was
Jody but that took some memory searching.
Yes, I think a FK-thon is in the works for me
very very soon.....
Actually, that aside, I'm really enjoying this
discussion!
Thanks everyone!
Sincerely,
David
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:43:06 -0700
From: Steve <nexus_dragon@y......>
Subject: QQ re "1969"
Does anyone remember off the top of their head what
name Nick was using in 1969 while working for Chicago PD?
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:52:47 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: QQ re "1969"
> Steve wrote:
> Does anyone remember off the top of their head what
> name Nick was using in 1969 while working for Chicago PD?
He was Constable Nicholas Knight.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:10:13 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Return to list and an announcement of FK Season 2 on DVD!
> Katherine DeVries wrote:
> Is there a fanfic in that? Wasn't Don Polish? If so, there
> might be a lovely fic in there about epiphanies on Epiphany, with secrets
> revealed and some light comedy mixed in. If there already exists such a tale,
> please enlighten me as to it's whereabouts and I will toddle off and read it.
I don't think there's a fic out there that deals with this, but it is
a good idea! it would be a great Christmas story.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:30:34 -0700
From: Go Me! <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: murry bites . . .
DLPH <DLPH@c.......> wrote:
>When I first saw that ep I was a little confused too
>Did Nick bring her over or Murry?
I think the dog's name was Perry. And it was the dog that brought her over.
There is a scene where the dog's eyes go red and he bares his teeth at her.
That's when it happened. At this point in the series, I don't think Nick
wanted to bring anyone across.
>How weird would it be to have a dog as your Master/father?
>(Who's the master & who's the servent?)
Ah, but that describes any Guide Dog's relationship with his blind person.
These dogs are very intelligent with a drive to lead rather than follow.
They are trained to make decisions; they are taught how and when to disobey
their master's commands. It's a very interesting relationship not suited to
every person or every dog. Partners are carefully selected, personalities
are matched, and both must be trained in how to work together.
>But if nothing else, that would garentee
>she has the most loyal dog EVER!
You mean FOREVER! LOL!
Bonnie
Cousinly-Receptionist-(hopefully soon to be)-In-Training-(no more)
Hmm, warmongering for personal gain. What a unique concept!
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:01:21 -0700
From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
you know, the one he never rode? :)
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power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:08:14 -0300
From: T <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
Norton, I believe
--
LapLor
tfloyd@n.......
"The person sitting next to you is weirder than you can possibly imagine."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forever Kristen Fife
> Subject: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
>
> you know, the one he never rode? :)
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:15:08 -0600
From: kimmer <kimmertom@m.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
Subject: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
> you know, the one he never rode? :)
i think it was an old triumph
kimmer
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:16:06 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep
>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:42:52 -0700
>From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
>
>Let me think.... it would probably be one I don't watch very
>often... I have to consult an ep list...
>How about ...
>Blind Faith
Noooo! The doggie episode?!! How can anyone not like the doggie episode?
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:20:16 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep
>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:44:46 -0700
>From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y......>
>
>I'll ammend my original "Avenging Angel" and add
>"Outside the Lines".
Oooh, there are some priceless moments in "Outside the Lines." Like the
scene where the bad guy's in the phone booth, and Nick shows up.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Moderator - cotk-fk list
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:26:16 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:39:22 +0200
>From: CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
>
>1) The Fire Inside
I'm just gonna keep being ornery here. I am one of the few people that
really likes "The Fire Inside." I just find it real compelling. Everybody
else gets bored with all this walking around underground, I guess, but I'm
glued to the screen.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Moderator - cotk-fk list
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:35:32 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:31:49 -0400
>From: DarkPNinja@a.......
>I always liked Blind Faith very much. I thought it was quite unique and
>original.
Exactly. There ya' go. Besides, Perry is so cute. Here, doggie,
doggie. Nice doggie. Come here... errr... maybe you'd better back up a bit.
>Personally I hated "Ashes to Ashes". It was when everything just got
>completely depressing and had a hopeless feeling and I started thinking
>that the entire cast could benefit from a prescription for anti-depressants ;)
I felt exactly the opposite. Nick and LaCroix were actually getting
along. Since they had to end the show, I'd have liked them to end it right
there.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Moderator - cotk-fk list
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:37:53 -0700
From: Megan MacLean <xena_goddess_of_war_99@y......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep
> > I would like to find out what everyone's least
> favorite episodes
> are?
