FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 13 Mar 2003 to 14 Mar 2003 - Special issue (#2003-76)
Fri, 14 Mar 2003
There are 39 messages totalling 1023 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Human Factor stuff (2)
2. FK moment and question (4)
3. New Ger movies
4. More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of (12)
5. Plump Vamps
6. vampire physiology (10)
7. How Would You Have Ended It? (4)
8. Re: Re:MoreVampirePhysiology-somewhatrisque..sortof?
9. Avenging Angel (3)
10. Re: Re:_More_Vampire_Physiology?-somewhat_risque..sort_of?
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:33:39 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Human Factor stuff
>From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
>
> Just one question: Wouldn't Nick and LC have felt
>the connection break when she became mortal?
>
I agree LC and Nick should have felt something but consider what they had
been going through at about the time Janette must have become mortal.
First Nick was shot and got amnesia, then he got possessed by a devil or
vice versa then there was the fever which literally decimated the
vampire community in Toronto. Maybe it is just possible that LaCroix and
Nick were so caught up in their own lives and problems that they didn't
take in the loss of their connection with Janette
Debbie Clarke
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:37:30 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
--- Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......> wrote:
> On the other hand, he may have actually taken that
class at... whatever university he claimed to have
gone to. Just for laughs, to see how people veiwed
his time.
# This semester I'm sitting in on a class at San
Francisco State University. Its called, "The High
Middle Ages, 1000-1500". It covers all the good stuff
like the Crusades, the Hundred Years War, the Black
Death, and the Great Famine. And the great thing
about it is that I'm just listening to the lectures.
I am doing the readings and taking part in the class
discussions, but, no papers and no tests. I never
want to do that again. Check out the syllabus and
schedule. Here is the addy:
http://sfsu.edu/~jarbel/courses/his331/hme.htm
Knight Ranger
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:06:28 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: New Ger movies
I just pre-ordered some of Ger's movies on DVD and
VHS.
ALIEN TRACKER (a compilation of TRACKER episodes) is
scheduled for release on March 18th.
HYBERCUBE: CUBE 2 is scheduled for release on April
15th. It is scheduled to air on Sci-Fi before this
release date.
Knight Ranger
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BLACK HARBOUR Lobster Yacht Lot/Harbour Light ** -- GAIRWOLFpack -- **
GerII/Bridging/Indecency/Swindon98/NNP98/GerIV/Tucson99/Wolfville99/Wolfville01/GerVI/NNP02/Stratford02(MFL/DNGG)
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:35:34 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
The one thing I wonder about is how would a vamp, er,
do anything with a mortal if you get my drift? I mean,
doesn't there have to be blood pumping through the
body for anything to work? Or does the blood they feed
on take care of that?
Of course, they'd probably be too busy making out vamp
style to do much else....so maybe it's a moot point.
(I really hope I haven't broken any rules here.....it
*is* an over 18 list, isn't it? Sorry if I have done a
no-no though)
Mel
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:10:23 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Plump Vamps
It's weird. Being made a vampire is supposed to make you more glamorous---
even heal any mortal diseases--- yet there was at least one vamp who wasn't
exactly male model material. Or maybe that part of the vampire mutation
came to being AFTER poor Aristotle was made one?
Now, please don't send me nasty emails, Aristotle fans! I like him too!
lol!
:)= Kyer
Dpheil wrote:> > Have you ever seen a fat vampire??? or are the fatter,
slower ones taken down by the others?
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:25:29 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
Fur? I thought this was all... Cheese.
:)= (this sign blank as Kyer is running like heck)
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. K. Kraft" <cat@e.......>
> Keeping the Fur Flying ==
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:12:51 +1030
From: jennii35 <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
<<< but he does have a fully-equipped bathroom>>>
he also had a kitchen, it was probably
to make his home more mortal like lol
Dot
Dark Knightie and UFer
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 05:53:18 +0100
From: Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
So my suggestion:
Why not take that armor thing and make it an official
story challenge? Could be interesting what people come
up with.
Then the bathroom thing:
IMO Nick had the bathroom installed by some mortal
company I guess and at least I would have found it
rather unusual if someone had said to me:
Do me a really nice bathroom but you can leave the
toilet because I never use it.
