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FORKNI-L Digest - 21 Nov 2002 to 22 Nov 2002 (#2002-341)

Fri, 22 Nov 2002

There are 11 messages totalling 348 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Fk moment
  2. In the Pink (2)
  3. If only
  4. YKYBWwayTMFK
  5. FK Moment
  6. A few thoughts-Here's a couple more
  7. A bunch of questions
  8. FK Vamps and Pain (2)
  9. KtK project update..

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Date:    Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:19:18 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Fk moment

Yesterday, I was buying a sandwich and a salad at a Fine
foods store. When the cashier rung the purchase in came to
$12.28! And she said it that way too: twelve twenty eight. It
took a while for it to drop for me and I think she was a
little surprised when I asked her: Did you say 1228? And then
I had to explain to her that that number had a kind of
significance for me.

Yeah, I know it's not too original, but it did happen, and I
had to tell you.

Sunny


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Date:    Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:31:18 -0800
From:    Jarvinia <jarvinia@g.......>
Subject: In the Pink

Coming out of lurkdom for a moment before I change my mind and run off
again.  (And no, there's no mention of the Evil Pink Shirt...well, no more
mention of it, anyway...although since that wasn't in reality, it kind of
ties in....)  This is just something I noticed a while ago, and since I
haven't seen it mentioned before....

In Curiouser and Curiouser, during the part where everything/everyone is
different, I noticed that a lot of the lights (wall lights/lamps, the
refrigerator, etc.) were pink.  Also, in Human Factor during Nick's little
dream at the end with Nat, the lighting is fairly pink (or it seems that way
to me with the next scene being on the blue side).  Shifting to blue for a
moment, in Dying for Fame, some/most of the parts that were dreams/whatever
for Nick were blue...except the diner scene, where the blinds (again, in my
opinion) were a pink/purplish colour.

Okay, not sure on the blue (other than that blue might, possibly, be
somewhat associated with Nick), but the pink in C&C is mostly in places
where Natalie might be found or places connected to her -- the morgue, the
crime scene, her apartment, Nick's, even the refrigerator.  In HF, the scene
was just Nick and Nat, and in Dying for Fame, the one that wasn't blue
started out with Nat in it...and then there was Janette in pink.

I believe coloured lighting (specifically pink and blue, although I believe
some green, too) was used in other episodes (and I know a little on why that
was), but these stand out the most to me without going through and looking
specifically for it.  I guess, perhaps, it's because the parts mentioned
above were all in Nick's head.  What does everyone else think about this?

Jarvinia
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Date:    Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:51:25 -0500
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: If only

I was checking the TV guide for FK and read the following  description of
one of the episodes.

A murder investigation leads Nick to  a robot killer.

?????  Robot killer ???  This is Forever Knight not Star Trek.   Had I
missed something?

For a few seconds I deluded myself with the notion that somewhere, somehow
the station  had found   a new  episode never shown on network television.

Unfortunately no.  By twisting my mind around the various stories, I
figured out which episode they meant.

Still I do think   if someone wanted to they could make a story out of it.

Debbie


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Date:    Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:00:16 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: YKYBWwayTMFK

...when you're watching a TV documentary with an actor portraying Guy
Carleton (Canada's first governor-general) and you're irked that it's
not NB, 'cause he did the role so well for _Canada: A People's History_,
so he should be the only one to ever do it.

...when you keep getting spam with subjects like "Stay Young Forever"
and you can't keep from thinking about FK.

...when the local radio station has listeners phone in to say what
*they'd* do with a $500,000 U.S. lottery win, and your suggestion is to
put it into another season of your favorite TV show, that got cancelled
a few years ago. Or a TV movie, or just one more episode.

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:12:08 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: FK Moment

I have told the list before that there is a resident at the hospital
where I work that reminds me of LC in Last Knight.
Anyway... today I wound up parking right next to him in the parking
lot.  I had to wait until he got out and walked away because I got a
case of the giggles.  He drives a sand colored Altima or something
like that (I noticed this morning, but I forget now) and I just kept
thinking of LC being absolutely disgusted at having to drive such a
car.  (No offense to anyone who drives an altima, but it just isn't
an LC type of car)

Ok, it is time for bed. I am getting strange ideas.

-Amanda

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Date:    Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:05:11 -0500
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: In the Pink

At 02:31 PM 11/21/02 -0800, Jarvinia wrote:
>In Curiouser and Curiouser, <snip> a lot of the lights <snip> were pink.
Also, in Human Factor <snip> the lighting is fairly pink <snip> in Dying
for Fame, some/most <snip>for Nick were blue <snip>but the pink in C&C is
mostly
in places where Natalie might be found <snip>I believe coloured lighting
<snip>was used in other episodes <snip>I guess, perhaps, it's because the
parts mentioned above were all in Nick's head.  What does everyone else
think about this?

