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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Oct 2003 to 13 Oct 2003 (#2003-291)

Mon, 13 Oct 2003

There are 28 messages totalling 743 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. New yahoo group
  2. Crusader Halloween Fiction Contest reminder (2)
  3. writers site
  4. cool FK thing on ebay
  5. Paging...
  6. Pondering (11)
  7. Counting down!
  8. Fallen CD (3)
  9. DVD question (4)
 10. FK moment
 11. FK Moment
 12. pondering

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Date:    Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:27:45 -0700
From:    Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight1228@y......>
Subject: New yahoo group

Hello, I have created a group for all to enjoy and learn.  And yes it's a
dedication to FK as well.
VampiresLair@y.......
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight1228@y......


He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in 1992
I will always be his Forever Knight


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Date:    Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:32:51 EDT
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: Crusader Halloween Fiction Contest reminder

Posted with Lisa's permission :)
Hi everyone,
As you might have read a week or so ago, Our fiction contest is now underway.
We have had three responses but we want lots more!! Everyone on the lists are
so talented i know you can all come up with lots of great storys to enter
with.

Here's the premise: write an FK story with a Halloween theme. The
story can be serious, humorous, or scary, whatever you wish. Send the
story to Susan Field (SField8067@a.......) for publication on the Crusader
website.
http://www.nancykam.com/crusader/

We will ask readers to vote for their favorite story. The winner will
receive a pumpkin of Halloween goodies,chock-full of candy and lots of extra
surprises to make Halloween fun. In addition, the winner will receive an award
certificate.

The deadline for submitting stories is October 21 (coincidentally, the
date the FK DVDs are being released). Submitted stories will be
published on he website by October 23, with voting open at that time.
Voting will close on October 31. The lucky winner will receive her or
his festive Halloween basket soon after!

So, all you writers out there---limber up your fingers, warm up those
keyboards, and start writing!

The Crusader Editorial Staff

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Date:    Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:37:05 -0700
From:    Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight1228@y......>
Subject: Re: Crusader Halloween Fiction Contest reminder

Just to be safe.  My daughter was taking to the hospital yesterday.  Did you
receive four parts of the story?  Thanks and Stay safe.

SField8067@a....... wrote:Posted with Lisa's permission :)
Hi everyone,
As you might have read a week or so ago, Our fiction contest is now underway.
We have had three responses but we want lots more!! Everyone on the lists are
so talented i know you can all come up with lots of great storys to enter
with.

Here's the premise: write an FK story with a Halloween theme. The
story can be serious, humorous, or scary, whatever you wish. Send the
story to Susan Field (SField8067@a.......) for publication on the Crusader
website.
http://www.nancykam.com/crusader/

We will ask readers to vote for their favorite story. The winner will
receive a pumpkin of Halloween goodies,chock-full of candy and lots of extra
surprises to make Halloween fun. In addition, the winner will receive an award
certificate.

The deadline for submitting stories is October 21 (coincidentally, the
date the FK DVDs are being released). Submitted stories will be
published on he website by October 23, with voting open at that time.
Voting will close on October 31. The lucky winner will receive her or
his festive Halloween basket soon after!

So, all you writers out there---limber up your fingers, warm up those
keyboards, and start writing!

The Crusader Editorial Staff


He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in 1992
I will always be his Forever Knight

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Date:    Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:54:27 -0400
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: writers site

To keep this post on-topic, maybe some place like this helped Emily Weiss
(AnneRice-like author in STF) to improve her writing during her early career.

Since so many forkni listmembers are talented writers, some of you might
be interested in a new site for Romance writers:
          http://romance.onlinewritingworkshop.com/

It's set up as a kind of members-only workshop to help people who want to
improve their writing so that their stories or novels can be sold to pro
publishers.  The site is free to use temporarily (until either they
can get enough people or they give up on the failed project). The same
company has established a similar workshop for scifi/fantasy which
already is a success (though modestly priced, the scifi/fantasy one
is free for the first month only). Both sites (workshops) function the
same way.

Members post their stories or novel chapters to a password protected
(members only) website for feedback from the other members.  Authors
retain the copyright to their own work.  In order to post items for
feedback you need to provide feedback to other members. (You get one
submission first, then you need to do several reviews of other member's
writing before you can post again.)

They do have several different categories of romance, including suspense,
historical, erotica, scifi/fantasy, etc. as both chapters of novels and
short stories, though most posted so far have been chapters of novels.

One downside for FK fans is that the workshop has a rule specifing NO FAN
FICTION allowed!  (I'm sure that's for legal reasons since they are trying
to help the members sell their work and we all know that you cannot do
that with fan fiction). However, I thought that this workshop still might
be of interest to some of you.

