Home Page How I Found Forever Knight Forkni-L Archives Main Page Forkni-L Earlier Years
My Forever Knight Fanfiction Links E-Mail Me

FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 6 Nov 2003 to 7 Nov 2003 (#2003-26)

Fri, 7 Nov 2003

There are 34 messages totalling 973 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Crosses (5)
  2. Link of the gods (3)
  3. Extreme Trivia
  4. DVD(not FK)The Breed (2)
  5. FK Moment (5)
  6. FK DVDs
  7. Another YKYBWTMFK...
  8. Canadian SS#'s (6)
  9. 1-800-Missing
 10. help?
 11. Blooper in "Dying to Know You"?
 12. Today's Birthday: November 7
 13. Justifiable SIN, was RE: Canadian SS#'s (4)
 14. Canadian SS#, US SSN#'s
 15. help? (French)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:12:42 -0800
From:    Viv <viv11374@y......>
Subject: Re: Crosses

--- Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y......> wrote:
>  You must faith for
> the cross to work but the jewish star has no power over them,
> only the christian/catholic cross, and stay safe.
>

What, Christians have faith and Jews don't?
Or, in FK mythos, Jewish symbols aren't also symbols of the light
like Chirstian and Pagan ones are?

=====
Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:33:40 -0500
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Link of the gods

THere is no linking directly from another site to pages that are NOT the
main page of a web site at fortunecity.  You have to to go to the main
page and click on the link there.  So go to

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/wildbunch/241/

THEN click on the

FAQ link, scroll down,  then click on the myths link.

>Is there anther way to get to this maybe?
>
>well i clicked the link and got it for about 30 seconds however the day of the
first post i clicked and saved it so if anyone cannot get it email me off list
and i will be happy to send it to you .
>

Steph

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:38:33 -0500
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Extreme Trivia

I had to send this again.  Why, when replying to an email, does the
email sometimes go to the list and other times go to the one who posted
the email????

When Merlin had to create his identity, he made his birthday Jan 1,
1958.  When they asked Nick when he was born he replied 1957.  Then the
said the computer files said Jan 1, 1958.  He said he got confused
because it was the New Year.

>> Hm. Didn't Nick later claim, when Larry Merlin had to
>> create his identity in the computers, to have been born in
>> 1957? His ID indicates it was '59!
>> (Better get your stories straight, Nick!
>>

Steph

Angela Gottfred wrote:

>Oops, sent this just to Mary by mistake.
>
>
>
>>BTW, does Canada have "Social Security numbers" or is this another
>>Statesism mistake?
>>
>>
>We don't have Social Security numbers, we have SIN (Social Insurance
>Numbers) instead. In Canada, SS# would have to stand for something else.
>(I didn't even know SS# might be short for Social Security number.) And
>a police ID would not have a SIN number on it--it is primarily used for
>payroll, benefits, investments, and so on.
>
>SS. Hmmm. Shooting Score? Social Services?
>
>I was able to read Nick's police record off the screen at the end of the
>ep with Larry Merlin for the first time with the DVD version. It was
>cool to note that Nick had at least three commendations for bravery--and
>probably more on the next screen(s) of info, which the audience didn't
>see.
>
>Your very humble & most obedient servant,
>Ligeia
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:29:17 +1100
From:    Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: Re: DVD(not FK)The Breed

> I think it depends on where the legend is coming from. Different areas had
> different defences against the dark. I know that vampire legends vary
> greatly from russia to Japan to eastern europe.
>
One of my favourites is the use of roses as a defence against vampires - it
certainly would add a twist to Nick and Nat's romantic relationship!

Christine.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:49:51 +1300
From:    Kylie Tucker <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: Re: Crosses

> >  You must faith for
> > the cross to work but the jewish star has no power over them,
> > only the christian/catholic cross, and stay safe.

Actually I agree with Viv on this one. In FK they make it
clear(blackwing,AtA,darknight? etc) that ANY religious symbol effects
vampires and I believe that most depictions of vampires follow this thread.

>What, Christians have faith and Jews don't?
>Or, in FK mythos, Jewish symbols aren't also symbols of the light
>like Chirstian and Pagan ones are?