I never really thought about this in FK, or noticed it there before, but
you're probably right. I know that in some of the Raven scenes flashing
colored lighted were used as atmosphere for the club. (The one pix
of Miklos that I could find for his "home page" showed him positively
GREEN, until I edited it. Since our FK vamps aren't noticely green
(unlike ST's Mr. Spock), I have to assume it came from the Raven's
lighting.

I guess that the pink/blue for dream sequences or Nick's
memory has to be a cinemtographer's technique, to let us know that
it's not ordinary reality. Although, with all Nick's flashbacks, shouldn't
we have noticed this more? Anyway, pink for Nat and Jeanette-as-waitress,
and blue for Nick could just be the standard pink for girls and blue
for boys stereotype.

Anyone else with thoughts?

Arletta
http://www.charm.net/~g4akl/
http://www.charm.net/~g4akl/fkcharacters.html

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Date:    Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:19:50 -0800
From:    Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: A few thoughts-Here's a couple more

In Father Figure, Nick does that little 'ouch' thing
and Nat goes 'You felt pain!'...I took that to mean
that normally, they couldn't feel pain. Maybe I
misinterpreted.

Mel



> Melinda - why do you think FK vampires can't feel
> pain?  I can't recall any
> incident that says they don't feel pain, and plenty
> that say they do.  The
> first two that spring to mind is Nick's reaction to
> the various crosses,
> especially in FIHS, and when he held his finger out
> into the sunlight in the
> loft (I think it was the Erica episode?) it was
> clearly painful for him to
> do so.
>
>

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Date:    Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:42:17 -0800
From:    Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: A bunch of questions

This is a nitpick actually. In Forward Into The Past,
Nick tells Aristotle that he owes him for that 'Battle
of Hastings' thing, but that battle took place in
1066, probably 100 or 150 years before Nick was born.

In OTL, why do you think Nat and Nick didn't kiss in
the end scene in the police station. I can understand
them being reluctant to kiss in the middle of the
station...but was there more to it does anyone think?

In IWR, Nick brings Roger over, but doesn't someone
also have to consume the vamp's blood to be brought
over? And Nick didn't feed him....or did he?

I'll have to get the rest next time.

Mel

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Date:    Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:46:32 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: FK Vamps and Pain

This whole "vamps not feeling pain" thing seems to be a more tricky issue to
me than just a continuity issue.  If they can't feel pain, then I think they
couldn't feel much else and tactile pleasure would pretty much be lost.  If
this is so, then I would think it would indicate that, afterall, sexual
pleasure pretty much *would* be limited to the bite and ingestion of blood
(and its attendant impressions, ie "Francesca").

I think the loss or diminishment of the touch sensation would be huge, akin to
the effects of leprosy -- or am I taking this too far?  If the vamps can't
feel pain, how much of their sense of touch would be lost?  Could this
possibly affect their spacial sense and their fine motor skills (ie picking up
a marble, a needle, etc.)?

Of course we don't see them exhibiting the above difficulties, so how does
this help us to define what it means that their ability to feel pain is
different from mortals?

Portia, without an answer

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Date:    Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:27:25 -0500
From:    Stef H <slyspy1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vamps and Pain

>> If the vamps can't feel pain, how much of their sense of touch would be lost?

My two cents bring up the other senses.  We know that vampires primary senses,
smell, hearing and vision, are those senses that help them track and locate
prey.  Since all these senses are increased when a person is converted it would
be natural to assume that the other senses would increase.

Also I was reading a paranormal journal (no, I do not consider this a scientific
source) which suggested that psyonic abilities are present in all brains and
that the possibility of forms of telepathy are another sense, which made me
think of the whammy.  If this is taken as another sense then a vampireís ability
to use it (and a resisterís ability to stop it) could be linked to the
progression of the senses.

The only explanation I can think of for why vampires don't feel pain is that
because a vampire's heart beats so infrequently nerve damage could occur.  But
that's unlikely because this would lead to the diminishing of the hunting
senses, which is clearly not the case.

Do we have a doctor in the house?

STEF, who has no more answers than Portia

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Date:    Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:08:36 EST
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: KtK project update..

Letting you all know that the package containing all your Emails requesting
Fk on DVD and or VHS was mailed out yesterday afternoon. :)
HUGS!
susan
SField8067@a.......
KtK Fearless Leader

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