Doris
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:24:32 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
Julia wrote:
> <<I'm pretty sure I'm alone in thinking that the way the
> series ended was appropriate to both the premise of the series (hero
> questing for noble but impossible goal) and the realities of the corporate
> shenanigans with FK.>>
You're not alone, as you've found out by now. I'm in agreement---I
find LK a very satisfying ending to this tale of a tragic hero. I
would have liked a more gradual downward spiral into despair leading
up to this ending, but even so, I thought LK was wonderfully
presented. It felt right and inevitable.
And while it's nice to think that he and Nat are together, either in
life or death, I prefer the ambiguous ending. I personally think they
all died, but it could have gone so many different directions. Despite
the confusion and scrambling on the set with that last script they did
a great job.
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:13:44 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
--- Since were on the subject....
1. How is it we see Nick's hair long in some
flashbacks and short in others? If he cut it after he
was brought over, wouldn't it stay that way since he
was dead? And the mustache in Father Figure...that's
the only place he had one, right? Though he does look
like he has a bit of stubble sometimes. How's that
possible?
2. Does anyone think the FK vamps have the problem
with free flowing water like some literary vamps? I'd
think Nick could handle a shower or rain because it's
not free-flowing. But what if he ended up in the lake
or something like a pond or even a large swimming pool
while chasing a suspect or something like that?
Mel
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:25:21 -0800
From: "~Red~" <red@s.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
Nancy Kaminski wrote:
> You're not alone, as you've found out by now. I'm in agreement---I
> find LK a very satisfying ending to this tale of a tragic hero.
Wow, I don't recall so much agreement when I first lerked on this list
shortly after the end of the show. I guess time does heal all (most?)
wounds. I agree that they did an excellent job with what they were given,
but I wish the end hadn't come so suddenly. I still remember the shock I
felt the first time I saw LK, and saying outloud "That's IT?!?"
For me "nobody dies, nobody ever dies" ;)
Amy
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:54:51 -0800
From: E McCann <salems.human@c.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
At 10:13 PM 3/13/2003, FKMel typed thusly:
>--- Since were on the subject....
>
>1. How is it we see Nick's hair long in some
>flashbacks and short in others?
Fic Magic. Or hair fairies....
>2. Does anyone think the FK vamps have the problem
>with free flowing water like some literary vamps?
First, for the snipped part, I don't think a lake, pond, or swimming pool
could be considered "Free flowing" - I believe it's more directed towards
rivers, streams, etc. Nick's shown on the ocean, after all (Black buddha,)
on the titanic...
Second, no, I don't think they have problems with it anyway. Vampire
writers pick and choose from whatever sources they like. If they'd wanted
to, they could have a suspect find out Nick's a vampire and throw seeds at
him as he's running, and Nick would have to stop and count them (as a
f'rinstance.) He doesn't have the 'bloated corpse' look, either..
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:55:01 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
>FKMel wrote:
>1. How is it we see Nick's hair long in some
>flashbacks and short in others?
Haven't got a good answer for that given the "fast cell regeneration" that
the FK vamps are supposed to have. Err...He and Lacroix are obviously more
particular about appearance than Vachon?
>2. Does anyone think the FK vamps have the problem
>with free flowing water like some literary vamps? >
I like the way April French has it in her "Sons of Lilith" fanfic series
where water is a problem only for the Lilim and not the other FK vamps.
Looking forward to the weekend,
Ell
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:32:32 -0800
From: Patty Costantino <pas_20197@y.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
Nancy Kaminski wrote:
> You're not alone, as you've found out by now. I'm in agreement---I
> find LK a very satisfying ending to this tale of a tragic hero.
*I too must say that I'm satisfied with the ending and the premise that Nick
came full circle losing his faith in the beginning and regaining it at the end.
Loved all the LC monologues. Very nicely scripted. And when an episode reduces
me to a blubbering pool of tears, which this one did, moving me so much with its
poignancy, IMO, it's a tribute to a great ending and fine episode.
A lover of a great tragedy, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet or another tale of woe.
Patty, N&Npacker, Knightie
http://www.geocities.com/pas_20197/homepage08.html
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:41:06 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
No offense but dead is dead. They satisfy that need by feeding on each
other. Impossible to do it with a mortal. Sorry. Stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:39:29 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
--- jennii35 <jennii35@i.......> wrote:
> <<< but he does have a fully-equipped bathroom>>>
>
>he also had a kitchen, it was probably to make his home more mortal like
Well, unless he had it built from an empty loft, it probably came
that way. Most homes (and apartments) do come with a working kitchen
and bathroom regardless of whether the person living there needs or
wants them. ;)
-Amanda
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:47:38 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
vampires can alter there looks and there hair can grow at will. stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:21:33 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
In a message dated 3/14/03 5:39:08 AM Central Standard Time,
paffoman@c....... writes:
<< No offense but dead is dead. They satisfy that need by feeding on each
other. Impossible to do it with a mortal. >>
But are FK vampires REALLY dead? I don't think so. There's the retrovirus
thingee. They do become theoritically "immortal," but I don't think they are
truly dead in the sense of we know dead.