However I would go a step further and say that its not just 'religious'
symbols and artifacts that effect them but 'spiritual' ones.  It could be
said that religion is fuelled by man, and spirituality is fuelled by god,
gods, the thread that connects all of man and the world we live in,
regardless of the religion we, as individuals and collectives, choose to
symbolize our spirituality.

ciao,
Kylie.

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:03:48 -0800
From:    Go Me! <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: Link of the gods

At 05:00 PM 11/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Debbie <clanmom@t.......> wrote:
>> http://lavender.fortunecity.com/wildbunch/241/fk/listmyth.txt
>
>Is there anther way to get to this maybe?

Yes, there is.  In order to "better" serve their clients, Fortune City does
not permit linking except from another Fortune City page, which is the most
counterproductive bit of "logic" I've run across in a while.  Hello!  The
point of the web is to be able to LINK to pages, you friggin' morons!  It
would be like you not being able to call your mom because she has Sprint and
you have AT&T.

So, if you want this page...

Type in this URL:
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/wildbunch/241/

And THEN type in this URL:
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/wildbunch/241/fk/listmyth.txt

That will create an internal reference that will satisfy the restrictions;
at least, it worked when I tried it this way.

Bonnie
cousinly receptionist in training.
callalily@l.......

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:23:51 -0600
From:    Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>
Subject: Re: Link of the gods

> From:    preston kim <strawbearylover3@y......>
> Subject: Re: Link of the gods
>
> http://lavender.fortunecity.com/wildbunch/241/fk/listmyth.txt
>
> Is there anther way to get to this maybe?

Through a bit of HTML finagling, I was able to download a copy of this and
upload it to my server space.

This is only temporary.  Get it, while you can, at this link.  I'll be
taking it down within the week.

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~mdx14514/fknight/listmyth.txt

Working The Knight Shift,
Roman

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:34:47 -0800
From:    preston kim <strawbearylover3@y......>
Subject: Re: Crosses

I think i will add fuel for thought on this religious symbol thread as i am
finding it quite interesting .

i have to wonder what effect candles and fire used in religious context would
have on a vampire

for instance

i believe white witches use all manner of candles in thier practice and thier
motto is to do no harm  this to me is just as important  icon in thier beliefs
as a cross is to christianity, and i believe in christianity candles are used
for many things  ie during advent for lutherns, to honor the dead for catholics i
am sure there are more and please feel free to add on to them.

one of the most beautiful things i have ever seen is something from the jewish
faith and to me is a symbol of faith. It is called havdallah (i hope i spelled
this right) it ends the shabbos and uses a candle and spices. it is a ritual of
light.

I have to wonder these may not be religious mainstream artifacts but i think it
says a lot about fire and the connotations it holds for vampires. it is well
known fire can kill vampires as we see in ATA LC waits as the fire destroys diva
so he can spread her ashes.

i believe that it is the faith behind the article not the religion that was the
power .and thus it would seem to me if there is faith of any kind it would be
effective . just my two cents

kim


------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:53:37 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: FK Moment

Remember when the list was talking last week about the show "Tru Calling"
and how this week she was going to fall for the guy who 'woke up' on
the slab... his name is NICK!!!!!!! and he's a firefighter.  (hey
it's close to a policeman)
I love it!
-Amanda

=====
"Give me your soul and your heart will take flight
Forevermore in the night, Forever MINE in the night"
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
http://debrabantfoundation.tripod.com/home.html

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:56:38 -0800
From:    J L Kerr <jlkerr1228@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

From: "Laura Davies" <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:18 PM

>
> Another tangent here, but I was wondering... Vampires
> can't go into Catholic churches because of the cross
> and "holy" items, but does that stand for other bits
> of Christianity as well?

Watch "For I Have Sinned." Nick spends the day in a Catholic church.

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:05:15 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

In a message dated 11/6/2003 8:54:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
debrabant_foundation@y...... writes:
and how this week she was going to fall for the guy who 'woke up' on
the slab... his name is NICK!!!!!!! and he's a firefighter.  (hey
it's close to a policeman)
Hmm.. this could be a new chapter of how to pick up chicks:  Die, wake up on
slab, fall in love with first morgue babe you see.

Wonder if my local morgue has openings..

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:30:22 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

> Watch "For I Have Sinned." Nick spends the day in a
> Catholic church.