I've been a member of the romance workshop for several months now and I can
honestly recommend it. I think that the feedback that I've received
for my short stories has been well worth the effort.  And the only motive
that I have for posting here about them is that I want the
romance workshop to continue.

Arletta Asbury
g4akl@c.......

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Date:    Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:46:04 EDT
From:    Questinc@a.......
Subject: cool FK thing on ebay

Hi-
I was surfing Ebay and found this item that i thought was really neat:

<A
HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564317278&category=201&rd=1">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564317278&category=201&
rd=1</A>

SOmetimes a cool FK thing shows up on Ebay that deserves notice.
One thing I also saw was that the CERK logo I did YEARS ago and copyrighted
is still being used by fans! YAY!  Thanks!  That old CERK shirt logo is still
alive in fandom!  You guys are the greatest and I'm SO GLAD the DVDs are coming
out!  My VHS copies of the show are so old and worn that the quality is
really dubious.

Can't wait until they ship!

Ron the Enforcer
STILL lurking after ALL these years!
PS - I'm moving to Texas in 1 week!
Any FK people inthe Dallas/Fort Worth area gimme a holler off-list!
Questinc@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:18:33 EDT
From:    Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: Paging...

Hello all.   I am paging Gary Woodward.  If you know his current e-mail addy
please contact me offlist at DORY12485@a........  Thank you for your time.
-Dory/CDH
Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness there is life, along that path is
immortality.

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:05:12 -0400
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

At 05:19 AM 10/4/2003 -0700, Laurie wrote:
>This subject line got *me* pondering, just picturing
>LaCroix as a closet 'Pinky and the Brain" fan. <g>
>

No. No!  As this post http://www.charm.net/~g4akl/wak1.txt
from fkwar #8 (rift in space/time continium war) written by
Kevin Matsumoto and Casey Carpenter CLEARLY shows, LC
now HATES Pinky and the brain.   :)


Arletta
(forgive the late reply, *sigh* -- I have such a reading backlog)

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:22:59 -0400
From:    "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>
Subject: Counting down!

I was just calling someone about an apointment next week and realized that next
tuesday is the 21st!  Woo hoo I can't wait.  I have already put 'dibs' on the
living room tv with the stereo surround sound for the week.  When they announced
FK would be coming out on DVD on 10/21 it seemed so far away, but here it is!

-Amanda

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:51:00 -0400
From:    "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>
Subject: Fallen CD

I was just catching up on some fiction and I have noticed that several people,
including myself, have been inspired by the CD 'Fallen' by Evanescence.
Thinking about this, I have thought that just about all of the songs on the album can
be fit into FK. Some of the similarities are uncanny -  I wonder if they are
aware of the show.
I have thought about writing to them a couple of times to ask, but I am not
sure what to say.
I am just curious if anyone else who has this CD has noticed this.

-Amanda
debrabant_foundation@y......

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:25:17 -0700
From:    Megan MacLean <xena_goddess_of_war_99@y......>
Subject: Re: Fallen CD

--- "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>
wrote:
> I was just catching up on some fiction and I have
> noticed that several people, including myself, have
> been inspired by the CD 'Fallen' by Evanescence.
> I am just curious if anyone else who has this CD has
> noticed this.



Hey there. Yeah, I agee with you. I got the CD a
couple weeks ago and I noticed basically the same
thing. As I was listening, I thought, 'Dang, these
songs could really work for FK'.

Megan MacLean



============
"A good friend will help you move, a really good
friend will help you move a body, and a really,
really good friend will help you dispose of it."
============

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:28:20 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceye@e.......>
Subject: DVD question

When Harry Potter book 5 came out, if you had pre-ordered it, it was
shipped so that it arrived at your house on the day it came out.

Will the FK CDs arrive at my house on Tuesday? Or, will they ship on
Tuesday, and I have to wait another week to 10 days (or in my case, a
month or so) before the post office actually delivers them?

--
Emily Lacey
laceye@e.......

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:36:25 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceye@e.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

Protia wrote:
>I wonder what must have been going through the mind of the person on
>the other end of the line! <snip>  I always get distracted by the
>fact that no one closes doors on tv or in the movies.

Hmmm. I always wonder when (and where) they use the bathroom,
although that's not so much a question on FK. I also wonder about
little things, like taking out the trash, checking the mail, doing
the laundry, dusting and vacuuming, etc. I think FK pretty much did
away with cooking, eating and cleaning up from meals, but then,
Natalie and other non-vampires must have to. Then, there's always
shopping--for clothes, shoes, books, music, etc. They can't do ALL of
it on the internet...
--
Emily Lacey
laceye@e.......