They have to be able to "do it" like humans at least some of the time. I
haven't seen this episode in a while, but what about where Nick mistook the
woman's pleas to have a baby as being brought across. Seems to me she'd have
noticed what he wasn't doing earlier.
Libs
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:25:54 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
In a message dated 3/14/03 5:45:30 AM Central Standard Time,
paffoman@c....... writes:
<< vampires can alter there looks and there hair can grow at will. >>
"At will?" That was never mentioned in the FK universe. Maybe in some vampire
stories. As for altering their looks, they actually can do that to a lesser
extent than humans in the FK 'verse. They can't have a tattoo that lasts, so
I'm assuming plastic surgery also wouldn' t "take" before healing back to
what it originally was.
I just think in the case of FK Vampires, the hair doesn't stop growing (at
least in most cases). It was never said in the show that it did or didn't,
but the visual evidence is that is that case (Nick's hair). LaCroix may have
just always prefered his short and kept it that way (or his hair doesn't DARE
grow<g>). Screed could have been bald for other reasons, or maybe that is the
norm for a carouche.
Libs
Libratsie@a.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:47:58 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
They have no temperture, no pulse, no heartbeat. They don't eat or drink to
survive. They feed to kill the hunger or die the worst death. They are
pale, can't face the sun, daylight, God, garlic and they can not reproduce
our way. They multiply by feeding and bringing them across. However,
Nick's case is unusual. He has a reflection, some feeling in his nerves,
doesn't need to feed like other vampires, but he is still one of them,
regardless. Stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:49:24 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
Nick is an unusual vampire, he's stuck in between the two worlds, so he may
have or maintained things that even Lacroix can't change. Stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:50:33 -0500
From: Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
Oh, in the FK universe they most certainly can do it with a mortal... Its
just very difficult because of the tenacious need to bite! A lot of vamps
have to learn to control that need, such as Jeanette (eventually turning her
human).. And I beleive LaCroix had suggested that it was merely Nicks
control factor that kept Nick from being able to (as in his wife from long
ago, and then Natalie)
I get the feeling LC was more then able to do it with a human if he chose...
And FK vamps, I dont believe are truely dead... They are extremely
regenerative, due to the virus they have. But they arent dead dead like say
a zombie.
-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
Paffoman
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:41 AM
No offense but dead is dead. They satisfy that need by feeding on each
other. Impossible to do it with a mortal. Sorry. Stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:56:10 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
In a message dated 3/14/03 6:46:25 AM Central Standard Time,
paffoman@c....... writes:
<< However,
Nick's case is unusual. He has a reflection,>>
SOMETIMES. Most of the times he does not... In fact, did we ever see his
reflection? I only recall a little of that episode, but didn't he just say he
could "almost" see his reflection sometime?
some feeling in his nerves,>>
As do other vampires. LaCroix once said "ouch" when Nick hurt him.
doesn't need to feed like other vampires>>
Oh, yes he does. He has to have blood, he just doesn't take it fresh. Why
else would his fridge be full of blood? I doubt he used all that for
painting. He had blood sometimes in the Raven. Where did you get the idea he
doesn't feed? He doesn't feed from HUMANS, but any vampire could get away
with that if they really wanted to as long as there was a supply of blood.
, but he is still one of them,
regardless. >>
That doesn't mean anything in the argument of whether or not FK vampires can
have mortal type... stimulation with a human. There's no right or wrong
answer as it was never said clearly in the series, thus is up to an
individual fan to decide<g>
I personally think they can, at least immediately after feeding whether from
a mortal or a bottle. Of course there's always devices and possibly even
medications to help. ROTFL! Can you see Natalie writing out a prescription
for Viagra?
I'm sorry, I just don't see the point of part of this post as Nick DOES have
to have nuriousment, does not (at least not always) have a reflection, etc. I
also don't think FK vampires are truly dead, personally. Otherwise the
decaying stench would be pretty bad... Can't you just hear Schanke...