<grumble> I haven't managed to watch the whole series
yet--I was always in class before I discovered the
joys of taping, and when I was gonna start from the
beginning, the Sci-fi channel pulled it.  :P That's
one of the episodes that I missed...

Laura

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:35:53 -0700
From:    Debbie <clanmom@t.......>
Subject: FK DVDs

To anyone that has not yet gotten their FK Dvds...


I just found them on the Columbia House Canada  website!!!!!!!!!  And
for only $67.46!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce,
bounce.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <g>
I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy!  I was giving up all
chance to find them without having to pay over $100!



Bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce,


Hugs all,
Debbie

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:10:03 -0800
From:    Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: DVD(not FK)The Breed

Well, that would be an interesting fanfic... anyone?

Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......> wrote:
One of my favourites is the use of roses as a defence against vampires - it
certainly would add a twist to Nick and Nat's romantic relationship!

Christine.

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:57:36 -0800
From:    Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

I'm curious, if ALL religious artifacts (whatever denomination it happens to
be) have that effect on vampires, how is it that Vachon can stay at the church?
Even if it was decommissioned, the stained glass and the faith behind the images
would still be there. He should have been effected by them right? If it was
just a matter of the faith behind the symbol the stations of the cross and the
stain glass alone should have driven him crazy or at the very least very
uncomfortable, I would think. I've always been curious about that


Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......> wrote:
> Watch "For I Have Sinned." Nick spends the day in a
> Catholic church.

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:07:36 -0500
From:    mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Crosses

Cheryl wrote:
> >  You must faith for the cross to work
>> but the jewish star has no power over them,
And Viv replied:
> What, Christians have faith and Jews don't?
> Or, in FK mythos, Jewish symbols aren't also symbols of the light

In FK mythos, Jewish symbols definitely *are* symbols of the light--that's
why Nick was shown reacting to the menorah. That scene was in the script
for a reason.

There is nothing in *FK* canon about faith being required for the cross to
work. We see vampires using crosses against each other, including a cross
made by holding two pieces of trashed wood together.

I can only recall seeing two films where use of the Star of David as a
defense against vampires or demons came up. It's true that one of those
films shows the Star of David being useless against vampires--but it's a
set up for a pretty lame wisecrack, in a movie that's absolutely chock full
of lame wisecracks--George Hamilton's over-the-top comedy "Love at First
Bite."  Richard Benjamin's hapless psychiatrist (a descendant of Van
Helsing) melodramatically thrusts his hand into his foe's face. Hamilton's
Count cowers, then peers over the edge of his cape, grins, stands up and
makes a crack about Benjamin's character needing to settle down with a nice
Jewish girl. Benjamin looks at the Star of David in his hand and mutters,
"Oh, it's the other one, isn't it." Ba-dum-dum.

On the other hand, in Gene Roddenberry's 1977 TV film "Spectre," Gig Young
plays Dr. Ham Hamilton, physician and right-hand-man to demon-fighter
William Sebastian, played by Robert Culp. (The movie was clearly intended
as a pilot.) As they prepare for the final battle, Young's character points
to the Star of David he carries (I believe on his watch fob) as the
equivalent of the cross with which Sebastian has armed himself, and the
writer's intent is clearly for this to be recognized as equivalent.

Mary
N&Npacker

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:19:40 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Another YKYBWTMFK...

I was looking on amazon.com for a book on forensic pathology (not
studying it, I am just interested) to go with the book I am reading
on Crime Scene Investigation..
And I come across a book entitled "Knight's Forensic Pathology"  No
joke, really, go look!  It is by a guy named Bernard Knight.  I
thought the title was awesome!
Too bad it is really expensive ($225!) or I'd buy it just to have.
-Amanda

=====
"Give me your soul and your heart will take flight
Forevermore in the night, Forever MINE in the night"
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
http://debrabantfoundation.tripod.com/home.html

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:47:45 -0500
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Canadian SS#'s

Canadians don't have Social Security numbers, but it's called something
else. I think it's an identification number or something.

 I had a Canadian friend relocate here in Ohio; officials gave him hell
because he didn't have a SS#, neither did the rest of the family.  The kids
had a hard time enrolling in school, until the immigration officials helped
out.  They were here on a work visa.

on 11/6/03 12:38 PM, mary combs at combsm@e....... wrote:

>
> BTW, does Canada have "Social Security numbers" or is this another
> Statesism mistake?
>
> Mary

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:19:19 +0100
From:    Doris Weiss <lucilla@c.......>
Subject: Re: 1-800-Missing

Just a question from across the Big Pond:

Would anyone be willing to tape this for me? Of course I'd reimburse them
for tape and shipping.