Mine are:
Curiouser and Curiouser
Dead Air
Amateur Night
Crazy Love
1966
Megan MacLean
~Don't taff with me- I'm running out of places to hide
the bodies
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:38:18 -0700
From: Cloud <clouddancer@c.......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
> you know, the one he never rode? :)
Positively a Triumph.
Cloud
Work like you don't need the money.
Love like you've never been hurt.
Dance like nobody's watching.
Sing like nobody's listening.
Live like it's paradise on Earth.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:40:46 EDT
From: Sierra Mayberry <Bluefaeryknight@a.......>
Subject: Harp in catalog
I use to buy from the Pyramid Collection, and for those who don't know, they
have a website. The harp is on it, just do a search for harp on their site.
it's: http://www.pyramidcollection.com
~Sierra
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:56:13 -0500
From: Kristin <kris1228@e.......>
Subject: Re: Least Fav Ep
Crazy Love?! Ahhh...how can anyone not love this episode? LOL... All the
lovely N/J romance *plus* dark Nicholas flashbacks...mmmm...
Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."
>>
Mine are:
Curiouser and Curiouser
Dead Air
Amateur Night
Crazy Love
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:10:53 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Least Favourite Episode
One thing that strikes me, especially looking at the lists of least
favourites, is that there are basically two quite different reasons why
people dislike an episode. First, you have those that are essentially
no more than hack writing, transferring to FK melodramatic cop plots and
adding a bit of vampire superpower of the worst sort. You know what I
mean: Nick flying to the rescue, ripping the door off a car, and
snarling fang-face at the guy he's arresting. Episodes like that have
no character development, and minor (if not downright inaccurate)
historical scenes. That would seem to cover "Dead Air" and "Spin
Doctor" from Season One; "Capital Offence", "The Code", "Amateur Night",
and "The Fire Inside" from Season Two; and "Jane Doe" from Season Three.
Such episodes have nothing positive to offer; but their offensives are
negative too: they are, so to speak, *passively* bad.
Then you have those episodes that offend against the series.
*Actively* bad. But here you have dissent, since they may actually have
bits that people love intermingled with the bad stuff. "Blind Faith" is
a classic example. I like Perry the seeing eye dog to Tracy's old
friend. I loathe Perry the vampire dog that brings his mistress across.
I could seriously do without the Hound of the Baskervilles connection;
but I like the idea that a dog bitten by a vampire turns rogue. Get the
point? How you feel about it all depends on the relative strength of
your reaction to each of the good/bad sides of the episode.
Now the episode *I* hate the most is "Last Knight". But maybe not for
the reason you think. Of course, if the show had to end, I wish they
hadn't killed everyone off. But the truth? The whole series had a
tragic air to it. A tragic ending is appropriate. I don't even mind
the basic story concept: it's a horribly consistent development in N &
N's relationship, given Nick's past propensities.
But it's a really, really badly written episode from a technical
perspective. The writers were trying to have it all. Everyone dies
(but there's an out, 'cause we don't actually see Nick staked); everyone
dies (but it isn't *really* a tragedy, because the final scene has the
sunrise, which symbolizes a positive outcome, maybe that they're
together in the afterlife). Nick's a suicide, which by his religion
means he's damned for despair (but he killed himself by proxy, so maybe
that doesn't count). Nick's killed Natalie, murdered once again (but
it's okay because her love redeems him, so he'll go to heaven after
all). Someone obviously thought all this was a peach of an idea; but
*I* notice more than a little fuzz on their thinking.
Besides, the first time I watched it, I guessed how it was going to
end at the beginning of Act Two. Even before Natalie started to work on
Nick, I guessed what would happen. The only bit I didn't guess was
LaCroix's involvement as proxy in the suicide. What's more, as soon as
the guy grabbed the gun in the squad room I guessed Tracy would get
killed too. They were tugging too hard at the heartstrings: seemed
more like puppet strings. I sat through to the end in stunned
disbelief. Surely, I thought, there has to be some plot twist coming?
But no. They really were *that* obvious.
My second-least favourite is "Let No Man Tear Asunder". Again, it's
very badly written. The plot depends on a quite ridiculous number of
coincidences to make it work.
Greer
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:22:27 -0700
From: Michele C <mobody_62@y......>
Subject: Re: What kind of motorcycle did Nick have?
--- Cloud <clouddancer@c.......> wrote:
> > you know, the one he never rode? :)
>
> Positively a Triumph.
>
I have always heard it was a Norton Commando, tho
lately on another board someone made a good case for
it being a Norton Atlas. (photo comparison) Its
definately a Brit Bike, but not a Triumph.
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