"Nick *sniff**sniff,* let me recommend a good deordorant soap. Oops! Was
that your nose that just fell off? I think it slipped under the seat! Here...
I'll get it..."
<g>
Libs
Libratsie@a.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:58:55 -0500
From: Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
They dont die if they dont feed.... Divia didint eat for how long? Hundreds
and hundreds of years...
And they just have a low temperature... Not no temperature. And they dont
feel temperature like we do, are not affected by it.
In their case they dont need a heartbeat. There would probably be some
science explanation dealing with that virus, also allowing say the flight
and the mind control. I think the god part myself is more psychological
then anything else...but then thats my view on it, not beleiving in god
myself.
He still needs to feed... He just eats cows blood. Thats his choice.
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Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
They have no temperture, no pulse, no heartbeat. They don't eat or drink to
survive. They feed to kill the hunger or die the worst death. They are
pale, can't face the sun, daylight, God, garlic and they can not reproduce
our way. They multiply by feeding and bringing them across. However,
Nick's case is unusual. He has a reflection, some feeling in his nerves,
doesn't need to feed like other vampires, but he is still one of them,
regardless. Stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:00:23 -0500
From: Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
HEs not really stuck. Hes still a lot more vamp then human... a LOT.
Thats what ticks him off so.
-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
Paffoman
Nick is an unusual vampire, he's stuck in between the two worlds, so he may
have or maintained things that even Lacroix can't change. Stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:17:01 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
true., but mortal sex is not possible, not from everything i have studied.
stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:58:54 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
There is no evidence in the Forever Knight universe that a vampire can do either
of these things. The rules differ depending on whether we are talking about
folklore -- and even then, different lores have different legends -- or
different books/television shows/movies.
>vampires can alter there looks and there hair can grow at will.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:07:30 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
--- Paffoman <paffoman@c.......> wrote:
> true., but mortal sex is not possible, not from everything i have
> studied.
That is the issue, though. On this list, we usually go with what is
canon for FK. The 'rules' defining what a vampire can and cannot do
is defined by whomever is creating the story. Since there are SO
many different versions of the vampire myth, the author or filmmaker,
or whatever decided which parts they are going to use.
Nothing in FK canon as ever said they cannot... er.... perform as a
mortal would during sex.
Actually didn't Jim Parriott even say at one time that they are fully
functional. The quote was something about "above and below the
belt".
Anyone remember more details. I think it was on the interview where
Ger said teh Ktk quote.
-Amanda
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:45:02 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
Cheryl wrote:
> vampires can alter there looks and there hair can grow at will. stay safe.
One thing you may not know is that on this list, we discuss the FK vamps, not
the vamps of folklore or other sources of vampire mythology. In the FK universe
(what has been depicted on the show itself, not in fanfic) vampires cannot do
these things.
From what we can gather from "canon" (what has actually been shown on the TV
show) FK vamps' hair grows like human hair---Nick has in the past maintained a
neat haircut and long hair, had mustaches and goatees, or has been cleanshaven--
-and their looks are pretty well set in stone at the time they were brought
across. (We'll ignore the apparent change in fashion sense, as evidenced by the
female detective who was brought across in Hunters <g>).
Nancy Kaminski
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www.nancykam.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:50:24 -0500
From: Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
You are not talking FK vamps in the least are you? Cause you seem to be
watching a different show then I did.
>Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
>true., but mortal sex is not possible, not from everything i have studied.
>stay safe.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:52:27 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
Cheryl wrote:
> They have no temperture, no pulse, no heartbeat.
They have a lower-than-human temp (evidence: Nat's statement in Fever); their
heart beats once every ten minutes (Nick's atatement when he brought across
Nat's brother)
> They don't eat or drink to
> survive.
They drink blood to survive. The hunger drives them to seek blood and can
overwhelm them (evidence: many statements by various vamps throughout the show)
> Nick's case is unusual. He has a reflection, some feeling in his nerves,
> doesn't need to feed like other vampires, but he is still one of them,
> regardless. Stay safe.
Nick's uniqueness is primarily in his desire to become mortal again, and his
maintaining or recovering his human conscience. The reflection issue is
problematic; only in one episode is it stated that he doesn't have one all the
time (and in fact, I understand that the actors added the ambiguity because
they knew that statement went against what had been established on the show up
to that moment). It would be rather noticeable to humans if vamps didn't
reflect in mirrors or other shiny surfaces, and it is unlikely Nick could
function in human society for so long if he didn't reflect in windows, car
mirrors, store fronts, etc.