Please contact me offlist.
Doris

lucilla@c.......


------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:18:57 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: help?

Help, please?

Anybody out there speak some french who can tell me
how to write something, please?  My normal avenues for
getting translations are closed right now, because my
french teacher friends are swamped with classwork.

Please contact me off list.

Thanks!

Laura

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:56:01 -0800
From:    "~little red fox~" <red@s.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian SS#'s

We have a Social Insurance Number... or for short a SIN.  >;)

Amy

> Canadians don't have Social Security numbers, but it's called something
> else. I think it's an identification number or something.
________________________________________________________
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:27:29 -0700
From:    Debbie <clanmom@t.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian SS#'s

Yup, they're called SIN numbers, and they're Social Insurance numbers.  You
have to have one if you want to work.  You can get them at any age, just
need parental permission if you're under 15.  As far as I understand it,
they're pretty much the same thing.  Of course, I could be wrong. <g>

Cheers,
Debbie


> Canadians don't have Social Security numbers, but it's called something
> else. I think it's an identification number or something.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:59:27 -0500
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian SS#'s

Yes, but the social insurance number can NOT be used here in the states.

I have a Canadian friend who is working in the US; he had to get a social
security number. I believe his kids didn't get one, but are somehow covered
by his. If they should seek employment, even to work part time, they must
have their own.

I was surprised at how handicapped one was without the social security
number. I had to have his telephone service turned on in my name, because
they wouldn't take his word that he'd been assigned a ss#, they had to see
his card, and that didn't arrive for two weeks. Once they were able to photo
copy his card, they allowed him to transfer the phone from my name to his.
He also couldn't open a bank account until he had a ss#. There were many
other things that he couldn't do, including apply for a driver's license.

I'm still very curious that if Nick was working, then why didn't his badge
have a SIN # ?

 on 11/7/03 10:27 AM, Debbie at clanmom@t....... wrote:

they're Social Insurance numbers.As far as I understand it,
> they're pretty much the same thing.  Of course, I could be wrong. <g>

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:05:29 -0500
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Blooper in "Dying to Know You"?

I noticed that as well.  What I found incredible is that    I have seen that
episode  I don't know how many times and  this was the first time I  even
noticed  the discrepancy.   As Sherlock Holmes told Dr. Watson when he
couldn't tell him how many steps there were up to their apartment  "You see
but you do not observe."

Has anyone noticed the blooper in The Code.

As you recall at the beginning after  the nun crashes into him  Schanke
complains bitterly that he hates winter.   The camera now pans away
revealing  a  vista of  green grass and lush green leaves on the trees.  Now
  occasionaly  we do have   open winters  with little or no snow,   but the
grass is no longer  a rich green and won't be that again until end of April
if we are lucky and early May.  and  there  are most decidedly  no  leaves
left on the trees   (they're usually all  gone by 11 Nov.)   this  episode
was supposed to take place  in December/ January  (the sun setting at 4:50).

Debbie Clarke

Debbie Clarke


>From: Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>

>
>I never noticed before that Hedges' wife's cause of death is contradictory
>in this episode. When Schanke calls Nick, he clearly says, "They cut her
>throat, man," followed by a shot of the body with a lot of blood on the
>white clothing.>Later, over the woman's corpse in Nat's lab, Nick says,
>"She was asphyxiated, right?" and Nat nods yes.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:21:21 -0600
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday: November 7

Hi Y'all!

Today is the birthday of:       Kristin                 kris1228@e.......
                                Cindy (married to Robin)  niteluvr@s.......
                                Robin (married to Cindy)  RNFaut@s.......

You can send birthday greetings to Kristin, Cindy and Robin at the above
e-mail addresses. Please NOT to the list!

People who share birthdays on this date include:
Billy Graham, Evangelist
Joni Mitchell, Folk Performer
Johnny Rivers, Rock & Roll Performer
 Albert Camus, Novelist

Significant events on this date:
1805, American explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark sighted the
Pacific Ocean.
1885, the Canadian Pacific Railway was completed.
1893, Colorado became the first state to give women the right to vote.
1965, "Poppin' Fresh" the PILLSBURY doughboy debuts in TV commercials.