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:36:24 -0400
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: DVD question

In a message dated 10/13/2003 1:28:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
laceye@e....... writes:

> Will the FK CDs arrive at my house on Tuesday? Or, will they ship on
> Tuesday, and I have to wait another week to 10 days (or in
> my case, a
> month or so) before the post office actually delivers them?

Harry Potter was a very special case. Amazon was trying to keep people from
going to midnight parties at physical stores by promising to save them the hassel,
but still get the book just as soon.

I seriously doubt this is going to happen with Forever Knight as the same-day
or overnight shipping costs is very costly.  However, i find that shipping
usually just takes a few days, not the longer times they usually quote.

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:39:55 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: DVD question

> Will the FK CDs arrive at my house on Tuesday? Or, will they ship on
> Tuesday
Beats me, but amazon.ca is saying that I should receive it Oct. 23-27.
And it looks like amazon.ca is honouring the old, low price. :-)

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:05:35 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

> Portia wrote:
> >I wonder what must have been going through the mind of the person on
> >the other end of the line! <snip>  I always get distracted by the
> >fact that no one closes doors on tv or in the movies.

I've always wondered why characters keep their outer coats on so often. In FK,
you'll see Nick go into the station and keep on his woolen overcoat---normal
reaction is to take off your coat as soon as you're inside (if you're staying
inside, that is). This happens on other shows, too. What's with it---too much
trouble to keep taking it off and putting it on for multiple takes? Cold studio?
Hiding that midriff bulge?

Other things you won't see---cruising around looking for a parking place (the
convenient parking on TV is called "the Kojak Effect", so-called because on
Kojak, they never had to hunt for a parking spot, despite being in Manhattan during
business hours). Bathroom breaks, runs in pantyhose, sore feet, getting lost
trying to find obscure addresses, grocery shopping, cutting the lawn, filling up
the gas tank, I could go on and on!

In my next fanfic Nick is definitely going to be caught vacuuming and doing
laundry. <g>

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:27:54 EDT
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

In a message dated 10/13/03 1:36:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
laceye@e....... writes:

> the laundry, dusting and vacuuming, etc. I think FK pretty much did
> away with cooking, eating and cleaning up from meals, but then,
> Natalie and other non-vampires must have to.

Ah.. these are age old questions, but it goes back to westerns, where
writers/directors assumed people knew that the hero took time to reload his gun
somewhere during the gunfight even if they didnt show it. Or the tactic of knocking
out a guy and taking his uniform to infiltrate whatever enemy camp (answered
so amusingly by Indiana Jones in Raiders when the uniform didnt fit.  Or never
locking car doors, or front doors for that matter.  But my biggest pet peeve
with television shows is when they make a phone call-they never say goodbye,
they just say whatever, and then hang up.. How Rude!

But I would guess that Vampires of great resources, such as Nick would have
personal shoppers do that stuff for them, but in a 42 min show.. who has time
to go to the bathroom.

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:10:09 EDT
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

In a message dated 10/13/03 2:06:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nancykam@c....... writes:

> In my next fanfic Nick is definitely going to be caught vacuuming and doing
> laundry. <g>
>

I sense a fanfic challenge in the making here.. How many peevey things can
you put in one story??

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:17:16 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

Michele wrote:

> Ah.. these are age old questions, but it goes back to westerns, where
> writers/directors assumed people knew that the hero took time to reload his
> gun somewhere during the gunfight even if they didnt show it.

HA! That brings up my pet peeve in Westerns---everyone gallops their horses all
the time. Yeah, it's dramatic to depart the corral at a dead gallop, but give
the poor horses a break! I'm pretty sure that the west was won at a walk, or at
the most, a gentle jog trot.

Nancy Kaminski
who would never, ever, gallop her horse all over creation---after all, I pay
the vet bills!

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:19:14 -0700
From:    Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

Nat *does* go to the store in Only the Lonely. 'Course, that's a plot
point, because she meets Richard the Rapist there, so it might not
count.

--
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky           luckyliz@c.......
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz
Who is Will? And why is everyone firing at him?

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:38:07 -0500
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

> Hmmm. I always wonder when (and where) they use the bathroom,
> although that's not so much a question on FK. I also wonder about
> little things, like taking out the trash, checking the mail, doing
> the laundry, dusting and vacuuming, etc..

In TV & movies there are always things like this that don't make sence
& its the same reason that Bugs Bunny is upside-down when he Digs to china
& Whily Coyte can run off the cliff without falling . . .

                       MAGIC    (Also known a Cartoon Psyics)

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:47:17 -0500
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: FK moment

I was flipping through the paper
& found an ad for some musicial called  "Forever Plaid"
(It's actually a musical about the music of the 50's)

I had this weird image of Nick & LC
wandering around in these plaid suits


Weird

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:47:21 -0700
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

At least the vampires on FK are a bit more careful
with ther, um, business, than the Immortals on
Highlander LOL. The vamps have places like The Raven
to feed at and Enforcers to take care of any messes
that do occur. The Immies did have Watchers to clean
up the mess most of the time, but why didn't anyone
ever notice the large amount of, um, 'unexplained
electrical activity' (Quickenings)?