Nancy Kaminski
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www.nancykam.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:17:20 EST
From: Spaine3@a.......
Subject: Re: Re:MoreVampirePhysiology-somewhatrisque..sortof?
Ahem, if a lurker can add to this discussion---
in today's ep, Avenging Angel, Nick is clearly seen reflected in the glass
window of the interrogation room. Clearly, shiny surfaces do reflect his
image.
Sue Paine
Spaine3@a.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:30:30 -0600
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
> Nancy Kaminski wrote:
> > You're not alone, as you've found out by now. I'm in agreement---I
> > find LK a very satisfying ending to this tale of a tragic hero
I was kinda upset the first time I saw it, but I guess I'm OK with it now
I would have hoped they'd come up with something better though
but the guys up stairs have a way of interfering
Time wounds all heals
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:56:45 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Avenging Angel
In Nick's flashback, if the concubine was already
dead, how could LC feed off her? Or was she just
unconscious? And assuming her heart was still beating
enough that he could feed, did he bring her over or
just drain her? We don't really see...
Mel
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:03:15 EST
From: Becky Hinson <bbhinson3@a.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
In a message dated 3/14/03 7:15:09 AM Central Standard Time,
paffoman@c....... writes:
> true., but mortal sex is not possible, not from everything i have studied.
It seems that the FK writers have used the bits and pieces of folklore that
suited them at the time. I'm not sure how much studying can help in this
instance because I don't know how consistant the writers were with using the
same limitations in each episode. Of course, I haven't been able to catch FK
on Sci-Fi and haven't had time to sit and watch my copies of the tapes in a
while, so I'm going by memories and what I'm reading on list.
I've found that FK is different from a lot of other vampire series and books
and folklore, and probably shouldn't be compared to any of them (because I
think it's so much better! LOL)
Going back into semi-lurkdom...
:)
~Cousin Becky
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:05:07 EST
From: Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: Human Factor stuff
I've seen some fic about Janette taking vengence. One was in the Forever not
on ftp pafe. Translated from french, The best revenge is revenge. There
are others but I cant remember titles. Judy Lieberman
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:09:44 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
>In Nick's flashback, if the concubine was already
>dead, how could LC feed off her?
The idea that vampires can't feed from a dead body is Anne Rice's contribution
to the lore of vampires. We've never had a reason to think it was impossible,
except for Nick's line about needing a beating heart in the third season when
he's telling Nat about feeding. The context can be taken to mean that they
simply need a heart beat to bring the blood to the neck or other bite site. So
we don't know for a fact that in the FK universe, the victim must be still alive
for the vampire to drink.
Come to think of it, the cow blood Nick gets from slaughter houses (we see him
transfering it from a barrel to bottles in a scene which was cut from the CBS
versions) comes from dead cows, so it sounds to me like the dead blood thing
doesn't apply in FK.
>Or was she just unconscious? And assuming her heart was still
>beating enough that he could feed, did he bring her over or
>just drain her? We don't really see...
My interpretation, based on the LC we've all come to love/hate :), is that he
didn't bring her over. We only know of three vampires he's made on purpose:
Janette, Nick, and Francesca. Jack the Ripper was an accident, possibly because
his blood poisoned LC before he could make sure he was dead.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:24:34 -0800
From: E McCann <salems.human@c.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
At 10:09 AM 3/14/2003, Lisa McDavid typed thusly:
>The idea that vampires can't feed from a dead body is Anne Rice's
>contribution to the lore of vampires. We've never had a reason to think
>it was impossible, except for Nick's line...
Which, in typical FK thoroughness, is also discarded as we see LC feeding
from the dead Chineese girl (also Avenging angel?) and lines about
battlefields and being a homicide detective being "Conveniant."
Maybe to be a successful vampire, you have to really suck.... <g> (duck, run)
-Eric
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:04:11 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: Re:_More_Vampire_Physiology-somewhat_risque..sort_of?
Sue Paine:
> in today's ep, Avenging Angel, Nick is clearly seen reflected in the
> glass window of the interrogation room. Clearly, shiny surfaces do
> reflect his image.
Also, at least in Human Factor, _LaCroix_ has a reflection. Actually, there
are several times in seasons two and three that give him reflections during
his monologues. So it's not just Nick.
--
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky luckyliz@c.......
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz
Who is Will? And why is everyone firing at him?
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