I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Kristin, Cindy and Robin!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed) and e-mail address to me,
privately, eowyn3@j....... and I'll be glad to add you.

Terri
eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List
She can be taught!  But only in little bytes!

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:31:16 +0000
From:    Tracy Gooding <t.gooding@u.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian SS#'s

Quoting Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>:

> I'm still very curious that if Nick was working, then why didn't his badge
> have a SIN # ?

Perhaps an earlier ep should have been entitled 'For I have SINned' which means
Nick was working without the proper paperwork...

Sorry.

Tracy

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:06:26 -0500
From:    mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Crosses

Vikki wrote--
> How is it that Vachon can stay at the church? Even if it was
> decommissioned, <snip> the stations of the cross and the stain glass alone
> should have driven him crazy or at the very least very uncomfortable

Vachon doesn't live in the nave--if he did, the windows would certainly
bother him, from the sunlight coming through them during the day, if
nothing else. At night, any images that might be in the church windows
would be invisible. Without sunlight or a very strong array of artificial
lights shining through it, stained glass is just a dark panel.  In any
case, we don't see him hanging about upstairs.

Unlike vampires in  many other stories, FK vamps are not utterly destroyed
by religious symbols. The symbol of the sun god confined Divia, it didn't
turn her to ash. FK vamps can fight against the effects--remember Nick and
Tran both clutching the cross with smoking hands and each declaring that he
would not let the pain turn him aside from his mission. We see Nick (at his
most deliciously evil, IMHO) with Joan in either a church or in a chapel in
a gothic building, able to withstand any discomfort created by the large
cross behind him. His hand bursts into flame when he reaches out to touch
it, but he is not consumed by the fire.

It's a more useful approach for storytelling, because in fact if just
getting close to a cross made them go "poof" or turn into a quivering mass
of fear and loathing, vampires would hardly have survived the Middle Ages.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:54:50 -0500
From:    mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Canadian SS#'s

Quoting Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>:
>  I'm still very curious that if Nick was working, then why didn't his badge
>  have a SIN # ?
Tracy replied:
> Perhaps an earlier ep should have been entitled 'For I have SINned' which means
> Nick was working without the proper paperwork...

ROTFL. Hmmm. Is it possible Nick's carrying a fake ID and he put the wrong
info on it? He'd been in the States (in Chicago), after all.

But seriously, I'd be curious to know if the reason Props left the number
off the ID is because you can't fake a Social Security number. They use the
555 exchange for telephones, so there's no chance of using someone's real
number. I doubt if there's a similar "safe" set of digits for SS#.

Mary
N&Npack

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:09:48 -0400
From:    T <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Justifiable SIN, was RE: Canadian SS#'s

> -----Original Message-----
> Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
> > I'm still very curious that if Nick was working, then why didn't his
> badge have a SIN # ?

I think it's safe to assume that Nick's badge having a space for SS# needs
more cheese than Screed's secret rat farm.  It is absolutely required for
earning and reporting income but other than wages, the authorized uses for
our SINs are actually quite limited.  An employer could never require that
staff confess their SINs to the general public by putting them on id.  In
fact, they must go to great effort and expense to keep them confidential.

Many of us don't even carry the cards with us, since they're among the
hardest pieces of identification to replace if lost/stolen.  I may, perhaps,
be excessively over-cautious but I keep mine in a safe at someone else's
house.

I found out how different SIN is from SS a year or so ago when I was taking
calls at work for an American financial institution. I was shocked and
astounded at how often people would rhyme off their SS# without even having
been asked. Banks in Canada are required to ask for the SIN, but people can
often provide some alternative identification (something easier for
Aristotle to arrange, perhaps).  Nobody ever volunteers it!

More SINful information: http://www.privcom.gc.ca/fs-fi/02_05_d_02_e.asp

LapLor

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:40:53 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Justifiable SIN, was RE: Canadian SS#'s

I lost my SIN card about 20 years ago. I haven't needed it since,
because I memorized my number. I worked in the payroll department of a
large company 10 years ago, and we never even asked for the SIN cards of
new employees, unless the SIN numbers turned out to be wrong (there's a
simple way to check a SIN number to see if it's a genuine one). And
Laplor's right, that's the only piece of ID that I have which had my SIN
on it; even my firearms license does not have my SIN; quite different
from the SS#.