And either the police are dumb, or just not giving a
darn about all the cars they must see with swords in
them. Guess that's where the antique dealer cover
comes in LOL.

And I noticed on GWD's other series, Tracker, that
except for a few eps, there's not much mention made of
how they got rid of the bodies after the life force
was extracted. And I know they couldn't have kept
using Mel's walk-in freezer all the time LOL.

Back to FK...how do people not notice things like Nick
flying? Just because it's dark and they don't look up
much? I guess the people they can whammy, they whammy,
and if they can't the enforcers get them.

Mel

=====
The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain
NNPacker, Natpacker, Knight of the Cross, Knightie /Duncan flag waver, Tessa
flag waver
Highlander-FK-Buffyverse http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highlander-fk-Buffyverse
See what happens when worlds collide!

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:00:40 +0200
From:    Lucilla <lucilla@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

> Portia wrote:
> >I wonder what must have been going through the mind of the person on
> >the other end of the line! <snip>

I don't know why they took it out but the OTL script actually has Grace on
the other line of the phone and you were supposed to hear her saying
(after Natalie got distracted by Nick waking up):

Grace's voice (thru phone):

That's the guy, alright. They had to scrape him of the street ...
Nat? .... Natalie?


I wonder what Nat told Grace the other morning and how she explained the
missing body afterwards (I mean there were legions of people who knew
about the 'bomb victim')?

Doris

--
"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table" - Uncle
---
http://www.come-undone.net

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:07:52 +0200
From:    Lucilla <lucilla@c.......>
Subject: Re: Fallen CD

Zitat von "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>:

> I was just catching up on some fiction and I have noticed that several
> people, including myself, have been inspired by the CD 'Fallen' by
> Evanescence. ... I am just curious if anyone else who has this CD has
> noticed this.

I could write character based stories for most of these songs. The
similarities between lyrics and story lines are uncanny.
I noticed that about another group too, it's Finnish 'Goth'pop band The
Rasmus (CD is called 'In the Shadows'). Actually one could make a musical
for FK just from their lyrics.
Strange.


Doris

--
"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table" - Uncle
---
http://www.come-undone.net

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:15:07 -0700
From:    "jerezfino@y......" <jerezfino@y......>
Subject: Re: DVD question

--- Emily Lacey <laceye@e.......> wrote:
> Will the FK CDs arrive at my house on Tuesday? Or,
> will they ship on Tuesday, and I have to wait
> another week to 10 days

It depends on who you ordered from and when they
receive copies of the discs to ship out. Some stores
ship so that customers have the DVDs on the release
date and others ship them out on the day they're
released. For example, I received my copies of Lion
King from Disney 3 days before the official Oct. 7th
release date. However, I ordered the FK DVDs from
Amazon.com who, in the past, has generally shipped out
my order on the release date and I've received them
2-3 days later. If they receive the shipment of discs
early, they may possibly ship out on Monday. For those
folks who ordered from Amazon, the FK DVDs will most
likely arrive on Thursday or Friday of next week.

:) Boomer


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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:25:18 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Pondering

> in Westerns---everyone gallops their horses all the time.
And a "charge" on horseback is mostly conducted at a walk, so that the
cavalry formation doesn't  break up. But in movies? Always at the
gallop!

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:40:10 -0700
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

I had this weird image of Nick & LC
wandering around in these plaid suits


When I read your post, I thought of something else
first-Kilts...I know, they're not Scottish...it's
gotta be the Highlander obsession <G>. Hm...they've
both got the body for it, but frankly, I don't think
kilts and flying go well together.

It can't be easy being a Scottish vampmire...LOL.

BTW, McLisa, sorry about my sig...it only reads three
lines in the sig file, but Yahoo does wierd things to
it. It looked like it was over...don't know if it's
corrected since I played with it or not.

Mel

=====
The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain
NNPacker, Natpacker, Knight of the Cross, Knightie /Duncan flag waver, Tessa
flag waver
Highlander-FK-Buffyverse group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highlander-fk-Buffyverse


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Date:    Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:52:19 -0700
From:    Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight1228@y......>
Subject: pondering

Hello friends.  I was reading and wondering about Nick.  I remember an episode
where he wore a very long shirt and no pants.  With the long blonde hair and
fangs ready for a feast.  Enough said, hot flash.  But Nick did have a kilt on, I
forget at the moment what show.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight1228@y......


He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in 1992
I will always be his Forever Knight


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