So, as I wrote in my earlier reply, SS must stand for something else, a
number particular to the Toronto Police Department perhaps? Let's
see-shooting score? Self serve? Subway station? Or, in Canada, perhaps
it's bilingual--station/station #, perhaps.

Pass the soft Swiss cheese, please.

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:41:43 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Canadian SS#, US SSN#'s

In a message dated 11/7/03 1:50:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
combsm@e....... writes:

> But seriously, I'd be curious to know if the reason Props left the number
> off the ID is because you can't fake a Social Security number. They use the
> 555 exchange for telephones, so there's no chance of using someone's real
> number. I doubt if there's a similar "safe" set of digits for SS#.

There are certain numbers that are never used in the Social security, the
first 3 digits of a SSN can NEVER be 000, 111, 333, 888 or 999 or any number
between 769 and 999. There are also numbers that are assigned to Alien Taxpayers
that begin with 9 but cannot be used for employment. If you were to hire
someone whose SSN begins with 9 there are hefty fines for the employer. There
are also tax Id numbers that are assigned to Alien Workers, but I am not sure
which number that begins with. Each state also has a range of assigned numbers,
so if you know the first 3 digits of the SSN , you can determine which state
that number was isssued in.

Michele

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:54:55 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: help? (French)

> Anybody out there speak some french who can tell me
> how to write something, please?

You might want to try fanfic_language@y.......:

groups.yahoo.com/groups/fanfic_language

They have links at their site for online dictionaries, and also both native and
2nd-language speakers of a number of languages (including, I believe, French).

It's a great resource, much like the other fanfic_foo lists (fanfic_med,
fanfic_law, fanfic_history, fanfic_geography, fanfic_science, fanfic_supernatural,
fanfic_military, etc.)

Amy

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:10:49 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Justifiable SIN, was RE: Canadian SS#'s

Angela Gottfried wrote:

> I lost my SIN card about 20 years ago. I haven't needed it since,
> because I memorized my number. I worked in the payroll department of a
> large company 10 years ago, and we never even asked for the SIN cards of
> new employees, unless the SIN numbers turned out to be wrong

I've never had an employer ask to see my social security number. I, too,
memorized my number long ago. I do have my card (obtained when I was in third
grade, and the signiture on it is laughably, obviously that of a kid).

When I was writing hospital accounting documentation (talk about booooooring!
<g>) I often had to dummy up patient ID info for screen shots. I always used
obviously fake SSNs, like 123-45-6789, that went well with the fake phone numbers
(612-555-1234) and the fake patient names (Nicholas Knight often checked into
Fairview Hospital...<g>).

> So, as I wrote in my earlier reply, SS must stand for something else, a
> number particular to the Toronto Police Department perhaps? Let's
> see-shooting score? Self serve? Subway station? Or, in Canada, perhaps
> it's bilingual--station/station #, perhaps.

Souvlaki Sandwich? Oh, wait, that's Schanke's ID card...<g>

> Pass the soft Swiss cheese, please.

I'll take a nice chunk of extra, extra sharp Canadian cheddar, please.

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:39:11 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Justifiable SIN, was RE: Canadian SS#'s

Laplor wrote:
> I found out how different SIN is from SS a year or so ago when I was taking
> calls at work for an American financial institution. I was shocked and
> astounded at how often people would rhyme off their SS# without even having
> been asked.

Amazing, isn't it? I'm somewhat amused by the occasional uproars we have here
about issuing national ID cards. People get all bent out of shape because that
is seen as the first step towards Big Brother controlling our every movement. In
reality, though, the SSN *is* our national ID. You use it to identify yourself
for all sorts of financial dealings and transactions, to get jobs, insurance,
and so on. In theory you can refuse to give it out except for tax purposes, but
I've never met anyone who did that.

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

------------------------------

End of FORKNI-L Digest - 6 Nov 2003 to 7 Nov 2003 (#2003-26)
************************************************************



Previous digest Back to November's list Next digest






Parchment background created by Melissa Snell and may be found at http://historymedren.about.com/